>/his/ literally made me antisemitic therefore anticommunist

Distributism.

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>>1872291
Comfy monarchy with fascist elements

/his/ shits on and complains about /pol/ all the time though

>>1872291
Oligarchy?

Orbanism. Go ahead. Make a guess or ask me what it is

>>1872291
Have opinions based on issues and facts surrounding issues instead of applying the same thought to every thing you have to deal with. - ISM

>>1872291
Black Nationalism.

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>>1872291
Incel anime jihadism

Cultural Nationalist Constitutional Monarchy

>>1872331
How can you prove /pol/ is wrong about OP's picture, though?

>>1872394
I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying I don't understand how /his/ made him antisemitic when all they complain about is /pol/.

That's like if he made a thread that was like "/a/ made me a Naruto fan", "/pol/ made me a black lives matter activist", or "/mu/ made me love dad rock"

>>1872394
>prove something wrong

>>1872389
>you'll never play weebshit with your jihad m8s
Fuck.

>>1872394
They aren't, but they dramatically overstate the importance of the 1918 communist revolution.

Germany was totally rekt by that point.

The Jews supported communism because they thought it would mean an end to pogroms, and then they got rekt by both Hitler and Stalin.

If anything /his/ taught me a lot of stuff I saw on /pol/ was wrong

>>1872291
suicide

>>1872473
/pol/ taught me mentally unstable NEETs often congregate into small cesspools like /pol/

>i dont want the jews to think for me, I'll have /his/ do it instead

You're what's known as a useful idiot

>>1872490
>small cesspols

>>1872416
>implying you can't do this

>>1872504
99% of people don't know what 4chan is, let alone /pol/,what would you call it in comparison to twitter, facebook, or even goodreads? Modest in size?

where is based turk to shit up this thread

>>1872408
>/pol/ made me a black lives matter activist
Not really a good comparison. It's not like everyone on /his/ is 100% "Jews did nothing wrong"

>>1872291
Just use sound thinking and follow the facts where they lead and don't worry about ideology.

I don't understand why some people think you need to choose an -ism and then post-hoc rationalize everything they've decided to believe.

Just think for yourself, dolt. After you know what your position is, then you can retroactively put a label on yourself if you so choose. That's not where you start.

>>1872315
Was about to call him a dumbass that ruined everything, but I forgot that he didn't expect Austria to start the war.

>>1872291
Suicide is what's best for you, friendo.

>>1872521

I think he's talking about how /pol/acks make threads about stuff they obviously got their info from mspaint macros and /his/ proceeds to gangbang them

>>1872291
Monarchism is the patricians choice

>>1872563
It's become sort of a community pastime for us

>>1872548
Isn't it what's best for all of us really

>>1872563
>implying ms paint macros aren't the source of all knowlege

>>1872580
If a poltard can write a thesis off of macro jpgs and not be laughed at I will personally donate my entire bank account of -.05 dollars to that NEET

>>1872563
>/his/ proceeds to gangbang them

I've been here since /his/ was created.

No one has managed to disprove Jewish Bolshevism in any way.

>>1872291
Anarchism

>>1872608

You kidding mate? There was this totally-not-/pol/-guise thread about the Jews being responsible for Germany losing WW1 and how Hitler was a perfect dindu, OP & co. got BTFO pretty bad. It's probably still on the catalog.

>>1872627
not giving that retard the (you), ignore the flagrantly desperate for attention teenager

>>1872291
>ideologies
*sniff*

>>1872627
why are anglos so fucking stupid lmao

>>1872627
The fact that Jews weren't responsible for Germany losing WW1 doesn't disprove mass Jewish collaboration with communism.

>>1872291
Tell me why the 1918 revolution was a bad thing.

>>1872291
You are a fucking melt for believing the very narrow, highly selective and reprehensibly revisionist /pol/ narrative of the German Revolution at face value; and you are a braindead sponge if you are seriously asking what pet ideology you should follow next.

Firstly the banner of your macro says "German Revolution of 1918-19" but the list of leaders appears to be an earlier or opportunistically edited list of the leaders of the Spartacist Uprising. That one had to be snipped from a separate article to the other shows that dishonesty was intended and not accidental.

Secondly, Karl Liebknechkt is unusually far down that list as he was co-leader of the Spartacists with Rosa Luxemburg and responsible for much of their published material. He was an was not Jewish.

Thirdly, the Spartacist uprising was only relatively small part of the revolution as a whole. It happened in the wake of the Kaiser abdicating and the Chancellor stepping down, and the opposition in your macro, Friedrich Ebert, was the leader of the Social Democrats party from which the Spartacists split. A revolution, the revolution, had already been successful in shifting the status quo.

Finally, one other vital aspect of the revolution ignored is the naval mutinies caused by the Imperial Navy leadership's plans for a final 'suicide cruise'. The mutinies and roving gangs of mutineers fomented the revolution, being the cause of much unrest and a trigger for broader uprisings.

For /pol/ the "German Revolution of 1918-19" begins in 1919, starting and ending with the Spartacists, dishonestly ignoring the actual revolution as a whole because they found a part of it with a few more Jews floating about.

>>1872291
Autism.

>>1872832
>Liebknechkt
Liebknecht*

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>sees a problem with society

"Hurr fucking durr its democracy and the joos"

>reads reasonable criticisms of forms of government that persecuted Jews

"Damn joos are buttfucking everything! Hurr goddam derr what edgy word can I attatch an -ism to know?"

>>1873004
this
>treat Jews like shit
>act surprised when they participate in a revolution to overthrow you

>>1872832
/thread
/thread
/thread

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>>1872291
>being a filthy reactionary
>being ruled by pathos

'No'

>>1872832
Pretty sure /pol/ doesn't even know what the German revolution is. I'm willing to bet they imagine it something like thousands of jews marching across the streets to destroy Germany before they are stopped by the heroic socdems.

>>1872291
>/his/ literally made me antisemitic
I'm skeptical

>>1872300
Just proto-market socialism.

>>1872832
Right.

/pol/ is quite literally buying into Nazi propaganda when they insist that Germany would have won the war if not for those tricky treasonous Jews.

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>>1872832
Always good to see knowledge getting dropped.

>>1873483
Next time you see some /pol/ack claiming that the German army would have won if it weren't for Teh Jooz, ask them how they would have been able to stop both the full brunt of the Allied 1919 Offensives AND the oncoming Italian push into Bavaria at the same time. Especially considering the Brits and French were able to push them back behind the Hindenburg Line without the Americans being present in force.

>>1872394
The fact they omit that there were several prominent non-Jewish Germans in leadership positions.

>>1873491
Y-you're forgetting that the Prussian army is invincible!

>>1873492
And that the Jews in the Spartacists were rebelling against other Jews in the Weimar government.

Somehow those don't count at that moment.

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>>1872832
/his/: BTFO-ing /pol/ and /leftypol/ since 2015.

>>1873482
You say that like it's a bad thing.

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>>1873494
>tfw Prussian militarism caused WWI

>>1873498
/his/ IS leftypol

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>>1873498
The weak should fear the strong.

>>1873510
Fuck off, leftist.

>>1873507
what did poor freddy have to do with that?

>>1873513
>come to another /joos/ thread
>get dank OC.

>>1873491
I'm flattered, but I misspelled Liebknecht.

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>>1873518
I got it the last time /pol/ got BTFO this hard.

>>1873519
A forgivable error.

>>1873510
Hardly. Overall, I'd say /his/ is pretty centrist. Yeah, we probably have more Marxists (if only because it's a major branch of Hegelianism and the Marxist theory of history is still fairly prominent), but we also have more monarchists, traditionalists, and conservatives kicking around too than most other boards. This is setting aside the large portions of the board that are various forms of apolitical (just here to discuss history, just here to discuss philosophy, just here to discuss religion, etc.).

The fact that there's a large number of people here that disagree with you is not indicative of there being a dominant ideology. Your ideals aren't as self-evident or common-sense as I'm sure you feel they are.

>>1873522
>Evangelion OST
My sides.

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>>1873519
But if it makes you feel better, have a slightly updated cap.

>all this JIDF
>the entire thread reeks

wew
have hope lads
trump will fix all of you good

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>>1873523
This board's mere existence boosts 4chan's average IQ by about 40 points. I have had more genuine and pleasurable intellectual intercourse here in the past three days than I've had on /k/ for the past month.

/k/'s still the place to go for weapons-related stuff though. If you have flame-retardant underwear and a kinda-sorta sick sense of humor.

>>1873534
>if you aren't a literal Nazi you're being paid by the Israeli government

>>1873534
Surrendering already? Don't feel like dumping your folder again?

>>1873535
Your name was better shorter.

Also our idiots are some of the most goddawfully stupid motherfuckers you'll ever meet.

>>1873540
i have already won
>>1873538
nice false dilemma you jingoist

>>1873535
The IQ would've been 190 if you were to stop posting.

>>1872291

Demand ethno-nationalism first, then accept the will of your nation.

>>1872375
>>1872536

*gives you a wry smile and a knowing look, with one sharp tip of the trilby*

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>>1872457
Pogroms in Russia started because the Jews of Istanbul defiled the corpse of the Constantinople Patriarch, Gregory V, by dragging it through the streets.

A terrorist commie group led by Mark Andreyevich Natanson (Jewish), with twice the Jewish membership for their population size, later assassinated Tsar Alexander II, causing a second pogrom.

So these commie Jews were trying to overthrow the German government and install communism like they did in Russia and Hungary... to end pogroms which started because commie Jews were trying to overthrow the Russian government.

With that said, the reprisals against the entire Jewish population were wrong, because religious Jews weren't the ones behind these attacks. Only the commies deserved what they got.

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>>1873573

Look, you can cherry-pick a thousand coincidences like that.

But at the end of the day they're just that--- coincidences.

>>1873573
>>>/pol/

Everyone else don't waste time on this worthless trash.

>>1873584
Can you refute anything I said, or are you just going to yell buzzwords?

>>1872336
literally what most western countries especially USA have now

>>1873585

You're just displaying confirmation bias. Sure, there's plenty of cases of Jews doing not so good things. But honestly who hasn't? I think it says more about you than it does about the Jews that you focus on them so much.

>>1873573
Anti-semitism in Europe is older than Christianity, so mistreatment of Jews didn't just up and start with some business involving a dead Patriarch. Everything else can largely be attributed to the fact they've generally been treated like shit in Europe. The pograms did not start because of trying to overthrow the government, even by your own admission. You're selectively picking and interpreting the information to suit your narrative.

>>1872291
Gaullism and Dirigism is the only way.

Stirnerian egoism.

>>1873590
This is the usual Christian morality-based leftist response when you point out any evil done by a particular group.

But no, we're not talking about whether Jews are human or not. Of course they are. We're talking about why the pogroms in Russia started, and whether atheist Jews were disproportionately responsible for the communist revolutions across Europe.

>>1873591
The pogroms started because of Jews dragging Gregory V's corpse across the streets of Istanbul and then throwing him in a river, but they never became serious - never even reaching a hundred dead - until the murder of Alexander II.

>>1873608
Dude, there are more ways for Jews to be treated like shit than pograms, and you fucking know it. They got treated by European powers like a fucking piggy-bank to smash any time a king was broke and needed some money.

>>1873618
How did they (((earn))) that money?

>>1873620
Through money-lending, which is a legitimate trade and as vital to economies then as it is now.

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>>1873626
In other words usury.

>>1873620
They were the only group who could lend money. Some others were merchants, hence the memes.

>>1873618
So that argument about the German Jews trying to install a communist dictatorship in Germany because of the pogroms is dead in the water. Now it's because of the medieval persecutions. Good to hear.

For further reading, look into the ethnicity of Leon Trotsky (Jewish), the perpetrator of the Holodomor Lazar Kaganovich (Jewish), the man behind the overthrow of the Hungarian government, Belá Kun (Jewish) and the man who murdered the Tsar's family Yakov Sverdlov (Jewish) and the man who invented Marxism, Karl Marx (Jewish). You can put this on top of the massive over-representation in the 1918 revolution.

Do you understand why people say the Communist revolution was perpetrated by atheist Jews now? It's been project of atheist Jews who've become disillusioned with their old faith as much as Islam has been the project of Arabs.

>>1873630
>dude let me take a huge chunk of your finances and return it to you later.

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>>1873636
Why were they the only group who could lend money?

>>1873630
Yeah, damn those people for taking aversion to a religion forced upon them on threat of death for over a thousand years

>>1873640
Usury laws

>>1873640
because people give services to others to profit off it?

>>1873630
Yes, and? There's a reason that places which ban usury flounder economically.

What is it with you people? It's like you think Jews should be happy you treat them like shit. "Oh hey, let's bar Jews from most forms of trade and labour" "WHAT THOSE JEWS ARE ENGAGING IN MONEY-LENDING? LET'S ROB THEM AND EXILE THEM!" "WHAT THOSE JEWS ARE REVOLTING BECAUSE WE ROBBED THEM AND EXILED THEM!?" "LET'S RIOT IN THE GHETTOS THEY'RE FORCED TO LIVE IN AND ROB THEM SOME MORE!" "WHAT THOSE JEWS ARE JOINING RADICAL MOVEMENTS THAT SEEK TO OVERTURN A SOCIETY THAT TREATS THEM LIKE SHIT?! LET'S TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT SOME MORE!"

/pol/ BTFO

>>1873650
Terrible post. The guy's resorted to strawmanning and caps spam.

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>>1873644
If it's convert or die, then how come there thriving Jewish communities in the West?

I believe you have mistaken Christianity for Islam.

>>1873638
>So that argument about the German Jews trying to install a communist dictatorship in Germany because of the pogroms is dead in the water. Now it's because of the medieval persecutions. Good to hear.

No. Not in the slightest. The pogroms started in response to an incident that was in response to medieval persecutions. You're acting like there isn't centuries of history to this deal.


>Do you understand why people say the Communist revolution was perpetrated by atheist Jews now?

Because they're neo-nazi fuckfaces.

>>1873640
Because Christianity included a very stupid rule against it.

>>1873638
The Sparticists wanted to create a communist society because they wanted communism. There wasn't any motivation of score-settling.

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>>1873647
Why were there usury laws?

>>1873648
But how come only Jews were money lenders?

>>1873649
Calm down neighbor.

>>1873653
>thriving

>>1873660
Because the jews weren't bound by christian rules about banning usury and thus were able to lend their money for more money later on and became moneylenders?

oh goodie looks like the bi hourly jew thread is back

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>>1873663
Ever been to Manhattan?

>>1873638
Why do rightists always pin the Ukrainian famine on Kaganovich alone?

Stalin decided he wanted to move grain from the newly-collectivized farms to urban industrial centers, even if that meant people would starve. The entire Politburo oversaw this "top-down revolution", and the thousands of cadres carried the policy through.

>>1873573
>>A terrorist commie group led by Mark Andreyevich Natanson (Jewish), with twice the Jewish membership for their population size, later assassinated Tsar Alexander II, causing a second pogrom.
More on this?

>>1873674
ever been to germany?

>>1873660
>Calm down neighbor.

No. Fuck you. This isn't a small thing. The history of anti-semitism in Europe isn't something that just out of the blue sprung up in the early 20th, 19th, or even 18th century. It's something that's quite literally older than Christianity itself (which itself was a major force in its perpetuation). You're trying to isolate responses to a very deeply entrenched historical phenomenon in some twisted attempt to claim that an entire people have been part of some sort of conspiracy to overthrow society... well as far as I can tell you think they do it for shits and kicks, actually.

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>>1873657
>>1873670
So you agree that Jews view Christianity as interfering with their bottom line?

>>1873660
>Why were there usury laws?

Because Christianity. Where are you going with this? The fact the guys who wrote the Bible couldn't into economics is irrelevant.

>>1873677
>Natanson was not directly involved in any terrorist act, but, in 1877 he was arrested and banished to Siberia until 1889.
>On 13 March [O.S. 1 March] 1881, Alexander fell victim to an assassination plot in Saint Petersburg.
...

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>>1873679
Ja.

>>1873680
Do you believe in prophecy?

>>1873683
No. Christianity didn't interfere with their bottom line in the slightest. If anything it made the position of Jewish money lenders more viable by ensuring there wasn't competition for their services.

>>1873686
>Do you believe in prophecy?

No, I'm not an idiot.

>>1873683
>interfering
christianity allowed the jews to ply their moneylending without competition.

>>1873653
Medieval Islam was generally more tolerant than medieval Christianity. It's a bloodthirsty and far-right religion, but still insists that nobody who can pay the jiyza tax should be forcibly converted. Christianity includes no formal rules about conversion, but in many parts of Europe (particularly Iberia), Jews were asked to convert, die, or sometimes leave, without ant option of paying protection money like the Jiyza.

Despite being much less aggressive in ideology, Christians in Spain, France, and Germany massacred mass amounts of Jews in the middle ages. Look at the destruction of the Rhineland Jewry during the First Crusade and the forced conversion or exile of Spanish and Portuguese Jews during the Reconquista.

In addition, the Koran includes special protections for Jewish and Christian infidels.

>>1873655
Very weak ad hominem. You've gone from trying to refute the central point - that people with substantial Jewish ancestry like Lenin, or actual Jews like Trotsky and its ideological founder Marx, were central to the communist revolution, by saying it was a coincidence, and now you're complaining about "neo-nazi fuckfaces".

But this is typical of debates with leftists too. When the debate's clearly been lost, every single time, it's "neo-nazi!", "fuckface!", "shitlord" or "racist!".
>>1873675
Stalin was the man behind it, but Kaganovich implemented it with Molotov. It's the same as saying Eichmann "carried out" the Holocaust.

>>1873698
Why don't you respond to this?
>>1873685
>>1873677

>>1873698
It's completely unsurprising that Jews would be attracted to communism. It's both an ideology of liberation and an alternative to the traditionally repressive ancien regime.

>>1873698
>You've gone from trying to refute the central point - that people with substantial Jewish ancestry like Lenin, or actual Jews like Trotsky and its ideological founder Marx, were central to the communist revolution, by saying it was a coincidence, and now you're complaining about "neo-nazi fuckfaces".

There's nothing to refute you bloody moron. They were Jewish. We've already explained why Jews tended to take part in radical movements. You're trying to isolate these facts and claim that Jews just up and decided "you know what? FUCK EUROPE."

Also you are a neo-nazi fuckface, wear the shoe when it fits. Probably a shitlord and a racist too.

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>>1873687
Are you this poster >>1873644?

If you were I would wonder which is it?

Is Christianity is oppressive to Jews or it is profitable for Jews?

>>1873689
Well if you did this is a good one:

>וְהָיִיתָ לְשַׁמָּה, לְמָשָׁל וְלִשְׁנִינָה--בְּכֹל, הָעַמִּים, אֲשֶׁר-יְנַהֶגְךָ יְהוָה, שָׁמָּה.

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>>1873700
Basically the same thing as Mandela being sent to prison for terrorist activities in SA.
>>1873703
Oh, sure, i'd also say it's descended from Jewish theological thought about the Messianic age. It's just extending it to gentiles and trying to accomplish it via human means.
>>1873705
>you are a neo-nazi fuckface... a shitlord and a racist too.
Pic related.

>>1872291
There is no 'Third Way' OP. Aryan capitalism is still capitalism.

>>1873707
>Is Christianity is oppressive to Jews or it is profitable for Jews?

Both at different time periods.

Are you actually physically incapable of looking at history with any sense of nuance.

>that hebrew

Don't give a shit.

>>1873710
>Pic related.
>ignores first half of statement
>responds to bantz

Typical /pol/io.

>>1873705
Also, very pleased to see you've gone from "I-It's all a coincidence!" to, "Sure, they /were/ involved in trying to overthrow Russia and take power for themselves, but it was because of historical grievances!"
Now, unlike your first position, you're close to the truth.

>>1873714
>Both at different time periods.

Hell, both at the same period often. It being profitable for a select number of Jews doesn't mean it isn't also oppressive and shitty for others. Just because some guys in the ghetto were quite wealthy didn't mean the others weren't also poor as shit.

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>>1873714
I just notice a lot of coincidences is all.

>>1873710
>Basically the same thing as Mandela being sent to prison for terrorist activities in SA.
How do you figure that? In 1881 he's in Siberia and he ordered the goons to assassinate the Tsar? Go on.

>>1873721
Are you new to anonymous image boards? That wasn't me. I've never denied Jews had a somewhat higher presence in radical movements. I also never claimed it was due to historical grievances. It's not like they were responding to a point by point list of things that pissed them off. They were a marginalized group, and marginalized groups tend to radicalize more readily.

>>1873330
Well, the other option is to leave the land. If I think I would be treated badly.

Too bad that Jews are treated badly everywhere in the world. That's why they needed their own land. So they can finally circle jerk with their own kind.

>>1873731
What do you think he was doing during his various periods of exile, anon?

During a later period of exile, "Natanson remained an active revolutionary even in Siberian exile, maintaining the party treasury and coordinating various organisational tasks."

>>1873492
Or Jews in Hitler's army.

>>1873748
It refers to the People's Rights Party, not the Narodnaya Volya. The PRP was founded in 1893, which Natanson coordinated from his second exile in Siberia.
https://books.google.co.id/books?id=xCAp1vedU70C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=natanson&f=false

Come on, /pol/. At least get your facts, right.

>>1873768
>At least get your facts, right.
Oh, shit. I should get my comma, right, too.

>>1873768
>How do you figure [he coordinated an attack from exile]? In 1881 he's in Siberia and he ordered the goons to assassinate the Tsar?
>It's possible. Here's a point where he coordinated an entire political party from that same state of exile.
>Not the same party, though.

>>1873630
>In other words usury.
When Christians started to find workarounds and unshackled themselves from butthurt over lending with interest was when the trading empires really got going. For the biggest impact, though much later, look at the lead the establishment of the central bank gave England in financing her navy.

>>1872291

Suicidism. It's the ideology where you suck start a shotgun or drink bleech for then good of mankind, for allowing a meme basket weaving forums meme """""infographics""""" to influence you in any way.

>>1873778
Stop kidding yourself.

>>1872375
You came to the wrong neighborhood, motherfucker.

>>1873835
Not an argument.

>>1872373
Hi there!You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>1873683

>giving you a religiously and societally enforced monopoly over an entire industry is interfering with the bottom line

This is what illiterate stormfaggots actually beli7

>>1872291
/his/ made me anti-german.

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>>1873838
You said that he planned the attack, and it's possible that he planned so in exile, in which you pointed out the quote. Turns out it's pointing at different party, not the one who assassinated the Tsar, because it's founded 1893, after Tsar Alexander II was assassinated (1881). So, your accusation that tries to disprove my suspicion of the feasibility was unfounded as it's based on a quote taken out of its own paragraph.

Not to mention the biggest counter-proof is that there were actually the mastermind behind it, and it wasn't him. I'm still not convinced that unless you can bring up a source saying that, before exile when he was still in Narodnaya Volya (People's Will), he was the one who planned so. The supporter of terrorist action of the Narodnaya Volya involed around the collective called Pervomartovtsy, who carried out the execution sentence from the 'Executive Committee'. This Executive Committee was given full autonomy and one-third of the funds during the Land and Liberty, and it caused the party to split.

His involvement is this: Either Natanson joined People's Will but got caught before (and the possibility of him involved with the assassination from exile, as you claimed so), or he never had anything to do with PW after LL splitted. It's because the Society of LL disagreed with the Executive Committee. The first statement was from Wikipedia and there is no citation to it.

http://ditext.com/yarmolinsky/yarframe.html
>In 1876 a group of 'Jewish socialist-revolutionaries' issued an appeal to Jewish intellectuals, in Russian and Hebrew, urging them to turn their attention to their own people. The call fell on deaf ears. By and large, the intellectuals subscribed to the then current notion that their own people were a parasitic body of shopkeepers and money-lenders who could not be expected to play any part in building the socialist future. They overlooked the fact that a considerable proportion of the group belonged to the working class. It was true, however, that the poverty-stricken Jewish masses, living their traditional life in ghetto seclusion, were even less accessible to ideas of political and social insurgency than were their Gentile neighbours, while the moneyed people -- a small group of nouveau-riche merchants, bankers and railroad magnates -- were completely loyal to the existing order.
Here's another interesting take. It turns out that it's possible to be beyond identity politics, as both ethnic Russians and Jews internally bickered at each of their own ethnic from ideological standpoint.

Avrahm Yarmolinsky, Road to Revolution: A Century of Russian Radicalism, 1956.

(Same source)
>The Ishutin group had produced Karakozov, and Nechayev, too, had played with the idea of killing the Emperor. In the summer of 1878 Solomon Wittenberg, a former engineering student who was the son of a poor Jewish artisan, procured a quantity of pyroxilin. With the aid of a comrade who was a sailor, he was planning to lay a mine in the Odessa harbour where the Czar was expected to land. Arrested, he was sentenced to death. He turned down a scheme for his escape from prison because it involved danger for some of the guards. It is reported that he asked his mother if he should embrace Orthodox Christianity in the hope of having his life spared, and that she shook her head and said quietly: 'Die as the Jew that you are,' whereupon he made a deep bow to her. In his last testament he wrote: 'Of course, I do not want to die, and to say that I die willingly would be a lie on my part, but this should not cast a shadow on my faith and the strength of my convictions. Consider that the highest example of loving kindness and self-sacrifice was undoubtedly the Saviour, and yet even He prayed: "Let this cup pass from me!" . . . Nevertheless, in the same spirit I say to myself: "If it cannot be otherwise, if, in order for Socialism to triumph, it is necessary that my blood be shed, if the transition from the present order to a better one is impossible without stepping over our corpses, then let our blood be shed, in redemption, for the good of humanity. And that our blood will serve as a fertilizer of the soil upon which the seed of Socialism will sprout, that socialism will triumph, and soon -- this is my faith!" ' And he concluded with a private word to a friend begging that all thought of vengeance be laid aside.
I'd side with da joos at the time, if you ask me. Not now, though.

>>1872291
Third International Theory

>>1873945
>(((Avrahm Yarmolinsky)))

Interesting to come back and see that my post on the revolution and spartacist uprising has been ignored by the /pol/tards. They are as slimy and deceptive as their Jewish caricatures.

>>1874185
oops, didn't quote
>>1872832

>>1873721
Jews have absolutely been overrepresented in socialist movements because socialist movements promise a direct end to Jewish oppression.

>>1872832
>not ALL of them were Jews!
>stop misplacing people, put them higher up, list lives matter!
>it doesn't matter that they tried to stage a revolution, they were merely jumping on a ship that already sailed and this discredits how overwhelmingly Jewish they were (relative to their proportional population) and their intent
I know, I hate bigoted racist white males, too.

>>1874376
>is a bigoted racist
>hates being called out as such

>>1874382
>its only bad to be a "bigoted racist" of your white
This is leftypol

>>1874382
>unironically using racist as an insult instead of a compliment
into the oven. Kike apology runs rampant on this board, I wonder why...
For a bunch of """historians""", isn't it funny how you consistently deny how overwhelmingly Jewish Bolshevism truly is?

>>1874376
Why is staging a revolution a bad thing?

Especially when Liebknecht and Luxemburg were attempting to steer an existing uprising to a productive course?

>>1874387
Why are you arguing with people who don't exist and arguments that nobody in this thread has made?

>>1874403
> Why is staging a revolution a bad thing?
strawman, not all revolutions are made equal, I never claimed the opposite.

>Especially when Liebknecht and Luxemburg were attempting to steer an existing uprising to a productive course?
are you mad? to a productive course? In what sense? How is the application of Marxism productive? Examine Cultural Marxism in practice in Western nations today, it breeds limp-wristed nu-male sissies like yourself who want to "free the proletariat" or whatever the fuck (I assume this from your defense of (((Communist))) revolutionaries).
I was saying how the original argument was basically "not all of them were Jews, you bigot, and it wasn't really their fault, people were already upset so it technically wasn't treason checkmate bigots".

>>1874390
Nobody would ever deny that many early communists in Russia and Germany were Jewish. You act like Jewish participation is some big "gotcha" point, but it proves absolutely nothing.

The burden is on you to explain why this participation is a bad thing and why the actions of Jewish revolutionaries are representative of all Jews.

>>1874412
>are you mad? to a productive course? In what sense? How is the application of Marxism productive? Examine Cultural Marxism in practice in Western nations today, it breeds limp-wristed nu-male sissies like yourself who want to "free the proletariat" or whatever the fuck (I assume this from your defense of (((Communist))) revolutionaries).
Step away from the computer and calm down. Then make a reply that isn't 100% /pol/ memes and buzzwords.

>>1872291
Pragmatism/radical centrism

>>1872514
It's the biggest board here, not counting /b/.

>>1872563
>/his/
>Being right about anything

>>1874424
and?

>>1874416
>You act like Jewish participation is some big "gotcha" point, but it proves absolutely nothing.
Take Trump's critique of (((international banking))), SPLC shit their pants and ADL started firing "anti-Semite" bullets. It is a gotcha, maybe you already know.
>The burden is on you to explain why this participation is a bad thing and why the actions of Jewish revolutionaries are representative of all Jews.
Communism is cancer, everywhere it has been applied, it has failed. It is as if I tell you I can fly if I try hard enough, never mind that nobody has ever succeeded, we can do it because we are pigs, not farmers.
It is not that Jews that are Communist, but Communists that are Jews. Marx himself was Jewish, Communism is a Jewish invention coined and implemented by Jews.
Besides your argument literally being "NotAllJews", all I can say to that is for one to examine the benefits and risks of having Jews, considering the nature of the Jew. Of course there are many normal Jews, but think to yourself: you can come to a black man and say "these BLM are very violent, don't you think?" and some will agree with you. You cannot go to a Jew and say "these anti-Semitic claims are kind of unfounded, don't you think?" Once you are an anti-Semite, you are that way for life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhI8YPmTAw8

>>1874418
Excellent argument. Buzzword is anything you don't like. It has a definition, it has meaning. It is a word you simply dislike. It has relevance to the sentence and my theme I am trying to convey.
It is you who needs to form an argument first.

>>1874451
To add, examine what nations the Jew has been expelled from throughout history, or what famous men have claimed of the Jew, even Jesus Christ himself. Surely, not all of these historical figures of nations were "evil bigoted anti-Semites just like my grandpa"? Perhaps there is something else at play. After all, virtually all of modern mass media is controlled by Jews today. Do you sincerely trust what they have to say, to the point of forming opinion based off of their teachings?
I expect nothing less from modern Cultural Marxists, after all.

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National Catholicism

>>1873945
Impossible, national socialists, socialists, anarchists, fascists, neoconservatives, social democrats and communists all subscribe to identitiy politics nowadays.

>>1874469
finally, I would ask of you to describe to me the obligation dependent upon a white nation to accept Jews into their homes. What obligation do they have? Without resorting to emotional drivel, answer me why they should open up their borders and accept these "normal Jews"?

>>1874412
The """""cultural Marxism""""" you talk about is just milquetoast liberal reformism by progressive activists too brainwashed to admit that capitalism, and not the cruelty of individual bigots, is the root of the problems they try fight.

>>1874412
Luxemburg was objectively right.

She and Liebknecht wanted to establish a socialist democracy without the corruption and inequality of the Weimar Republic or the autocracy of the Soviet Union.

Every action Luxemburg took was for the good of the people of Germany.

>>1874503
What the fuck are you rambling about? Nobody has ever said you must let a Jewish guy stay with you or support a hypothetical migration of Jewish refugees.

>>1874511
You mean (((Soviet subversion)))?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
It has succeeded, look in the mirror.

>>1874518
I thought objectivity was a spook?
Describe how Communism is objectively correct, or whatever the hell (((Luxembourg))) had in mind.
>Every action Luxemburg took was for the good of the people of Germany.
Oy vey, goy, don't you know we just want to help you!
None of the Jews were German, but by your own admission, you'd call Hassan al-Rahimi a German if he was born in Berlin, just as you divert from the Jewishness of the Marxist revolutionaries and call them "benevolent revolutionaries for the German people".

>>1874523
When you are saying #NotAllJews, it is assumed that they are within your borders. Yes, immigration must be considered when discussing the Jewish question.
Still not an answer. What obligation do, say, the Brits have to let in Jews (if you say not all Jews are bad Jews and ignore the blatant hasbara prevalent in most history books/modern media).

>>1874524
I wish there really was a communist conspiracy running the world.

The New Left (which is identical to so-called cultural Marxism) was quite literally the result of capitalist subversion to destroy left wing movements by removing their radical tendencies. Google COINTELPRO.

Modern "leftists" talk about nonbinary gender bullshit instead of class struggle because the American government has stamped out essentially all socialist organization in America.

Groups like BLM that sell t-shirts and demand incremental reforms are just what the establishment wants. They're one of so many sheepdog organizations that exists to steer potentially conscious people away from radicalism.

>>1874524
The leader of the Spartacist revolt was an ethnic German, as were the majority of the participants on the ground.

Luxemburg and Liebknecht wanted to create a democratic society where the people would be free from the oppression and tyranny of both capitalism and Leninist dictatorship. If you don't think the people of Germany deserved to be free of need and coercion, you're an awful person and expressly against the interests of the Germans you likely beliefs to defend.

>>1874538
Who says they have an obligation? Migration isn't relevant to this conversation whatsoever.

Personally, I'm against all immigrant acceptance not voted-for by the populace.

>>1874545
>I wish there really was a communist conspiracy running the world.
You cannot be a historian and disavow Soviet culture warfare. Using "conspiracy" to describe different opinions is childish.

>The New Left (which is identical to so-called cultural Marxism) was quite literally the result of capitalist subversion to destroy left wing movements by removing their radical tendencies. Google COINTELPRO.

>Modern "leftists" talk about nonbinary gender bullshit instead of class struggle because the American government has stamped out essentially all socialist organization in America.

>Groups like BLM that sell t-shirts and demand incremental reforms are just what the establishment wants. They're one of so many sheepdog organizations that exists to steer potentially conscious people away from radicalism.

Capitalist subversion? Da, comrade!
Cultural Marxists drone on about blm and gender because of cultural relativism, haves vs have nots (i.e. white males vs black females), and pure equality.
Socialist organizations have been stamped out? Which is why redistribution of wealth is being preached at every corner by Marxist youth in indoctrination ca- I mean universities.
I don't see how BLM selling shirts is relevant to our discussion of Jewish connection to Soviet culture war on the world/globalism. They are trying to make a quick buck.
There will be no global Communist utopia, sorry to break it to you. I don't support capitalism either, so not sure where this is going to go. I like the free market and private property stuff, but not the social structure (or lack thereof) in capitalist societies.

>>1874557
>The leader of the Spartacist revolt was an ethnic German, as were the majority of the participants on the ground.
>not ALL of them were Jews! Ignore the ones that were, that's just bigoted conspiracy, even though they were drastically overrepresented for their population

>Luxemburg and Liebknecht wanted to create a democratic society where the people would be free from the oppression and tyranny of both capitalism and Leninist dictatorship. If you don't think the people of Germany deserved to be free of need and coercion, you're an awful person and expressly against the interests of the Germans you likely beliefs to defend.
Revolution when, comrade?
Pigs for farmers, they were agents of Marxist theory. Free of need and coercion? Just pay your taxes you idiot. Those same Jewish bankers brought about most of the woes you are describing. The 1% is 50% Jewish.
I am not defending Germans, I am pointing out the March of Tyranny.

>>1874563
Forgive me for being skeptical of the USSR cresting movements that are expressly anti communist. Hell, the old attack dogs of the New Left were some of the most violent critics of Bernie Sanders, and he isn't even a real socialist.

If you would argue that authentic socialist groups like the Black Panthers and the Weathermen were funded by Russia, you might be onto something. But I'll still demand evidence not in the form of YouTube videos.

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>>1872291
>>/his/ literally made me antisemitic therefore anticommunist and anticapitalist
>can't even make his own argument and get persuaded by users of Vietnamese shadow puppet board

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>>1872291
This picture is objectively wrong. Ebert was a counter revolutionary only during the late revolution. He himself was put into place BY the revolution. Also the list deliberately ignore the roles of non-jewish leaders, the most important one being Karl Liebknecht. Even by wiki standards it's shit and I doubt it was ever present on the site in this form. It's a /pol/macro and the epitome of what is wrong with this board.
>>1872832
100% accurate

>>1874563
Just curious. How do you feel about a society where there's still a private economy but workers co-own their businesses. There's also no finance industry, no and no large state bureaucracy.

>>1874563
Privilege theory is inherently liberal and thus incompatible with Marxism.

http://isj.org.uk/whats-wrong-with-privilege-theory/

There's nothing revolutionary about the oppression olympics.

>>1874578
Sanders, the guy who berates le one percent just like his butt buddy Moore, isn't a socialist? He's Jewish himself, and wants to go after the 1%, which is majority Jewish, to get them to pay for college. Sounds socialist to me.
>But I'll still demand evidence not in the form of YouTube videos.
Yuri is ex-KGB. Do you mean to say that there was no war to win the hearts and minds of the American people, or the European people? To destroy nationalism, white pride in heritage/culture, traditional values, the family unit, race relations? So the Frankfurt school doesn't exist? It was kind of like an incredibly Jewish doctor publishing a book on the human body and revealing that certain foods we have been eating have been slowly poisoning us, only to have hardcore environmentalists start using the book and its teachings as an instruction manual to slowly poison the human race. Chop down forests, destroy the "racist" plants, etc.
Russia moved on from their cancer, now the States has to deal with it.

>>1874584
Define co-own. Alongside whom? Free market is great, but the materialist degeneracy it breeds destroys social structure.

>>1874604
>Privilege theory is inherently liberal and thus incompatible with Marxism.
>Central to Marxist theory is an explanation of social change in terms of economic factors, according to which the means of production provide the economic base, which influences or determines the political and ideological superstructure. Marx and Engels predicted the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat and the eventual attainment of a classless communist society.
>liberalism is anti-Marxism
It is pro-equality, using the government to achieve this future. Marx's Communist utopia is the same as the government fining people for not using the appropriate pronouns (you must share your wealth, comrade, it's the only way to not be bigoted).

>>1874582
Modern history books deliberately downplay Jewish attachment to Communism.

>>1874624
Socialism means worker control of industry.

Sanders never asked for socialism.

>>1874624
Co-ownership means workers share a company and split the profits.

>>1874582
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5EqchQ448

the point of the image is to highlight the Jewish Communist relationship. You will only hear of the ethnic Germans, never the Jews.
Again, the only counter is #NotAllJews, and look at the non-Jews, this negates the overwhelming proportional Jewish representation in the revolution!

>>1874632
Semantics. I'm not referencing workers going and starting communes, organizing factories all by themselves. The pooling of resources to be shared by this hypothetical commune and the processes undertaken after this allocation of goods is what I am referencing. That is to say, taxing the rich and using their cash for the good of the commune (ex. free healthcare, free education. Not really free, but you get the point).
Sanders defends socialism himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVazKY3Qpw
Workers unite when?

>>1874636
How is there a private economy is your definition of co-own is just worker-controlled markets (or, workers sharing companies)? Splitting profits? What if I earned more? Nah, I don't like the sound of that, unions suck shit. They have been made irrelevant, kids don't work in coal mines any more.

>>1874624
>Modern history books deliberately downplay Jewish attachment to Communism.
>I can tell cause I saw a /pol/macro claiming so
Please point out which historians deliberately downplayed the rolees of Jews in the German Revolution. Should be easy for you since you obviously have extensive knowledge of historiography.
>>1874654
I won't discuss history based on Youtube videos. Sorry.

>>1874776
Sanders proving he supports bread lines, or the deliberate Jewish influences in Wikipedia? For somebody who seems so open to reason, you sure to shoot down everything you disagree with. How tolerant!
I don't have every historian who has written on this topic memorized. But from my experience, and from the common theme evident in public spheres/social spheres, any critique of the Jew is anti-Semitic. The Overton window exists, regardless of your belief in it. You cannot discuss these ideas in the mainsphere because they are not tolerated, just as historians cannot point out how Jewish the Communists really were. Never in my time reading up on the October Revolution was it pointed out that Trotsky was Jewish. Not in my highschool career, or that of my friends, and not in my college career. There is a purpose and that is to enforce the hasbara.
I have never claimed to be a history buff or to have memorized a bunch of historians so I can gloat about it online, just that the Jewish control of media has swayed public opinion for the past few decades.
But since I am being bigoted, that is irrelevant. I also couldn't name that one historian, so that makes the overwhelming Jewish contribution to Communist movements (speaking in terms of their world population) just some racist conspiracy theory that only bigots believe in, and we wouldn't want to be bigots, right? That way, we don't be social brownie points with flabby Arbie's red-haired whores! Oh, woe is me, to not be a nu-male.

>>1874376
>y-yeah well you're just a meanie anti-white essjaydubya

You got fucking #rekt, kid.

>>1874831
the difference being, one gets you fired and the other gets you promoted.

>>1874835
The world isn't out to get whites

>>1872521
Most of them are.

Take >>1872563
For example.

>>1874946
Lmao you've still never been able to articulate why the Spartacist Uprising was a bad thing

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>>1872563
>images being posted on an imageboard disproves the well-documented, almost-exclusively jewish effort of spreading communism in the 20th century

>>1872291
Easy:
None

ITT: almost nobody having read Culture of Critique

>>1874941
t. we need to smash white supremacy you have nothing to fear goy

We need to start teaching children about interracial marriage, it's the only way not to be bigoted, goy!
I know this runs contrary to your pro-egalitarian Marxist equality narrative, but Jews do spearhead these movements and subvert societies. For example, most degenerate music is broadcast by the Jews today! I guess it's all just le conspiracy theory when I disagree with it, now don't you dare criticize my beautiful Jews!

>>1874983
dude don't be bigoted #NotAllJews
now stop noticing patterns of behaviours you anti-Semite

>>1874983
>almost-exclusively jewish
Yes, I remember such well-known Jews as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Salvador Allende, Josip Broz Tito, Enver Hoxha, etc.

>>1875816
Lenin was Jewish, you mong. Just from that list alone, Jews were still widely overrepresented. Especially in Eastern Europe, almost all of the higher-ups or early revolutionaries were Jewish, just take a look at OP's picture. Nobody has yet to refute it, they just whine on about how diversity is a strength and how not all Jews are meanie, completely forgetting how (((coincidental))) their support for Communism is. You know there are about 14 million Jews worldwide?

>>1875828
>Jews were still widely overrepresented

In the opening phases, yes.

And then, of course, Stalin happened.

>>1875828
>Lenin was Jewish
lolno

>Nobody has yet to refute it
It's a fake wikibox that doesn't even make historical sense, what is there to refute?

>>1872291
I don't get what that image is trying to prove

Nobody died during the revolution

>>1875847
/pol/ seems unable to understand (or chooses not to) that the German Revolution of November 1918, the Spartacist revolt of January 1919, and the Bavarian Soviet Republic of April-May 1919 were distinct events

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>>1875832
Then the Jews left the USSR, and the result is what we have today.

>>1875837
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin
>Well educated and from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity.
Nice try Schlomo.

>It's a fake wikibox that doesn't even make historical sense, what is there to refute?
Lol, all the Jews listed there are of Jewish blood and were Communist revolutionaries doing exactly what Hitler warned. It doesn't make historical sense because of the bigotry, right? Yeah, I hate those anti-Semites, too, always noticing patterns of behaviour.
Here, from your own Jew sources:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
>to further undermine the Republic's credibility, right-wing extremists (especially certain members of the former officer corps) used the Dolchstoßlegende to blame an alleged conspiracy of Socialists and Jews for Germany's defeat in World War I, largely drawing fuel from the fact that eight out of the ten leaders of the communist revolution were Jewish.
Oy vey those right-wing extremists!

>>1872291

>reactionarism?

>its a ideology now

>its got authors an shit

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And this is the result of Cultural Marxism. Enjoy having this filth peddled down xir's throat, you bigots.
Israel will still get billions in foreign aid.

>>1875861
>Nice try Schlomo
One Jewish grandparent does not a Jew make, even under the Nazis' own Nuremberg laws

>Lol, all the Jews listed there are of Jewish blood
Not true, Clara Zetkin was not a Jew and her wiki page does not say she was, despite what the image claims

>Communist revolutionaries doing exactly what Hitler warned
Where did Hitler warn about this?

>It doesn't make historical sense
It doesn't make historical sense because of >>1875859

No one denies that Jews were over-represented in the Communist leadership BTW. But that in and of itself proves nothing

>>1875896
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism

Also, the image says she is a Jewish Marxist, not that she is literally Jewish, herself. Marxism is inherently Jewish, so the statement still stands.

>Where did Hitler warn about this?
That the Jews would subvert the nationhood and seize power? Yeah, Adolf Hitler never spoke critically of Jewish influence.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising
This is what we are discussing.

>No one denies that Jews were over-represented in the Communist leadership BTW. But that in and of itself proves nothing
If I told you that the Chinese were in control of your nation's finances, passing down pro-Chinese laws, broadcasting pro-Chinese information, and vilifying anybody who claims China is in their nation and active in these spheres of influence, you would say that it proves nothing, even if the Chinese world population is 14 million? Even if they had a history of being revolutionary immigrants who sought to overthrow foreign governments? They just realized they could not win with violence, and seeped into New York to do their dealings.
Excellent intellectual consistency, you cannot be critical of the Jews no matter how hard you try, in this day and age I guess.

>>1875923
>Also, the image says she is a Jewish Marxist, not that she is literally Jewish, herself. Marxism is inherently Jewish, so the statement still stands
Holy shit, this is biggest goal post move I've ever seen.

>That the Jews would subvert the nationhood and seize power? Yeah, Adolf Hitler never spoke critically of Jewish influence
When, before 1919, did Hitler warn about a Jewish communist uprising?

>This is what we are discussing.
Then why does the image say "German Revolution of 1918-19"? They are separate events.

>If I told you that the Chinese were in control of your nation's finances, passing down pro-Chinese laws, broadcasting pro-Chinese information, and vilifying anybody who claims China is in their nation and active in these spheres of influence, you would say that it proves nothing, even if the Chinese world population is 14 million? Even if they had a history of being revolutionary immigrants who sought to overthrow foreign governments? They just realized they could not win with violence, and seeped into New York to do their dealings.
You're changing the subject. The fact remains: Jews being over-represented in the Communist leadership in and of itself proves nothing. Tell me what it proves and we can talk

>>1875861
>warburg
Are they doing that intentionally

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>It's a "/pol/ gets absolutely BTFO" thread

>>1875945
Wanna cuddle as we watch /pol/ and /leftypol/ get bullied anon

>>1872291
>needing wikipedia to prove that someone name levi is a jew

>>1875828
Lenin wasn't Jewish by any reasonable metric

>>1875510
Literally
>arriving at conclusions before research
The book

Jews are over-represented in literally every upper class in any system because you keep shoahing and progromming the lower class ones that can't afford to escape. White people have literally been performing eugenics on Jews to make them the master race.

>>1875807
What makes music degenerate?

>>1876201
exactly the opposite of what his research process is. Maybe read the other two in the series if you want the background and the evidence for Judaism as an evolutionary strategy.

>>1876206
Probably da jooozzz

>>1872291
Fascism

>>1872832
saved and based

>>1875828
No shit Jews are more likely to support communism, it's a fucking ideology of liberation. Communism not only offers an alternative to the brutality of capitalism, but also promises an end to immaterial forms of oppression and the overthrow of governments which tended to have poor records serving ethnic minorities.

Why do you think so many African Americans joined CPUSA in the Deep South?

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>>1875923
>She was not literally Jewish but Marxism is inherently Jewish so the statement still stands

JUST ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG HOLY SHIT

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>>1875884
Those (((cultural marxists))) were critiquing the same kind of degeneracy /pol/ keeps harping on about

>>1875923
Hahaha, is Christianity inherently Jewish as well? What about blue jeans?

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>>1873572
>Maybe you should analyze things first and look at different perspectives, then and make your own mind
>LE FEDORA MEME XD

Please don't post anymore.

On a zizek sniff scale from 1 to 10

How meme tier is national syndicalism?

>>1876331
Dusty balls

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>>1872832
So, there were three revolutions in Germany during 1918-19. One, led by goyim sailors, demanded the immediate end to the war. Other, led by goyim social democrats, established a liberal democratic republican government.

And the third one, the only one where Jews had a massive participation, wanted the establishment of a Bolshevist tyranny.

That's supposed to make me less anti-semitic?

>>1874382
The /pol/tard is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a /pol/tard and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>1876398
>the only one where Jews had a massive participation
Jews participated in the other two as well.

The problem with anti-Semites is that they don't actually care about the truth, they care about validitaing their own personal bias.

Historians spend their entire life researching and providing comprehensive overviews of topics like the Spartacist rebellion and the stab in the back myth, but it's so much easier to read a couple of jpegs then to actually do the hard work and find out if it's true or not.

And then when someone questions their retarded hick worldview, they expect to have sources served up to them on a plate which we all know they never actually bother reading. If you don't care about actually finding out the truth what's the fucking point? Stop hiding behind your half-baked conspiracy theories and admit your hatred is irrational and you choose to keep yourself in the dark - its not the rest of our jobs to un-dumb you.

>>1876398
>tyranny

What do you mean?

What's with the sudden influx of /pol/tards?

>>1876398
>wanted the establishment of a Bolshevist tyranny
German communists weren't bolsheviks and criticized leninist "democratic" centralism.
For example, this is what Rosa Luxemburg wrote:
>"If we assume the viewpoint claimed as his own by Lenin and we fear the influence of intellectuals in the proletarian movement, we can conceive of no greater danger to the Russian party than Lenin’s plan of organization. Nothing will more surely enslave a young labor movement to an intellectual elite hungry for power than this bureaucratic straightjacket, which will immobilize the movement and turn it into an automaton manipulated by a Central Committee. On the other hand there is no more effective guarantee against opportunist intrigue and personal ambition than the independent revolutionary action of the proletariat, as a result of which the workers acquire the sense of political responsibility and self-reliance."
>"The game of bourgeois demagogues will be made easier if at the present stage, the spontaneous action, initiative, and political sense of the advanced sections of the working class are hindered in their development and restricted by the protectorate of an authoritarian Central Committee."
>"In time we see appear on the scene and even more “legitimate” child of history – the Russian labor movement. For the first time, bases for the formation of a real “people’s will” are laid in Russian soil. But here is the “ego” of the Russian revolutionary again! Pirouetting on its head, it once more proclaims itself to be the all-powerful director of history – this time with the title of His Excellency the Central Committee of the Social Democratic Party of Russia."
It must be comforting to have a view of the world so simple that crying "DA JOOS" explains every single historical phenomenon. Sadly, history is more complex than your retarded conspiracies, as were communist movements from the last century.

>>1876568

>What's with the sudden influx of /pol/tards?
There is no influx, your just another leftypol SJW getting triggered by non SJWs

>>1876691
Ah, sure, all those buzzwords are certainly not from /pol/.

>>1876568
Words are cheap. The real actions of German communists shows them for Bolsheviks.

Just check out the guy I illustrated my post it, Max Levien.

>>1876709
Germans literally invented communism

>>1876709
>Words are cheap.
So, why did prominent german communists express themselves against the bolsheviks according to you?
Inb4 some ridiculous conspiracy.

>The real actions of German communists shows them for Bolsheviks
Not really.

>>1876398
They weren't Bolsheviks. The Bolshevik Party was in Russia.

>>1876713
Nah, Marx was expounding on the work of earlier French utopian communists like Babeuf

>>1876331
Two sniffs. He'd sniffle once in critiquing its syndicalist approach to socialist theory, and once again critiquing the national part of it.

>>1876709
>Words are cheap. The real actions of German communists shows them for Bolsheviks.

Are you a fucking retarded? Lenin himself considered the German Left-Communism to be an "Infantile Disorder."

>>1876713
Karl Marx wasn't German.

>>1876398
>>1876709
>Just check out the guy I illustrated my post it, Max Levien.

Considering I can't so much as find a wikipedia article on the guy, I'd bet he's a literally who.

>>1876799
Yes he was.

>>1876808
>Marx was ancestrally Jewish; his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

>>1876817
>he stops being German because he's Jewish.

Sorry, your ethno-linguistic identity doesn't change due to religion, /pol/io.

>>1876825
But being Jewish is a ethno-linguistic identity, more than a religion.

>>1876817
Yes, and he was also german.
Also,
>born into protestantism, became atheist, wrote an entire book ranting about jews, married a protestant german aristocrat in a protestan church, had non jewish children with her, never had anything to do with judaism, inheritor of traditional german philosophy
>b-b-but his grandparents!
Can we stop this meme?

>>1875942
The image references non-Jews and Jews alike, you don't see the forest for the trees and fixate on the non-Jews. Image doesn't state that she's a Jew, but a Marxist Jew, unlike the others, who have Judaism as their blood listed under their bio.
So right after the war, and the Treaty, Hitler had nothing to say about Jewish influences on Germany's future? Hmmmmm.
What do you mean, what is 1918-1919 referencing besides the Spartacist uprising? Senantics, again. Address the content of the argument, that Jewish Marxist influence on foreign nations is deliberately downplayed in order to maintain the hasbara.

In and of itself? Why does it mean nothing? Why does Jewish over representation mean nothing? Tell me why this information is of little or no significance. These people holding this leverage does nothing to show patterns of behaviour? Okay Schlomo, I won't be a bigot anymore.

Fuck yeah a Jews thread!

>>1876871
Also /pol/ getting blown the fuck out by an actual knowledge of history.

>>1876873
>if I say they're getting btfoed enough times, it will become true

>>1876206
Nonsense negroid rap.
>>1876238
You call that which does not fit your narrative a conspiracy, even though the Jews themselves admit criticizing the 1% is anti-Semitic.
>>1876272
#NotAllJews
>>1876302
Of course Adorno didn't talk about dismantling xir's gender, the seeds of relativism/hyper-egalitarianism were planted by these... Oh look, they were majority Jewish as well! Conspiracies, I guess.

>>1876825
Just because a dog is born in a stable does not make it a horse. Muhammed is born in Sweden, this does not make him Swedish. Race-mixing removes all allegiance to any identity altogether.

>>1876882
Out of all German philosophers, the one that invented communism had Jewish ethnic origins.

Out of all German revolutionaries, the ones that led the Spartacist uprising had Jewish ethnic origins.

Just cohencidence, I guess.

>>1876890
Dude don't be an anti-Semite.

That argument still works anonymously, right? Right (((SPLC)))? (((ADL))), we need some muscle for this bigot over here!

>>1876881
>If I keep ignoring extensive historical phenomena stemming back thousands of years, it'll finally suit my simplistic narrative designed primarily to explain why I can't get a GF.

>>1876890
>Out of all German philosophers, the one that invented communism had Jewish ethnic origins.

Marx didn't invent communism, you stupid asshat.

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>>1876897
The only one ignoring extensive historical phenomena stemming back thousands of years is you, denying systematic Jewish subversion of gentile societies.

>>1876890
It's not a coincidence, oppressed minorities are over represented in pretty much every revolutionary movement. On the other hand, jews are both overrepresented among communists as among anti communist philosophers, simply because they are overrepresented among intellectuals for historical reasons (like being unable to own land).

>>1876896
This is the typical reinforcement mechanism used by /pol/tards to create an echochamber for their conspiracies.

>>1876903
I'm sorry, but schizophrenic ramblings don't count as real historian work.

>>1876908
>those aren't TRUE Jews, unlike the ones that agree with me.
Anon, I...

>>1876911
>responding to arguments nobody made

/Pol/io is a terrible disease that affects thousands of socially awkward, listless young men looking to explain their failure at life and sense of anomie.

>>1876911
Who are you quoting?

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>>1876897
>extensive historical phenomenon
wtf I love Jews now

>>1876918
>He made cars, ergo he can't be a crazy asshole.

That's some fine logic.

>>1876906
There are no true Jewish anti-communist philosopher.

Of course, there are liberal philosophers who oppose the methods of communism, specially Stalinism and Maoism, people like Raymond Aron and Jean-François Revel. But Jewish thinkers who oppose communism as a whole, who reject the entire revolutionary project, who denounce Trotsky as even worse than Stalin, there are none.

And there were no Jews in the Freikorps.

>>1876915
Any arguments Jews themselves make against gentiles is nonsensical 'ramblings', unlike other arguments Jews make that...don't come to negative conclusions on the gentile. So, true Jews versus schizo Jews. Hmmmm. >>1876921
Bigots on suicide watch. Einstein had some choice words for Hews, too. Is he crazy?

>>1872291
>/pol/tards have been going on and on for almost a day despite being btfo several times

Its admirable. Clinging to an ideology so bad that you somehow manage to ignore all proofs and arguments, no matter how reasonable they are.

I legit wonder what does it take to be this retarded.

>>1876926
>And there were no Jews in the Freikorps.

Because they were an anti-semitic organization.

>>1876928
>Is he crazy?

Yeah, kinda. You're acting like being brilliant in a field means that everything they say is gold.

>>1876937
That's inevitable when you're anti-communist.

>>1872291
Come to God and Christ.

>>1876940
Get ready to denounce men like Jesus and Martin Luther as well.
Carthagians were bigots, too!

>>1876943
Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold was anticommunist and not antisemitic.

>>1876950
We don't know shit about Jesus.

Martin Luther was a crazy asshole too.

Carthaginians were no better than Romans.

>>1876954
They opposed the Soviet-led KPD, not communism itself.

The Social Democratic Party didn't renounce Marxism until 1959.

>>1876918
I honestly wonder how retarded one has to be to believe these pics are some kind of evidence.

>>1876926
Ayn Rand, Rothbard, Friedman, etc.

>>1876928
I don't even know what the fuck you are saying to be honest.
Jews, despite what /pol/tards imply in their arguments, are not part of some giant collective consciousness. This is what you imply when you believe that two jews saying opposing stuff is something strange, your fucking retarded conspiracy depends on millions of jews being a single entity somehow. To sane people, two different individuals with contradicting views is in no way "schizo". And yes, i'm sure there's jews who are retarded anti-white racists.

>>1876961
>They opposed the Soviet-led KPD, not communism itself.

They opposed both left and right wing extremism, which inherently includes all forms of radical communism. They probably wouldn't have opposed a parliamentary transition, but anyone who actually believes in liberal democracy wouldn't oppose that either. It's like you think the only opposition one can lay against communism is establishing some totalitarian shithole. "Communism is a failed experiment that produces nothing but totalitarian shit-holes, so let's turn society into a totalitarian shit-hole before they can!"

>>1876977
It was more than that. A parliamentary trasition to communism was their political program itself.

>>1876992
That was the political program of the social democrats. But the Reichsbanner SRG was a multi-party organization, which included the German Center Party and the German Democrat Party, who were not social democrats (the latter being conventional liberals).

>>1876994
99% of the political parties are anti communist and non-antisemitic at the same time. What's the point in debating such a retarded claim?

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>>1876897
>why I can't get a gf
I can taste the projection.

>>1872291
Monarchism

>>1877012
>I can't handle the bantz.

The serious discussion has become a joke.

>>1877030
Don't start memeing if you can't handle the memes

>>1876957
Except for what he said about the Devil and the Jews.
Bobby Fischer. Arguably the greatest chess player of all time, Jewish community shunned and vilified him. Churchill also had some choice words as well.
Yeah, I guess they're all just, like, not with the college diversity programs, unlike us tolerant, therefore socially superior, individuals. God it feels good to virtue-signal.

>>1876962
I agree, quotations proving most figures were aware of Jewish influence are bigoted. Those filthy gentiles.

>>1877201
>Except for what he said about the Devil and the Jews.

No, actually. Historians agree about a small handful of things about Jesus. That he existed, that he preached, that he was baptized, and that he was crucified. The Gospels aren't considered an objective source.

>Bobby Fischer.

Was a crazy asshole.

>Churchill also had some choice words as well.

You mean the guy that wanted to rearm the Wehrmacht and kick-start WW3? There's a reason he was only popular during WW2.

Someone doing something incredible, or being highly adept at a certain field doesn't mean everything they say or think is golden. Do you think Noam Chomsky is right about everything he says because he's a prominent figure in linguistics?

>virtue-signal

Who the fuck would engage in such a practice on 4chan? You have no idea who I am and I have no reputation to maintain.

>>1877206
>I agree, quotations proving most figures were aware of Jewish influence are bigoted. Those filthy gentiles.
Again, who the fuck are you quoting? Who said anything about bigoted people or filthy gentiles? Do you need to debate imaginary enemies with made up arguments to feel that you are winning an argument?
I don't care about one, two or a million people believing X, i care the evidence to back up said belief.

If we were to accept popular belief as a proof for truth, you must also accept that, for example, jews were responsible for genghis khan's invasion of europe, since that's what people believed. Also, since most people nowadays believe that there is not a jewish conspiracy, you must at the same time believe that there was and that there isn't. You are hopelessly stupid.

>>1876870
>Image doesn't state that she's a Jew, but a Marxist Jew, unlike the others, who have Judaism as their blood listed under their bio.
Just admit you were wrong you pathetic faggot.

>So right after the war, and the Treaty, Hitler had nothing to say about Jewish influences on Germany's future? Hmmmmm.
You said he warned about it. That implies he talked about before it happened. Show me where.

>hat do you mean, what is 1918-1919 referencing besides the Spartacist uprising?
There was a Revolution in November 1918, and the Sparticist uprising occurred in January 1919. They are distinct events, but the image is trying to conflate them.

>Address the content of the argument
What content?

>In and of itself? Why does it mean nothing? Why does Jewish over representation mean nothing? Tell me why this information is of little or no significance. These people holding this leverage does nothing to show patterns of behaviour? Okay Schlomo, I won't be a bigot anymore.
The burden of proof is on you to show that it means something. What do you think it shows? Stop being a coward, say what you mean.

>>1875923
>Also, the image says she is a Jewish Marxist, not that she is literally Jewish, herself. Marxism is inherently Jewish, so the statement still stands.
This may be the stupidest argument i've ever read.

What's the official /pol/ line on Jews? Is it that all 14 million of them operate as one brain with a single mindset (world domination) or that they just naturally erode culture wherever they go regardless of their thoughts and opinions?

>>1877222
What historians? Jesus himself called the Jews descendants of the Devil.

Lotta crazy assholes. Anybody critical of Jews is an asshole. Seems like a heeb to me. Way to disprove hasbara subversion.

You disagree with the role of Jews in finance, media, government, etc., so I share accounts of those in finance, government, or Jews themselves admitting there is a nefariousness with the Jews. Still, conspiracies.

>>1877621
>What historians?

Secular ones.

>Jesus himself called the Jews descendants of the Devil.

The gospels claim he did.

>Anybody critical of Jews is an asshole.

Wrong way around. Lots of crazy assholes are also antisemites, though antisemites are all assholes.

>Way to disprove hasbara subversion

Never been proven.

>You disagree with the role of Jews in finance, media, government, etc., so I share accounts of those in finance, government, or Jews themselves admitting there is a nefariousness with the Jews. Still, conspiracies.

There has never been any proof of a Jewish conspiracy. Paranoid schizophrenia is not evidence.

>>1877315
Excellent argument. I didn't make the image, you are welcome to check and see if the wiki lists the Jewishness, which it does not. From my understanding, it is referencing to the collaboration with Marxist Jews. Again, you don't see the forest for the trees. This one wasn't a Jew, therefore bigots on suicide watch.

Read Mein Kampf. He outlines it pretty clearly. For a bunch of historians, you do like to plead ignorance, especially in regards to a book that most people would like to read.

I am not aware of these two separate events, I am only interested in the uprisings involving Jewish communist figures. Treason runs in their blood.

The content is the overwhelming Jewish presence in Marxist movements, cultural or otherwise, throughout the span of the last century, and what relevance this has to the Jewish view of the gentile.

Power in the hands of the few with similar interests is not a coincidence. See for yourself, the Fed chairmans of the past, Supreme court justices and their rulings, media coverage of stories throughout the past, and the anti-West, pro-Globalist policies being enacted by oligarchs, who just so happen to be Jews.

https://thezog.wordpress.com

>>1877492
I didn't edit the image, I am saying it does not overtly phrase the Jewishness as it does in the others, but references the collaboration instead. That's what I took away from it. The others who are all Jews are made irrelevant because of this error? Haha bro I was about to take in your argument, but then I saw you made a spelling mistake nice try.

So, what about Natanson and the assassination of Tsar Alexander II?

>>1877538
That is the common nu-male "white male" strawman. Observe the Jewish communication in their personal spheres and let me know what you think. Or is that paranoid bigotry as well? Even when it comes from the mouth of the horse? Jews themselves admit their control, they brag about it. Milo said it to Rubin a few months ago.

>>1877679
>nu-male

Projection.

How about you post some actual evidence of your claims?

>>1877662
>Read Mein Kampf
Hitler predicted the Spartacist uprising in Mein Kampf? That's some awesome foresight, given that it took place 5 years before the book was written.

>I am not aware of these two separate events
So you admit you're totally ignorant about things you are discussing?

>what relevance this has to the Jewish view of the gentile
And what relevance is that? Why don't you actually say what you mean?

Simply saying that Jews are over-represented proves nothing: you have to show why that is, and why it is bad.

>>1877679
How is this a strawman? I'm taking the claims made in this thread and trying to find their logical conclusion

>>1877630
You mean post WW2 historians.
Pc ones who want to stay buddy buddy with their peers. Certainly not conservative ones. Conservative historians are shunned from academia because they run contrary to the narrative of hyper-egalitarianism and white guilt enforced by the Jew.

Gospel is bigoted.

All anti-Semites are assholes? How tolerant! Welcome to le current year and beyond, where once-powerful young males virtue-signal their tolerance for online pussy points.

You mean hasbara is not proven? You must read Michael Scheuer.
Or watch Bibi visit Congress.

Proof does not exist? Okay.
https://thezog.wordpress.com
Just coincidence.

>>1877687
I have. Jews themselves admit it but that doesn't count because 'paranoid' Jews are irrelevant because you disagree with them.

>>1877688
We were not discussing Spartacist uprising, nice diversion. We were talking about Jewish role in post WW1 Germany.

I am admitting that I am ignorant to the second event. The uprising and it's Jewishness/bigoted coincidences still stand. The wiki oage is more accurate, you can go see for yourself. Same conclusion is reached, you just have to use your mouse and click on the names, scroll to early life, and read the Jewishness. But maternal Jewishness or grandparents are nit TRUE Jews anymore, according to Schlomo over here.

It is bad because they are in control of the hearts and minds of the Western population, and have moulded them to match the Cultural Marxist agenda.

>>1877694
It is a strawman because I do not blame the Jews for missing the bus, or assume they are all alien reptiles with the same consciousness. They simply have tightly knit communities, exercise nepotism, and have negative views of non-Jews. Pair this with their roles in media and government, and you have a tolerant society, with open borders.

We need diversity, goy! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug

>>1877670
>but references the collaboration instead
Nice rationalization. Generally speaking, /pol/ propaganda is full of lies, and this one is particularly stupid since it's unnecessary: jews did have a prominent role in the german revolution. But the pic is lying and you are just making shit up to justify it.

>The others who are all Jews are made irrelevant because of this error?
Irrelevant in what sense? I don't think anybody denied that jews were over represented. I'd call it uncontroversial rather than irrelevant.

>>1877679
Not that guy. But since /pol/tards count people who descend from jews but were not jewish or practiced judaism themselved like marx and lenin as major parts of the conspiracy, they are necessarily implying that jews work with a single mindset that is somehow genetically inherited. The case of lenin is particularly astounding, he was born in a christian home with a christian name and believed in a christian god in his youth, yet by virtue of having a (converted) jewish grandparent he was granted access to the jewish single consciousness.
In fact this presupposition is found pretty much all over /pol/tard arguments: it is implied that all jews think what a jew is quoted saying, all jews are responsible for what a jew does, all jews share a single ideology, etc. Your own post implicitly assumes this.

>>1877750
>They simply have tightly knit communities, exercise nepotism, and have negative views of non-Jews.
Then why are people that didn't consider themselves jews and weren't part of jewish communities part of the conspiracy?

>>1877761
It is not rationalization, I am explaining my reasoning. I do not think it is claiming Jewish blood, merely collaboration. You can think what you want.
>Jews did have a prominent role
>image outlining Jewish figures is all false and therefore lying because I interpreted something this certain way

> I don't think anybody denied that jews were over represented
where do you live. You have not entered the workforce yet.
>I'd call it uncontroversial
You mean not pc.

/pol/ is full of bigots who are wrong and not pc therefore they are on the wrong side of history. God, I wish I were with my wife's son right now.
The fundamental assertion is that Judaism is a belief system, and not a blood. This is objectively incorrect, and the reason mainstream normies believe this is not mere coincidence, but deliberate. That way, it is just another flavour of ice cream. Just another belief system. You are not fully Jewish, by Jewish law, if your mother is not a Jew. Rabbis themselves preach of their blood being paramount, but whatever that probably is just like paranoid bigots taking things out of context.

I do not say that all Jews are alike, please understand this. There are Jews who want to destroy Israel because they do not want the state. There are those who will kill the first ones. I am repeating myself, I have already described this: the difference is that once an anti-Semite has been labelled, all jews unite and denounce that person/organization. I claim that blacks are more prone to criminality, this does not mean that I believe all blacks share a mind to jack some newports from a gas station. Either you are deliberately downplaying my claims to make me look like some "le idiot southerner", or you don't want to face the Jewishness of Marxist ideology.

>>1877772
I have already discussed this, you are beating a dead horse. Of course not all Jewish people are one and the same, but there is one binding agent, that is their blood. They see the tribe first. cont.

>>1877772
cont.
They see the tribe first, above all else. The Holohoax is their ultimate white guilt card, you will see no Jew not use their "oppressed" past as an argument, just like in this thread. All guilt is absolved the minute they mention their past. You feel bad and apologize for being anti-Semitic.

It is irrelevant whether or not they consider themselves to be Jews or not, it is the fact that Jewish blood is present in their family line which is the important part. Of all the people, it just so happened that Jews were the ones pushing degeneracy in the media? Of course many of them don't go to synagogue, I never claimed this. I am merely mentioning the Nose Industry, and the response is the typical lemming "Not All Jews, don't be anti-Semitic!"
For a group of people who claim to be open to information and willing to notice objective patterns, you sure are hesitant to name, say, Islam as being a barbaric cult of terrorism, Judaism as a cult of usurious Marxists, or blacks as criminal beings (all of this much more so relative to their proportional population, take Asians/Whites as a standard).

Okay, you have convinced me, I won't push any further. All these Jews are not real Jews, it is all just a conspiracy, the government/media would never abuse trust and subvert the masses with filth, and anti-Semitism is bad.

what a bunch of fucking bigots, fuck these anti-semites.

>>1878188
lol nice dubs way to prove your point..

>>1878006
>>1878018
Not him.

Your universalization of the Jewish concept is faulty at best, deliberately vague at worst. You deliberately choose the Jewishness of a figure instead a more relevant properties of him in a topic. Say, if it's about ethnicity then it's relevant to discuss someone's Jewishness. Instead, when a person was clearly Marxists in a socialism-motivated events, instead of identifying him with other Marxists first, you bring up its Jewishness, thus compounding it into 'Jewish Marxism', while non-Jewish Marxists you group them as 'good goys' and downplaying their roles (which turns them into people who aren't capable of agency). That is a common categorical error when someone tries to fit reality with an imaginary framework.

(continued)

As long as the concept of Jew is riddled with contradictions, as you even admitted yourself in the above post, it is not sufficient enough to be conceived as a social agent . Or, at least, I myself won't take it seriously both the 'antisemites' and the 'prosemites'. It's much better to just stipulate 'Jew as a,b,c,...' instead. It's different matter, however, if you say the Jews in this place or that place, as it is a concrete phenomenon, but clearly you're interested in the inherentness of the Jewish blood and its general characteristics derived from it. You're pretty dishonest in that regard. If you admit so, then your next task is to find strong causality between the blood (or rather genes, maybe) and this 'Jewishness' you're talking about. But rather, you'd argue that Marxism is Judaism 2.0, because you claim Jews are overrepresented there.

But what are you arguing here, that these people with Jewish blood unite socially whenever antisemitism appears? Why do you think that Jewish people in the media who accused so wholly represent all of the Jewish blood? What about Lenin, when he ordered to prevent Jewish and Ukrainian city-dweller "petit-bourgeois" from administrative posts? It is interesting here to accusers of antisemite that they cherry-pick too. A lot of Marxist Jews hated Judaism and Jewish culture; they wanted to destroy them, but they weren't labelled as antisemite, even when they're clearly against Judaism. So, why would you believe their lies anyway?

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There's also the case of conveniently cherry-picking what Jewish rabbis said, when even (like you admitted, too) some Jews don't subscribe to them, and when even the Jewish law also has excommunication. The rabbis didn't consider Spinoza or Trotsky as one of their own communities despite having Jewish blood, as they were excommunicated. It seems that the law and the blood has to go hand in hand for them, otherwise it isn't enough. Why are you ignoring this?

>>1874487
lol. I'm still waiting for the Natanson problem above, though.

>>1878424
>You deliberately choose the Jewishness of a figure
If it would stop popping up, gentiles would stop noticing patterns.
It is about ethnicity, we were discussing the origins of the revolutionaries. Marxism is Jewish, there is a fundamental misunderstanding (voluntary or otherwise) of this claim. Those who spearheaded Marxist movements had Jewish blood. I would critique Mongolians if the same trends appeared. 1/5 the population of Jews, higher IQ than Israel, yet relatively tame in the media because they keep to themselves.
You are diverting the topic from ethnic backgrounds (OP picture was referencing Jewishness before all else) to (superseding) ideological motivations.
Non-Jewish Marxists exist, of course. I have never claimed the opposite, there are now more gentile Marxists than ever. I have never downplayed the role of the gentile in the Marxist movement, I critique their subversion, myself included. However, they are proportionally represented. This is the fundamental issue, it is not downplayed, it is "level-played". Of course they are capable of agency, they are held responsible for their actions. The point of contention is Jewish overrepresentation. Gentiles are at or below their population rankings.
>>1878426
Cherry-picking those that you disagree with? You have obviously never visited Israel, have you? Gentiles are dogs, it is written in their very book. I guess all the figures here (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentile-whatotherssay.htm) are just bigots.
I have admitted to that, of course. I do not hide from this, but this does not change the group mentality, the anti-Semite industry the Jews are running. Their entire religion is based upon Jews over Gentiles, it is just not expressed in order to maintain the harbara. If they did, it would be USS Liberty every day.
Rabbis quotes matter when you want them, don't when you disagree with them. Fool, how can you trust the rabbi when he denounces one, but not when he denounces another?

>>1878426
Their excommunication does not change their biology. They will always have their blood, they will always be ethnic Jews. Like I said, they might not go to the synagogue and get reprimanded for not being devout, but there is a fundamental dishonesty if one turns a blind eye to the link between Marxism-Leninism and the Jew. Conspiracy theories and coincidences, or else you're a racist!

>>1878425
>concrete phenomenon
Or... a coincidence? Of course, it is all coincidence that OP's image still has majority Jews as the revolutionaries, or that Jews were drastically overrepresented in politics, media, etc. the past century (even today! Look at the CEOs and journalists whose information you consume): none of this has any relevance to anything and does not indicate a pattern of behaviour, or any tendencies whatsoever.
>A lot of Marxist Jews hated Judaism and Jewish culture; they wanted to destroy them, but they weren't labelled as antisemite, even when they're clearly against Judaism. So, why would you believe their lies anyway?
The March of Tyranny is the Jew's best weapon, to play both sides and come out clean on the other side. This does not change the fact that, proportional to their population, all these Jews occupied these positions. All of that just fell into place, just per chance? No patterns at all?
Of course there is infighting amongst the Jewish population. The lemming response is to bury your head in the sand and ignore all the signs that point to the Jew. One could say that the media holds massive leverage over the minds/opinions of the masses, and that the Overton window has been shaped by the media. Jews basically own Hollywood, so one can say that most Hollywood movies that come out contribute to the shift of the Overton window towards pro-Marxist (surreptitiously, of course) mindsets.
I guess once you're wired in, nothing can break it.

>>1872291
Anarcho-femboyism

Proof for any lurkers: https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-the-economy/
Objectively true that Jews are overrepresented in many areas, from political powers, company heads, media moguls, billionaire donors who influence from the shadows (Soros' donations are public record now, he funds BLM and other feminist movements: why is this?), etc.
They have also been overrepresented in Marxist uprisings, and many have been advocates for these systems at rates far beyond their proportional population.
So it is fair to say that with these positions of power, these people are capable of moulding opinions and influencing outcomes. The best way to do this is to keep a dull populous that does not question anything, that falls to red herrings that divert and distract. To use guilt and emotional appeal when arguments are made against this population, or any other "oppressed" group. Globalism is excellent because nationalism is against foreign invaders with anti-"x" interests. Marxism is dependent upon the workers of the world uniting and forming a world-wide dominion of control, but to do this, degeneracy must first become normalcy to devalue worker conditions, so that utopia is even more admirable, for why else does xir protest the patriarchy if not to do away with the bourgeoise (white males) and usher in the dawn of dickgirls?
But I guess I'm just being anti-Semitic.

For example, here is a Jew who names... the Jew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYbYAGc0i5s
One could say that this is another red herring, and that may very well be the case, but the information regarding Jewish control is still valid; merely because a Jew is not devout, or betrays his tribe, does not make him any less ethnically Jewish.

>>1876906
>oppressed minorities
>all of them coming from well-off, upper-middle class or high class background
this meme has to die

A real """""opressed""""" (meaning practically lower class) minority has never been capable of developing world-changing ideologies.

>>1878587
Oppression from a social, not financial, standpoint. Lollercaust and "you bigot" arguments mean you're fucked, considering the Overton window's current state. Of course they are not oppressed, but you cannot critique the poor little Jew if they convince you otherwise. Just look at this thread.

>>1872291
Jews are so fucking weird.