>Allies """""won"""""

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you're that guy on the losing team bragging about his k:d

Half of that is probably Chiang flooding the Yellow River.

>>1854054
Notice how the K/D ratio is in the Axis favor solely because of the sheer mass amount of civilians aka non-combatants killed, and because of chinese soldier deaths. I wonder why that statistic also classifies the intentional soviet POW extermination as soldier combat deaths. I also wonder why the mass amounts of last ditch german conscript deaths aren't included in the combatant death statistic.

Can you imagine how butt mad Stormfags would be if the allies decided to 'correct' the K/D ratio the same way the Axis powers got it?

"Yeah, in order to properly win this war, we're going to execute the entirety of the Wehrmacht, and then start killing more people."

>>1854054
Daily reminder that Anglos had the best k/d ratio of the war.

>>1854077

>soviet pow extermination

Most of them died fighting in the Wermacht.

>>1854086
Besides Finland*

>>1854054

>Get ass thoroughly kicked.
>B-but I punched him more times than he punched me!

Glass jaw Axis lost. Deal with it.

>>1854092
It's worse than that, because most of these weren't in combat. So it's more

>Get ass thoroughly kicked
>"Yeah, but I shit on his porch and then kicked him in the dick before he even knew we were fighting!"

>>1854054
>count POWs who were executed in the ratios
>don't count POWs who were disarmed, imprisoned, but kept alive

Man, if only the Allies killed 2/3 of their POWs like the Germans with the Soviets or Japanese with the Chinese. Then they would have "won". Alas, they didn't.

Also kek @ lumping in Chinese soldier deaths with everyone else.

>>1854107

The Germans didn't kill many pows. The Soviets joined the Wermacht and got killed helping the Nazis. That's where the pow deaths come from.

>>1854117
>The Germans didn't kill many pows.
They killed over three million.

As in about a third of all Soviet military deaths in the entire war were POWs dying in camps.

>>1854088
About 1/4th of all Soviet soldiers that died, died in German POW camps, actually.

>>1854139

No, they died fighting the Soviets. About 1 million died in camps and another 2.5m died helping the wermacht.

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>>1854161
The ones that died fighting the Soviets are counted under Axis military losses - not under Soviet POW deaths, which were over 3 million.

Over 1 million POWs died from 41-42 alone, 43-45 another 2 million died.

>>1854163

No, there's overlap between the pow deaths and wermacht losses.

>>1854054
that is a lot of fucking civilians

is that just the slavs?

>>1854165
There's overlap in everything due to the fact everything we have are estimations. However, 2.5 million is not overlap, that's blatant falsehood intended to make the Germans not look so bad.

It's especially worrying you think 2.5 million Russians died fighting Russians. Most of the slavs who fought under the Axis were Ukranian, Polish, Latvian, and all the other slavic peoples who were not Russian, specifically because they hated the Russians.

>>1854166

It's about
9m Soviet soldiers
3m Soviet pows
There were also 10m KMT military deaths that apparently didn't get counted

Plus the civilian deaths which are roughly

20m in Europe (mirroring the military death)
20m in China
5m in Bengal famine

>>1854166
Yes
Russia lost around 27 million, military and civilian included.

8.6 million soldiers died, another 22.6 million were wounded, and 13.6 million civilians died. 7.4 due to collateral or intentional killings, 2.1 million due to overwork in labor camps in Germany, and 4.1 million to famine or disease in occupied territory.

The Chinese lost somewhere between 15 and 20 million military and civilian in total, but shoddy record keeping and general shitty development in China makes this difficult to tell.
Also the fact the Japanese didn't keep many records of their war crimes.

>>1854172
>Most of the slavs who fought under the Axis were Ukranian, Polish, Latvian, and all the other slavic peoples who were not Russian, specifically because they hated the Russians.

Literally what mate? Poles didn't fight for the Germans, aside from small Polish speaking populations that weren't considered to be Slavs by the Germans, like Silesians. Latvians aren't even Slavs. Ukrainians did have one SS division, but mostly did their own thing.
Yet you don't even mention Bulgaria that was literally allied with the Axis, or smaller puppet governments of Slavic countries that were pro-German, like Slovakia or Croatia.

>>1854187
I feel like talking about a sovereign nation in this context would be a little odd. Of course Bulgaria would have fought alongside the Axis, rather than being a repressed/occupied ethnic group like the others I listed, Bulgaria was a fully functioning country at the time.

We were talking about people technically a part of Russia who sided with the Axis against the Russians.

>>1854172

No. Nothing I said is controversial, except among holocaust historians. 6 Soviet POWs were caputed during the war and 2.5m joined the Wermacht, 1m died in camps, and 2m or so survived. If we do the math your way we end up with -1m survivors.

I never doubted that they were mostly non russian ethnicities.

>>1854201

Meant 6m not 6

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>>1854054
>counting china
ok

>>1854201
>It is estimated that at least 3.3 million Soviet POWs died in Nazi custody, out of 5.7 million. This figure represents a total of 57% of all Soviet POWs and may be contrasted with 8,300 out of 231,000 British and U.S. prisoners, or 3.6%. About 5% of the Soviet prisoners who died were of Jewish ethnicity.[6]

The most deaths took place between June 1941 and January 1942, when the Germans killed an estimated 2.8 million Soviet POWs primarily through deliberate starvation,[7] exposure, and summary execution, in what has been called, along with the Rwandan Genocide, an instance of "the most concentrated mass killing in human history (...) eclipsing the most exterminatory months of the Jewish Holocaust".[8] By September 1941, the mortality rate among Soviet POWs was in the order of 1% per day.[9] According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (USHMM), by the winter of 1941, "starvation and disease resulted in mass death of unimaginable proportions".[10] This deliberate starvation, leading many desperate prisoners to resort to acts of cannibalism,[8] was Nazi policy in spite of food being available,[11] in accordance to the Hunger Plan developed by the Reich Minister of Food Herbert Backe. For the Germans, Soviet POWs were expendable: they consumed calories needed by others and, unlike Western POWs, were considered to be subhuman.[12

Nah bruv I think you're just wrong. Unless you want to cite this silly only 1 million Soviets died in POW camps thing you seem to be running with.

>>1854209

Like I said, that is holocaust historian bullshit that results in negative numbers.

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>>1854210
nut up or shut up

>>1854215

Have fun believing in impossible things.

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>>1854217
It's fully possible because it happened. I have evidence backing up my position. You keep repeating the same thing however you have no citations with which to source them.
I believe you are afraid to source your ridiculous claims because then I'll just laugh at you for citing someone who isn't a historian and who has been debunked by people with community college degrees, let alone seasoned historians.

>>1854220

Have fun being an autist who can't do math, which is the worst kind.

>>1854221
Have fun being delusional kiddo

>>1854172
>Poles
>in Axis

They literally blew their capital city only to kill few germans

>>1854223

The Warsaw Uprising was led by the Communist party to kill poles and make the soviet occupation easier.

>>1854222

Can you provide an actual source for anything you've said. Nothing I've said is controversial except among people who didn't do the math.

>>1854224
No it was led by Polish goverment in London. Poles hate commies and woud never fight in their uprising

>>1854223
The Poles who fought in the German army were known as the Volksliste anon. Most were Conscripts, many were volunteers, although namely from the Germanic minority-majority regions.

>>1854227
Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners
"Case Study: Soviet Prisoners-of-War (POWs), 1941–42". Gendercide Watch. http://www.gendercide.org/case_soviet.html
The treatment of Soviet POWs: Starvation, disease, and shootings, June 1941 – January 1942 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007183
Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses in the Twentieth Century", Greenhill Books, London, 1997, G. F. Krivosheev
Translated excerpt from Christian Streit: Keine Kameraden: Die Wehrmacht und die Sowjetischen Kriegsgefangenen, 1941–1945, Bonn: Dietz (3. Aufl., 1. Aufl. 1978), ISBN 3-8012-5016-4 — "Between 22 June 1941 and the end of the war, roughly 5.7 million members of the Red Army fell into German hands. In January 1945, 930,000 were still in German camps. A million at most had been released, most of whom were so-called ‘volunteers’ (Hilfswillige) for (often compulsory) auxiliary service in the Wehrmacht. Another 500,000, as estimated by the Army High Command, had either fled or been liberated. The remaining 3,300,000 (57.5 percent of the total) had perished."

Now, YOU cite your only 1 million died and 2.5 million volunteered. It seems to be completely opposite the accepted historical record. And short almost 1 million dead.

>>1854235

You can't find a single source for your numbers. Absolutely any historian would agree that 1-2.5m Soviets joined the Wermacht in WW2, with the higher numbers including the non combat personnel.

>>1854241
am i being trolled

>>1854243

No. Your own numbers support my point.

>>1854235
But it is still only few poles fighting in wermaht ranks(not to mention most of them was forced).
Beside I meant Waffen SS. Ukrainian hed their division, belorusian, lithuanian,balts,french too but Poles never join Waffen SS tho germany tried to form Polish Waffen SS

>>1854245
>Between 22 June 1941 and the end of the war, roughly 5.7 million members of the Red Army fell into German hands. In January 1945, 930,000 were still in German camps. A million at most had been released, most of whom were so-called ‘volunteers’ (Hilfswillige) for (often compulsory) auxiliary service in the Wehrmacht. Another 500,000, as estimated by the Army High Command, had either fled or been liberated. The remaining 3,300,000 (57.5 percent of the total) had perished."


>>1854246
Most Poles who fought for Germany were sent Westward. A lot of them fought at D-Day actually.

>>1854235

That actually supports his point completely. It implies that at least half of pows were hilfswillige, and half of POWs died. You literally could not have made a worse argument.

>>1854250
Literally where

It literally states 3 million died. 3x his number claimed, and says that only 1 million were released by the Germans themselves.

>>1854255

Your source implies over 3m of the 6m pows were nazi, and all of those 3m died. Wow

>>1854258
Where

>>1854259

Your own source. Your own citation you posted in your own post.

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>>1854260
Point it out, specifically.

>>1854263

>Most of the liberated pows were volunteers
>There were 6m pows
>Thus at least 3m volunteers

>>1854249
Still it was few people when you comper them to Polish resistance or Polish army in the East or Polish army in the West

>>1854264
That's not point out anything, that's saying things.
Point out, specifically in my citations, where it says that. I cannot seem to see them with my own eyes.

>>1854266

That's ok, but you've still proven absolutely nothing that you tried to prove.

>>1854267
You must be really bored to shitpost this lazily man

>>1854270

I mean this is why the holocaust has a bad rap outside white supremacist circles.

>>1854274
Nah

>>1854278

Hitler only killed white people.

>>1854280
Slavs are white
Barely, but they are white

>>1854209
>through deliberate starvation,[7]

>[7] Daniel Goldhagen, Hitler's Willing Executioners

Highest kek

>b-but it's on wikipedia and there's le blue number in le square brackets next to the statement

>>1854281

I mean I want to see your math of collaborators (who were probably all shot by the Soviets)/holocaust deaths/survivors among the pows. I think it is like 2.5m/~1m?/2m based on your cite.

>>1854282
Nice rebuttal.
>hitler was a gud boy he dindu nuffin

I can do it too. Shitty argument.

>>1854289

Yeah but you made the original claim that the Holocaust happened.

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is this a wehraboo thread?

>>1854291

Goebbels was a jew. Lmao.

>>1854286
Let's do that math
>5.7 million Soviet POWs
>1 million willingly released by Germans
>500,000 thought to have escaped or been rescued
>930,000 Soviet POWs by 1945 war's end

>5,700,000 - 930,000 = 4,770,000
>4,770,000 - 1,000,000 = 3,770,000
>3,770,000 - 500,000 = 3,270,000

So, that leaves 3,270,000 Soviet soldiers not alive, released or rescued by 1945. These men died in German POW camps.
These are the numbers I'm citing.

>>1854187
Soviet soldiers capture 60272 polish whose fight in wermacht, british soldiers capture 68 693 poles from wermacht, also dont forget 107 and 202 Schutzmannschaft Battalions, also Army Krayova and NSZ collaborated with nazi, two organisations "Miecz i Pług" and "Muszkieterzy" collaborated with nazi and want help them destroy USSR, polish factories work for wermacht, also dont forget "blue police" , and thats not all.

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>>1854289

>Oh yes, Daniel Goldhagen is indeed an adequate source on the POW issue

wiki warriors everyone

>>1854295

You're saying there were zero volunteers.

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>>1854298
>Oh yes, Daniel Goldhagen is indeed not an adequate source on the POW issue

>>1854301
No, it clearly states that 1,000,000 Soviets were released by the Germans, either as conscripts or volunteers. YOU on the other hand, are assuming that ALL volunteers were Soviet POWs, which is simply not the case.
And do you really thing the Germans let 1,000,000 men out of the POW camps out of goodwill? Why else would they have been released except to bolster the flagging German military.

>>1854307

Your numbers are a lower bound on the volunteers.

>>1854307
Dont forget that not all russians who fight for germans was from USSR

>>1854313

Yeah but his numbers imply most of the 6m pows were volunteers, because most of the survivors were.

>>1854310
Your numbers don't exist.

>>1854321

I'm just agreeing with your sources and not your holocaust extrapolation based on them.

>>1854323
I have never mentioned the holocaust a single time. Merely the 3 million Soviets who died in German POW camps.

>>1854326

They didn't die in the camps. They died helping nazis.

>>1854054
>we got some good hits in though!

Wehraboos should be gassed

>>1854317
About 1.24m soviets for germans, and about 50.000 from them were from white guard

>>1854329

How is it wehraboo to suggest that communists and fascists fought on the same side.

>>1854328
>Europe help Hitler
>Dirty soviets help hitler!!!!!
If you think soviets dont die in camps, you should go to school

>>1854336

They did, 400,000 pow deaths are documented.

>>1854328
Except they died in camps, not helping Hitler.

>>1854307

>Oh yes, Daniel Goldhagen is indeed not an adequate source on the POW issue

No he isn't. He did no research on the issue as his book "Hitler's willing Executioners" (that is held in low regard by most historians) has a different topic. Him mentioning Soviet POWs in a half sentence amidst his other ramblings doesn't make him a legit source. Unfortunately, wiki guys often don't understand this;

>>1854340

Your argument leads to negative numbers.

>>1854348
My argument included multiple sources with different numbers. You cherrypicking different numbers doesn't invalidate the source I was referencing.

>>1854356

Your argument leads to negative numbers.

>>1854359
>>1854356
can one of you make a complete and coherent argument with a central point?

>>1854363
I'm literally the only one posting sources here, it's 5am, and I'm playing company of heroes and alt tabbing every couple minutes.
I'm tired of arguing with this guy who's best argument has been 'no u' and I'm tired in general, so I think I'll just sleep.

>>1854363

Let's use his math and say:

-5.7m pows
-2.5m survivors

Thus

-3.2m holocaust

The problem is that huge numbers of POWs collaborated and died fighting. Based on his source the majority of freed POWs were collaborators, for example.

So if we assume 1m collaborator deaths, there's 2m holocaust. If we assume 2m collaborators, there's 1m holocaust. If we assume 3m collaborators, there's no holocaust.

The jew side is saying there were zero collaborator deaths.

>>1854328
>3 million soviets died fighting for the nazis

what? do you realize that number is larger than the entire german front?

>>1854374
I don't understand what the fuck you are getting at. what is your claim and where is the disagreement?

>>1854385

The disagreement is the jew side says there were zero collaborator deaths.

>>1854382

I know. There was staggering, enormous support for the nazis in the USSR.

>>1854389
do you really require a person to hold your hand and tell you one part at a time what is required for a 'complete argument with a central point'

>>1854374
But 1 million of the released Soviets didn't die. You're saying all of the collaborators died, most were captured. And at any rate, the collaborator deaths are not taken into account. The 3.3 million death number is specifically and only Soviets who died as POWs.

Collaborator deaths would have been and are calculated under Axis military deaths.

I do not understand your confusion.

5.7 million were captured.
1 million became collaborators either willing or unwillingly, 500,000 were rescued before the war ended, 930,000 were still in German POW camps by the time the war ended, the rest were dead. All these numbers are wholly independent of one another, there is no overlap at all.

>>1854400

I'm not making an argument. I'm just reminding the other side of their own claims.

>>1854402

You're saying there were zero collaborator deaths.

>>1854403
you'll be surprised to learn that is an argument. one you won't state in its entirety so that it is all in one post and tangible, for whatever reason.

>>1854407

You're saying there were zero pow collaborator deaths.

>>1854390
yeah, until they started massacring everyone in the Baltics, Belarus and Ukraine

>>1854415

Ironically, it was collaborators doing the massacres.

>>1854405
No, I'm saying the collaborator deaths are calculated independently under Axis Military Deaths. They are not a part of the 3.3 million Soviets who died as POWs, they are a part of the

>>1854420

That doesn't make sense because we are talking about the total pow count.

>>1854411
...no, I'm not. these
>>1854407
>>1854400
>>1854385
>>1854363
are all my posts here. in none of them do I claim to have any knowledge of any happenings.

is this a form of fucking tourettes? explain yourself coherently you monkey.

>>1854422
Exactly, it makes no sense to include the 215,000 Soviet turncoats who died under Axis command in the 3.3 million Soviets who died in German POW camps.
If you do, the number goes up to 3.5 million Soviet POWs who died, but then 215,000 of them died in battle against the Soviets or Western Allies.

>>1854428

Where is the 215,000 number from

>>1854428

That's irrelevant because you already cited the total number of pows and can't change it.

>>1854435
An estimation by Russian historian Grigoriy Fedotovich Krivosheyev. No concrete numbers exist because the Germans kept very poor, essentially no records in fact, track of Russians and other slavic collaborators. The closest thing to documentation we have is the Russian Liberation Army, which still only gives rough estimates. It's thought two of the three sections had about 10,000 men each, both only partially formed. Only the first section was fully formed and it's unknown of its full number.

>>1854443
There is no conflict in what I have said.

>>1854207
You retarded or something?

>>1854446

So you're saying your own statistics are poor.

>>1854282
People debated Goldhagen's conclusion. Not his numbers. Stop being retarded.

>>1854450
Specifically the ones relating to the number of Soviet collaborators killed, yes. There are no concrete numbers, only estimations, Krivosheyev's being the commonly accepted number.

>>1854453

But he makes fantastic claims based on nothing.

>>1854456

So is the evidence for the holocaust equally poor?

>>1854461
No.

>>1854453

see >>1854341

His book is about reserve police bataillon 101 and German antisemitism, not Soviet POWs. And Wikipedia doesn't cite his numbers, but his allegation that POWs were starved deliberately.

>>1854419
which collaborators are you speaking of?

>>1854054
literally half of the allies death where because of the soviets zerg rush

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The Ostlegion alone had 400,000 + Soviets when it was first incorporated, who were sent into the meat grinder and died quickly. The Waffen SS had another 200,000+ Soviets recruited in a similar manner. Considering the losses they sustained and replacements they must have needed, the total deaths were even greater. Add to this the huge numbers of occupation forces and the total POW collaborator count is at least 600,000 and more plausibly 2 million at its peak. There wasn't really any room for non-POW collaboration because practically every man of military age was drafted one way or another.

The military units in the east were constantly churning through personnel. The total Wermacht size was twice the peak size, for example. So the total collaborators who ever served was anywhere from 1.2m at the very least and 4m realistically from this ratio. Less than 1m survived.

So that's the entire pow holocaust right there.

>>1854054
You do realize that this picture proves that the Allies were far more civilized, considering they've caused a significantly lesser number of civilian casualties?

>>1854117
They've killed nearly 3 million in camps.

>>1854166
Lebensraum Project.

>>1854192
You're overestimating their military capacity, and that of Croatia and Ukraine.

>>1854201
Subhuman,between the year 1941 and 1942, nearly 2.8 million were killed through deliberate starvation.

>>1854297
Polish factories worked for the Wehrmacht because the country was under German occupation, not because of free choice.

>>1854298
Subhuman, it's articles contain a plethora of traceable sources in the reference section.

>>1854382
There were nearly 7 million soldiers on the Eastern Front during Operation Barbarossa.

>>1854490

Your collaborator death estimate is absurdly low. You're saying more collaborators survived than died.

>>1854486
>So the total collaborators who ever served was anywhere from 1.2 million at the very least and 4 million realistically from this ratio

Based on whose assessment ?

>>1854484
Only used in the case of prison battalions.

>>1854492

Based on 600k-2m at peak and a similar ratio for the total who served, as the rest of the Wermacht.

>>1854494
Based on whose assessment?

>>1854496

Based on my assessment, which you think is less plausible than the holocaust.

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>>1854498

>>1854504

I didn't really make an assessment, I just gave you the option of using the most favorable possible numbers so your argument won't fail.

>>1854498

What I'm saying is that your claims are categorically false, some more than others.

>>1854506
On whose account are those numbers the"most favorable " ?

>>1854224
Is that why the Soviets deliberately delayed liberating Warsaw, so their own supporters would be killed off by the boxheads?

>lol dude we lost but we killed more civilians lmao

That only makes it worse, you know...

Is it a full moon or something? /pol/ seems more schizo then usual this evening.

>>1854510

Exactly. I mean the Communist party was not even the main factor but it certainly encouraged the uprising against most of the Home Army leaders.

>>1854509

Your argument is autistic.

>>1854490
>Subhuman, it's articles contain a plethora of traceable sources in the reference section.

For that one statement only Goldhagen is cited. The deliberate starvation thesis has been explicetly rejected in several articles of the reputable IfZ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Zeitgeschichte). I don't think Christian Streit, who wrote the first extensive study on the topic in 1978, claimed this either.

Since I recall you mentioning at some time that you understand German:

http://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/2001_1_5_hartmann.pdf
http://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/2008_4_2_otto.pdf
https://www.bundestag.de/blob/374964/9f0ff04f8df7011b1961daed66e69adc/dr--klaus-jochen-arnold-data.pdf

>>1854521

I've already refuted the holocaust don't bother.

>>1854490
>You do realize that this picture proves that the Allies were far more civilized, considering they've caused a significantly lesser number of civilian casualties?
Lol, i proove that polish collaborated with germans, i dont say anything about allies and civilians

>>1854510
Lol, another polish idiot who think USSR delayed liberating Warsaw?

>>1854542

Well, it's not just that. The uprising took place without Sikorski's orders and played into the Soviet's hands with no reason for them to help.

>>1854521
You're out of your mind if you believe that German takes on a historical period that is heavily detrimental to their global reputation could be considered veritable, their official narrative also claims that they weren't the ones who've destroyed most of material property in the Slavic part of Europe, but the retreating Soviets.

>For that one statement

His statement is based on written testimonies of internment camps survivors.

>Since I recall you mentioning at some time that you understand German

Indeed, I speak your disgusting language quite well, but I won't read over-glorified whitewashing and utter revisionism.

>>1854536
You've only proved that many Poles were forcefully drafted, even a good portion of them were Volksdeutschers and those of half-German origin.

>>1854556

Well it's odd that the Soviets said nothing about the holocaust til 1948.

>>1854556
>You're out of your mind if you believe that German takes on a historical period that is heavily detrimental to their global reputation could be considered veritable

Funny how the first extensive and most important works on the topic have been written by Germans. The German mainstream historical community is probably the least nationalist there is

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>>1854054
>war is about K/D ratio

fucking kill yourself, ignorant child.

>>1854562
why do you lie on the internet

>>1854718

The Soviets said literally nothing about the holocaust till 48. The allies said nothi ng after nuremberg until 1960.

>>1854054
>implying anyone cares about china and russia

>>1854693
Funnily enough, not even Counterstrike is about K/D ratios.

>>1854054
Not our fault commies have to make up for their shitty military infrastructures with zerg rushing.

>>1854054
>War is about casualties and not about getting your country split in half for 44 years as part of the treaty

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>>1854054
Yes they occupied Berlin

>m-muh kd tho

actually kill yourself

pic related, the good guys won.

>>1854058
Fpbp kek

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>we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!"
>dies several months later in a car accident
jews won world war 2

>>1854054
>Germany gets split into two and becomes a British/American army base against Russia
>Japan literally gets nuked twice and becomes an American colony
>Italy have to continue existing knowing they're fucking dreadful and nobody wants them on their side in WW3

Ah yes, the axis won.

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>>1857460

Damn.

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>>1854054
>still believing the KD meme