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When did you realize 9th century Europe was basically the Cold War?
The West was
>Decentralized
>Dominated by nobility
>Vaguely democratic
>Generally anti-peasant
The East was
>Centralized
>Dominated by bureaucrats
>Undemocratic and autocratic
>Generally pro-peasant
Both states were massive rivals seeking dominance over Europe, with unlikely allies outside Europe. The relationship between the Charlemagne and the Abbasids is remarkably similar to the relationship between the US and China during the Cold War. Similarly, the Byzantine Empire propped up the Muslim state on Charlemagne's doorstep just like how the Soviets supported cuba.
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>>1836951
>cordoba califate was under byzantine influence
wtf nigga
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>>1836961
They actually had very friendly diplomatic relations and an informal alliance
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>>1836951
This post has lots of bullshit but this one is the greatest
>the west was democratic
>9th century
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>>1836951
It wasn't. Everything you wrote is 100% wrong.
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>>1836951
>Similarly, the Byzantine Empire propped up the Muslim state on Charlemagne's doorstep just like how the Soviets supported cuba.
Can you develop that statement? First time hearing something like that.
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>>1836951
>"""""the west"""""
>"""""the east""""
>as if they were monolithic.
Fuck. Off.
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>>1836951
Where is Great Moravia?
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>>1836951
>The West was
>>Generally anti-peasant
How do you figure?
Peasants in Western Europe (more so in pagan Eastern Europe) in the 800s had all kinda freedoms and political standing, it wasn't until later that they became more and more subject to the local lords.
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>>1836951
Wrong, wrong and wrong again.
-The West were mostly statelets battling each other.
-The East technically includes pagan entities which didn't even qualify as feudal states, let alone centralized ones.
-Bureaucrats were a thing only in the Sasanid Empire, everyone else lacked of them.
-Desperately projecting democracy, even in its barest form, onto places where it does not belong will not make you look better.
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>>1836951
I really enjoy the post-Roman and pre-Crusades era of Europe. Charlemagne, the advent of the Avars, Bulgars, and Magyars, Byzantium's resurgence, the Viking invasions, the explosion of Islam, al-Andalus and the beginnings of the Reconquista, the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, the Normans and the Rus setting up shop.
Why doesn't this get more attention in media? It's either the Roman Empire or the High/Late Middle Ages (basically 1096 to 1453). It boggles my mind that we haven't had a big-budget Charlemagne mini-series. Along with Napoleon, he was the greatest figure of France to even have a whole epoch revolve around his reign.
I'm glad that the Vikings show on History and The Last Kingdom gave the Anglo-Saxons some good exposure, but we need more. El Cid's exploits are easily adaptable for TV as well as the soldier-emperors of Byzantium in the 10th and 11th centuries. Or the Norman conquest of southern Italy and Sicily. That shit deserves more love than the Conquest of England.
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>>1839119
Indeed.
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>>1837951
Non aligned movement
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