>nationalism is stupid >this board wouldn't exist

Anyone who thinks nationalism is stupid needs to return to Reddit.

>>1867485
>nationalism
>builds community

>reddit
>builds community

son...

>>1867472

>muh gay degeneracy destroys western civilization

>this site wouldn't exist without it

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>>1867472
>tfw your mom is a stupid woman
>you wouldn't be posting on this board without her computer

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>>1867472
The notion that "nationalism" is stupid is some autistic-tier shit. None of these great civilizations that we have today or places would be there without nationalism. People need a reason to come together and work together and don't give me that cuck-tier shit of "we should work together because we are one species". Fuck that! Even if we are all one species I need to know that my common man won't fuck me over because at the end of the day we are working for the same country.

Nationalism is retarded depending on what it is that you give up for keeping your nation state.

I mean, I'd gladly keep a small steady stream of immigration into my country, if it meant the GDP rose significantly for example.

>>1867472
Anti-nationalists have this infantile idea that humans like eachother.

>>1867734
I really only like my family and my closest friends.

Everyone could burn in the fires of hell for all I cared.

>>1867737
Everyone else*

>>1867714
You type like a well-spoken 12 year old. People band together for all manner of reasons, nationalism is only one of them.

>>1867729
White immigration you mean, non whites will create lower standards thus lower the GDP, if all whites in America dissapeared the GDP would reach third world levels.

Nationalism is stupid but people are cunts pretty much. Can't really live without it in a happy commie utopia where everyone is equal smoking weed because you'll just get wrecked by the other tribe that's more internally organized.

Nationalism is stupid because it is stupid to take pride in something you cannot control. Rather, take pride in that which you have achieved. As you find especially here on 4chan, the more racist and nationalist a person is, the more of a lazy, good-for-nothing they are. This also applies to SJW's of course who think they are superior for simply having "superior" ideology (much like how the alt-right fags here feel) while they do nothing in life but protest against the system.

Go out and make something of yourself, and at the end of the day you still feel like praising yourself for being born in a certain country, then who can rightfully tell you wrong?

>>1867745
Sorry but no. Not all non-whites are the same.

>>1867714
why you on a history board if you don't know anything about history lol

>>1867755
>because it is stupid to take pride in something you cannot control.

It might be stupid, but it's socially acceptable to do as long as you aren't European.

>>1867759
I dont give a shit we dont need non white people in America, the economy was just fine with only whites in it and went to shit the moment we let fucking jews in America.

NATIONALISM IS FUCKING IMPORTANT becuase it unites people with common religions/appearance and goals as a people. So often you see empires like austria and ottomans explode in what seems like a single night. But look at what happens when france or germany is damaged, it comes right back together.

>>1867767
Where it is socially acceptable or not is of no consequence, it's stupid in Haiti or Nigeria as it is in Germany. Perhaps more so in third world country.

>>1867472
You wouldn't be here if it weren't for your mom, doesn't mean she's bright.

>>1867777
>NATIONALISM WAS FUCKING IMPORTANT

Fixed that for you. Also checked

>>1867777
They come right back up because of the culture. Surely you notice the German culture is extremely efficient, so it stands to reason that their economy will reflect just how incredibly efficient they are.

Make the most of yourself individually to feel pride that is worthwhile. Us Americans are incredibly nationalistic and you find we are also often very lazy, and the only thing that overcomes our laziness is our greed.

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>>1867775
When do you think Jews came to America?

>>1867779
>Where it is socially acceptable or not is of no consequence

It really is, because people call white Europeans who do it racists, but they don't call Saudi-Arabians who do it racist.

And if you didn't know, in our culture publicly being accused of racism can cost you your livelihood.

>>1867795
If you mean for white people then yes, but non whites are still nationalist, you really think these mexicans in America give a flying fuck about blacks?

>>1867802
They came here enmass around the late 1800s.

>>1867807
I'm not European, and it must really suck to be you. So just don't do anything to get called a racist or whatever since you guys seem so incredibly backwards, and this is coming from a borderline liberal.

You already must be aware of this be really you guys have to get your shit together. Racism is also stupid. Not saying there aren't clear genetic variances/predispositions among races, but it is stupid for the same reason nationalism is stupid.

>>1867777
>NATIONALISM
>unites people with common religions/appearance
It does not do that.

>>1867822
Racism was seen as perfectly fine one hundred years ago its this infantile notion that all humans are equal that lead to this HURR RACISM IS BAD bullshit, as a white I only see other whites and asians as equal to me all others are shit.

This whole we are the same is muh feelings bullshit caused by subhuman nonwhites looking human if blacks looked like dinosaurs we would have killed them a long time ago.

>>1867809
That's a really narrow minded view anon.

I meant internationally, with the rise of globalism nationalism is going right out the window. It's no longer as important as it was in the 19th and 20th centuries to the development of the world.

Russia heading towards economic collapse for the sake of nationalism should give you an idea of why it's entirely obsolete.

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>>1867822
>Calling Europeans backwards

You must be American.

>>1867807
So? Who says the saudis are right? Why do you indulge in whataboutism now?

>>1867834
Russia is crashing because the jew controlled America and Europe hates competition. Also how does National undermine Globalism you fucking retard.

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>>1867472
Patriotism is fine but nationalism isnt

>>1867835
Don't get me wrong, us Americans are fucking stupid. But we aren't as distorted as Europe so far, thanks to our centralizing political system.
>>1867833
See, that's stupid. Who cares when and if it is acceptable, that is of no consequence. I have met black people smarter than me. I go to a high quality college, half of the black population here are nerds. They don't represent the whole population but they are still members of their race. Don't feel good about yourself because you're white and your culture happens to have recently soared past others (think of the Medieval ages, or when we lived in caves while Mesopotamians thrived)

>>1867855
>patriotism is fine
>nationalism isn't
Patriotism is the same isn't it?

>>1867846
>Who says the saudis are right?

Nobody says the Saudis are right, but nobody says they are wrong either. That's the point.

The social stigma around being overtly nationalistic or chauvinistic only applies to white Europeans, in foreign people nationalistic and cultural sentiments are encouraged as expressions of multiculturalism and diversity.

>>1867859
>I have met black people smarter than me.
You met genetic outliers how sweet, now take a stroll in Baltimore and meet the normal black for once in your life.
>Don't feel good about yourself because you're white
No tell me what to do anti white faggot.
>(think of the Medieval ages, or when we lived in caves while Mesopotamians thrived
>lived in caves

Son Europe is a deciduous forest landmass we hardly lived in caves, fuck Mesopotamia the sand people are inferior to us intellectually thats why their countries are all shit compared to ours.

>>1867855
Your picture is actually exactly the other way around. Pride in your country and its history is not a core tenent of nationalism while it is of patriotism. Nationalism is merely the idea that each group of people (how these groups are defined depends on the type) deserve their own state, and that nation states are the most functioning states.

Patriotism in the other hand is about being socially conditioned to love your country/government

>>1867879
>anti white faggot
I'm not anti white, being anti any race is, as I implied, fucking retarded.

>inferior to is intellectually
Do you actually know anything about history? If they are lesser intellectually, how come they developed civilization long before us?

The presence of genetic outliers sheds light on the people. Because they exist, you cannot condemn them. There are black geniuses who far exceed your IQ. And you want to call them all inferior to you?

>>1867893
They are the same exact thing

>>1867795
>BREATHING AIR WAS IMPORTANT

Fixed that for you

>>1867903
They are inferior now without oils their economie would hit the shitter.

I really dont care about genetic outliers if the average black is a ferocious wild animal in a human body.

>>1867866
Patriotism is "Im proud to be American."

Nationalism is "Im proud to be german."

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>>1867879
someone decided to escape his containment board of /pol/

>>1867912
>inferior now
>how does evolution work?

Go back to school

>>1867905
Nationalism and Patriorism? No, they aren't. They're entirely different. They are wierdly associated with each other because nationalism is perceived as extreme patriotism.

>>1867922
How are they different then?

>>1867824
All the evidence says your full of shit

>>1867917
Islamic inbreeding is the possible explanation behind their stupidity.
>>1867916
If all you can do is meme then you are proof /pol/ is right about liberals turning into unreasonable babies when you dont agree with them.

>>1867924
I was always taught that nationalism is Nazi-style My Country Is Right And The Rest Of The World Can Fuck Itself. Sort of moral relativism at the national level. Honest American style patriotism is more civic pride at the national level. It can be military without being militaristic, and it can be for the nation without being nationalistic.

'My country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. But always, my country!'

That's patriotism. Or it was. Like 'marriage' and 'militia' and the very word 'patriot' it's probably been poisoned by now.

>>1867935
What if the explanation for their stupidity is educational and cultural degradation due to war? It could also be due to the inbreeding though, have to give you that one...

>>1867950
That is actually a well-thought out explanation, thanks

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>>1867935
>implying im liberal
jumping to false conclusions too soon

>>1867855
>you're not allowed to take pride in your country's achievements
>but you HAVE to take responsibility for your country's atrocities
huh........................................................
doing a think lads

>>1867952
Because that explanation is retarded and cannot explain why the entire middle east has become a moron landmass since the end of 700 A.D.

But the we are the all same bullshit right NO WAY THERE IS JUST LIKE NO WAY HUMANS COULD BE NATURALLY BE FUCKING STUPID IT HAS TO BE CULTURE OR NURTURE UH UH UH INTELLIGENCE IS NOT GENETIC AT ALL THATS A LIE UM UM UM UM YOUR RACIST.

>>1867960
How is that explanation not valid when they used to be the pioneers of cilivization? It sounds like they at least used to be highly intelligent as a people.

Inbreeding can't explain low intelligence outright, given it really only limits the gene pool. It can bring out certain mutations while limiting others.

>>1867956
>atrocity
Like what?

>>1867972
Exhibition

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>>1867952
Town Arabs are inbred as hell. They marry inside the same clan for political reasons, and have for centuries.

The Bedu do not. They swap daughters to other clans to cement alliances -- can't get into a gunfight at the watering hole with your own family, after all. They also get enough salt and potassium from those brackish watering holes. Which means they are fairly normal. Town Arabs are as mean and stupid and vicious as a bunch of stereotypical Appalachian hillbillies, and they come front-loaded with a killer death cult to boot.

By all means, let's import a few million more. What could go wrong?

>>1867971
Inbreeding can make you populations stupid overtime you fucking retard.

>>1867974
Wut

>>1867960
tbf lad in the mid 20th century the middle east seemed to be improving but thank the west for the state it's in now

>>1867977
>can make you populations
fascinating how inbred people insult other inbred people

>>1867977
>>1867975
Please cite your sources that inbreeding can cause lower intelligence in populations, rather than something bimodal or working in reverse (being, those with low IQ tending to inbreed, thus producing low IQ children for generations to come)

>>1867980
>improving
They were still stuck in the 1300s in terms of technology jackass with the exception of guns of course.
>>1867981
I am not inbred at all my mother is from France and my dad is from California.

>>1867984
Its basic fact that inbreeding makes tards thats why they tell you not to fuck your sister or mom.

>>1867975
>>1867984
To you I meant to say, salt and potassium must be very vital to the intelligence of a population considering their roles in action potentials. This is a better explanation than "inbreeding causes stupidity because I imagine that it does"

>>1867990
my dad could've come from the opposite side of the world my mother was born on, yet if they were both inbred they would make a fucking retard as a baby, hence you were born

>>1867994
>basic knowledge
Is it? Prove to me right now it isn't a myth. It sounds like you take things for fact just because you heard it somewhere before. Cite a source saying inbreeding will cause a population to become stupid, rather than stupid populations inbreed because they are just stupid

I sincerely doubt all these inbreeding claims. Even the Faroe Islands which has a population of 50000, and has been isolated on those islands since the Viking Age don't have a problem with inbreeding apart from a specific disease called carnitine transporter deficiency, which only has a higher incidence there than other place in the world.

>>1868005
A retard could never make the logical connections I can do.
>>1868007
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC392897/

>>1867956
Excellent strawman my man

>>1868010
It because we whiteys are just smarter than them thats why we can inbreed and still be average IQ.

>>1867972
slavery, colonialism, etc

>>1867984
>Please cite your sources that inbreeding can cause lower intelligence in populations
Are you serious? Okay, here. This took two seconds in Google:

>Across the Arab world today an average of 45 percent of married couples are related, according to Dr. Nadia Sakati, a pediatrician and senior consultant for the genetics research center at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in Riyadh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/world/saudi-arabia-awakes-to-the-perils-of-inbreeding.html

>>1868007
>>1867995
>>1867994
A quick google told me that inbreeding only becomes truly problematic after 3 or 4 generations of it. This is because recessive genes that tend to not be expressed yet are shared between family members have a higher chance with each successive generation to be expressed, causing unwanted traits like retardation, high facial asymettry, etc

>>1868013
>Excellent Tu quoque my man
thanks

>>1867867
Well yeah thats wrong i agree but that isnt a reason to become nationalistic yourself

>>1868029
>but that isnt a reason to become nationalistic yourself

Maybe not, but you should understand why people don't like hypocrisy.

>>1868019
How it that an atrocity? The blacks savages were in the the mesolithic era before we brought technology to their shithole. Slavery is the reason black people can even read and write, so what if lots of blacks died blacks had short lives to begin with back in their violent hellish continent.

>>1868023
>Being so in denial humans can naturally stupid you go this far
Liberals wont say shit about inbred stupid pure bred dogs but if its a human they didnt flip out.

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>>1868035
are you from /pol/

>>1868023
It depends on which traits are expressed repeatedly and how close the relatives are. Cousangineos marriage is generally considered unproblematic even throughout a lot of generations. And btw marrying outside your family for once completely negate the effects of inbreeding for your child. And inbreeding is actually decreasing in the middle east.

>>1867833
>as a white I only see other whites and asians as equal to me all others are shit.
what the fuck have you accomplished to make you superior to anyone else?

also, there's a huge difference between nationalism and racism. nationalism is about your country and no-one cares if you have a strong sense of national pride. it's when you start throwing in your /pol/ views about "subhuman nonwhites" that people feel a bit iffy about your so called "nationalism".

>>1867777
Germany and France only came right back together because other European powers wanted it to be so.

People build cultures, not nationalities. Equating the two is a disservice.

>>1867472
Isn't it called patriotism now?

I wish i could be more nationalistic and patriotic about Ireland but my countrymen ruin it for me. I'm surrounded by socialists and everyone here loves the EU. I wish we had a more glorious military history. I am still a nationalist but I envy the British, nationalism must come to them so much more naturally.

>>1867833
Your retarded whining hurts the cause of intelligent racists, identitarians and ethno-nationalists. Please stop fucking us up by being such a stereotype.

>>1869345
You cant handle people having different opinions than you ?

>>1869370
2 minutes after gaining independance after a 700 year struggle and the people happily throw it away. I can handle it fine, it just diminishes my respect.

>>1869370
>kick out those evil English as they control our money and way of life
>allow Others to do it instead

>>1867745
Did you already forget about the Italians and Irish immigrents anon and how shit they were?
>all whites gone = bad
No shit? Huh if you get rid of the majority of the country it will hurt that countries economy, how long it take to figure that out?

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>>1869678
>If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs.

RIP Connolly ;_;7

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>>1869730
>tfw english
feels good man

Nationalism was useful but has largely run its course.

>>1867714
So great civilisations didn't exist before the rise of nationalism?
I'm pretty sure anyone, especially fascists, would readily admit that something like Rome was a glorious civilisation.

>>1869748
not that guy but one of Rome's major downfalls was do too letting in so many immigrants 2bh

>>1869725
They were still better than niggers and muslims.

America would turn into third world shithole without us white people, it would turn into the most dangerous place on earth is every white person in America was turned intoa a black person.

I am not sorry blacks are inferior end of discussion I dont give a fuck how human they look they are inferior.

>>1869757
Rome's downfall is a pretty complex subject, there were quite a few factors.
Nationalism wouldn't have aided Roman expansion though.

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>>1869737

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>>1867472
Moot is born in the United States. Which isn't a nation state. It was founded on Constitutional ideals, not national ones.

Also if he was a "nationalist," he would never ripped off something the Nips made.

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>>1869757
personally, I blame Cato

fuck that smug cunt

>>1869788
>listening to moot's q&a
>you get the impression that him meeting boxxy was really awkward for both of them

>>1867472
>nationalism is stupid
>this board is stupid

>>1869819
It's what happens when real people are force-shipped by fans of this retarded site.

>>1869624
Well thats just your opinion man. It seems like you are more of a drama queen

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If I defend free market because I believe my race will be on top, am I nationalist or just etnocentrist?

>>1869748
Nationalism doesn't have to be race or ethnicity centric it can also value culture such as the one of rome where roman identity was the top priority.

>>1869929
>le relativistic manne

Why not use patriotism then?
Nationalism heavily implies post 1648 and especially 19th century nation states.

>>1869844
but it exists, as opposed to countries that decided not to be nationalist and were promptly cuckolded to death

>>1869938
>countries that decided not to be nationalist and were promptly cuckolded to death

Is that your academic opinion?

>>1867472
It has a time and a place where it was useful and important to the development of humans. Like religion.

>>1869929
>Nationalism doesn't have to be race or ethnicity centric it can also value culture such as the one of rome where roman identity was the top priority.
Except it has to be based in a national identity, which is usually a common-language or ethnicity.
Roman identity was not a national identity, it was just the identity of the empire. The empire was not a nation.

>>1869857
Yes, it is my opinion. That's why I said it.

>>1867472
How would this board not exist if nationalism didn't exist?

>>1867734
I dont care how nice people are, and it doesnt have anything to do with nationalism. Im not anti-nationalist because i think everyone should live in perfect peace and harmony in fairytale land, but because nationalism has no logical basis for me. I cant honestly defend it, no matter how beneficial it could sometimes be.

>>1869945
name some countries that allowed mass-immigration where the end result isn't either genocide or an overtaking of the country

>>1870697
US of America c. 1800s?

>>1869758
A sizable chunk of immigrents regardless of race are criminal. Not all, but a sizable chunk. Race has no part in changing that. Even if it did most of the blacks in our country are not immigrents yet they are still a huge chunk of our criminals, but is that what the discussion was? No, what we were discussing immigrents and most american blacks are not immigrents.

It is obvious you are shoehorning in a discussion that wasn't even there. /pol/ is around the corner and you'll have more luck finding that kind of discussion there.

>>1870571
This board wouldn't exist if a monarch butterfly didn't flap its wings in Panama on July 5th 1871.

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>>1870803
We assimilated people back then. Most were enamored of the idea of becoming Americans; they saw it as sort of winning the lottery. They were carefully screened for their health and their allegiance, and those that passed muster were sent home.

You think the Somalis or the Syrians or the Mexicans our government is settling in colonia all over the country see this as anything more than a job shop and crash pad? You think they know English, much less the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and who the fuck the people on the money are...?

>>1871230
>those that DID NOT pass muster were sent home.
Fuck.

>>1871230
Not op, but now we are onto opinion, how do you measure assimilation? I live in a very immigrent heavy area and everyone here is trying to learn English and their kids are completely americanized. I have experience in this area, you don't and I know for a fact they don't want to be the outsiders of the country, why would anyone want to be an outsider not them, not anyone. They want to be american.

>>1867501
this made me laugh

>>1871554
>I have experience in this area, you don't
You know zero shit about me anon. I went to school with Columbian kids who got chased out of their country by FARC and Vietnamese kids whose parents spent three-four fucking years floating around on boats (google 'Vietnamese boat people') before they finally got to America. Check your privilege.

>They want to be american.
That is good and heartening news. They sound like the old-school Italians and Irish and Greeks. Where do you live and where are they from?

>>1867501
NATIONALISM BTFO!!11

Nationalism is just another facet of tribalism. Without a support of tribalism from the government, an us vs them, societies begin to collapse and become replaced by ones that follow such tribalist beliefs.

>>1873742
>Where do you live
Midwest
>where are they from?
Mostly Latin America and Asia

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>its a "low test leftists refuses to believe that inbreeding is bad for your intelligence as a peoples because the science is against his political beliefs" episode

>>1867755
If you have a daughter and she turns out to be a successful, wonderful woman, why wouldn't you be proud of there and of being his father? Same with your ancestors or other people who share something with you. The more they share, the prouder you'll be of them and of being related to them as that makes you indirectly successful too.