Why were the Nazis so much more aesthetic than the Soviets

>>1851227
They put all points into Charisma and lost in real battle, where it hardly matters.

Had very little else going for them.

Because fascism is aesthethics translated into politics.
You dont create a gargantuan government apparatus with great struggle to create an enviroment centered around a religion, or around an economic system or about making people as happy as possible.

No, the 20s-tier facist does it because you have that romanesque cool af althis scenario in your head which is dank as fuck and should totally exist!

Because it's all they had. It was all about impressing with flash so you don't pay attention to substance. Like Catholicism.

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Because Hitler was a failed artist

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parades and attention to aesthetics are not uncommon in the past, its just that the nazis are the last ones to do that among other european nations

also fascism is inspired by the past, roman empire in particular for nazis

>>1851227
Hugo Boss

>>1851227
They were led by an artist

>>1851281
Looks like a movie set

>>1851243
both marxism and fascism represent political idealism and both have extremely forced and state regulated aesthetics

i mean some of the russian art in the post revolutionary era was fucking AMAZING and decades ahead of its time

>>1851278

>they were led by an autist

Ftfy

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>>1851302

>>1851309
Tbh both terms are accurate

I'm quite amused how few people acknowledge the blatant fact that Hitler was autistic

>>1851316
i meant visual art, and bronze statues are hardly impressive

>>1851281

they did some horrible, horrible things, but god damn they must have felt so alive there

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>>1851302
>marxism
No.
You are thinking about Stalinism which is again some guys wish for crafting his state like a god a world pleasing to the eye.
The nazis looked at Stalins aesthethic dreams and were convinced he might turn out like them after purging the jews over time.

That doesn't seem aesthetic to me. I think of an overwhelming state, not of good aesthetics, when I see that picture.

>>1851227
The Americans were putting their resources into rebuilding from the First Great Depression, rather than into spectacles such as those depicted.

>>1851327
Now you know why Nazism was successful, for a time

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>>1851316

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>>1851337
Nah, Murricans had Art Deco going on.
Which is amazing as I wonder how private companys were willing to agree on a common cool as fuck but expensive way to build their skyscrapers.

>>1851353
i really wish the international meme never took off and all north american cities had art deco downtowns

wartime NYC must have been so cool

>>1851359
>international meme

Nah its more.
They must have build like this for the same reason some tribal guy carves his house's posts in a very distinct way but then his son goes of to life in a blanc fassaded suburb bloc.

>>1851353

Planning Commissions.
Zoning Administrators.

>>1851380
Really?
So Companies were forced to build like this?
Goddmanit, if this isnt an argument for statism I dont know what is.

>>1851262
>>1851269
>asthetic

Do they really have to stamp literally everything with a swastika? It's a clever symbol, but seeing it a hundred times just on one street takes away from it's power. It's supposed to be a national and political symbol, not a linear pattern.

>>1851378
the post war brought so many bad things

>>1851392

>national

isn't it indo asian ?

>>1851428
The Swastika became the official flag of Germany during the Reich.

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>>1851428
>indo asian

Also indoeuropean.
You still find variations of it in a few remaining western coats of arms which werent changed.
Hitler himself didnt founf the symbol because he was a hinduboo but as a child in some villages mass at church were it was used for some reason.

>>1851447

I mean it doesn't have anything to do with the NS ideology and it's not even of german origin, it's like if American libertarians rallied behind an Ankh ? Why would a overly nationalistic party choose a foreign symbol to identify itself?

>>1851227
Art Deco>>>>>>Muh soulless giant structures

>>1851227
Because America is a crass, cultureless system that wouldn't know ascetics if it bit them on the ass

and the Soviets were run by communist.

Impressive ceremonies and neat military fashion. Literally everything else is autistic german garbage.

>>1851227
It's ugly, impractical and oppressive. All totalitarian art looks the same - huge and crude.

>>1851467
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_(Germanic_Iron_Age)

Not strictly of german origin but associated with ayrans in some way.

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>>1851428
>>1851447
>>1851463
>>1851467
>still spreading this fucking preschool myth that the Nazis "stole" a fucking symbol from poo in loos, despite using it for millenia

>>1851487
Nothings uglier than American brutalist architecture or paper balloon levittown style houses.

>>1851487

but the goal is to create something magnanimous that the whole nation/state/people can identify as a national symbol or take pride in, could something like this be huge without being crude? seem impossible to avoid

>>1851507
They stole it in ancient times. Germans as aryans come from India.

>>1851520
>"stole"
In the same way people "stole" agriculture from the middle easteners I guess.

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>>1851227
for you

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>>1851548

>there's a universe where this was finished

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>>1851227
>Talking shit about Soviet brutalism.

>>1851559
this shit's straight up 40k

If i started a thread asking for "real life 40k moments" do you think I'd get banned?

>>1851828
no. do it

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>>1851520
>Germans as aryans come from India.
Sure

>>1851545
>chinese take technology from the west
>"FUCKING CHINKS STEALING OUR TECH!"
>whitey takes technology from the east
>"Its all good."

>>1851337
>>>1851227 (OP)
>The Americans were putting their resources into rebuilding from the First Great Depression, rather than into spectacles such as those depicted.

And Hitler rebuild Nazi Germany from the ashes of post WW1 Germany, from an economic downfall so disastrous it makes the great depression look like a small puddle compared to the giant fucking shitshow that was Weimar Germany. Next you'll tell me that people buying bread with trillions of marks meant they were actually rich or something.

>/his/ ladies and gentlemen.

Nazi was a party, so why always nazi flag ? Why not german flag ?

>>1852317
The nazis gave their party flag the status of a second national flag after they got in charge. Soon thereafter they even scrapped the imperal German flag entirely and made the swastika the one and only national flag of Germany

>>1851229
>anally annihilated poland
>anally annihilated france
>anally annihilated all of mainland europe

>lost in real battle
???

ITT: Delusional Wehraboo's

>>1852293

> Its the "Hitler revived German economy meme again"

He did so by creating a war economy that was completely unsustainable in the lost term. Plus they took Jews and women out of the unemployment numbers to artificially bump up the stats.

>>1852418
That's all literally irrelevant, your suggestion that the US couldn't be aesthetic because they were rebuilding doesn't mean jack, when Germany rebuilt itself from a mess at least one order of magnitude from that of the Depression. It doesn't matter that their fiscal policy was all smoke and mirrors, what matters in this context is that the physical manifestations of said policy are considered more "aesthetic" than those from the states. I'm not even trying to argue with you, I'm just pointing out how flawed your initial argument was.

>>1852418
Actually, what happened was that Hitler endorsed the economic theory of something-or-other, took Germany off the gold standard, took apart tariffs to encourage economic exchange between German industry and developing nations, encouraged increased domestic spending, then left the economy entirely to a crack team of proffesional and radical economists rather than politicians.

>>1851243
>great struggle to create an enviroment centered around a religion,
a lot of fascist movements were centered around religion.

>>1851302
>i mean some of the russian art in the post revolutionary era was fucking AMAZING
examples?

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>>1852703

>>1851227
Their leader was an artist

Nazi was a party, so why always nazi flag ? Why not german flag ?

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>>1852721
The Soviet period was long as fuck compared to the Nazis who only ruled for about a decade

You have the immediate revolutionary era with a bunch of avant-garde shit (pic related)

then the monumental social realism of Stalin

plus the stuff influenced by Western European modernism (i.e. commieblocks, most postwar public buildings)

>>1851227
Because fascism is all about action rather than thought. The fascist truth is IN the style, the deed, the aesthetics.

>>1852721
that looks awful, soulless.

>>1851353
>Why they agreed on expensive, inconvenient but good looking trends
Trends. To be at the avantgarde what the architects deem cool it a sign of wealth. Why do you think most modern looking family homes have expensive and inconvenient flat roofs

>>1851268
>Hugo Boss
Boss didn't design German uniforms, his company produced them. I like this meme though.

>>1851327
>they did some horrible, horrible things
Goodest of goys

>>1852743
That actually predated the Russian Revolution and was painted circa 1914 if I recall correctly

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>>1852793

>>1851227
Asscraptic you mean. Why do you think all their monuments were destroyed so easily?

>>1852293
>literally every statement is wrong
Why is /pol/ allowed to post here?

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>tfw Britain can't into aesthetics

>>1853338
LMAO.

>>1853011
>Implying it was easy
Almost 9 million military casualties on the eastern front alone says otherwise, excluding bandits and partisans. I only wish they'd got 'em all.

People on 4chan just have terrible taste in general. Nazi shit was gaudy, ostentatious garbage. Not surprising that it was favoured by an uncultured parvenu like Hitler

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>>1851559
>there's a universe where the reds were nipped in the bud and the original of this was never demolished

>>1852298
LOVE this desu

>>1853442
Norks do it way better.

>>1851291
A movie about nazis?

>>1853027
>I'll just say everything is wrong without any semblance of an argument, and then proceed to ridicule him by calling him a /pol/ack.

>This surely means I'm right.

Got to love /his/ standard for debate, and you call /pol/ retarded.

>>1853687
No, a movie about talking anthropomorphic bees

>>1851227
>aesthetic
More like dreary, gaudy, and ugly
But what can you expect of fascist scum anyway? Might as well be an antonym for creativity really

>>1853365
>People on 4chan just have terrible taste in general. Nazi shit was gaudy, ostentatious garbage. Not surprising that it was favoured by an uncultured parvenu like Hitler
This! Italian fascist architecture is much better. S:t Lucia railway station in Venice is better than anything the nazis did.

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>>1854358
The Jews are behind this!

They also had catchy songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7P6rEctIsU

>>1854236
>without any semblance of an argument
Just open a history book. Any history book.

>>1852308
This photo is always so fucking crazy to me

What percentage of people in that pic didn't live to see 1946? Would it be a low amount or surprisingly high?

>>1851518
Why the hell would you be proud of a big marble block that hasn't had an ounce of care put into it? I might be proud of the Parthenon or a great colonnade of statues, but the choked up modernism and flag waving of the Nazis is pleb-tier shit. I honestly cannot understand why people think its aesthetic beyond the fact that it's consistent in style.

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>>1855305
pleb

>>1852401
>40:1 invasion in Poland that took more than 8 minutes
>Went around primary defenses and hardly fought
>Mainland Europe surrendered and gave up its territories

>lost the entire war and got its cities firebombed
Wehraboo pls go.

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>>1855319
Nazi scum

Because they were divinely inspired while those others weren't.

What was the taxation system in Nazi Germany?

>>1855602
Jews taxed 100%

>>1852308
What if you had to take a piss

>>1855343
>how do into impressive art
>the statue should have an impressed expression

>>1851227
because they 1:1 copies Greek and Roman architecture

/thread (yes I /thread my own post)

and fucking sage

>>1852750
it looks great you fucking imbecile

>>1851316
I like that bottom statue. Reminds me of a unit model of an early 2000s RTS

>>1854380
>More like dreary, gaudy, and ugly
Not really tho.
Look at soviet architecture or post-war western architecture.

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>>1853365
>gaudy, ostentatious
Not at all though. Pic related, it might not be eveyrone's cup of tea but it's not gaudy, and certainly not ostentatious. You sound butthurt.

>>1855090
And the display of logical fallacies continues.

>>1851227
Aesthetics are important to fascist ideology. They solidify their power around the symbols they fetishize and project them everywhere to remind everyone who is in charge.

>>1852401
>Invade Poland a country with a fraction the military power
>still don't think you're strong enough to take them
>two time them with Russia
>"What now Hans?"
>France
>Actually force French capitulation to the amazement of everyone
>Uhh what now?
>Plan to cross the channel
>Navy is destroyed
>Plan to take the Suez
>Rommel fucks up logistics
>"Well I guess we'll invade Russia"
>Get anally fucked by DEEP BATTLE
>In 6 years your country goes from the 3rd most powerful country in Europe to the 6th most powerful country in Berlin

Yeah they really were a superior force alright.

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>all these inferior aesthetics ITT

>>1854380
>But what can you expect of fascist scum anyway? Might as well be an antonym for creativity really
(You)

Because they used Roman aesthetics.

>>1852317
"The Party is Hitler, but Hitler is Germany, just as Germany is Hitler"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVWD_RU4yQo&bpctr=1477106123#t=35

>>1851227
I honestly always viewed the Nazi aesthetic as creepy and cult-like.

>>1851227
You can make a very solid case that Nazism is nothing other than an art project.

There's nothing rational about it. It appeals to the sense of beauty. Of cleanliness.

The Nazis understood that reality doesn't matter. Fantasy matters. If you have an artistic vision of what you are achieving, then suffering seems okay.

>>1851322
>hitler was an autist
>possibly the most charismatic man to ever live was an autist
SURELY YOU JEST

>>1851392
On the contrary, putting it everywhere "charged" the sigil and made it more relevant. See Christian crosses or our own frogposters here.

>>1856453
This is literally high school knowledge.

>And Hitler rebuild Germany from the ashes of post WW1
That happened around 1924 after the hyperinflation (read about Dawes Plan) thanks to the policies of Gustav Stresemann.

>giant fucking shitshow that was Weimar Germany
By 1928 Germany was already one of the leading powers in Europe. It was a member of the League of Nation, it had great relations with Soviet Russia and it was on its way to economically surpass France.

>Next you'll tell me that people buying bread with trillions of marks
Hyperinflation ended in 1924. Hitler was in Landsberg Prison when it happened.

It's sad that this is a history board and I need explain you this.

>>1857768
If Weimar Germany was so great why people voted for NSDAP?

>>1857863
>why people voted for NSDAP
The Great Depression is the main reason. They didn't vote for NSDAP in 1928.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1928

SPD - 29,8% - those are the guys responsible for German revolution, Hitler called them the November Criminals.

DNVP - 14.2% - conservatives

Zentrum - 12.1% - Catholics

KPD - 10.6% - Communists - the continuation of the Spartacists, those evil Jews that destroyed Germany

NSDAP - 2.6%

>>1853368
All churches should be blown desu senpai.

>>1852793
there were two revolutions ya dingus

>>1857514
>6th most powerful country in Berlin

lmao

Great example pf Nazi aesthetics (NSFW)

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