How objectively true is this view in general: >German Jews

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The 1918 Jewish coup attempt in Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319

See pic as well.

It's objectively false because Hitler made it perfectly clear he wanted to fight wars of aggression against the Slavs for lebensraum since the 1920s.

>>1869775
>>1869781
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918

Why do all /pol/ narratives of the 1918 revolution completely ignore the naval mutinies and the roving bands of sailors that kicked the whole thing off? Not enough Jews in the Imperial Navy?

Germany was going to capitulate either way.

>>1869785
Sauce?

Why would the Slavs then sign a pact with Hitler in the late 30s?

>>1869775

You already extinguish any and all hope of "objective truth" when you refer to every Jew in Germany in 1918 as part of a monolithic hivemind collective

you didn't even make it three words in, good job

>>1869785
absolute myth -- "living space" was a meme

>>1869793

because Stalin had just finished purging the Red Army at the time of Molotov-Ribbentrop and would not have been able to go to war until 1943 by his reckoning

christ you people are dense

>>1869789
Nobody ever said nothing else was going on at the time.

>>1869792
Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's fair to say the circumstances and sanctions would probably have been different.

>>1869797
>you refer to every Jew in Germany in 1918 as part of a monolithic hivemind collective
I did no such thing.

"Cars were damaged" does not mean "ALL cars were damaged".

Learn to English better.

>>1869797
Literally nothing about his wording implied a monolithic hivemind, he simply stated objective fact that German jews led the revolts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacist_uprising

>>1869804
>would not have been able to go to war until 1943 by his reckoning
But Russia engaged in several large-scale wars in 1939.

>>1869781
Funny cause the pic you posted is not from the wiki page you posted. It's literally a shitty /pol/macro.
Also sherrypicking since people like Ebert, Liebknecht, Pieck and Richard Müller were not Jewish
>>1869789
This. And they also forget that even Hitler was taking part in the riots to the point that he was voted to be part of a soviet,
http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/vom-einfachen-soldaten-zum-groessten-fuehrer.1310.de.html?dram:article_id=194323

>>1869813
>Nobody ever said nothing else was going on at the time.
Not explicitly, they just completely ignore the mutinies in order to serve their narrative.

>>1869775
The revolution was begun by sailors, who were largely not Jewish. The Communist Party, whose leaders were mostly Jewish, tried to steer the revolution in a constructive direction but were out down.

The revolution began when Germany had little fight left in them. The Entente forces were rapidly approaching, the German army was sick and in retreat, and supplies were so low that coffee rations had charcoal dust to change the color and flavor.

Much like in Russia, the public had turned against the war and wanted peace. This is why the provisional government, formed largely by the anti-Communist forces, ended the war.

>>1869775
>never mind the occupation of Czechoslovakia that doesn't for my narrative

>There are a number of similarities and differences between Zweites Buch and Mein Kampf. As in Mein Kampf, Hitler declared that the Jews were his eternal and most dangerous opponents. As in Mein Kampf, Hitler outlined what the German historian Andreas Hillgruber has called his Stufenplan ("stage-by-stage plan"). Hitler himself never used the term Stufenplan, which was coined by Hillgruber in his 1965 book Hitlers Strategie. Briefly, the Stufenplan called for three stages. In the first stage, there would be a massive military build-up, the overthrow of the shackles of the Treaty of Versailles, and the forming of alliances with Fascist Italy and the British Empire. The second stage would be a series of fast, "lightning wars" in conjunction with Italy and Britain against France and whichever of her allies in Eastern Europe—such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia—chose to stand by her. The third stage would be a war to obliterate what Hitler considered to be the "Judeo-Bolshevik" regime in the Soviet Union.

Hitler a good goy he dindu nuffin he just trying to get more reichsmarks for the volksgemeinschaft

>>1869820
>German jews led the revolts.
>Liebknecht
>Jewish
Nuh Uh bro

>>1869820

Actually, it does. The wording implies, or at least can be read as implying (therefore ruling out the possibility of OP's statements being objectively true) that they were acting in their capacity as Jews above anything and everything else

Add to that his search for "objective truth" isn't going to go very far when he deliberately excludes anyone other than Jews in the uprisings of 1918, especially considering the whole fucking thing started with the navy in Kiel

>>1869843
The book is interesting though cause it almost entirely lacks the Antisemitism of Mein Kampf. Same is true for the Nazis campaigning in the early 30s. Fuckers had to hide their antisemitism cause it didn't win them any votes.

>>1869828
>the pic you posted is not from the wiki page you posted
Wikipedia pages are often changed.

>people like Ebert, Liebknecht, Pieck and Richard Müller were not Jewish
Ebert is on the side OPPOSING the Marxists.
And I didn't say ALL Marxist leaders of the coup were Jews.

>>1869831
>>1869837
The Marxist coup attempt was largely led by Jews.
The fact that other things were going on, like riots, does not change this fact.

>>1869841
Try reading the OP.

>>1869851
"Cars were damaged" does not mean nothing else was damaged.

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>>1869820
The uprising happened after the Reichsrätekongress which established a German Republik and put the Socialdemocrates in power i.e. establishing the results of the revolution. The Spartacists were hardcore leftist who didn't want to ally with the old imperial elites (like the socialdemocrates did). It's a revolution during a revolution but did not have much effect on the overall outcome. The real revolution that caused lasting changes was not led by the Communist party which renders any macro claiming the Germany revolution was a Jewish coup by showing how Jewish dominated the KPD was pointless.
>Auch die Mehrzahl der gewählten Delegierten standen überwiegend auf Seiten der gemäßigten Linken. Die Anhänger der MSPD stellten 288 Delegierte (59,2 %), die Vertreter von USPD und Spartakusbund waren mit 18,4 % vertreten. Unter diesen waren 88 Vertreter der USPD, während die Anhänger der Spartakusgruppe mit 10 Delegierten eine verschwindende Minderheit darstellten. Hinzu kamen 5,1 % Demokraten, 2 % Syndikalisten und 15,3 % Parteilose.

>>1869775
It's all wrong. Please read a book about the history of Germany.

>>1869889
>Wikipedia pages are often changed.
This is why wiki is a shitty source. Point proven.
>Ebert is on the side OPPOSING the Marxists.
He came tp power during the revolution. The Spartacist Uprising is a minor incident really.
>And I didn't say ALL Marxist leaders of the coup were Jews.
Which is total bullshit cause Karl fucking Liebknecht was the leading figure and he was German. Same is true for Franz Mehring, August Thalheimer and for example Wilhelm Pieck. Stop believing shitty macros you found online and read a book please.

>>1869889
>Ebert is on the side OPPOSING the Marxists.
Do you even know who started this revolution? You know, the real successful revolution?

>>1869889
>Ebert is on the side OPPOSING the Marxists.
Ebert and the whole SPD are still turbo-marxists in the 1920. In fact the SPD renounced Marxism only during the Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godesberg_Program

>>1869775
german jews attempt coup in 1918? not really a coup since it was only about a small part of germany becoming independent and not about the whole of germany. Not really jews since it was social democrats and communists who did it, altough some jews might have taken part in it. (dont bring me the 'jews are behind everyting' argument)

I also would like to add that jews were actually overrepresented when it came to military decorations of courage withing the german military in the first world war.

>>1869943
>I also would like to add that jews were actually overrepresented when it came to military decorations of courage withing the german military in the first world war.
They were also the group with the proportionally highest rates of voluntary service. The motivation was for them to gain acceptance and full citizenship by proving allegiance to the Reich.

>>1869912
>This is why wiki is a shitty source. Point proven.
The basics are still there.

>The Spartacist Uprising is a minor incident really.
There was more going on in terms of Marxism than the Spartacus league.

>Karl fucking Liebknecht was the leading figure
A leading figure. A.

>>1869943
Marxism is an incremental globalist ideology.
The Spartacus league for instance changed its name to Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands in 1918, so their ambitions were certainly at least nationalistic.

>>1869957
>their ambitions were certainly at least nationalistic

their ambitions were certainly at least *nation-wide*.

>>1869775
>How objectively true is this view in general
Condom-on-head tier retardation
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
Wrong, there was a minor unsuccesfull attempt at revolution. Not a "Coup" composed from "Jews"
>Therefore Germany capitulates
Wrong. Germany capitulated because it lost the Great war.
>Germany loses ethnic German land through sanctions
"ethnic German lands" is empty phrase. It could range from contemponary Germany to gross german blob from Brittany to Ural.
>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
There was plenty of Violence initiated by the Freikorps during the Sudeten crisis.
>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany for acting against the German nation (1918 coup) and in favor of globalism (Marxism)
He wanted to get rid of them, because he hated them, even before the meme-uprising. When he still needed to behave within European norm he proposed deportations, when he no longer needed to conform, he started extermination
>globalism (Marxism)
nigga, what are you smoking?

>>1869973
>there was a minor unsuccesfull attempt at revolution. Not a "Coup" composed from "Jews"

Semantics.

>>1869813
>Perhaps, perhaps not.
It's fair to say the circumstances and sanctions would probably have been different.
How about no you fuckstick. If you actually studied 1917-18 Germany you'd know the general staff knew victory was impossible or at least very unlikely from December 1917 onwards.
In fact after Operation Michael failed in March 1918 the GQG of the German Army was constantly pressuring the civilian government to broker a favorable peace treaty (and surprise surprise that's what happened, Germany wasn't even occupied).

So fuck off and stop buying into NSDAP propaganda.

>>1869973
>"ethnic German lands" is empty phrase. It could range from contemponary Germany to gross german blob from Brittany to Ural.

Even the British prime minister said Hitler had a point when it came to Germans in Czechoslovakia for instance.

>>1869984
>How about no

But how about yes?

1) there are many different ways to "lose" a war, and the Versailles treaty was probably one of the worst possible ways for Germany to lose.
2) internal division is a massive factor in losing wars

>>1869957
>The basics are still there.
Yepp and you ignore them (Pieck, Mehring etc.). On the actual page of the Spartacist Uprising 2 leaders are named. Pro tip: One of them is Liebknecht.
>A leading figure. A.
He was one of the 2 official leaders, he wrote the fucking program and announced the republic. Jesus Christ you won't find anyone with more influence in the KPD than him. His father was buddies with Marx and founded the SPD - but I bet you knew that.
>There was more going on in terms of Marxism than the Spartacus league.
Yeah, like the SPD which we already told you allied with the old elites and was definitely not lead by Jews.
>The Spartacus league for instance changed its name to Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands in 1918, so their ambitions were certainly at least nationalistic.
This is objectively wrong. They merged with the USPD 1917. Before that they were a fraction inside the SPD. The name was changed to KPD in 1919 - before the uprising knows as Spartakusaufstand began. I mean it's minor stuff but it shows how inaccurate your knowledge is.

>>1869985
>Even the British prime minister
Neville "The Cretin" Chamberlain? The guy who was called totally incompetent in foreign policy even by his brother?

But that doesn't change the fact it's an useless phrase. When you let nazis define it, you end up with superblob over half of Europe.

>>1869973
Just stopping by to say this post is the most ignorant itt so far.

This part takes the cake:

>>globalism (Marxism)
>nigga, what are you smoking?

Marxism is inherently a globalist ideology.
The very first words of Marx' communist manifesto: "Workers of the world, unite".

>>1869957
>Marxism is an incremental globalist ideology.
>The Spartacus league for instance changed its name to Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands in 1918, so their ambitions were certainly at least nationalistic.

certainly they would have percieved a global communist society as an 'ultimate goal', like most communists, but that does not mean everything they do should be seen as a national coup d'etat. In fact one of their main objectives was to gain independence from the weimar republic.

>>1869994
Versailles was extremely lenient on Germany, that's why they were able to completely rearm in 20 years.

>>1870007
>Yepp and you ignore them (Pieck, Mehring etc.).
So because there were non-Jews as well, means there weren't Jews?

>He was one of the 2 official leaders
The other one being a Jewess.

>Yeah, like the SPD which we already told you allied with the old elites and was definitely not lead by Jews.
Or the Bavarian Soviet Republic (led by Jews), or the FVdG (led by Jews).

>>1870019
>Marxism is inherently a globalist ideology
Wrong, Marxism doesn't want to create a globespanning super-state. It wants to create small cooperating communities.

>>1869822
If by large scale you mean tiny steamrolls of tiny nations and border conflicts, yes.
And you forget that these steamrolls and border conflicts were disastrous for the Soviets who took massive losses and prompted a total overhaul of military structure which is why all the armored divisions were at half strength and being reorganized in 1941 when Barbarossa happened.
Tell me.
How exactly was Stalin gonna start an offensive war if all his tanks were disorganized and uncrewed?

>>1870019
At this point you really should explain what you mean by globalism, because your definition doesn't fit the standard usage of that word.

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>>1870017
The pink in pic (outside of Netherlands & Flanders) is where German was spoken by the Majority.

>>1870047
and...?

>>1870027
Well they changed their name to include "of Germany" in 1918.

>>1870032
>Versailles was extremely lenient on Germany
No it wasn't.

>>1870044
The Soviet invasion of Poland was a "tiny steamroll of a tiny nation"?
The Winter war with 1 million Russian troops was a "border conflict"?

>>1870038
>Wrong, Marxism doesn't want to create a globespanning super-state.
1) "globalism" does not automatically imply a super-state
2) according to Marx, the intermediate goal is indeed a (super-)state

>>1870046
"globalist" means "of the globe".

>>1870061
>The Winter war with 1 million Russian troops was a "border conflict"?
It was, thanks to the bravery of Finnish soldiers.

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>>1869820
>he simply stated objective fact that German jews led the revolts.

It's clearly less relevant that they were Jews and more relevant that they were Communists.

Being a Jew doesn't automatically make you a violent revolutionary, but I guess that's what you might believe after perusing too much /pol/ in your leisure time.

>>1870055
And those are historic and ethnic German lands.

>>1870065
It was a pretty sizable war, which was my point.

>>1870067
>It's clearly less relevant that they were Jews and more relevant that they were Communists.
Which is why Hitler also hated communism with a burning passion.

Hitler felt that Jews were never really attached to any "state" where they found themselves, and that this made them more prone to globalist ideologies like Marxism.

>>1870035
>So because there were non-Jews as well, means there weren't Jews?
What does meaning lead by Jews mean exactly? What proof would it need for you to admit you were wrong? What exactly would be the goal post?

Here you go some Jews fighting for the Freikorps against the revolution. I guess this is proof both sides were lead by Jews: https://books.google.de/books?id=VEpddVMXwtcC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=juden+freikorps&source=bl&ots=1AjuNkzGlu&sig=5k5N7DvcCXVZDr-rAtn7pNDrq1I&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmx63h-vPPAhVCzRQKHdc6B3YQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=juden%20freikorps&f=false

>>1870062
1) "globalism" does not automatically imply a super-state
It does.

2) according to Marx, the intermediate goal is indeed a (super-)state
According to Marx maybe. But what should the "intermediate" look like is a major thing in the Marxist crowd and from what I remember R. Luxemburg was not aiming for a global state.

>>1870078
So is that why he lead his own little revolution in 1922?

>>1869994
Furthermore Hindenburg and Ludendorff sent a memo to the civilian government in early july 1918 that demanded that peace be made AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Their line of thought was that any peace now would be better than peace when the Army would be forced to fight on it's home soil.
Hindenburg after acquiescing the armistice purposely sent a civilian, the MP Mathias Erzberger to sign it in Rethondes so that the old fox could later on claim the new republic stabbed the Army in the back despite the fact he was one of the main proponents of a quick peace.
I could go on about this and how Hindenburg personally stormed the Chancellor's offoce in September 1918 to force him to speed up the peace negotiations or how Hindenburg personally coined the "stab in the back" (Dolchstoss) expression in 1919, but that's just icing on the cake.

>>1870085
Don't forget a revolution against the legal government absolved by the Kaiser. Motherfucker was illegal as fuck and not even against Jews back then.

>>1870078
>Hitler felt that Jews were never really attached to any "state" where they found themselves

Well this is true to some extent culturally speaking, given that they didn't have a nation state until 1948, and were essentially European nomads.

But that doesn't mean the fact that they are Jews proves anything about the revolution; because as you know, there are plenty of people who are non-Jewish who are as fervently if not more fervently Marxist and Communist. In fact, given that Jews are literally just 11 million people out of 7 billion, most Communists and Marxists aren't Jewish at all.(They're probably Latin-American if I'm going to make a wild guess).

>>1870068
>historic
lolno, The borderlands of Bohemia never left the crown.

>ethnic
Well then, why did not Hitler gave the green parts to Poland? Why didn't he granted independence for the Kashubians and Wends?

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>>1870079
>nationalist Jewish soldiers of the Kaiser and the hard right Freikorps

Now there's an interesting book concept if I ever saw one.

>>1870079
>What does meaning lead by Jews mean exactly?
That Jews were largely and famously involved in the communist wing of the coup.

>>1870080
>It does.
Lol.
Source?

>According to Marx maybe.
We're talking about Marxism.

>>1870089
None of this changes the fact that the 1918 coup had a dramatic effect on the outcome of the war.

>>1870085
>>1870091
Are you talking about a globalist revolution by Hitler?
No?
Then you're talking beside the point entirely.

>>1870099
>that doesn't mean the fact that they are Jews proves anything about the revolution
This isn't a mathematical theorem.
Hitler felt that Jews were generally less loyal to the German state, and generally more inclined to follow globalist initiatives.

>>1870102
>lolno
"German" does not necessarily mean "of the German state".
"German" is also an ethnicity.

>Well then, why did not Hitler gave the green parts to Poland?
He might have.
Nazi Germany was always very clear about what areas were annexed, and what areas were "occupied".

>>1870061
>>1870047
>No it wasn't
Yes it was, practically 97% of all ethnic german land was left untouched, their heavy industry which was used to jump scale the militarization in 1934 was left untouched, their military cadre was reduced but otherwise left untouched.
The disgusting Germs should have been full on occupied dismantled, split into several states and forbidden from ever developing heavy industry ever again. Unfortunately the west needed a semi strong Germany in case of a bolshevik invasion so they left it relatively untouched.

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>>1870118
No, I'm talking about the Nazi revolution led by Hitler to try and take over Germany in spite of the legal German government. You know, the one he was convicted of treason for staging.

>>1870118
>Hitler felt that Jews were generally less loyal to the German state, and generally more inclined to follow globalist initiatives.

And why the fuck does Hitler matter in a thread about the October Revolution?

>>1870131
Correction: The November Revolution.

>>1869775
>How objectively true is this view in general:
Not even remotely.

You know who else revolted? Soldiers. Sailors. Right wingers. Heck even early nazis a while later.

You know why Germany capitulated? Because it had lost the war.

Then again you got me to respond so I give you a 7 out of 10.

>>1870129
>Yes it was
No, it wasn't.

Even Britain, the primary allied force, said the French were going overboard.

>>1870130
>I'm talking about the Nazi revolution led by Hitler to try and take over Germany

What about it?

>>1870138
So the Marxist coup attempt (largely led by Jews) had no effect on the outcome of WWI?

>>1870143
And look where that got them.

>>1870131
It's not an unreasonable idea in itself, is it?

Also, did you miss the OP pic?

>>1869775
>>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
How can you restore something which had never existed, as in how do you explain the implication that the area called "Sudetenland" -was somehow to be "restored in an "ethnic German" realm, seeing as throughout literally its entire existence until that point it had been a part of the Bohemian realm?

>>1870155
No.

>>1869994
>The Versailles was too harsh so it caused ww2 meme
Versailles wasn't harsh enough and made the fatal mistake of leaving Germany intact. One that was thankfully not repeated after the second world war.

>>1870035
>The other one being a Jewess.
Did you seriously refered to Rose Luxembourg a declared atheist and antitheist (yaas, antitheism inlcudes oposing judaism also) and one of the most relevant comunist writers, by the name of the religion her parents had, are you fucking stupid or something?

>>1870171
>How can you restore something which had never existed
>never existed

See >>1870047

>>1870175
lol, good one

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>>1869775
>without violence

He literally invaded Austria and posted troops at the polling stations of to make sure Austria didn't vote the wrong way. Even after he made it damn clear how they were supposed to vote.

>>1870118
>It does.
>A national geopolitical policy in which the entire world is regarded as the appropriate sphere for a state's influence.
Basically one state to rule them all, never met other defition desu.

But feel free to add your definiton

>>1870155
>>1870118
Look it's complicated to explain, but due to some power struggle shenanigans in the 1910's the Reichsheer had absolute primacy in all affairs of state, if the Army had wanted to continue the war they could have done that easily. The primary motivator for peace was first and foremost the German HQ, no matter how much they tried to coverbit up later with >muh civilian stab in the back.

>>1870152
How can Hitler be excused for his own revolution when he (supposedly) based his hatred of Jews on the Spartacist Uprising?

>>1870181
You appear to be confused, that is a map showing "language spread".

>>1870186
>, if the Army had wanted to continue the war they could have done that easily
I think a sort of a caveat needs to be added that what they might have "wanted to" and what they "could have" were two incredibly vastly different things by this point in 1918. As in they might have indeed easily wanted to, but all they actually could have done was lose.

>>1870180
Well yes.

Upbringing tends to have a massive influence on people.

>>1870184
No violence though.

>>1870185
So what's the source?

Here's Merriam-Webster for instance: "a national policy of treating the whole world as a proper sphere for political influence"

>>1870187
1) Hitler's "revolution" didn't interfere with any war Germany was involved in
2) the Spartacist Uprising was an inherently globalist effort (i.e. anti-nationalist)
3) I'm not trying to excuse anything, at the most add some nuance

>>1870191
"Ethnicity" is significantly determined by language.

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>>1870209
>No violence though.
>implying threats of violence aren't inherently violent

m8.
If someone shows you a gun and then demands your wallet, it's still a violent felony even if they never touch it.

>>1870118
>"German" does not necessarily mean "of the German state"
But "historically German does".

>He might have.
But he did not. Instead He attacked the rest of Poland and murdered its inhabitants by millions. I don´t why anyone should respect the "ethnohistorical" borders of Germans, when German state does not give a slightest fuck about "ethnohistorical borders" of other nations.

>>1870187
Because hitler was ethnic german for the most part; that is why his revolution, if you want to embellish street fights, was forgotten in the early 30's.

Hitler knew he could leverage the inbone hatred of Jews because it was such an old hatred. And jews look different from germans, which made it easy to pin it on them.

But you sound firmly convinced in your own anti semitic beliefs.

>>1870209
>"Ethnicity" is significantly determined by language.
That might in fact be the case, quite true.

However, what does it have to do with your implication that a "unity of ethnic German land" had existed previously in connection with the region later known as Sudetenland.

>>1869775
>was populism actually a well thought out plan and everyone else conniving devils
must have been that's the only explanation

>>1870209
>So what's the source?

Well, you've just listed one of them. But I am still waiting for the definiton of yours.

>>1870215
>But "historically German does".
No it doesn't, because "German" does not necessarily mean "of the German state".

>But he did not
But he might have.

>>1870218
>your implication that a "unity of ethnic German land" had existed previously
I made no such implication.

>>1870224
I asked for your source saying "globalism" automatically implies a "super-state".
My definition does not imply that, so where did you get your definition?

>>1870229
>But he might have.
He might have had been a good person, my doggo might have had gotten laid today, I might have had won the lottery...

>No it doesn't, because "German" does not necessarily mean "of the German state".
What's the difference between "historically German" and "ethnically German" then?

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>>1869775

Not true at all, here's a few "Why's":

>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
The army, not the jews, rebelled.

>Germany loses ethnic German land through sanctions
Arguably, but some of those lands were not german to begin with. See for instance parts of Poland which Prussia had annexed in the 18th century.

>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
Not true, Hitler had already set Germany on the course of re-armament using nothing but loans and putting the country heavily in debt. By annexing Austria and Sudetenland in particular he managed to capture natural resources and pillage the treasuries.
Furthermore, you're entirely ignoring his invasion of the rest of Slovakia which happened in 1939.

>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany for acting against the German nation (1918 coup) and in favor of globalism (Marxism)
In October 1941, emigration by jews was forbidden in Germany. So again, No.

>>1870247
>He might have had been a good person, my doggo might have had gotten laid today, I might have had won the lottery...

I'll give you an example: Flanders was occupied by Germany, and efforts were underway to create a Flemish government.
Of course this government would have been under the influence of Germany, but the idea was not to annex Flanders.
If that were the plan, there was nothing stopping Hitler.
Same with France and its Vichy govt.

>What's the difference between "historically German" and "ethnically German" then?
Lands that have been majority ethnically German for a considerable time, can be viewed as "historically German".

>>1870229
>I asked for your source saying "globalism" automatically implies a "super-state".
I surrender then, it is the definition me and my social circle uses in debates like "Global police vs. multipolar world" or when disscussing American influence in general. But I was not that far, was I?

I am still waiting for your definition btw

>>1870229
>I made no such implication.
>to restore unity of ethnic German land ... Sudetenland

>>1870274
What's wrong with superstates? Do you not love the human race enough to completely unify it? To harness all its resource and power as to secure our future survival?

>>1870265
>Flanders was occupied by Germany, and efforts were underway to create a Flemish government.

Well, in Poland there were efforts underway to destroy Polish nation and settle the land with Germans.

It's another "/pol/ hates Jews for trying to make the world a better place" thread

>>1870290
I agree that it's a obvious /pol/ bait thread, but historically speaking Communists have never left a society better off than what it was before they got power.

>>1870296
Its because their way of going about it is just as violent as the oppressers. Its the age old story of the oppressed becoming the oppressors.

Traditionalists need to embrace Marx or at least Bakunin or Proudhon. Abolishing the state and capitalism is necessary to end the factors which destroy tradition in the name of profit and domination.

>>1870209
>Well yes.

>Upbringing tends to have a massive influence on people.
Then its funny (and totally not biased, right?) how you consider her parents being jews as more relevant than the fact she was born on russia and her matern language was polish.
Note: she abandonded judaism before even going to germany so she was more polish/russian than jewish, but no mention on that, huh?

>>1870284
There was MORE German unity before WWI, especially towards Poland.
So he wanted to restore that, and then some.

If I had said "he wanted to ESTABLISH unity" I would have gotten "are you saying there was zero unity????".

>>1870311
It fits in the "Jews generally have an international mindset" thing.

>>1870288
I heard about that.

>>1870296
I disagree, actually. The Soviet Union, Cuba, and even Maoist China were better for the common people than the governments they replaced. Even those these states were tyrannical autocracies, the standard of living and life expectancy rose despite regional foot shortages caused by disastrous agricultural reforms.

External analyses of Cuba suggest that the poverty, infant mortality, and literacy rate are better than other Caribbean States.

The problem with these societies is not that they were socialist, but that they were autocratic.

>>1870315
You implied there was a "unity of ethnic German land" including "Sudetenland", and you still haven't explained why or how, seeing as no such unity had ever existed.

>>1870327

This is true.

>>1870315
No. Stop trying to revise history. By unifying the german people, hitler ment enslaving, again, the slavs, murdering dissenters. Euthanizing the handicap, mentally ill. You see, Apologizing for the nazis is a useless endeavor. They were objectively evil.

>>1870296
As much of a shithole as it was, the Soviets did improve Russian Empire/Russia/Soviet Union.

You really ought to focus on them shitting everything up in the long run, which is what they do, rather than being unable to improve upon existing conditions - seeing as that is literally what they had done. The Russian Empire wasn't nice. The (early) SU was somewhat nicer.

>>1870332
There is ethnic unity among ethnicities.

>>1870327
>communist Russia was better for the common man than Tsarist Russia
>Maoist China was better for the common man than pre-Maoist China
Oh boy.

>>1870342
I'm going to stay away from emotional appeals, sorry.

>>1870355
It's not emotive. It is objective. I bet the nazi govt could find a gentic flaw in you then extort you. How is this emotional?

>>1870327
>I disagree, actually. The Soviet Union, Cuba, and even Maoist China were better for the common people than the governments they replaced

Sure, but that's not a good argument, because the comparison you are drawing is between a repressive and autocratic imperial theocracy(Russia) on the one hand, and a hypermodernistic and materialistic command economy on the other.

The Soviet Union, Cuba and Maoist China would all be vastly better off if they turned into democratic capitalist states like America during those days.

>>1870366
>It's not emotive. It is objective.
No it's not.

You say they were "evil" for instance for alleged intentions to euthanize handicapped and mentally ill, but that is part of contemporary and geographical morals.

Would you say Papuans are "evil" for eating their slain foes?
Would you say Western women are "evil" for aborting perfectly healthy children?

>>1870355
>>communist Russia was better for the common man than Tsarist Russia
it was

>>1870325
I think many European Jews definitely had an international mindset, but I don't see why that's a bad thing.

Due to the international nature of the Jewish community and the exclusion of Jews by many European states, lots of Jews in the early 20th century did not really feel part of their country. This is especially true in Poland, where 10% of the country was made up of Jews who mostly lived in segregated rural villages.

Ironically, Jews in Germany were probably the most assimilated in Europe, even more-so than in Britain. At the onset of WW2, 25% of the Jews who had not yet left Germany had a non-Jewish parent or grandparent. A whopping 65% of Jewish newlyweds in 1932 were married to Christians. (Voigtländer and Voth, 2006.) There's no evidence to suggest that German Jews in the Weimar Republic were to any extent anti-German.

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>>1870355

>>1870381
Except for the dozens of millions of planned dead, right?

>>1870384
>I think many European Jews definitely had an international mindset, but I don't see why that's a bad thing.
Like with everything, there are downsides and upsides.

>>1870407
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

>>1870327
Socialist stares are often better than what they supplant, but that's usually because communist revolution erupt in poor countries with undemocratic governments. But I'm not even sure if intermediate objectives should be discussed.

The goal of the communists in Russia and China and Cuba wasn't "state socialism", it was stateless communism.

>>1870422
*States, not stares, haha

>>1870380
>alleged

Spotted the lunatic. Stop projecting your emotions; i.e. Calling other people emotional even though you have irrational feeling for nazis. They lost get over it. And there is an objective evil; obviously you are not mature enough to realize its reality.

>>1870370

>but historically speaking Communists have never left a society better off than what it was before they got power.

Do you have a reading problem, or a thinking problem? Not even him, but if you're arguing as to why Communists have left a society better off than it was before they took power, comparing to how they would have hypothetically done if they turned into a liberal democracy is meaningless, and the shitty state that they were in is in fact part and parcel as to why they improved things.

>>1870418
There weren't dozens of millions of planned dead. Under Stalin, a million people were executed or died under gulag abuse. This is a horrific number and Stalin was still a monstrous dictator, but "dozens of millions" is absurd and unfounded.

Top secret documents between the Politburo members show that Stalin had no intention of letting Ukrainians and Kazakhs starve. He believed that the supply of grain to urban factories could not be slowed, and put far too much faith in the ability of his cadres to prevent famine and in the ability of peasants to adjust to communal plantation production.

>>1870443
Yeah, and my point was that if you exchange a autocratic dictatorship with another dictatorship not much as changed you moron, except what you can say out loud before incurring the wrath of the state, and what kind of statues you see propagandized all around you.

The *only* positive was that a command economy is more efficient than a serfdom. But not by much.

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>>1870468

Thinking problem, got it.

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>>1870473

>>1870441
>being this upset

>>1870380
Yea to the paupans. No to the woman. But it is objectively relative. So the objective comes first. Women who abort on account of irresponsibility are evil; but no where fucking near the scale of the nazis. Evil can be measured.

>>1870498
I have a blank face right now.

>>1870506
>Yea to the paupans. No to the woman.
This is entirely subjective.

>no where fucking near the scale of the nazis.
Abortions killed many many many more than the nazis ever did.

>>1870506
Are those women more evil than the ones who knowingly emotionally and physically abuse children by being extremely irresponsible parents to them?

>>1870509
Now calm down your butthurt as well.

>>1870492


No, it's not an argument, and if you knew what arguments were for, you wouldn't raise such an idiotic objection. Consequently, you have further reinforced my judgment that there is something wrong with your brain.

But let me spell it out for you, in the hope that you will learn something today.


>Initial claim: No communist regime has ever left a society better than it took power >>1870296

>Denial of claim and presentation of countering evidence >>1870327

>Shifting of argument: Because the initial society was repressive and autocratic, and the Communist society didn't do as well as a hypothetical democratic society, it doesn't count for some reason. >>1870370

>Me entering the thread and calling you an idiot.>>1870443

>You reinforcing your point that it doesn't count >>1870468


You fundamentally failed to prove the initial point, that "No communist society has ever left a society better off than what it was before they got power"

Claiming that they were shitty before only provides a basis of comparison as to what it was before they took power.

Claiming that they would do better under an alternate system doesn't impact the argument, because that was not the parameters entered.

YOU made an argument. A shitty argument, which is why it got holes poked in it quite quickly. Dismantling an arugment rarely requires a new argument.

If I were to make an argument, it would be that your continuing pushing of an ideological narrative to support an inaccurate factual claim demonstrates that you aren't very smart; which is both an argument, and an accurate one I think.

Go back to /pol/ now, where you'll find people more of your IQ level to play with.

>>1870523
Still blank.

>>1870520
No.

>>1870537
>you're a lunatic!
>you're projecting!
>you're irrational!
>get over it!
>you're not mature enough!

Yeah, you sound way calm.

>>1870528
>it would be that your continuing pushing of an ideological narrative to support an inaccurate factual claim

And what ideological narrative is that, you paranoid loser?

>>1870557

Well, considering the posting of molyneaux and the statement in post >>1870370 that

>The Soviet Union, Cuba and Maoist China would all be vastly better off if they turned into democratic capitalist states like America during those days.

I would hazard that you're either a miniarchist or a full blown an-cap, hence the retreat to a position of

>Well, it would have been even better if they had been democratic capitalists.


In any event, you have not demonstrated the factual claim, and cannot in fact do so.

>>1870603
I did concede that it was better in one way than the previous society, e.g my admission that a command economy was more efficient and is thus preferable to a serfdom.

But the Soviet Union existed for 70 years. And I am not sure 70 years of misery and authoritarianism was worth that increase in GDP.

Lets just say I'm agnostic on that point.

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>mfw fascism will forever be at the bottom of the barrel of ideologies
>mfw fascists will always be bigger failures than the communists they hate so much

>>1870671
Not in my book. You're both cancerous ideologues.

>>1870528
Posts like this are so fun to read

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I don't even know if people are trolling or just historically illiterate when they make these threads. Pro-fucking-tip: 4chan is a great place for the discussion of certain topics, not quite so much for becoming educated in them.

>>1870677
You should learn to read. Communism is a less spectacular failure, but Fascists are at the bottom of the totem pole and likely always will be
Unless there's an anarchist here they can victimize

>>1870720
Their tactics are so similar, that it really doesn't matter to me at all. They're both to eager to use violence to further their cause, and it doesn't matter to me if someone I care about is killed or harmed by a Fascist or a Communist, what I care about is them being harmed or not.

>>1869789
>jews hijack a revolution
>this somehow makes them innocent

to the ovens with you

>>1870706
I blame the "redpill me on x" meme.

>>1870671
>implying fascism wasn't the de facto rule of law throughout most of human history, especially historic empires
>implying the US wasn't a fascist state at its peak with its segregation and whatnot

>>1870706
You should actually read some of these posts.
People were making all kinds of illogical inferences fallacies. Not to mention the blatant ignorance.
And I'm not talking about the OP either.

If you ask me, Hitler was the last huzzah against globalism, which was then and is now being pushed by the left, and in no small part by Jews.

>>1869781
Zetkin wasn't even Jewish lol

>>1871144
>If you ask me

I didn't, OP.

>>1871144
>If you ask me, Hitler was the last huzzah against globalism, which was then and is now being pushed by the left, and in no small part by Jews.
How does that fit with the general trend of social democracies in the West at least in the 20th century being protectionist and the right being economically liberal and very big on pushing free trade?

>>1869775
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
Wrong right off the bat. Numerous forces were at play in the turmoil of 1918-1919. The Revolution was a communist and socialist one. Spearheaded by some nonpracticing ethnic jews but a majority were ethnic Germans.
>Germany capitulates
Not due to the coup no. German forces completely routed after the Spring Offensive.
>Germany loses ethnic German land through sanctions
Eh.. Not entirely true. The Sudetenland was mostly German yes.
>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
No Violence very much happened and was very much planned. Hitler was going to invade Czechoslovakia for the Sudetenland, but would've been overthrown by his Generals had this happened.
>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany for acting against the German nation (1918 coup) and in favor of globalism (Marxism)
Nope. Wrong. Considering Hitler signed off on campaigns and massacres like Baba Yar, this is false. Blood is very much on his hands.

>>1869793
A Non-aggression pact with Hitler left Stalin free to expand in the Baltics and Finland

>>1872930
>Numerous forces were at play in the turmoil of 1918-1919.
Never said the Jews were alone.

>Not due to the coup no.
Never said only due to the coup.

>Violence very much happened
The annexations of Austria and Sudetenland for instance were virtually bloodless.

>Nope. Wrong.
Even as late as summer of 1940, there were specific plans to deport the Jews to Madagascar for instance. With Hitler openly approving.

>Hitler signed off on campaigns and massacres like Baba Yar
Source?
Legit question.

>>1869775
I find it quiet interestining who the Dolchstoßlegende changed to excluisive jewish "revolution" (the main revolts of the Spartakusbund happend in 1919 and weren't against Willy but against Ebert because the Spd formed the new republik and not the Spartakusbund/later Kpd) and so not only justify the antirepublikan sentiments of the DVNP and NSDAP but also the Holocaust and WWII

>>1873825

>virtually bloodless

But all form of resistance was met by gestapo. Also, germans annexed the rest of slovakia later.

>>1873917
>excluisive jewish "revolution"
Who said that?

>>1873922
>germans annexed the rest of slovakia later.
Wrong.
They invaded and occupied, but never annexed.
Those areas were officially split up into a protectorate and a client state.

>>1870171
>>1870218
>>1870284
>>1870332

>Sudetenland
>never part of a Germanic unity

It was part of Austria before WWI you ignorant fucks.

>>1870528
Not him, but I think you haven't even disproved the original statement. Even if a command economy is little more effective than an authoritarian (which also isn't a fair comparison as you compare an earlier stage of authoritarian rule with a later period where communism started with all the scientific and technological emprovement in life, health care and so on - so all of your arguments in favor of comminism are hypothetical; in fact if you wanted to prove this statement, I think you should prove that communist Sovietunion was beter off than the contemporary authoritarian Spain, Portugal or Greece, now good luck with that), all of your arguments become mute when every communist system faces the inavitable economic collapse.

>>1872849
>forgetting the context of communist threat in the Cold War Era which enabled social democratic parties and welfare states in the West
Have you noticed since communism collapsed there is practically no difference in left vs right anymore? All mainstream parties are pushing globalism, it doesn't matter if they are left or right. Only outsiders stand up to them like UKIP, Trump and some right wing parties throughout Europe, for which they are labeled populist, racist and literally Hitler.

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>>1869851
He looks Jewish to me.

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>>1869775
>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany
What did he mean by this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fl8AykFqo

In a somewhat unrelated matter, keep in mind that 40,000 jews VOLUNTEERED to fight on behalf of the German Empire during World War I. Of the estimated 100,000 German Jews who ultimately served under the German flag, 12,000 gave their lives.

pic is my cat after he caught a bird, but I made him drop it and the bird flew away

>>1873979
>the elimination of the Jewish race from Europe

This can be done by deportation as well.

Like the Hitler-approved Madagascar plan from summer of 1940.

>>1873961
He looks Indian/Indonesian though.

>>1873961
His mother was likely Jewish, "Reh" was a common Jewish name in Cz.

>>1873981
>deporting Jews to Madagascar
It might as well been the moon since both had about the same chance of occurring. It was simply another of Hitler's pie in the sky ideas not grounded in reality.

>>1873996
Hitler wasn't even the architect of that plan.
This guy was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_de_Lagarde
One of the most esteemed orientalists of his time.

Hitler was barely involved in that plan, he just approved it.

>>1869775
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
The coup was done under other considerations, not defined by being jewish.
>therefore
Not therefore, Germany capitulated because of a legion of reasons, the failed coup being one of many.
>Germany capitulates therefore Germany loses ethnic German land through sanctions
Not through sanctions, but through the negotiated peace deal.
>Hitler wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
Among other land. He wanted more land, including some with germans in it, but not exclusively.
>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany for acting against the German nation (1918 coup) and in favor of globalism (Marxism)
Wanting to deport german citizens (and they were german citizens) because other people of their ethnic backgrounds did something 20 years ago is retarded. Confiscating their private property is retarded. Forcing them into camps to perform slave labor is retarded. Killing them off when the war is lost so that others don't notice slave labor was used is retarded. Hitler was retarded.

>>1873996
i wouldn't say that, around 1900 there were lots of diferent locations under consideration for a future jewish homestat. YOu even see threats about that from time to time in here.

>>1869978
>any person does something bad
Wow, that guy is bad.
>a jew does something bad
Wow, jews are bad.

>>1874026
>all these semantics

Jesus Christ.

>>1874028
It makes sense that a self-professed ethnicity-in-exile like Jews, Gypsies, ... would generally be less loyal to the host nation, and more inclined to follow globalist ideologies.

>>1874039
>therefore basically just means "unrelatedly, even temporally preceding" guys, don't argue over semantics!

>>1874044
Are you saying the Marxist efforts in the 1918 coup attempt had no causative effect on the outcome of WWI?

>>1874043
So it would also make sense that Jews would volunteer less for the German army than their percentage of the pop would imply.

But they volunteered more than non-jews.

So just "making sense" at a hunch doesn't seem to be a good metric to go by.

>>1874046
Abso-fucking-utely, have you looked at all at the statistics of Entente and the Axis? At Austria and the Ottomans? at the timeline of mutiny, riots, mass-surrenders and I don't know, the November revolution, compared to the spartacus revolt?

>>1874052
>Abso-fucking-utely
Then you're a retard.

>b-b-but look at these other things that also affected the outcome!
Lol.

-Paul, James, and Frank teased Bill until he cried.
-Because James and Frank teased Bill, that means Paul did not contribute to Bill crying.

>>1874048
There are many reasons why Jews would volunteer.
For one thing, the Jews had a thing for Austria-Hungary, also for a variety of reasons.

>>1869775

>German Jews

Communists, whose leadership was large percentage Jewish.

>attempt coup

Revolution,

>in 1918

January 1919.

The Spartacist Uprising of 1919 was against the Weimar Republic, not the German Empire, since the latter ended months ago.


>therefore Germany capitulates

They already did in 1918. Germany had no chance of winning the war after spring 1918.

>therefore Germany loses ethnic German land through sanctions

Throught a peace treaty. I have no idea what do you mean by "sanctions".


>Enter: Hitler
>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)

...then he annexed the rest of Chezchslovakia, then half of Poland...

>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from Germany

Yes. But apperently, he later decided he was fine with extermination, too.

>for acting against the German nation (1918 coup)

See above.

>and in favor of globalism (Marxism)

Most Jews weren't.

>>1874137
Again with the semantics.

>>1874079
>Frank cut off Jesse's head, while Jessica blew lightly towards Jesse's neck, starting to do so halfway throught he decapitation and only really getting to empty her lungs when the head was already off.

Frank and Jessica are both murderers

>>1874087
that's the point. Just because something "would make sense" doesn't make it an explanation. In something as complex as history, it's barely decernable from a random guess.

>>1874145
again with calling blatant problems in the timeline "semantics"

>>1874157
>mounting of a violent coup attempt by a largely Jewish-led organization with 360,000 members = lightly blowing towards the neck

>>1874160
Jews in general actively separate themselves from whatever host society they are in, and portray themselves as a people in exile.

It is very logical that they (in general) would have lesser loyalty to their host nation.

This does not preclude them from having loyalty, or even fighting for their host nation, for whatever reason.

>>1874145

I just proved that the Jews are not responsible for Germany losing the war, and Hitler was wrong collectively persecuting them.
You are asking us whether the Nazi historical narrative is false or not.
It is.

>>1874177
>I just proved that the Jews are not responsible for Germany losing the war

The Marxist efforts in the German Revolution were partly responsible for the way in which Germany lost the war.

>>1874179
The war was lost even by the time the Imperial Navy plans for a 'suicide cruise' triggered widespread mutiny which fomented civil unrest. Hence the suicide cruise.

>>1874179
The Marxist revolutions were responsible for the Naval Blockade of Germany, the Hundred Days offensive and the utter collapse of Austria-Hungary as a nation-state?

>>1874164
>i-it's not a coup, it's a revolution!
KPD tried to take control of government, that makes it at least partly a coup.

>n-not Jews, but communists led largely by Jews!
Obviously.

Hence: semantics.

There are also factual problems with your rebuttal here: >>1874137

>...then he annexed the rest of Chezchslovakia, then half of Poland...
He didn't annex those areas, he OCCUPIED them.
His plan was to annex only the ethnic Germanic areas, which is a major part of the point.

>>1874183
>>1874184
>partly responsible for the way in which Germany lost the war
is what I said.

I can understand if English is not your first language, but you should at least have some humility to keep from making fools of yourselves like this.

>>1869775
Why would jews even want to switch to socialism?

Isn't capitalism the most suitable system for them?

>>1874194
Communist/socialist leadership is inherently extremely powerful. And rich.

>>1874197
But capitalism is objectively richer, and with capitalism the jews can stay out of the spotlight and indirectly control things.

>>1874200
You don't have to stay out of the spotlight if it's pretty much illegal for people to denounce you.
Jewish media ownership in the US is certainly not "out of the spotlight", it's pretty much mainstream at this point.

>>1874192
The Spartacist uprising happened in 1919. Le meme macro focuses on the spartacist uprising despite being labelled with "German revolution 1918-1919". The sailors triggered widespread civil unrest. The German army's morale crashed during the 100 days. To say that
>"The Marxist efforts in the German Revolution were partly responsible for the way in which Germany lost the war"
is such a huge concession going from pushing the stabbed in the back myth with the Spartacists as evidence. Civil unrest was massive, military unrest was massive, scary jewish socialists were but a fragment of the German collapse.

>>1874192
The breakfast Hindenburg had on the morning of June the 2nd 1917 was a part of the cause of the end of WW1. You're just using weasel words, since "a part" means nothing.

>>1874210
>The Spartacist uprising happened in 1919.
Shit was popping off before that; Eisner (Jewish socialist who is also in the "meme macro") took control of Bavaria in November 1918.

>>1874219
>random breakfast has the same influence on war as actual armed internal revolution
What's wrong with you?

>>1874224
It was just as equally "partly responsible" for the outcome of the war, unless you're going to say that there is some numerical value to "partly responsible."

>>1874224
>Shit was popping off before that
And a huge amount of that shit was propagated by sailors, but they are nowhere to be seen in the standard /pol/ narrative.

>>1874230
So the (Jewish) socialist efforts were insignificant?

Eisner taking control of fucking Bavaria was nothing?

Country-wide violence perpetrated by a socialist movement with 360k membership and outspoken nation-wide ambitions was insignificant?

>>1874232
First of all, I accept your concession of ignorance on the timeline of Jewish involvement.

Second, just because non-Jews were involved doesn't mean Jews weren't involved.

>>1874043
So your proof that ITS DA JOOS is that ITS THAT JOOS THO. The lack of self awareness is striking.

>>1874248
My proof of significant Jewish involvement, is the significant Jewish involvement, yes.

>>1874230
>>1874237
>A country that was still able to win was pushed into a crushing defeat within 3 days.

Eisner wasn't even Premier long enough yet for it to have any affect on the overall war effort

>>1874255
See >>1874192

And there was more going on in the way of Jewish involvement than Eisner.

>>1869799
And Barbarossa was a joke.

>>1874254
How does significant jewish involvement in cinema, tv, dentistry, surgery, banking or jewelry make you feel?

>>1874261
But we are arguing right now about how it's not significant. The Hindenburg breakfast comes to mind. With and without bavaria, a war riddled Germany without any allies, a broken Hindenburg line and mutinying sailors goes to the same defeat at roughly the same time with and without da joos.

>>1874267
dentistry is responsibe for hitler

Nope, everyone know Hitler was Jew agent.

>>1874267
I certainly acknowledge their involvement. Don't you?

>>1874271
You do know that the Spartacus League for instance was founded in 1915 right?

>>1874306
>You do know that the Spartacus League for instance was founded in 1915 right?
So all that time and they couldn't make a show of themselves until 1919?

>>1874309
But they did.

How much longer are you going to make me spoonfeed you?

>>1874306
>You do know that the Spartacus League for instance was founded in 1915 right?

Yes. I do know that. And it interestingly is the first time this thread you've mentioned it. It's like you are researching as you type.

The Jewish Bolshevists spread their ideology over to Europe. Marxist-Leninst revolutionaries (which just so happened to be Jewish; funny how Jewish crimes are downplayed, yet alleged crimes against Jews are over-exaggerated. It is because they were the victims, and not the perpetrators) attempted to overthrow the government, but failed. Nationalism, much like today, was frowned upon in Germany, but some true patriots decided to re-vitalize their nation and bring back glory, honour, and might, which they did. The ZOG was broken, and the neighbouring nations hated this, as they were still infected with the ZOG and the (((media))) (just like today; noteworthy parallels, indeed).

sorry for being bigoted, I have just been informed of hate speech laws and I am sorry. Being white is bad because of the evil history of nazi fascist racist dummies. we need open borders because we are all immigrants, the media never lies to us and we fought against the bad guys.

>>1874348
>Yes. I do know that.
Then I accept your apology for claiming that Jewish/Marxist involvement only happened 3 days before the end of the war.

>the first time this thread you've mentioned it
I said numerous times (including 21 hours ago at the start of the thread), there was more going on in terms of Marxism than merely the Spartacus rebellion of 1919, or Eisner's Bavarian coup of November 1918.

>>1874351
fix: sorry for being shitposter

>>1869775
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
This isn't exactly true. German communists (and some non-German communists, most notably Rosa Luxemburg) attempted a revolution in 1918. Many of which were Jews, most of which were regular Germans. Also Germany had already pretty much lost the war by the time the revolution happened. As a matter of fact had they not been losing there wouldn't be a revolution.

Saying "Jews did it" is a misrepresentation of what happened. Communists did it, lots of Jews just happen to be communists.

>>wants to deport (not exterminate) Jews from German
Well he did try to exterminate them.

>>1874384
??? what are you going on about
Proportionally speaking, Jews made up most of the positions of power, from the judicial sectors to finances, to media (just like today!).
They broke down social structure and shilled into normalcy increasingly degenerate mindsets (just like today!).
Jews are like flies attracted to the dung that is Marxism-Leninism. This is because the masses become cattle even more so than normal.
How can you be a historian but only accept the cases you want to?

"You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

>>1874392
>Saying "Jews did it" is a misrepresentation of what happened. Communists did it, lots of Jews just happen to be communists.
But nobody said "ONLY Jews did it".

>Well he did try to exterminate them.
After he tried to deport them.

afaik there is also zero evidence that Hitler was even aware, let alone involved in the extermination of Jews.

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned.

Hitler was one of many soldiers who felt particularly betrayed by the surrender in 1918 because of German propaganda, which had been telling Germans the lie that Germany was winning.

>>1873961
So does Goebbels but that doesn't make him a Jew

>>1874407
>Proportionally speaking, Jews made up most of the positions of power, from the judicial sectors to finances, to media (just like today!).
>They broke down social structure and shilled into normalcy increasingly degenerate mindsets (just like today!).
Same thing can apply to the asians(less the commie part) in white(with more commie bullshit) society or whites in black society.

/pol/ falseflag ou /leftypol/ falseflag.

>>1874046
The war was over by then. The German Empire had already collected, the army was in retreat and lacking supply, and the new republican government was incredibly unwilling to keep fighting successive invasions that they would be unable to repel.

>>1874428
>whites in black society
Internationally recognized as evil.

>asians
Only in their own countries.

>>1874415
>But nobody said "ONLY Jews did it".
What OP said, was "Jews did it".

Most Jews didn't do it, and lots of non-Jews did do it. The "Jews" didn't do it, communists did it. That's the greater unifying identity and motive behind the German revolution, communism.

This is my point, trying to make it out to be Jewish thing is a deliberate misrepresentation.

>After he tried to deport them.
They didn't try very hard given that they got much farther into carrying out the extermination plan than they did the resettlement plan.

>>1874436
1) Marxist/Jewish efforts had been going on longer than that
2) it still influenced how the war was ended.

>>1874428
Asians are the majority of the world population, Chinese ethnic groups make up 1.8 billion people. Jews are 0.2% world population, 2% US population. It would follow that they would not, say, make up most of the Fed chairmen, or be admitted at amazing rates to the Ivy league. Asians have the highest IQ, which would follow that they should have the higher admission rates. But they do not, by a factor MUCH higher (this would mean Jews are inhumanly smart, which is not true. I'm talking 5x, 6x in some cases, like Harvard). Nepotism and (((donations))), of course.
Whites are majority in their own nations, this is not a good example.

>>1874441
>What OP said, was "Jews did it".
Doesn't mean ONLY Jews, doesn't mean ALL Jews.

>They didn't try very hard
They were kinda busy fighting all over Europe and Russia.

>>1874439
>only in their own countries

Asians are the wealthiest racial group in America. Surveys of wealth and religion suggest Hindus are richer than Jews.

Hell, 6% of our governors are Hindu.

>>1874446
>Doesn't mean ONLY Jews, doesn't mean ALL Jews.
It strongly implies it was a co-ordinated Jewish effort.

And if you're trying to suggest he was just pointing out that some Jews happened to be involved without any intention of implying anything antisemitic then what's the point of saying it? You could just as easily say Jews attempted the Napoleonic wars, since more than likely there were some Jews among the Grand Army.

But of course that's not what OP meant. He did was in fact trying to suggest it was a coordinated Jewish effort.

>They were kinda busy fighting all over Europe and Russia.
Right.
Too busy to think of somewhere besides Madagascar to send them.
Not too busy to build and staff camps all over Europe. Then arrange to find and relocate all the Jews there.

>>1874442
What "Marxist/Jewish efforts" are you talking about?

Also, you're retarded for acting as if those words are synonymous. The vast majority of Jews played no role in the revolution, and the majority of communist fighters were not Jews. They were German workers, Protestant and Catholic and Jewish and irreligious alike.

You also mist admit that the man largely responsible for crushing the revolution and murdering the Spartacist activists -- Walter Rathenau -- was Jewish.

With Jews, you Lose

same Marxist revolutionaries as the previous Jews, they just realized violence was weaker than subversion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhI8YPmTAw8

>>1874464
>if you're trying to suggest he was just pointing out that some Jews happened to be involved without any intention of implying anything antisemitic then what's the point of saying it?
This has been brought up a number of times itt: the Jews (due to their "people-in-exile" identity) are often generally more inclined to follow globalists beliefs.

>Too busy to think of somewhere besides Madagascar to send them.
There were blockades and such.
The Jewish thing got minimal attention at that point.

>>1874502
>This has been brought up a number of times itt: the Jews (due to their "people-in-exile" identity) are often generally more inclined to follow globalists beliefs.

Yes, it has come up before, and your line of thinking to arrive there has been shown to be shoddy before.

>>1874473
>What "Marxist/Jewish efforts" are you talking about?
The ones undertaken by Marxists/Jews in Germany.

>you're retarded for acting as if those words are synonymous
What words?
Marxist and Jewish?

I never acted as if those words are synonymous.

On the contrary, I have been repeating many times that I never said "ALL Jews" or "ONLY Jews".

It's about time for you to fuck off with your dumb shit.

>>1874507
No it hasn't.

In fact, people even agreed.

>>1874502
>This has been brought up a number of times itt: the Jews (due to their "people-in-exile" identity) are often generally more inclined to follow globalists beliefs.
Except that doesn't at all relate to my point.

You're saying that Jews are more likely to have globalist beliefs, and of those who do many of them are likely to be communists. Okay, I can accept that.

So how does this translate to mean Jews did the German revolution?

>There were blockades and such.
Yes, and Germany invaded quite a lot of land on continental Europe. There was a lot to choose from out of prospective new Jewish homelands. Especially given the Nazis were eyeing up the lions share of it for their own colonization.

>The Jewish thing got minimal attention at that point.
Except the extermination part, that got quite a lot of attention.

>>1874189

>KPD tried to take control of government, that makes it at least partly a coup.

Fine, you can call it coup if you want. By the way, Hitler tried a coup once, too.

>n-not Jews, but communists led largely by Jews!
>Obviously.

No.
You are intentionally combining vague wording with straight lies to make it sound like "the Jews" conspired to take down Germany when it was winning the war. This is exactly how propaganda works. Soviet historiography did the same thing: they made it look like the Bolsheviks took down the Tsar in October, when they only took down the Provisional Government.

>>1874519
>So how does this translate to mean Jews did the German revolution?
Jews were part of the German revolution, is all that was ever said.

>Yes, and Germany invaded quite a lot of land on continental Europe. There was a lot to choose from out of prospective new Jewish homelands.
Hitler specifically didn't want them in Europe.

>Except the extermination part, that got quite a lot of attention.
No it really didn't.
There isn't a single document even involving Hitler for instance, although he was involved in literally everything, from the smallest military maneuver to the development of small arms.

>>1874543
>By the way, Hitler tried a coup once, too.
Yes, and?

>You are intentionally combining vague wording with straight lies to make it sound like "the Jews" conspired to take down Germany when it was winning the war.
Or maybe I was trying to make a generalized, succinct OP instead of a wall of text to add every little nuance just so I could assuage your raging autism?

>>1874549
>Jews were part of the German revolution, is all that was ever said.
No, what was said was
>>German Jews attempt coup in 1918

>Hitler specifically didn't want them in Europe.
Yes, I already know that he would rather them dead than in Europe. I'm just trying to point out why silly the attempts to whitewash this are.

>No it really didn't.
It got the attention it needed given that it successfully annihilated half the Jewish population.

>but Hitler wasn't involved
And?

>>1874570
>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
Which they did.
I don't have to mention everyone else who is involved.

>attempts to whitewash this
It's a fact that the plan was first to deport them.

>>1874589
>Which they did.
If you'd to revisit this argument feel free to read the preceding posts.

But I'll take the fact that you tried to weasel out of this before just going back to square one and ignoring my arguments to mean you're not overly confident in your own case.

>It's a fact that the plan was first to deport them.
I know, but that doesn't at all relate to my point. And once again you're just going back to square one and ignoring the entire preceding argument.

On a side note I've noticed that /pol/ use this tactic almost constantly.

>>1874510
>blatant tautology from a clinical retard

Unsurprising. Tell me exactly which prewar actions you're rambling about and why they were wrong.

>>1872930
>Wrong right off the bat. Numerous forces were at play in the turmoil of 1918-1919. The Revolution was a communist and socialist one. Spearheaded by some nonpracticing ethnic jews but a majority were ethnic Germans.

Hitler was against Jews, Communists, and Socialists. Jews mostly because they belonged to the latter two groups.

>>1874554

>Yes, and?

It is obvious that the aim of your OP text is to demonize Jews and idolize Hitler. Yet, the very thing you are accusing German Jews of - trying to overthrow the Weimar Republic - was also attempted by Hitler a few years later.

>Or maybe I was trying to make a generalized, succinct OP instead of a wall of text to add every little nuance just so I could assuage your raging autism?

What you were describing in the OP is the repeatedly debunked stormfag historical narrative in which a Jewish "coup" is responsible for Germany losing the war, while presenting Hitler as a gud boi who dindu nuffin. This isn't a succint generalization. This is simply a lie.

I must ask you: why did you make this thread? You have already made up your mind, and do not seem to care about any counterarguments.

>>1874589
so the OP is objectively wrong.

>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
is true after your extremely broad definition but the
>therefore Germany capitulates
isn't true, true would be:

>because of the larger group they were a small part of Germany capituates
would be

since there the chain is broken, your reasoning is faulty

>>1874613
>If you'd to revisit this argument feel free to read the preceding posts.
>But I'll take the fact that you tried to weasel out of this before just going back to square one and ignoring my arguments to mean you're not overly confident in your own case.
Are you saying Jewish Marxists weren't involved in the general German unrest?

>I know, but that doesn't at all relate to my point.
But it does.
You said the Germans didn't "try very hard" to actually deport the Jews as planned, but the reality is that the circumstances made such a massive deportation impossible.

This isn't whitewashing.

>>1874626
>please spoonfeed me the easily researched actions of parties repeated many times in this thread

How about no.

>>1874681
how about this is transparent obscurantism?

>>1874662
>It is obvious that the aim of your OP text is to demonize Jews and idolize Hitler. Yet, the very thing you are accusing German Jews of - trying to overthrow the Weimar Republic - was also attempted by Hitler a few years later.
1) the 1918-1919 German revolution (and related prior events) influenced the ongoing German war.
2) the Marxist/Jewish efforts were inherently globalistic, and therefore anti-nationalistic

>in which a Jewish "coup" is responsible for Germany losing the war
*partly

>>1874674
Maybe I could have added "partly" to a bunch of lines in the OP.

That would be for clarification purposes only though.

>>1874689
>I'm going to call you names if you don't do what I say!
Ok.

>>1874691
so what you're saying is bald people are responsible for the Holocaust?

>>1874698
>>I'm going to call you names if you don't do what I say!
>Ok.
I'm not the guy that told you to do something and I didn't call you any names. All I'm saying is that you're arguing to defend a conclusion, not an argument.

Here's name calling: You're a faggot that uses "name calling" as something negative on 4chan because he thinks it woud help the way his point is percieved.

>>1874676
>Are you saying Jewish Marxists weren't involved in the general German unrest?
I'll refer you to what I said the first time this came up

>This isn't exactly true. German communists (and some non-German communists, most notably Rosa Luxemburg) attempted a revolution in 1918. Many of which were Jews, most of which were regular Germans. Also Germany had already pretty much lost the war by the time the revolution happened. As a matter of fact had they not been losing there wouldn't be a revolution.

>Saying "Jews did it" is a misrepresentation of what happened. Communists did it, lots of Jews just happen to be communists.

I'd also like to bring attention to something anon said about this exact topic
>You are intentionally combining vague wording with straight lies to make it sound like "the Jews" conspired to take down Germany when it was winning the war. This is exactly how propaganda works

You're deliberately trying to make a certain point, then whenever confronted on it you shrink away and acted like you implied no such thing. Then go on to imply that exact thing shortly afterwards. Of course now that you've been confronted on this you're going to deny it, before immediately going back to doing it.

I'm not sure if this is an ego thing to try and get the last word or if you're intentionally using these disingenuous tactics to try and reach any lurking anons reading. But you're not trying to legitimately debate, that much is clear.

>but the reality is that the circumstances made such a massive deportation impossible.
The reality of the circumstances being that the Nazis would rather them dead than living anywhere in Europe. Yes I've already acknowledged those circumstances, I'm just telling you that you're a fool if you think that in any way whitewashes what they did.

And yes, it is whitewashing. You're deliberately trying to exonerate Hitler. As is your repeated insistence on saying Hitler didn't know, even when it's not relevant .

>>1874709
You asked me about the actions undertaken by Marxist Jews prior to the November revolution.

This information is widely available, and has too large a scope for me to have to spoonfeed you.

>>1874699
"bald" is not an ideology.

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>>1874742
>"bald" is not an ideology.
pure semantics

>This information is widely available, and has too large a scope for me to have to spoonfeed you.

Again, I don't want it spoonfed, and again, you're working the auditorium and not the argument.

>>1874738
>I'll refer you to what I said the first time this came up
I'm assuming you said they were indeed involved.

>You're deliberately trying to make a certain point, then whenever confronted on it you shrink away and acted like you implied no such thing.
Just because Jews were involved, doesn't mean nobody else was.

Do you think Hitler/nazis/anti-communists/... just disregarded any communist co-conspirators who weren't Jews?

>The reality of the circumstances being that the Nazis would rather them dead than living anywhere in Europe.
No, the circumstances being that Germany was in a bad spot, and couldn't do much in the way of deportation out of Europe.

>You're deliberately trying to exonerate Hitler.
From what, the holocaust?
The absence of his involvement does that.

>>1874749
>pure semantics
It's more than semantics to assume that ideology is important in understanding motives.

>Again, I don't want it spoonfed
That's settled then.
Don't ask me or my wife's son to provide examples of Jewish/Marxist efforts again.

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>>1874549
>There isn't a single document even involving Hitler for instance,
This is misleading, because this is only true to the extent that there is no written document actually signed by Hitler involving the extermination. There are lots of documents that show Hitler's intent in this, be it from himself (his "uprooting" speech) or others (Goebbels diary). Furthermore, although nothing is signed by Hitler, it doesn't even need to be, because there are document signed by people working in the Chancellery, which reports everything to Hitler (but doesn't need a signature every report), who heads the Chancellery. It's also only relevant to the intentionalist debate. Even if intentionalism wouldn't apply, functionalism would still incriminate Hitler & Co..

Examples of documents about Hitler knowing:

>„Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. […] Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muss die notwendige Folge sein.“ - Goebbels' diary

>February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness. - Goebbels' diary

>March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
Note: Official Nazi figures estimate there to be 11 million European Jews. 60% of that would be 6,6 million, which is pretty close to the actual figures. - Goebbels' diary

>"363.211 Jews executed" - [image related] 1942 report from Himmler to Hitler about how many and which people the Einsatzgruppen killed in a span of only four months

>>1869799

pretty sure you can find references to it in Mein Kampf pal

>>1874765
>It's more than semantics to assume that ideology is important in understanding motives.
I never claimed otherwise.

Just that bald people are responsible for the holocaust.

>>1874760
>I'm assuming you said they were indeed involved.
You don't need to assume anything because the entire argument is there to read. And you also lived it so you ought to remember.

>Just because Jews were involved, doesn't mean nobody else was.
So then why say
>>German Jews attempt coup in 1918
Why is it important that they're Jewish? Because you're trying to imply that the Jews conspired to take down Germany. That's why you said "German Jews", rather than "communists". Of course you think the wording is vague enough (it isn't) that there's a level of deniability to this so you can weasel out of it.

>and couldn't do much in the way of deportation out of Europe.
Exactly, and they'd rather them be dead than live in Europe. We've already gone over this twice.

>From what, the holocaust?
No, just in general.

>The absence of his involvement does that.
Like clockwork.

>>1869775
>>wants to restore unity of ethnic German land (without violence if possible, see Austria & Sudetenland)
The British proposed to simply give Germany the Sudetenland, no strings attached.
Hitler declined and marched in, because he wanted to conquer the land like his idol, not be given it diplomatically.

So much for your "without violence", if possible.

Seriously, OP. You are a maximally deluded stormfag.

>>1874798
>Why is it important that they're Jewish?
Because Judaism is an ideology. And if a certain ideology is disproportionately represented in the leadership of a communist plot, then that's something to consider.

>Exactly, and they'd rather them be dead than live in Europe. We've already gone over this twice.
But they'd rather them be deported than be dead.

>>1874857
>Because Judaism is an ideology.
Except one thing, basically every ethnically Jewish communist ever was an atheist. If Judaism is an ideology then clearly they're not followers of it.

>But they'd rather them be deported than be dead.
I like how you think this somehow morally justifies them.

>Yeah they'd rather exterminate them than live on the same continent but they tried to deport them to Madagascar first.

>>1874857
>Because Judaism is an ideology.
actually it's a religion.

>>1874681
So... nothing. You're whining about imaginary actions of a party that you know nothing about.

Once again, unsurprising.

>>1874691
Nationalism caused Germany to enter and continue a costly unwinnable war that helped nobody except the war profiteers. Any sane person in 1919 Germany would realize how pointless and horrifically stupid this nationalism is.

Tell me you aren't so stupid as to defend that.

>>1874995
Nah but the nazis had aethstetics
It's like seppuku. It's suicide, but you're doing it for a cause and you look stylish while doing it.

>>1869973
You know you're a fucking idiot right?

>>1874876
>Except one thing, basically every ethnically Jewish communist ever was an atheist.
Upbringing plays a major role in one's view of the world.

>I like how you think this somehow morally justifies them.
Did I say that?

>>1874982
>imaginary actions

lol

>>1874995
Nationalism also turned Germany from a war-torn and sanction-riddled corpse to a dominant world power in a matter of years.

Objectively speaking, Hitler did nothing wrong whatsoever

>>1875103
>Upbringing plays a major role in one's view of the world.
Except most of them weren't raised Jews either. Case in point Marx and Lenin.

Is it perhaps possible that communism is naturally appealing to marginalized demographics as opposed to it being Jewish thing? As you may notice African Americans historically have also had an important part in American communist movements.

>Did I say that?
If you weren't trying to imply it then what the fuck was the point in saying it?

>Did I say that?

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>>1874888

>>1874145
You sound like an anti-semantic to me.

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>>1875130
>tips

>>1875192

2/10 would not bang with those slavic fingers.

>>1875183
>Except most of them weren't raised Jews either. Case in point Marx and Lenin.
I guess you know all about how they were raised.

>If you weren't trying to imply it then what the fuck was the point in saying it?
To point out the truth maybe?

>>1875203
>I guess you know all about how they were raised.
Well on the count their parents weren't practising Jews I doubt they were raised into the "ideology" of Judaism.

>To point out the truth maybe?
Except at no point did I say or even imply the Nazis didn't plan on deporting Jews to Madagascar yet you insisted on bringing it up anyway in an attempt to exonerate them as seen here when you just short of admit it's a whitewashing tactic.

>>attempts to whitewash this
>It's a fact that the plan was first to deport them.

Anyone reading this thread ought to notice you most frequently bring up this detail in response to pointing out the holocaust. Because you are literally using it as a whitewashing tactic. And a really bad one to boot.

>>1875115
Nazis also destroyed German culture to create something else that fit their autistic desires, and completely rekt Germany to the point of it being in a far worse position than it was in 1919.

>>1871122
Fascism is a pain in the butt to define but in general, no, most of human history was not ruled by fascism.

>>1874351
>>1874407
>>1874444
Spookiest posts ITT.

>Austro-Hungarian empire loses the war and is completely destroyed

>Ottoman Empire loses the war and was about to be completely destroyed regaing some land after the Turkish War of Independence.

>Germany loses some land and is indebt a fair share.

>Versailles was the worst treaty of the war hurr durr.

>>1869793
I'd say Mein Kampf is a rather good source.

>>1869789
I thought at the begginjng the Navy wasn't sure who they wanted to side with, eventually picking the rebels.

>>1870032
>Versailles was extremely lenient on Germany
No it wasn't

Because of the treaty it created the context that allowed for German Fascism

>>1870080
>It does
I disagree

>>1875779
Not true. German butthurt over losing the war, not the terms of the treaty, combined with the Great Depression, created the context for German fascism. And even if did, that wouldn't make the treaty not lenient

>>1875779
>Austro-Hungary gets dismembered
>Ottoman empire ended
>Germany gets to more or less stay as is
>no allied army actual enters Germany proper

Certainly, it was less vindictive than the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, or the Treaty of Frankfurt.

Thankfully, the next time around, the Soviets controlled the East, and they did the dirty work of completely eliminating the diaspora Germans, the entire nation of Prussia, and ending Sudeten Germany permanently.

>>1870184
Source? Heard this many times but never sourced

>>1875867
Just go to the wiki page on Anschluss: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss, it has all the details with sources

>>1870455
Link? Sounds like a good read

>>1870671
KEK that's like your opinion bro

>>1869799

You are just wrong.

It was a stated objective and they did it when the opportunity came.

>>1870061
>The Winter war with 1 million Russian troops was a "border conflict"?
Yes. It literally moved the border a few miles, and it was against fucking Finland.

>implying only Marxism is globalist
Capitalism necessarily leads to globalism too.

>find out jews did something bad
>OH BUT THEY ONLY DID IT BECAUSE OF X
this sure happens a lot

What isn't commonly known is that a large section the Jews in Germany emigrated to the nation during the economic crisis in order to take advantage of it and create a profit, bringing wealth with them in order to buy up businesses. Most "German" Jews by 1939 weren't even German (although the term itself is a misnomer, Jews are not indigenous to Germany).

Ignoring the publisher, this book uses actual statistics to explain the why behind the rise in anti-semitism during this period.


http://archive.org/details/JewishDominationOfWeimarGermany1919-1932

>>1869775
>the dolschtoss meme is back in fashion

>>1869828
>hitler got elected to his local soviet
whoa

>>1874455
>Asians are the wealthiest racial group in America

Half of the top 20 richest people in America are Jewish, and not one is Asian.

>>1874455
I don't believe this one bit.

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>>1870067
>>1870078
As a jew, during my research into Hitler, i agree with him that most Jews are really "Subhuman". I think he meant Non-human, as he veiwed them as more akin to a virus or a cancer than a bestial enemy.
jews have the habit of worming their way into high positions so its harder to remove them from the country. Often, the biggest of noses try to take over a country covertly, and all the other jews follow this, willing or unwilling. Jews are simutaneously the most sheep like and independent of all races.
TLDR Jews are kinda like ants that are parasitic, but often unintentionally so.

>>1874779
No any slogans to destroy slavs.

>>1875227
Basic ideology still seeps through even in non-practising generations.

>at no point did I say or even imply the Nazis didn't plan on deporting Jews to Madagascar
Well you did say they "didn't try very hard".
As if deporting Jews to Madagascar would have been a relatively straightforward thing to do for Nazi Germany in the early 40s.

This thread is about the basic motivations of Hitler, not what other Nazis did towards the end of the Reich.

>>1875692
>Versailles was the worst treaty of the war hurr durr.
Nobody said this.
But even the main ally (GB) said the French were taking it too far with Versailles.

>>1877211
That's how it turned out, but it was also a pretty large-scale undertaking. Contrary to what that other guy said.

>>1874814
>Hitler declined
Wtf no he didn't.