Was the Weimar Republic really a shithole? I'm sure it

>>1841513

The economy was pretty rough, but culturally it flourished.

>>1841513
Culturally, it was great.

Economically and in terms of political stability, things were hard from 1918 to 1924 and again after 1929, but from 1924 to 1929 there was a brief golden age when the economy was doing well and things were pretty stable.

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>>1841513
They had top tier /pol/ banter.

>>1841521
Surely it fluctuated between 1919 and 1933?

>>1841564
Those are Spartacist commies, it's actually /his/ banter

>>1841804
See: >>1841539

Between 1924 and 1929 it was a great country with a very high standard of living.

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>>1841814
true

>>1841513
Culturally it was degenerate
economically is was being fucked in every hole like the whore it was

>>1841945
Degeneracy doesn't exist

>>1843639


Insecure degenerate detected.

>>1843651
says the dude jacking it to mommy porn

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>>1841945
> Culturally it was degenerate
Any examples of so called degeneracy?

>>1841945
>it was degenerate

sounds wonderful

>>1843677
>rape jokes

fucking degenerate

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>>1841945

>4channer calling a 1920s Western society degenerate.

>>1841539
>Culturally, it was great.

no it wasnt. It was a cheap whore house of what amounts to the EDM eurotrash shit of its day.

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>>1841945
>degenerate

>>1843716
Yeah, of course. Because it's totally not like Weimar Germany isn't widely considered to be a cultural capital of the 20s. I mean by people that aren't insane neo-Nazis.

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>>1843716

Couldn't find my "stop liking what I don't like" pic, so here's this instead.

>>1843739
What happened to you as a child that made you so weird

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>>1843735
>isn't widely considered to be a cultural capital of the 20s.

>>1843738

its the opposite really. A bunch of goons pretending to like shit only because the nazis didnt like it

>>1843735


The biggest thing weimar germany was know for was all the male prostitutes in berlin and building a whole academy dedicated to turning people into transvestites lmao.

>>1843739
> most natural thing in life
Who cares? Degeneracy is when you allow things to go their natural way instead of doing hard work of sustaining moral superiority.

>>1843749


Yeah but your definition of moral superiority is being a cuck so clearly you're not the expert here unlike me.

>>1843754
I missed your point, are you expert in being a cuck?

>>1843746
>its the opposite really. A bunch of goons pretending to like shit only because the nazis didnt like it

But Weimar Germany was cool. The Nazis hating it is just icing on the cake.

>>1843747
t. probable Neo Nazi

>>1843775


My undergraduate was extensive anthropological studies of cuck tribesmen in their natural habitats (such as the bullpens). I even had the honor of fucking someones waifu for them. He thanked me profusely afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic#Golden_Era_.281924.E2.80.931929.29

>widely considered by mainstream academia (ie 99% of historians of the geographic era) to be a golden age

>>1843794
how do you post such blatant nonsense and not get permabanned while posting anime on /sci/ gets you banned instantaneously

>>1843789


If the coolest thing since sliced bread to you is making movies about sex then yeah you might think their output was teh bestest lol (yes, *their* output, not works *about* the time, works *from* the time).

>>1843789
>But Weimar Germany was cool.

no it wasnt. It was tacky garbage that was rightfully forgotten almost immediately and now you pretend to like it to "stick it" to imaginary stormfags that arent even here and who most likely dont even give a shit

you seem like the type of faggot that says "real communism has never been tried" unironically

>>1843816
/his/ has no mods

>>1843826
is /his/ secretly an anarcho capitalist experiment?

>>1843820
>>1843825
I dunno, I'm pretty fond of Einstein and Husserl, who were prominent during the Weimar era.

Also, see >>1843805 and suck it.

>>1843816


I engage with the quoted posts on the level they deserve. When someone engages in what amounts to the rhetorically veiled equivalent of poo flinging, i engage in explicit and masterfully crafted pooflings by way of response.

>>1843789
The Nazis hated killing themselves. You gonna try that too?

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>>1843831

this is /his/

Also German Expressionism came out of the Weimar era and anyone that doesn't like that is a complete fucking pleb. Further I'm very fond of Otto Dix, another Weimar era artist (who them fucking plebian, anti-intellectual clowns in the NSDAP declared degenerate for not being pro-war in his art).

>>1843747
That's hot.

If it weren't for the Nazis, Germany could be way ahead of its time in the trap market.

>>1843848
Of course not, I don't think things are good just because the Nazis didn't like them. Hence why I enjoy the Weimar period of Germany. The fact the Nazis hated something I happen to enjoy just makes it a little better.

>>1843852
/lit/ isn't dumb enough to get into arguments with shitposters.

That would be Leftypol.

>>1843858

only countries ahead in the trap market are third world shitholes. And I've done literally no research into this, but I think even then its only because these places are hot spots for sex tourist, and the locals are so poor, this is like the only way they can make money, so even dudes scratch by to save up to get fake tits ect. so they can make a more convincing woman.

Just like Germany was.

>>1843862
It isn't necessarily dumb to argue with unwitting shitposters. It can be enjoyable watching unironic /pol/tards squirm under scrutiny, bending over backwards to justify their beliefs.

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It was a paradise for Jews, and hell for everyone else.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-02/reason-hyperinflation-phobia

>“The collapse of money and the collapse of morals became identical,” writes Taylor. Flesh was for sale as is depicted in “Cabaret” and not just with traditional prostitutes but “the newly dispossessed daughters (and sons) of the educated middle class, who had now also taken to the sex trade, were endlessly available at a price–preferably in cigarettes, precious metals or hard currency rather than paper marks.”

>With the inflation wiping out the savings of the middle class, it meant young women had no dowries to offer. “When the money became worthless,” wrote one woman, “it destroyed the whole system for getting married, and so it destroyed the whole idea of remaining chaste until marriage.”

>The author cites a story from Russian writer Ilya Ehrenburg about a night out with friends from Berlin’s foreign colony. he writes that they ended up at a “thoroughly respectable bourgeois apartment.” They were offered lemonade with a little alcohol in it and then the two daughters of the house entered, in an unclothed state, and began to dance. The mother looked hopefully at the foreign guests: Perhaps her daughters would please them and would pay well, in dollars, of course. “And this is what we call life,” the mother sighed. “Actually it’s purely and simply the end of the world.”

>>1843862
>/lit/ isn't dumb enough to get into arguments with shitposters.


LIDF pls go

>>1843855
Oh, actually I'm mistaken. Expressionism is from before WW1, it just continued into the Weimar era before getting quashed by the Nazis, who hate almost everything good.

>>1843869
No, the best traps are American.

America is #1 in everything good.

>>1843862
the average /lit/ poster is pretty fucking stupid. About as stupid as another other asshole on 4chan that is.

>>1843875
You realize hyper-inflation was pretty much entirely a product of the American stock market crashing because the Germany economy had become dependent on foreign debt as part of a process to pay back the reparations for the treaty of Versailles, right? It wasn't some plot to destroy the Germans or something.

There's a ton of dreck that came out of Weimar Germany as far as culture is concerned. Remember that the masterpieces of the era have been carefully honed over almost a century of watching and rewatching and contemplating. That said, the good shit that came out of Weimar was verifiably "the good shit."

Totally not worth what came before or after for Germany though, lmao.

>>1843839


>I dunno, I'm pretty fond of Einstein and Husserl

Material sciences are greatly straining the colloquial sentiment of 'cultural output'.

You've got one prominent philosopher, okay. There were several other prominent philosophers around the world at the time as well. Hardly stunning evidence of a 'golden national age'.

>

If everyone voted that sun orbiting the earth was the truth that would not make epicycles suddenly start kicking in. Epistemology by consensus is an abomination and you should feel bad for using it.

>>1843891
>You've got one prominent philosopher, okay. There were several other prominent philosophers around the world at the time as well. Hardly stunning evidence of a 'golden national age'.

You're a fucking retard. They were a defense against the charge of liking Weimar Germany because the Nazis hated it. If you want evidence of it being a golden age, you need only read something about it that wasn't written by a Nazi or Neo-Nazi.

>If everyone voted that sun orbiting the earth was the truth that would not make epicycles suddenly start kicking in. Epistemology by consensus is an abomination and you should feel bad for using it.

Beats basing my epistemology on whether or not Hitler thought it was true.

In the late 1920s it was doing so good that the far right had given up on muh stab in the back and the Versailles meme and had to move on to "Weimar is degenerate!" memes. Then the crash revived Hitler's career.

>>1843889

Dude, what? German hyperinflation was from 1919-1924.

>>1843891
>Material sciences are greatly straining the colloquial sentiment of 'cultural output'.

The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari was both one of the first true horror films and one of the best ever made.

>>1843889

lol no. The German economy was fucking horrible after WW1. They did make some progress in fixing it, but the great depression just kicked them right back into the same hole

>>1843906
>>1843912
In either case, it wasn't some plot to destroy the German people. It was a shitty economic situation that tyrants like Hitler, in true Platonic fashion capitalized on to take power, and you idiots are still parroting the memes of his propaganda department.

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>>1843900


So can't actually provide examples? Expected.

Pic related, a real literary masterpeice.

>>1843900

>golden age
>lasts all of five years
>ends because the country's sugar daddy has a stock market crash

I wouldn't oversell Weimar.

>>1843918

It was a shitty economic situation that Germans got themselves into because ever since Bismarck kicked the bucket, the Germanic people keep going full retard. How can a country be so good at tactics but so abysmal at strategy?

>>1843912
Yeah, it was so bad that it was on par with most European countries at the time.

>>1843925
He says, right after an example was posted >>1843910

Also the entire works of Otto Dix.

>>1841539
>Culturally, it was great.
t.(((Anon)))

>>1843651
Define degeneracy.

>>1843862
There's enormous leftypol and lit overlap

>>1843964
anything I don't like

>>1843964

Things that make people happy.

>>1843964
Fun that other people are having that the /pol/io is not.

>>1843953


I'd say the great gatsby blows that shit out of the water.

I'll let you in on one weird trick (professors will HATE you); there's something you could call the 'posterboy principle'. To put it in simple language relevant to matters at hand, if the best example you can find of something is okay, the average example of that thing is terrible.

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>>1843875
>/pol/ citing a literal Jewish communist when it suits them

Classic

>>1844006
Those are some hot fucking opinions there. But if you're going to try and hide behind such idiotic subjectivities, I'll remind you that mainstream intellectuals disagree with you, and you haven't been able to so much as provide any proof of your own claims, whereas I can bring up highly influential intellectuals that were prominent during the Weimar era, influential pieces of film and major artistic movements.

Your initial claim of "you just like it because the Nazis hated it" is bunk, and you've done nothing to disrupt the claim that you're not just some raving member of the Alt-Right.

>>1843890
The German Empire had some pretty grand culture except for cinema. It's really just the Nazis that fucked it all up.

>>1844029

The Nazis were and remain a symptom of the failures of the German monarch to get his shit together.

>>1844001
Kek

>>1844049
But the eradication of German thought wouldn't have happened if they had never taken power

>>1844059

The eradication of German thought never happened, it's just a fairy tale Germans tell each other to signal that they think the Nazis were evil. Germany continues to pump out high-tier thinkers to this day.

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>>1844023


Across the decade from the 20s to the 30s, one german won a nobel prize for literature, which seems to have slipped the minds of the dilettantes trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

I'll even do you a solid and name him for you; it was Thomas Mann's 'The Magic Mountain'.

A good book certainly, but The Wasteland? The Sound And The Fury? Masterpieces.


>Your initial claim of

You were arguing with a different guy there lol get your head in the game anon.

>>1844075

What I don't understand is why these retards skip straight to books. Do they not think cinema is culturally important? Are they autistic?

>>1844074
Germany was very nearly the center of the world in philosophy, music, cinema, art, and literature in the early 30s. None of that is anywhere near true today.

>>1844084
Yeah, cinema and visual arts, those are nothing.

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>>1844084


Books rule, movies drool.

>>1844104

If you take "very nearly" literally to mean "it was next to France." Of those things you said, cinema was really the only thing Weimar had going for it. Which is a terrific niche, really; just look at the golden age of Hollywood.

>>1843964
A concept that only exists as a ghost of the mind.

A "spook" if you will.

>>1844014
Also worth noting that the "Degenerate Germany" poster he posted is clearly anti-Imperial German propaganda.

>>1844075
The Nobel Prize isn't a good gauge for the best writers, look at Bob Dylan's recent win for albums he released fifty years ago.

That period also produced Steppenwolf, The Trial, Siddartha, the Threepenny Opera, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Storm of Steel.

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>>1844139


Hey mang, i love me some junger and hesse, but those works i named didn't get nobels either.

>>1844122
France? Nah.

Germany was first in music, second in cinema to America, third in literature to Britain and America, first in literature, and possibly first in art.

What fields did France lead in the 1930s? Besides the greats like Vigo and Renoir, their film industry was noticeably barren.

>>1844163

>besides their good works, it was shit

Huh?

>>1844170
They had two directors before the war. Germany had Fritz Lang, FW Murnau, Pabst, Ernst Lubitsch, Robert Weine, Josef von Sternberg, and Erich von Stroheim. Otto Preminger and Billy Wilder, raised in this environment, larer became some of the greatest Hollywood filmmakers.

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>>1843716
>>1841945
>nazis
>any kind of a gauge of cultural "degeneracy"

>>1844163
Paris was still the global cultural capital where writers, painters, musicians, etc. from other countries would go to work.