What would Germany have become if Ernst Thålmann won, rather

>>1841968
A soviet butt buddy

EIN FINGER KANN MEN BRECHEN, ABER FUNF FINGER SIND DER FAUST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzBCiyDkXPw

>>1841968

eastern european tier shithole/Stalins bitch state. East Germany, only earlier.

>>1842008
>implying Socialist Germany wouldn't have distanced itself from the USSR and shifted towards national-communism.

>>1842032
Much more likely Soviet Union would end up his Bitch State.

>>1841968
War. Britain's appeasement policy was motivated to have germany as a wall against communism.

>>1842037
Let's not exaggerate.
The point is that if German Communists have won in the 30s without a direct Soviet intervention they would have been in a better position to negotiate.
Stalin wouldn't just bully them like a Soviet satellite and Socialist Germany wouldn't just accept orders.

>>1841986
Ironically this shitpost is true.
Without all the shit caused by the Nazis there wouldn't have been so much foreign immigration into Germany.

>>1842032
Thalmann was a Soviet puppet, and a corrupt embezzler to boot.

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Is he the Eugene Debs of Germany?

Did he write anything worth reading?

>>1841968

probably a civil war between right wing (NSDAP, DNVP) parties and left wing parties (KPD, SPD) -> which would lead to a even weaker 3. Reich under Hitler (or somebody similar if he dies in the CW)

>>1842032

>literal soviet shill

>"hurr he wouldnt be their puppet despite the same thing happening to every other jerk off like him"

>>1841968
Germany would be a (relatively) poor shit-backwards developing country like Poland, but as the glorious turk said >>1841986 still white since there would be no 3rd world immigration and probably no EU.

>>1842008
Better than Nazi Germany

>>1842037
That's a really interesting proposition actually.

>>1842058
According to whom?

>>1842058
>liberals siding with literal fascists just to fuck over socialists

Christ. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

>>1842075
>a corrupt embezzler

That's disappointing, he seemed pretty cool. Is there evidence of this corruption?

>>1842090
Thalmann was the big "what if" for Germans in the 20th century

Unlike Debs, he came close to holding power

>>1842972

>implying that fascists aren't socialists

>>1843147
They aren't. They don't give workers control of industry.

>>1843321
they do in the same way democratic socialists do

its just not an extreme form

>>1843345
No they don't, not at all. The Nazis never made an effort to destroy capitalism.

>>1843393
>When President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler German Chancellor on January 30, 1933, people did not know what to expect as regards the economic policy of the new regime. There were disturbing signs that the National Socialists had radical reforms in mind. The "unalterable" 25 point 1920 program of the party proposed, among other things, "that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished"; "the nationalization of all trusts"; "profit-sharing in large industries"; and "an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land."

>>1843593
Then when they got power they instantly purged the left-wing of the party.

>>1842002
>not posting best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L740ESYghT0

>>1843393
>>1843593
Also, read Nazi-Sozi by Joseph Goebbels. It's really short.

>>1843601
The NSDAP wasn't based on communist economics, it was socialism of the non-marxist kind, Strasserists were some sort of proto National Bolsheviks and too similar to communism. They were of course more left-wing than Hitler, however Hitler was still pretty left-wing (economically) according to modern standards.

>>1842002
>>1843619
>Not posting the song that got sung in both the SS and DDR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0p-egT5vek

>>1843619
>The NSDAP wasn't based on communist economics, it was socialism of the non-marxist kind, Strasserists were some sort of proto National Bolsheviks and too similar to communism. They were of course more left-wing than Hitler, however Hitler was still pretty left-wing (economically) according to modern standards.
Did you get the impression I said anything of the like?

>>1843593
Yet none of this happened.

>>1843630
What I was trying to insinuate is that they purged the crypto-communist side of the party. But the ones that remained were still left-wing.

Far-left (Strasser) vs Center-left (Hitler)

>>1843634
Controlling the output-input of goods, the state management of corporations and having every company subordinate to the state is pretty much a socialist measure. They didn't nationalise anything, that's true, but they still had total control over the economy.

>>1841968

Germany would have collaborated with Stalin and not betrayed him, between them they would have carved up Poland but they might have had a much harder time winning in the West, since presumably without Hitler there is no attack thru the Ardennes.

>>1843705
What makes you think Stalin would have stopped after engulfing Pooland?

>>1843733
He did imply he wouldn't with the "war in the west", no?
And why wouldn't he?

>>1843733

The German army would ensure that, and Stalin had no interest in territorial expansions. I could see the two fighting a nuclear WW3 to determine which is panjandrum of the Socialist Utopia tho, after they finish off France and sign some kind of cease-fire with the UK.

>>1843679
Socialism isn't state control, it's worker control

>>1843740
>Stalin had no interest in territorial expansions
>Romania
>Poland
>Finland
>China
>Japan
>Estonia
>Latvia
>Lithuania
>Iran

>>1843929
Perhaps in Marxist theory, but since it's never been tried **:^)** we'll just use the most common type of socialism; statism.

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>>1841968
>Thälmann "wins"
>socialdemocrats are sworn enemies they are doing jack shit to help
>everything that is even moderately right wing is 1000000% opposed including all of the armed forces and bureaucracy
>right wing forces would have been able to unite because despite all of their infighting the cracks weren't as big as the ones on the left
>Thälmann either quickly resigns as chancellor or gets shot by the Reichswehr/right wing forces

Everyone even semi knowledgeable about the Weimar Republic knows there was no way for the commies to win.

>>1846064

>living hell

Why do stormfags go on about being so strong and noble and yet play the pathetic victim card whenever they can?

Really makes you think... No wonder they fantasize about blacks raping their women so often. They're fucking cucks lol

>>1846064
Yeah dude

Jews rule the world and they are all communists too

>>1846108

You caught me bro

Now back I go to my billion dollar mansion to play whitey's next humiliating defeat.

Give me a break.

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>>1846114
>Communism is jewish though.

they were all atheist

>>1846175

jewish isnt an ethnicity, neither is "white." communism is not about jewish supremacy or whatever, its about the jewish identity being erased, along with all other religious and ethnic identities.

Have you ever wondered why most jews in israel now are immigrants from soviet russia? Why would they leave their perfect jew controlled utopia to live in some mid east shithole and have a bunch of angry muslims start a war with them every other decade?

>When a /pol/tard is all riled up.

>>1846064
Rosa was an angel desu

>>1846175
Very few Ashkenazi Jews identify as non-white. But the concept of whiteness wasn't really applicable to the Russian Empire because they're all mongrels over there.

>>1846241
>If there is no such thing as white, then how do anti-racists identify racists?

white is a race, not an ethnicity. Stop twisting my words around

>>1846246

Not really, a lot of jews left before Stalin was ever in power because Lenin was hard on actual religious jews just like he was hard on christians

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>>1846256

complete goalpost moving nonsense.

Did you really have to reply to me multiple times in a row?