How come American blacks never show any interest in their West

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>>1834801
Fuck off.

>>1834801
Yeah, I'm not joking around.

Believe it or not, I want a genuine discussion about this.

West and Central African history isn't really covered in American schools, it's more of a specialist interest.

Because west and central Africans accomplished very little compared to East and Northern Africans.

>>1834824
It's the best answer you're going to get. Believing your ancestors were part of a great empire is more inspiring than believing that your great great great (you get the idea) was captured in some minor tribal skirmish and sold into slavery for a few chickens.

Because the people who were shipped over were illiterate, and there's hundreds of years of gradually forgetting the native language, and integrating into a broader "African-American" culture that doesn't have any of the tribal memories, or even any of the native languages.

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>>1834789
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>>1834830
In a way that makes sense, but it would be intellectually honest of African-Americans to embrace their West or Central African roots rather than pretending they're from East or North Africa.

>>1834789
Jews created their own black culture that the american black engage in for the sole purpose of destroying any chance of blacks having success in America. It is very strange how every black country on earth has no criminal worshipping culture like black americans.

>>1834847
>People
>Intellectually honest

Half of them believe that we wuz egyptians n shiet, and will call you racist for trying to insist otherwise.

The other half couldn't find on a map where most slaves were taken from without you telling them.

>>1834863
>DAH JOOOOOOSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

>>1834870
Every single hip hop label is owned by jews.

>>1834864
Good points. Sad but true.

It just bothers me because black nationalists make such a big fuss about their people's history, yet turn around and either outright ignore or deny the real history of African-Americans.

They're basically disowning their true history for a fabricated one that's based on appropriation, which is something they also complain about but they do that in copious amounts.

The hypocrisy and self-deception is stunning.

>>1834789
Because Ethopia is the only semi-civilized part of black, sub-saharan Africa that actually managed to accomplish more than a few mud huts.

Gangster rap became popular due to jews, before then black americans had actual decent music.

While West and Central Africa do have legitimate history worth exploring and studying, African Americans are not interested in it for one of two reasons. The WE WUZ crowd aren't actually interested in learning the real history behind their roots and are just racists with a terrible inferiority complex that try to take the greatest achievements of humanity they can find, in the name of their ancestors. They're horrifically selfish, and don't actually give a shit about real history. The more self confident Black american crowd aren't too interested either, because they honestly feel no connection to those areas and their history because of how far removed they are. Fact is, Black Americans are culturally more similar to White Americans than any other group of the planet, and no amount of GO BACK TO AFRICA is going to change that. Hell, they've got more in common with Australians than they do any Ashanti person. There's a genetic link between the two populations, but the cultural link has pretty much been annihilated. Even they truly engaged in learning the history of their ethnic roots, it wouldn't truly feel anymore satisfying than learning the history of any other area, because they no longer feel like "our people." That's why they prefer to study actual Black American historical figures from the 19th century onwards, because of how there's a common connection in the culture. They can see the roots of the traditions they witnessed growing up when studying these people in a way that they'd never get studying Great Zimbabwe.

>>1834789
African Americans aren't from West and Central Africa alone you retard, some are Madagascarian, and Sudanese.

Haitians know where they are from exactly, but AA don't, all they know is Generic African, therefore it's just as reasonable to claim all of those as ancestries.

Brits claimed Troy, the French think they're descended from a Chinese dude.

99% of these threads are just idiot racists though, so I'll get buried.

>>1834899
Most are from west and central Africa. All i see from you is whining about something that doesn't affect you personally

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>>1834879
>a few mud huts

>>1834789
Because Black American culture has been sanitized as to be another subset of Anglecized Protestants with no real connection to Africa. Any real connection with West Africa has long since been severed and as such they're entirely culturally distinct with little to nothing in common. Compare the culture of a Nigerian to an African American and you find little to tie one back to the other.

What are some traditional black names? Tyrone, Shane, Marcus, Jessie... All European derived names. And thus we have the identity crises that is subtlety at play here in Black America. Are African Americans more African, or more American? Are they an adopted part of Western civilization or mearly misguided slaves who need to reconnect with their African origins?

>>1834899

> you retard

Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Genetics

>According to a genome-wide study by Bryc et al. (2009), the overall ancestry of African Americans was formed through historic admixture between West/Central Africans (more frequently females) and Europeans (more frequently males).

All you're trying to do is derail the thread and start a flamewar.

>>1834900
You are a little fucking bitch who should head back to /pol/.

It's a rule, when you have a polyglot people you want to unite, you don't claim ancestry of one subgroup because that would alienate the rest.

When the French wanted to unite France, they claimed Samartian ancestry, and the Brits did the same with Troy.
If they claimed Frankish at that early stage, or Anglo, then all the Celtics would get left out.

Furthermore there is a fuckton of Angolan and Malagasy influence in the Gullah language.

What makes someone Black isn't being from Africa anyway, blackness is essentially repression or rejection from typical norms. That's why Bill Clinton was the first black president, "White" people treated him as a black person would be treated and therefore he became black.

>>1834911
Not that guy, but I don't get your anger. I'm not even trying to be insulting. It's an accepted fact that most African-Americans are descended from West and Central African tribes. All I'm wondering is why they don't embrace that aspect of their heritage, despite all their talk about Africa as the motherland.

>>1834918
>It's an accepted fact that most African-Americans are descended from West and Central African tribes.

Descent isn't a factor in African Americaness, why are you so obtuse about this?

"Blackness" is basically a casus beli of repression. It doesn't really matter where in Africa a part of their genes are from, any more than it mattered for Gypsies whether or not they were actually Egyptian.

Until you get that, you won't understand shit.

>>1834929
So are you actually black or just a whiney leftist

>>1834929
I don't get it, that's why I'm asking questions and trying to hold a discussion!

"Blackness" is already sounding like a vague, amorphous concept that has no foundation in historical fact or intellectual honesty. How can an African-American say their African heritage is important then deny any connection with the parts of African where their ancestors came from?

It would be like me denying my Scottish roots in favor of a vague "whiteness".

>>1834918
>despite all their talk about Africa as the motherland.

That's really just a tiny minority. Most Black Americans don't care for Africa. In fact, they overall have a very negative view of Africa as a whole, viewing it often as little more than a primitive and savage place. This is easily reinforced by all the depictions of Africa in media as a violent hellhole in constant conflict with itself.

This is getting back to the identity crises I was referring to here >>1834903. African American identity is somewhere between being Westernized "White" and being African "Black". In Liberia, freed American slaves who'd go on to run the country treated native Africans just as poorly as white colonizers, and many definitely believed they were better than the "savage" Africans despite living in the same region not 1 century ago for some.

I think it's safe to say that most Black Americans don't want to be seen as African. It's almost shameful for them to be associated with the continent.

>>1834942
Being from Africa is important simply because that's where they came from. They don't want to be "African".

>>1834942
>It would be like me denying my Scottish roots in favor of a vague "whiteness

You know you are from Scotland, what if you were mixed with a bunch of different euro ethnicities and brought to a different continent?

Haitians can claim a place in Africa, since most of them are from Angola and Benin.

>A vague whiteness

No, see race doesn't exist. Race is a bad thing, and "Blackness" and "Whiteness" is a justification for the state(s) to set people at odds.

/pol/ is obsessed with whiteness and loves it and wants to kill everyone who differs,
Black intellectuals want to get rid of the idea of Black and white as soon as they can. That's why one is acceptable discourse and one isn't.
>>1834940
Black, but not AA.
Brazillian "black" actually. Technically I'm white , which goes to show how made up race is in the end

>>1834951
I see. Thank you for that good explanation!

>>1834958
Okay, thank you for explaining this! Believe it or not, I agree with you.

I tried to make this topic on /pol/, but they completely ignored it. They didn't want a discussion.

I'll be honest, that I have a mixed European heritage, but Scottish and Danish are the two biggest parts of my genetics.

I'm a Euromutt with no connection to Europe. I'm just an American.

Perhaps that's what white and black Americans have in common: we're both mutts who don't belong in our continents of origin.

>>1834895
>Fact is, Black Americans are culturally more similar to White Americans than any other group of the planet, and no amount of GO BACK TO AFRICA is going to change that.

We want them to go back to Africa not out of some misconception they'll magically fit in with the natives but out of desire to see them play out their little WE WUZ larp in a far-away land and Africa is the most logical place for them to do so, the same way Israel is the most logical place for Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi to roleplay as ancient Hebrews.

Hell I'd dump them in Egypt and let them pretend to be pharoahs if it wasn't already full of Egyptians. All the important artifacts are already in European museums anyway so what's the worst they could do? It's not like the could urban decay the pyramids more than they already are.

>inb4 they miraculously manage to burn down the pyramids after converting them into a crack-house/trap spot.

>>1834978
>but out of desire to see them play out their little WE WUZ larp in a far-away land
Except most of them don't give a shit about we wuzzing like I already stated. Oddly enough the average black person doesn't believe all the dumb shit that your echo chamber has convinced you that they do.

>>1834789
Plenty of blacks do embrace their West African roots. e.g. Alex Haley and his book Roots. You just hear about the ones obsessed with ethiopia and WE because they're loud and crazy.

>>1834879
factually incorrect

>>1834789
It is nothing unique to African Americans, people have been making histories for their people since the beginning of history. It is less about being accurate and more about building a story that can bring the community together and help to explain to them why they are great now or why they were great and are not great now. It is why great man theory is so common, it is a simple narrative that people can base their communities on

Many African blacks see many Black Americans as arrogant pricks with a superiority complex over native Africans. There's not really much desire to "connect" with Africans, many of whom they consider to be dirty pagan cannibals.

There's nothing to look for or talk about, by this point we (American Blacks) are an entitely different people with our own history and culture.

People do show interest but its mostly on the superficial level of DNA tests to see what parts of Africa you trace to, but even then its pretty meaningless. If you were born and raised in America then you are more American than you will ever.be African.

Do you understand that the blacks that were brought to the United States had all native culture, language, and roots destroyed? Do you understand that the blacks today who are descendants of those slaves have no idea what their actual genetic makeup is?

Why would American blacks focus solely on west Africa, when it's not even a fact that every single one of their ancestors originated from there? Why would they not identify with Africa as a whole, considering that's the closest thing they can identify with? Why are you ignoring context? Historians do not look back at events and trends and view them under a contemporary moral magnifying glass

>>1834845
What was with the plan to send all n*groes back to Liberia? It never caught any friction, eh?

>>1836054
It wasn't feasible, the logistics for such a mass exodus no longer exists, the slave ships of a few centuries ago were long gone and American Blacks had no really interest to go back. Some flirted with the idea but the majority have no interest in going to Liberia.

>>1834845
Worst mistake Americans ever did.

>>1834878
Don't forget the black nationalists who developed their own "WE" religions out of it, like Nation of Islam/Five Presenters (though their bean pies are delicious), and Black Hebrew Israelites. Both think that black people are the original "Asiatics" from the Middle East, and say that they were brought as slaves from Egypt to West Africa. Both also claim that they are a different race than native Africans too.

>>1834880
Too bad most of it isn't considered black anymore, outside of hip hop subgenres that aren't gangsta rap or its children (swag rap, trap, drill). When was the last time you saw non-British black people making house or techno music?

>>1836054
>What was with the plan to send all n*groes back to Liberia?
It never existed.

There was a movement to encourage black people to voluntarily settle in Liberia, but it was never very popular.