What black person achieved the highest prominence in Europe during

Mozart I guess

>>1840505
Well not that guy because he was Haitian and also later hacked to death.

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Isn't it obvious?

>>1840521
You're thinking of somebody else?

Wikipedia says it was cancer.

>>1840521
Wrong nigga, nigga, that nigga is Alexandre Dumas snr. Who was a general under Napoleon. He was 1/2 black and 1/2 white, a mulatto to use the terminology of the time. His son was the famous writer Alexandre Dumas jnr (Quadroon) and his grandson was Alexandre Dumas III (Octoroon) was a poet.

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>>1840531
Mistook him for Dessalines.

>>1840521
Huh?

TA Dumas was a French officer who served in the Pyrenees during the revolutionary wars

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>"For our declaration of independence, we should have the skin of a white man for parchment, his skull for an inkwell, his blood for ink, and a bayonet for a pen!"
I'd say Dessalines got to live out the dream of every BLM supporter :^)

>>1841484
>le BLM is antiwhite meme

Frederick Douglass probably

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toussaint_Louverture
Haiti isn't European but it's a Western society in the New World. In his time, it was one of two states to gain independence from its colonizer.

>François-Dominique Toussaint Louverture (French: [fʁɑ̃swa dɔminik tusɛ̃ luvɛʁtyʁ] 20 May 1743 – 7 April 1803), also known as Toussaint L'Ouverture or Toussaint Bréda, was the best-known leader of the Haitian Revolution.[6] His military and political acumen saved the gains of the first Black insurrection in November 1791. He first fought for the Spanish against the French; then for France against Spain and Britain; and finally, for Saint-Domingue (modern Haiti)'s colonial sovereignty against Napoleonic France. He then helped transform the insurgency into a revolutionary movement, which by 1800 had turned Saint-Domingue, the most prosperous slave colony of the time, into the first free colonial society to have explicitly rejected race as the basis of social ranking.

>Though Toussaint did not sever ties with France, his actions in 1800 constituted a de facto autonomous colony. The colony's constitution proclaimed him governor for life even against Napoleon Bonaparte's wishes.[7] He died betrayed before the final and most violent stage of the armed conflict. However, his achievements set the grounds for the Black army's absolute victory and for Jean-Jacques Dessalines to declare the sovereign state of Haiti in January 1804. Toussaint's prominent role in the Haitian success over colonialism and slavery had earned him the admiration of friends and detractors alike.[8][9]

>>1841484
I would not think a foreigner such as yourself would know much about BLM in the United States. So your ignorance is forgiven.

>>1841498
>Implying being pro-black doesn't make you anti-white, anti-Hispanic, anti-religious*, anti-Asian, anti-rural, and a racialist
*Unless you're pro-black because of a religious conviction, in which case your religion makes you intolerant and a good portion of your momentary political allies, being atheists, view you as a useful idiot

>>1840505
Pushkin

>>1841498
>>1841517
Spot the cucks

BLM is a terrorist organization. Death follows them everywhere they go.

If you think BLM chanting in the streets about death to white people isn't racist your head is so far up your ass that you're eating yesterday's dinner

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>>1841498
It's not? dayumn

>>1841520
They aren't a terrorist organization. They don't commit terrorist acts.

>>1841528
Yes they do.
Political violence is always terrorism.
Race riots? Terrorism. Looting at a race riot? Terrorism.

Probably someone like Cetshwayo for punking the Brits. Always a European crowdpleaser.

Granted, that's prominence gained in Europe for actions OUTSIDE Europe.

>>1841524
That woman didn't "co found BLM," she helped start a small chapter in fucking Toronto.

Are you really implying that a rant by one member, outside the US at that, is representative of the entire movement?

>>1841530
Don't be stupid. If there was evidence of BLM instigating riots the leadership would be in prison.

BLM is milquetoast liberal controlled opposition meant to guide those damn negros away from radical thought and radical activity. They're sheepdogs in the pocket of Wall Street.

>>1841533
>outside the US at that
"Lenin's not even in Russia right now, he's in Western or Central Europe. Why should you care what he says?"

Hey, BLM debaters. If you want to have a /pol/ argument, go to /pol/.

>>1841540
>If there was evidence of BLM instigating riots the leadership would be in prison.

>Throw a literal protest against the presence of police in black neighborhoods
>Disavow the actions of the black men who come out and steal things from stores
I wonder whom this strategy would benefit, politically...
But thanks for correcting the record, I'm just a nerd virgin.

>>1841547
Hey, /his/ poster.
If you want to talk about history, go to Reddit.

>>1841541
Lmao do you actually think BLM are comparable to the Bolsheviks?

They're ultra moderate liberals who desire police reform and essentially nothing else.

www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

I WISH they were radical socialists. That would make their activity worthwhile.

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>>1841533
>Are you really implying that a rant by one member, outside the US at that, is representative of the entire movement?
Isn't that the general consensus of any nationalistic movement these days?

Also, I am actually disappointed. Cause I actually thought black people had the balls to drop the PC act and let it all out after centuries of oppression.
Or atleast against whitey and not the superior Arabs that still enslave and castrate black people in the Gulf states to this day.

>>1841484
>one /pol/ack can ruin a thread

>>1841550
>Lmao do you actually think BLM are comparable to the Bolsheviks?
I think any political movement is comparable to any other. I think the contemporary Left still has a crush on Lenin.
>They're ultra moderate liberals who desire police reform and essentially nothing else.
The alt-right just want to protect free speech and American sovereignty. There's literally nothing else to it--they're ultra-moderate liberals. No racial element.
>I WISH they were radical socialists
I didn't call them radical socialists--I made a point about the nature of internationalism in the organization of mass political movements and it went over your head.

>>1841498
You "people" are worse than the, Nazis who say the Holocaust was faked.

>>1841520
The fact that it triggers you so much proves their point. They believe all lives matter of course, but they say black lives matter because in the US they don't and that's the reality. It's not anti white, it's about justice.

>>1841552
If you follow the money and look into their FBI connections, it seems pretty clear that BLM is an organization meant to channel black radical energy away from actually revolutionary behavior. They're a covert arm of the liberal capitalist Washington machine hoping to preserve the economic and racial status quo through petty reforms.

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>>1841554
>never seen the "muh /pol/ boogeyman" after shitting on whites, arabs, jews, chinks, mexicans, persians, greeks, slavs and every other race inbetween for days constantly in threads
>talk about acts of violence done by blacks
>FUCKING /POL/TARD
Why are you so touchy, friend?

>>1841569
And that makes them unobjectionable?
"Actually revolutionary" and "anti-white" aren't synonyms anyway.

>>1841576
But nothing they want is anti-white. They're a lobbying group who try to act edgy by holding rallies whenever a black guy gets shot on camera.

>>1841576
I don't think asking for bodycams and representative quotas hurts white people.

>>1841583
>But nothing they want is anti-white.
I say again:
>>Implying being pro-black doesn't make you anti-white, anti-Hispanic, anti-religious*, anti-Asian, anti-rural, and a racialist
>They're a lobbying group who try to act edgy by holding rallies whenever a black guy gets shot on camera.
Yes, and they don't do that for white people, do they? Their drones shut down anyone who mentions violence against white people in particular, don't they? And don't try to correct my record--I've had this happen to me IRL on various occasions IRL. I've seen the videos of black rioters and looters enabled by the knowing BLM organizers. I've seen the statistics about the rise of murders in major cities since BLM protests started. Is there a new gang war going on across the country, or is this simply a consequence of 'police reform?' Can it be separated completely from 'police reform?' No, of course it can't.
Fuck you.

>>1841587
I don't think that's the whole of BLM's agenda, which includes the discursive tactics they use to draw attention to themselves and which enables looters.

>>1840548
>pretend to be very knowledgeable about and attracted to black history and historical black people
>can't distinguish between two clearly different black guys

Classic whitey.

>>1841595
I can't distinguish between Tsars and British kings, either. Fuck off.

>>1841591
Explain how being pro black makes you anti everyone else

>>1841598
Kek

>>1841624
We live in a zero-sum polity and a zero-sum economy, stupid!

>>1841498
>>1841517
>>1841528
>>1841533
>>1841540
>>1841550
>>1841568
>>1841591
>>>/reddit/

>>1841595
>>>/kfc/

>>1841634
Go back to /ic/

>>1841591
Well, they're only anti-Hispanic when it comes to all the other races within that ethnicity. The Spanish-rooted niggers are with them as well. I've witnessed the Hispanic niggers push away the Asian, White, and Mixed Hispanics and Latinos.

>>1841630
Well it is true. People just don't recognize it when they're the ones gaining something.

>>1841647
Have Sex and Get a Clue

BLM is a joke. By not rejecting capitalism, they'll never achieve any actual liberation.

>>1841717
I read this as have sex and sniff some glue.

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>>1840505

Mozart

>>1841816

yeah, just look how great communism was at liberating the blacks in evil and backwards Rhodesia and south africa

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>>1841884
atleast it allowed them to remove and kill whitey

>>1841884
Communists have never been in charge of either state.

Even if you think South Africa is a worse country than it was under Apartheid, the black majority is overwhelmingly better-off now.

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>>1842013
>Communists have never been in charge of either state.

Communist Chinamen and a little bit of the soviets had been active in subverting and taking over the declining colonial powers in Africa since the 1960s, how do you not know this?

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jpQSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w_YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6663%2C3582966

Have you never read about Ches whacky congo adventures?

>the black majority is overwhelmingly better-off now.

murder and rape stats are through the roof now AND not only are they just as poor as before, now there is even less chance of them getting out of that hole because theres no jobs either.

Even the ONE fucking thing they do have down there, trophy hunting, is being targeted by western liberal faggots to try and ban it because "its mean :("

Even the current Zulu King said that the new government is a complete failure

http://businesstech.co.za/news/government/106411/zulu-king-apartheid-government-respected-me/

Have you ever actually studied this? Or do you just parrot whatever your philosophy 101 prof says?

>>1842013
I'd say yes, better off for human rights reasons, but economically and educationally (except tertiary education, the throughput rate of blacks has dramatically increased there) you definitely cannot say that they are overwhelmingly better off, and it could definitely be argued that in a few ways the black majority is now worse off. They're certainly no better represented politically, but I guess if they want to keep voting for the ANC that's their democratic right :^)

t. South African.

Memeing aside though there are serious issues being caused by the racially-charged politics here. Many (the majority of) blacks are not politically conscious because they are uneducated. They are uneducated because the ANC is more interested in lining the pockets of its leaders than running the country. Because they are not politically conscious they do not see this, and so do continue to vote for the ANC literally because
>muh liberators

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>>1842054
>murder and rape stats are through the roof now
Totally false

>>1842054
>Even the current Zulu King said that the new government is a complete failure
The Zulu King called to attack foreigners in SA (and its braindead subjects did). He's a very dense mother fucker, I wouldn't pay too much attention to him.

Also, check your bias
> if it's not perfect right now, that has to mean it was the worst option.

Ffs, you couldn't travel freely as a Black person, you needed inland passport. Yeah, it isn't great, it's corrupted, poor and there is a lot of shit happening. But there is room for progress. A rickety road is better than a comfy wall.

>>1842060

Also, Nelson Mandellas second wife literally tortured and murdered children

>>1842060
>>1842060
Because I know you'll demand them, the few ways that I know off the top of my head are:
-far worse crime
-unemployment through the roof
-worse primary and secondary education (disputed, but the fact that it's being said by black professors should set your neurons firing)
-worse overall economy affecting food prices, transport costs, etc while providing no increase in salary

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>>1842060
Clearly you should remove science related to the West and start from the beginning and rebuild everything circa the Classic era with black scientists only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

I mean, who wants to learn shit about racist whiteys like Newton?

>>1842079
don't listen to people who haven't been to SA. The racewar spouted by /pol/ isn't happening.

Plus, Cape town is comfy.

>>1842079
Your graph only starts the year after the 1994 elections. The runup to which was the most violent period in South Africa's history. And the decline has been minute. Try extending the domain of that graph a bit.

>>1842094
Kek also this. Our tertiary education system is quite literally on the brink of collapse from violent protests with no government intervention as yet to fix it.

>>1842079
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-murder-rate-51-killed-every-day-rise-49-per-cent-a7224176.html

They are. Its a very violent country

>>1842080
>check your bias!
>strawman goalpost moving

you said Communism played no part in Africa, alluded that it would benefit it, and said they are much better off than under colonial rule

Communist was tried there, it failed horribly, and now they continue to live in shit, except now they are even more corrupt and disenfranchised.

But at least upper middle class white suburbanites who like to play pretend revolutionary like you can bring up Africa to make some virtue signaling point about something you clearly know nothing about. Just remember this the next time you start bitching about some dentist who shot a zebra on vacation

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>>1842106
>with no government intervention as yet to fix it.
Because that would be racist, friend.

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>>1842098
K, sure.

>>1842096
I live in Cape Town. It is comfy, and I love it here. But there's a reason why literally everyone has a wall around their house. It isn't a racewar, that is true, but it certainly is violent as all hell. Plus worse rape rate in the world. Google "break ins in South Africa" and I'm sure you can find something out of A Clockwork Orange within 2 minutes. I mean just in the area around UCT alone there have been over a dozen rapes (if memory serves) just in the past few months.

>>1842121
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-rape-nightmare-crime-stats

they literally rape children because they are stupid ooga boogas who think it will cure them of AIDS. Thanks communism!

>>1842112
>They are. Its a very violent country
It is, but that doesn't even remotely prove your point. Year over year changes do not change the fact that crime has fallen since the end of apartheid in 1994

>>1842127
yeah, its a shame with whats happening to the UWC and UCT campuses. Especially since they are important historically too. The mixed rector dude was pretty based.

I like the fact that you lads have armed response security to save your bacon and are armed yourself. I found out the hard way that walking on highways mean junkies try to stab you for monies.

>>1842137
Your own article literally says sexual assaults stats have fallen, though?

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>>1842091
>far worse crime
Not true, see
>>1842079
>>1842121
>unemployment through the roof
>worse overall economy affecting food prices, transport costs, etc while providing no increase in salary
Also untrue

>>1842138
>the fact that crime has fallen since the end of apartheid in 1994

You do realize South Africa has a HORRIBLE rape problem, right? The UN has stated that it is the worst country when it comes to rape and second worse when it comes to violent assault

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-09-09-counting-south-africas-crimes

>>1842121
That agrees with what I'm saying. Chaos begins in the 80s and doesn't subside after the ANC government takes over, not for many years at least, and is increasing again now. Also try that graph but for rape. Also could I get a citation?

>>1842148
>...but experts say true figures are much higher

try actually reading the article

>>1842157
We have a 30-odd % unemployment rate among people aged 18-30 IIRC. I'd say that counts as "through the roof." And how in the hell are you going to argue that we have a stronger economy now?

>>1842160
Everybody realizes that, but that was true before apartheid ended as well.

>>1842175
I did, all it says is sexaul assault rates have fallen, but experts estimate that real rates are higher (which is true in literally every country)

>>1842138
"Since the end of apartheid" is an absolutely meaningless phrase when it comes to crime stats. Apartheid ended after a period of severe unrest including sporadic declarations of a state of emergency. There were general popular uprisings and the military was used in lieu of regular police. Obviously that specific period is going to be easy to beat in terms of crime stats, but the rest of the time, not so much.

>>1842165
>That agrees with what I'm saying. Chaos begins in the 80s and doesn't subside after the ANC government takes over, not for many years at least, and is increasing again now
It shows that murder rates are lower now than under apartheid, it shows that they started to fall immediately after the end of apartheid of 1994.

>Also try that graph but for rape
I couldn't find one, maybe you can

>Also could I get a citation?
It is from this book:
http://www.jonathanball.co.za/index.php/component/virtuemart/a-citizen-s-guide-to-crime-statistics-detail?Itemid=6

>>1842190
>a period of severe unrest including sporadic declarations of a state of emergency. There were general popular uprisings and the military was used in lieu of regular police
Which was a direct result of the apartheid system

>>1842190
>the rest of the time, not so much
The graph shows the current rates are on par with those in 60s and 70s

>>1842112
> Trying to deflect criticism by accusing of strawman argument
>"Just remember this the next time you start bitching about some dentist who shot a zebra on vacation"
> Oh well

My point remains. The situation is not good now, clearly. But you can't reasonably support the idea the black SA would be overall better off - and stay OK with all this - if apartheid had remained.
Material comfort and relative safety can only satisfy you so much.

For all the crime and corruption that is happening now, the black majority have more room to thrive in the coming decades. Communism/socialism hasn't work so much, it will do so through another system. There is no need to be dogmatic about the system used.
They might fuck it all up, but it's not like keeping apartheid was either possible or a smooth ride in perspective.

>>1842215
the person who actually lived in SA posted far more relevant data that shows that crime rates have gone down to far lower levels since the Apartheid ended.

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>>1842177
>And how in the hell are you going to argue that we have a stronger economy now?
Because that is literally what the facts say

>>1842094
kebab shitposter

our greatest weapon against both /pol/ and sjws

the hero we need

>>1842269
don't encourage it.

>>1842272
just become kurd poster or mongol poster or w/e to counter him

>>1842284
I don't know or care about either people.
The kurds are also feral and the shitposter will say that the mongols were turks in true turkiyye fashion

I'm black. If you support BLM, you're literally retarded.

>>1843344
Sure thing buddy

>>1842185
>but that was true before apartheid ended as well.

no it wasnt. It got worse

>>1841569
More like a plot of the jews to create a race war in america imo

I mean, since Hollywood started to produce films like Django Unchained it's pretty obvious they want a race war.

>>1843656
Rape was always an issue in South Africa.

>>1842112
Communism wasn't tried in SA though. it was pretty much neutered by the end of Aparthied.

>>1841498
It is a terrorist organization and should be banned.

>>1843656
look at the crime stats in general. Things began to return to normalcy after the 1994 elections.

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>>1840505

>>1842221
What caused the spike in 2005?

>>1842284
please no there are enough tripfags already. It took us fucking ages to get rid of Constantine.