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>>1826118
obligatory

>spend oil money buying off your people to ignore the billions you embezzle
>contrarian edgelords get all over your brown dick

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>>1826118
I'm happy I lived in a time when I got to witness this guy getting beaten and raped to death my an angry mob.

Fucking kids and their romantization of dictators.

>>1826196

t. Hillary Clinton

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>>1826196
>Being this retarded
He was blown up by a US Airstrike
Also
>Waah They didn't get to """choose""" between two (2) autist, le ebil dictator

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>>1826118
I will miss his clashes with King Abdullah during the Arab league summit meetings.
>ywn call the former King of Saudi Arabia an anglo colonian puppet and slave to his face

>>1826118
by that measure all of the Saudi kings and Gulf emirs are of the same cloth

>ywn live in an absolute monarchy petrostate where the gubment pays for everything

>>1826118
RIP Santana

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>>1826210
>He was blown up by a US Airstrike

inb4 hitler stalin pinochet etc etc

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>>1826210
>He was blown up by a US Airstrike

No, Gaddafi was sodomized to death with a bayonet by U.S. supported "rebels" and Hillary laughed about it...

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>>1826207
>>1826210
>shilling for foreign dictators is now considered "anti-establishment"

>>1826358
If he wasn't also a tyrant, he'd be pretty cool. Although I do understand that opening up speech to allow for dissent will end up with all sorts of foreign agents trying to topple your regime.

>>1826369
>wants a strongman because hes too insecure about a strongwoman

>Qaddafi was a gud boi mayne he dindu nuffin

t. Russia Today

>>1826210
>He was blown up by a US Airstrike

His convoy was stopped by a French airstrike and he got killed by "rebels"

>>1826399
>"rebels"
>>1826369
>"rebels"
Why the ""? What were they? American seals?

>>1826408
>What were they?

Islamists
Rebel has a "freedom fighter" connotation

>please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago

Parasites don't help their hosts.

>>1826369
Wtf I love Hillary now

>>1826412
It really doesn't.

Hence why we refer to Maoist and Stalinist groups as rebels.

The Khmer Rouge were rebels, until they won.

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This mad bastard

>>1826412
>Rebel has a "freedom fighter" connotation
No, it doesn't. Rebels are rebels, no matter what you personally think about their ideology.

>>1826393
strongwomen aren't strong they are mad

>>1826415
But 2011 was 20 years ago

>>1826426
20 years ago was more than 100 years ago

>>1826425
Hillary could beat up Putin in a fist fight.

I'm with her.

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I can't think of any other dictator who's still widely beloved today

>>1826210
No, the Libyan people removed him. America's hands-off approach is what prevented the formation of a new democratic government.

>>1826412
They were still freedom fighters. Gaddafi was an evil dictator and they wanted freedom.

Most weren't even hardcore Muslims.

>>1826463
Here's a fun activity.

Compare modern day Syria to modern day Libya, and then ask 4chan why American intervention is such a bad thing.

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>>1826459

sadly i can

So Gaddafi was well-known to be a womanizer, part of the reason why he was hated by the people was because of his habit of kidnapping girls as as young as 14 from high schools. Some sources report that he kept dozens of "wives" in his personal harem.

I've heard absolutely nothing about what happened to these women after the palace was stormed. Really makes you think.

>>1826490
Based

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>>1826118

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>>1826118
>>1826141
>>1826420
>>1826459
>Only 3 people aren't derailing the thread
So this is the power of /his/...whoa...

>>1826419
But Maoism and Stalinism are both radically libertarian philosophies. Their end goal is a society with no stay no class struggle, and no coercion.

Islamism is an inherently fascistic philosophy, because its eachatological goal is a rigidly hierarchical society, in which Muslims are dominated politically by the autocratic caliph and spiritually by Allah. The word Islam quite literally means "submission".

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Miss me yet?

>>1826505
The city of Dresden begs to differ.

>>1826537
I'm pretty sure the Taliban have been consistently referred to as "rebels"

>>1826420
Only bad people think Lenin was bad desu

>>1826469
Only autists like him though

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>>1826537
>implying Islamism is based on nationality and not on religion
>implying Islamism proposes a corporativist sociopolitical system based on the organicist conception of society
>implying Islamism has influenced by futurist ideals and values
>implying Islamism is an inherently modern ideology
>implying Islamism did not precede the industrial revolution

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>>1826505
Hmmmmm nah

>>1826609
Fascistic, not fascist. Dumbass.

>>1826645
Something that is fascistic is founded on fascism. A static and reactionary ideology can't be fascistic.

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>>1826490
>he was hated by the people

>>1826884

Not as enthusiastic as North Korea.

>>1826816
>let's overthrow a democratically elected popular government to preserve the power of the elite lmao

>>1826884
>2,000 people going to a Trump rally prove he will win!

>>1826288
Is that Obama in the background?

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>>1826898
Libya's population is 6 million, it's estimated a million came to a pro gaddafi rally in Tripoli in july 2011. Meaning he had the direct support of atleast a sixth of the country and probably millions more who couldn't travel to Tripoli to show support.
https://youtu.be/jWzNhk3zv4U

>>1826890
The difference is these people weren't forced or coerced to come out in support of him. They chose to.

>>1826358
Reads like a chain e-mail. Did people actually fall for all this?

>>1826933

>an authoritarian dictator can move people around

Magnificent!

>>1826949
Do you truly believe the government kicked down people's doors and told them they had to come to a pro gaddafi rally at gunpoint?

If you tried to do that they wouldn't stand there willingly waving flags, they'd rip them up and go crazy.

>>1826949
>people can't support an authoritarian dictator, and if they do, they're just being directly mind controlled by said authoritarian dictator
This is some conspiracy-tier shit right here.

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Dah fuck was his problem?

>>1826933
>one sixth of a population at a rally
You will probably want to recheck your sources

>>1826445
I really doubt that

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>>1826466
>They wanted freedom

Well they got it

>>1826468
Libya is in a civil war and fighting ISIS/Al-Qaeda all over the "country".

The economy is also >20% what it was in 2010.

>>1826972
HeMan?

>>1826968
It wouldn't be that surprising.

6 million is quite a small population.

>>1826987
Tripoli's (the place the rally was held) population alone is 1.1 million. It's not unreasonable to assume 2/3rds of the city and some surrounding cities came.

>>1826968
You will call all of my sources propaganda, literally all sources outside of contemporary western media like CNN/BBC agree is was at least a million.

Are we ignoring the fuckery Gaddafi did on other countries? All that money he spent disrupting other countries like Chad and Ethiopia?

>>1826977
Syria is in a civil war, that covers a significantly larger proportion of the country, and is split between fascists, jihadists, and moderate headchoppers.

The lesson being that when the US gets what they want, things get kind of fucked up.

When Russia gets what they want, things ruined for good.

>>1827005
Tripolis fell in a matter of hours once a couple of rebels moved in and pretty much everyone in there moved to their side instantly.
It was supposed to be the big final epic battle and proved a total failure with practically zero popular support for the regime

Now compare that to other libyan towns like Sirte- who was not nearly has heavily fortified as Tripolis and still took a month and massive NATO bombardement to take. Or Aleppo and other syrian cities, where people actually support their ruler

>>1827057
What did he do to them? I know he funded the 'Ra.

>>1827079
Libya got bombed because Qaddafi kept fucking with the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Berlin_discotheque_bombing

He also invaded Chad and got his ass kicked by nigs in Toyotas, which was funny as hell.

He was one of those people that got bored being the dictator of a small country and started looking for fights elsewhere.

Like how the Cubans ended up fighting armored brawls with the South Africans in Angola.

>>1827058
>Syria is in a civil war, that covers a significantly larger proportion of the country, and is split between fascists, jihadists, and moderate headchoppers.

This shows how ignorant you are of Libya. It seems that the Western media has done a great job of not mentioning the civil war.

>The lesson being that when the US gets what they want, things get kind of fucked up.
Considering Obama called Libya his "Greatest failure", I'd say we didn't get what we wanted.
>When Russia gets what they want, things ruined for good.
Syria in shambles, half controlled by jihadists, and now an international pariah for bombing "moderates"? Wow Russia sure got what it wanted.

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>>1826196
>Fucking kids and their romantization of dictators.
Because Libya has been doing so well since it was "democratized" by the rebels, right?

>>1827104
>two biggest factions have formed a coalition government and teamed up on ISIS
>meanwhile, Syria is still in the middle of intense warfare where the fascists and the islamofascists are the two most powerful factions

The US intervened in Libya. Russia intervened in Syria.

Libya is moderately fucked up.

Syria is severely fucked up.

Given Russia's track record in Afghanistan, and the US's track record in Afghanistan, this should surprise nobody.

After all, the Karzai government is brilliant compared to the Najibullah government.

>>1827063
Tripoli fell in September 2011, 6 months after the Western forces intervened.

By September it was obvious that Gaddafi was losing hard. His last stronghold, Sirte, fell two weeks later.

Knowing that all pro-Gaddafi fighters would get bombed by America or chopped to pieces by the "democratic" rebels, I'd say that Tripoli in September 2011 isn't representative of Tripolian public opinion of Gaddafi.

>>1827097
You do realize that the Libyan Intervention occured at least 15 years after all of those events had ended?

We intervened because he was weak, and "muh democratic rebels" was shilled hard by the Western media.

>>1827112
>>two biggest factions have formed a coalition government

As I said, you are ignorant about Libya.
This is factually wrong.

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>>1827097
>Libya got bombed because Qaddafi kept fucking with the US.

That shit happened literally decades ago, Gaddafi got fucked by the U.S. / Israeli engineered "Arab Spring" and he guaranteed his own death, when he called for oil to only sold for gold.

>>1827112
You do realize that the US intervened in Syria 4 years before Russia did in October 2015?

How else do you think the rebels nearly defeated Assad in July 2015?

>>1827126
>he thinks the US forgets a grudge
>he thinks the US won't wait for decades for the exact right moment to put an end to an old adversary

Also, the US bombed Libya after the disco bombing in 1986. Operation El Dorado Canyon. Nearly killed Qaddafi, but the Maltese ambassador gave him a last minute warning.

But yeah, Qaddafi's terrorism against US and British targets is why he was hated by the west. It predates the uprising by quite some time.

>>1827141
>pumping in weapons is the same as conventional troops

By that logic, Russia has been intervening in Syria since before the war started.

>>1826118
I have a m8 that lived in Libya for a while as an oil expat. They had nothing nice to say about Gaddafi and he is solely responsible for the shithole that country is today.

Libya could have been rich as fuck; great location on the Mediterranean, loads of oil n shit. But Gaddafi fucked it up with his despotic crackpottery. Stealing billions from the economy, making enemies of every other country he sees, general tyrant stuff incubating extremists groups/undermining any body of power that doesn't directly involve him or his stooges etc

>>1827144
>it is only an intervention if thousands of soldiers are on the ground shooting people

You do realize we have had ground troops in Syria since 2012, right? And that we have bombed multiple groups in Syria since 2013?

>>1827142
t. Dumbass

>>1827144
I never said that.

But, the simple fact of the matter is that America intervened in Syria in 2012, albeit in a half-assed manner.

Also, why didn't you even attempt to respond to my post concerning your retardation here>>1827112

>>1827162
Okay.

Show me the obituaries of US troops killed in action fighting the SAA and NDF.

For that matter, show me actual evidence of the US bombing the SAA and NDF.

>you can't

Meanwhile, Russia has not only given billions of dollars in weapons to the Assad government and covered their asses in the Security Council, but directly intervened on their side with actual military force.

>>1827079
He tried to annex Chad but he was forced off the project by international pressure.

I'm pretty sure he supported the eritreans and tigrays against mengistu's regime as well.

>>1827152
[Citation needed]

Also, Gaddafi has been dead for 5+ years mate. Will you continue blaming him in a decade?

>>1827174
>t. Dumbass

I graciously accept your defeat.

>he simple fact of the matter is that America intervened in Syria in 2012

Okay. Prove it. Show me that the US attacked the SAA or NDF with their military.

>but muh advisors

By that logic, the USSR intervened in Vietnam.

>why didn't you even attempt to respond to my post

Because it was factually wrong. There's been a ceasefire between the Tobruk government and GNC since 2015.

>>1827175
>Show me the obituaries of US troops killed in action fighting the SAA and NDF.
>For that matter, show me actual evidence of the US bombing the SAA and NDF.

Neither of these conditions are necessarily exclusive of non-intervention, you fucking retard.

>>1827181
>Will you continue blaming him in a decade?
>ten years should be enough to deal with the consequences of 40 years of totalitarianism, right?

>>1827185
>your defeat
>>>/reddit/

>Show me that the US attacked the SAA or NDF with their military.

You do realize the US didn't have to attack the Syrian government to have intervened in the conflict, right?

>>1827181
He left the country structure-less and it fell to pieces. Sure I'll still blame him in a decade, for the fuckery that resulted in the current situation. How long do you think it should take to fix it?

>>1827185
>There's been a ceasefire between the Tobruk government and GNC since 2015.

Care explaining this statement>>1827112
>>two biggest factions have formed a coalition government

>>1827190
>despite the fact the economy improved, the debt was cleared, the literacy raised dramatically during this time he was still a bad ruler

>>1827187
Anon, "military intervention" is a euphemism for war.

The US went to war against the Gaddafi government in 2011.

Russia went to war against the rebels in 2015.

In Libya, the US succeeded in removing the government they didn't want to be in charge.

In Syria, they did not.

>>1827190
>It's Hitler's fault Germany is rich and prosperous

Your "logic"

>>1827201
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_National_Accord

It doesn't really function as one, but they aren't killing each other.

>>1827202
>>1827209
>get oil money
>spend some of it giving out free stuff
>spend the rest of it on your cronies
>look how great I am

Nigga literally every Arab government with oil does this.

>>1827199
>He left the country structure-less and it fell to pieces.

Maybe because his country got bombed by Western airforces for 8 months straight??

Also, why are you ignoring the fact Libya is objectively worse in every indicator of development than it was in 2010? Libya in 2010 had a structure and an economy.
What else, it DIDNT HAVE A FUCKING CIVIL WAR AND ISIS

>>1827223
Good things take time bruh.

Soft millennial cunts would rather stick with the redcoats than take a risk and give the next generation a country worth having.

>>1827205
>military intervention" is a euphemism for war.

Gonna need a citation

Sorry. When anons start making up shit, I have to resort to asking for sources.

>>1827222
>gaddafi was just another oil tycoon
>ignoring his mass irrigation system, the largest in the world intended to diversify the economy through farming

>>1827234
>Gonna need a citation
Military = men with guns

Intervention = said men firing said guns

Not even him, lad. Come on.

>>1827222
>It doesn't really function as one, but they aren't killing each other.

It literally says this in your article dumbfuck
>As of 22 August, the unity government still had not received the approval of the House of Representatives with most members of the parliament voting against it in a motion of no confidence.[80][81][82][83]

That means NO COALITION GOVERNMENT FORMED.

>>1827223
I'm implying that it's worse now because of the shit he fucked up while he was in power. The thread argues he was a good ruler. A good ruler wouldn't subvert the power structures in his country to benefit himself at the expense of everyone else after he's gone. Would a truly great leader vilify the most powerful nation on earth to the point where they bomb the everloving shit out of them?

>>1827222
>Nigga literally every Arab government with oil does this.

This is not an argument

>>1827234
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/military+intervention

>>1827237
>implying this isn't the kind of stupid shit that made Libya such a shithole
>we have a country that's mostly desert
>should we get into tech support, or manufacturing, or any of the other jobs that would be made easier by our proximity to Europe
>nah, let's try farming

>>1827247
First sentence in wikipedia.

>The Government of National Accord, (Arabic: حكومة الوفاق الوطني), is an interim government for Libya that was formed under the terms of the Libyan Political Agreement which was signed on 17 December 2015.[1]
>that was formed under the terms of the Libyan Political Agreement

I don't think you understand how interim governments or ratification works.

>>1827251
You gonna tell me that Saudi Arabia has a great government?

That Iran has a great government?

That Venezuela had a great government, until oil prices dropped, when the government mysteriously lost all of that juju.

>>1827233
>just overthrow your government and get into a 5+ year long civil war because MUH CHANGE

>>1827242
That's not a citation stupid cunt


>>1827248
And I never stated that he was a good leader.

But, compared to many others in the region and compared to the Western media's view of him, he was relatively good.

>>1827253
>irrigation doesn't work
Protip: it wouldn't have a fucking term if it didn't exist.

>>1827265
Citation: oxford fucking dictionary

Military
the armed forces of a country.
"as a young man he joined the military and pursued a career in the Army"
synonyms: armed forces, army, forces, services, militia, soldiery; More

Intervention
the action or process of intervening.
"a high degree of state intervention in the economy"
interference by a state in another's affairs.
"the government was reported to be considering military intervention"
synonyms: involvement, intercession, interceding, interposing, interposition; More
mediation, mediatorship, arbitration, conciliation, peacemaking;
interference, intrusion, meddling;
rarearbitrament
"they would suffer no state intervention in their private business"

>>1827265
>just overthrow your government and get into a 5+ year long civil war because MUH CHANGE

It worked for the US, didn't it?

>>1826378
4chan's idea of anti-establishment is Christianity.

>>1827265
>just overthrow your government and get into a 5+ year long civil war because MUH CHANGE
You are on /his/ m8. How many times in history has a government been overthrown by people who were sick of their shit and believed that things could/should be better?

>>1827253
>ilitary intervention
>The deliberate act of a nation or a group of nations to introduce its military forces into the course of an existing controversy.

http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/view/493
US airstrikes against Al-Nusra

>>1827297
So in other words, the US intervened on the same side as Russia?

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>>1826378
>>1827288
>people who disagree with me cannot be sincere and are just trying to be "anti-establishment"

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>>1826598
a joke, right? He fucked over Iran SO MUCH to the point many Iranians think he was a British-Indian spy because Carter administration initially loved him and BBC gave him a platform to spread his insanity. Also, Google william richard williamson. It's a kind of rabbit hole.

>>1827253
>I don't think you understand how interim governments or ratification works.
And I don't think you understand that the Eastern government has sent 0 representatives to the government. Therefore a "Coalition government" has not been "formed".

Globalists hated Gadaffi because he had a deal with Berlusconi where he protected Europe from the mass of Africans (((they))) wanted to make cross the Mediterranean.

>>1827258
Never said he was a good leader or a great government you illiterate

>>1827314
RIP Persia.

>>1827314
Only Persian Jews in L.A. and degenerates in North Tehran hate based Khomeini.

>>1827304
>if you intervene militarily against similar targets then you are on the same side

>>1827319
I mean, it's "formed" in that it exists on paper, and the people in it aren't actively killing each other.

Which is all that's really relevant as far as the civil war is concerned. The two factions not coordinating politically is irrelevant to the question of "is Libya as bad as Syria" which it emphatically is not.

>>1827333
Well yeah.

That's how historians view US-USSR cooperation against Nazi Germany.

What I'm getting from these two case studies is.

>the guys the US backs are morons
>the guys Russia backs are assholes

>>1827325
>turned the country from a first world regional power approaching european levels at a phenomenal pace into a barren shithole that uses it's only funds not to better itself but to fund terrorists
epic

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>132 replies
>no pinochet

You should all be ashamed

>>1827347
The OP image alone was good for a 100 reply shitstorm.

We can save Pinochet for a later date

>implying both Pinochet and Allende weren't shitbags

>>1827342
Iran in 1979 was a shithole, it's just that the people who fled to the U.S. only remember their fancy parties, while most people lived in abject poverty.

These people had their lives improved by the Ayatollahs. They don't care about your precious human rights. You can use your human rights to let your daughters be sodomized by black men and Jews in Los Angeles.

>>1827347
Pinochet was not a bad person, that's why I didn't post him.

>>1827357
I don't think anyone has ever praised the Shah for human rights.

>>1827357
>iran where you could show your hair without being arrested and raped, not necessarily in that order, was worse than it is now
t. muhammed al-ali bin jihad

>>1827334
>and the people in it aren't actively killing each other.

Except
http://m.thenational.ae/world/middle-east/capture-of-libyan-oil-facilities-resets-power-equations

The Civil War is continuing. The GNA government is essentially the Tripoli government, and that "government" doesn't have actual control over the vast majority of the militias. Therefore although the civil war settled down some because of ISIS, now that ISIS is almost dead the two governments are fighting again.

>>1827379
The people who want to do such things don't live in Iran anymore, so who cares?

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>>1827393
Except they do and regularly protest.

>>1826514
choose 3/4 of the most shitiest dictators in this planet. Atleast gadafi made it quasi secular and established some semblance of peace in his region up until he decided to attack kuwait for some reason.

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>>1827347
>Pinochet

>>1827415
>two whores protesting in a foreign country

Exactly my point.

No one miss this people in Iran.

>>1827312
Who's to the right of Allende

>>1827312
Sweet list senpai

>>1827603
Most liberal politicians

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>>1827603
Nur Muhammad Taraki
Founder of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. General Secretary of the Central Committee of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan.

Pulled Afghanistan out of barbarism until the US decided to fund a bunch of goat fuckers to topple him.

Pic related

>>1826358
So basically he was an islamic-communist and /pol/ loves him? Fucking kek

>>1827325
>>1827357
>>1827393
what a retard

>>1826393
Better a prosperity-creating strongman than a democracy that promises only perpetual destruction.

>>1826459
For good reason, he transformed an outdated agrarian country into a space-faring nuclear superpower.

>>1826415
The most memorable parts of his rule like Huma the executioner, Yvonne Fletcher and housing the Munich terrorists happened over 20 yrs. ago.

>>1826118
GREAT LEADER
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545819/Uncovered-The-macabre-sex-chamber-Libyas-Colonel-Gaddafi-raped-girls-boys-young-14.html

>>1828117
He hated Islam and thought Muslims were a threat to his power. Third International Way is supposed to be a rejection of both Communism and Capitalism.

>>1828312
>literally a rapist with underground rape dungeons
>worshiped by /pol/
Top leks

>>1828326
He didn't hate Islam you dumb cunt. He was a Muslim, he prayed 5 times a day, everything. The thing he hated was extremism. He didn't believe in veiling because it's not stated in the Quran that a woman should hide her face.

>>1828326

>Gadaffi hated Islam

Gadaffi was a devout Muslim. You can be a Muslim without being an Islamist unless you're trying to imply Sisi, Assad, Mubarak, Nasser, Sadat etc weren't Muslims

>>1828117
/pol/ is mostly a fascist circlejerk. Fascism is left-wing inherently.

Gaddafi united the savage tribes of his country under one government so they could achieve power, union, stability and advance as a nation. That is respectable in every way.

The only reason people hate left-wing shit is situations when SJWs fuck the nation.

Foreign muslim extremists (aka extreme right wing foreigners) entering the country to fight in the libyan war and topple his government is what destablised Libya.

>>1827575
How do you even know they're foreign? They look like they could be iranian.

Stop shilling for the ayatollah

>>1827312
This. What foreigners don't realise about Mao was that he had to keep China independent, else the nation ends up a lapdog and puppet to western control like japan, south korea and the philippines.

>>1828478
Yeah I'm sure western influence fucking their shit up didn't helped with that.
>facism is left wing
Top leeks. Is this what nu/pol/ thinks? Get out of my /his/ reeee

>>1828484
I never said it was completely left wing, but it definitely has left wing aspects.

That is why the fascists on /pol/ support Gaddafi. In the same way that they support Assad.

I never said western influence didn't contribute to it, but a lot of the fighting was done by far right islamic extremists flooding into libya.

Stop looking for a fight lmao.

>>1828489
>retarded amerilard trying to fit everything into his Manicheist view of politics
No thanks

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Porfirio diaz: His only mistake was never take care about workers rights

>>1827361
Slaughtering innocents is never acceptable

>>1828478
Fascism isn't left whatsoever. The enforcement of hierarchies is inherently rightist.

>>1826196
Democracy does not work in every group of people

>>1828593
His only mistake was not shooting that occultist manlet as soon as he step out of his ship from Paris

>>1828791
I agree. It's a good thing Pinochet only killed communist guerrillas who were not innocent.

>>1828792
This entire debate is pointless and hinges solely on the individual's definition of left/right in politics. Fascism is inherently collectivist and tends to have elements of socialism, which some would call leftist. There is no real answer.

>>1828939
Victor Jara and the thousands of students who dreamed of a better future were not guerillas

>>1828489

>islamic extremism
>far right

The kind of society envisioned by Islamists would be considered authoritarian leftist; obvious restrictions on personal freedoms but a borderline collective emphasis on state provision in employment, housing, healthcare, welfare... Islam is all about the community by definition, it's not at all individualistic like the right

can we please stop romanticizing Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam and Mubarak? You retards really have no idea what you're talking about. None of you have seen what it's like to live in one of these countries, nor experienced the way people feel about their rulers/what they've done to their countries. Just because you get some sketchy secondary and tertiary sources written by some half-wit on a mongolian sheep skinning forum or peddled on some idiotic conspiracy website doesn't mean they're right.

t. Egyptian, lived through Mubarak, Tantawi, Morsi, and El-Sisi.

>>1828900
also a stupid thing to say. The problem isn't people, it's their socialization. That has been lacking, and the transition was criminally mismanaged for the most part, in addition to neglecting the addressing of deep social divides that would always simmer just underneath the surface.

>>1826358
Sources on that please

>>1829118
Sooo... Democracy does not work in every group of people?
Culture is part of who we are, you can't just take away that in the mane of the political system your teacher told you was best

>>1829213
True, but you forget that because people live under dictatorial regimes they were forced into a certain mindset. People are capable of exercising democracy, yet have been deprived of the fundamentals that underpin good decision making- and that's something people are eager to adopt, yet face an uphill struggle to given their circumstances.

>>1829268
Case in point, Latin America in the last decade, still reeling from decades of strong-arm "right-wing" dictatorships. Until you shake the people free from a despicable image of democracy, you will see governments devoted to curbing personal freedoms i.e. Chavez, Maduro, Morales, Correa

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>>1826490
>Some sources
>heard absolutely nothing about it after

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/thread

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>>1827112
The US INVADED a sovereign country.

Russia was invited by the standing government of a country that the US is actively trying to destabilise with funds and arms via gulf state proxies

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>>1828249

Yes but he killed sooooooooo many innocent people because of his paranoia

>>1828939
>muh communism

>>1827180
>"international pressure"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Maaten_al-Sarra

Arab military competence strikes again.

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>>1829213
>>1829268

The problem is the American focus on democracy, which merely a political tool, over republicanism.

We Westerners tend to forget that secularism, a state of law and justice came first, and only after that came the right to vote.

Doing it the other way around has proven Plato right too many times already.

>>1829061
>a better future
they can line up for their food in venezuela.

>>1826118
Teddy was a tyrant

>>1829083
>leftism is collectivist
>rightism is individualist
>that's why anarchists are far-right and fascists and Nazis are far-left
>wait a second...
The only definition of the left-right dichotomy is based upon hierarchy and equality. Leftists are anti-hierarchy and pro-equality while rightists are pro-hierarchy and anti-equality. That's why American Libertarians and Ancaps are rightists even though they're anti-government, they still believe hierarchy and inequality is inevitable and natural while Marxist-Leninists are leftist because even though in practice their system is authoritarian and unequal, their motivations is an equal, classless, stateless society.

>>1829913
The only definition of the left-right dichotomy that makes sense*

>>1829913
not really, hierarchy, but with liberty.

you cannot enforce equality into a society that is filled with individuals equipped with a plurality of skills, intellects, and experiences unless you are ready to use force to establish that.

The right just stands for individualism and liberty, while the left stands for collectivism and equality.

>>1826420
>spelling tsar czar

>>1829948
>you cannot enforce equality into a society that is filled with individuals equipped with a plurality of skills, intellects, and experiences unless you are ready to use force to establish that.
That's irrelevant with their beliefs. They believe equality and liberty aren't mutually exclusive.
>The right just stands for individualism and liberty, while the left stands for collectivism and equality.
So where does that put Fascists and Monarchists who believe in collectivism and inequality or Anarchists and Libertarian Socialists who believe in equality and liberty?

>>1829913
This

>>1829962
>he thinks there's a correct way to spell something that's been transliterated from Cyrillic

>>1829118
They forget about the fact than the objective of have goverment is the quality of life which is shit in that countries... people dont care if the goverment is an american puppet and shit if they have a good quality of life... you learn that easy if you live in the 3rd world

>>1826118
I swear to god if Kim Jung Un ever gets btfo it'll be a matter of time before the edgy RT watching kids on /pol/ will start gloryfying him

>>1827057
No, cuz only amerikkka destabilizes countries, he dindunuffin

t. RT

>>1830096
They already do.

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>>1827185
>Okay. Prove it. Show me that the US attacked the SAA or NDF with their military.

The rebels aren't getting those TOW missiles by looting government armories.

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>>1827314
>He fucked over Iran SO MUCH

>>1830243
I hope that wasn't your attempt to provide that anon with proof.

>>1829118
>can we please stop romanticizing Gaddafi, Assad, Saddam and Mubarak? You retards really have no idea what you're talking about. None of you have seen what it's like to live in one of these countries, nor experienced the way people feel about their rulers/what they've done to their countries. Just because you get some sketchy secondary and tertiary sources written by some half-wit on a mongolian sheep skinning forum or peddled on some idiotic conspiracy website doesn't mean they're right.

Let me put it to you this way then. Compare how Haitians lived under the dictatorship of François Duvalier to how they live today.

>>1830091

This guy gets it. People don't give a shit about who rules over them until things go bad.

>>1827342
Ironically only the well-to-do dislike him. The poor call him an Imam for fuck's sake, and they bear far more of the brunt of this "shithole" than any of the diaspora fags or rich people who chimp out whenever they have to do something they don't like, i.e. Live under another Ahmadinejad term

>>1827108
It would happen anyway after his death.

>>1829385
threading your own post was your mistake. You could have make it right, pal, you could.

>>1829422
>muh fascism

>>1829872

they can't because they're dead

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This magnificent bastard managed to kick out the "IMPERIALIST REGIME" develop unpresedented infrastructure and social programs for those most in need as well as get in debt to some of the most dangerouse and economically unstable countries in the world. Some how he has managed to stay alive.

>>1826253
Sauce?

Also, go fuck yourself tripfag

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the only thing he did wrong was that he didn't purge khrushchev

>>1826196
you're having a laugh if you think it was about him being a dictator. There are plenty of dictators that go unpunished by the US (Saudis, North Korea, the list goes on).
The reason he got killed? He wanted a gold-backed standard.

That's

It

>>1831017
>The reason he got killed? He kept bombing Americans

FTFY

>>1828792
Fascism isn't inherently left or right. You can't put Franco and Strasser under the sane ideology.

>>1827760
Aaayyy

>>1831000
Beria should have gone too.

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>>1830265
Great leader bro.

>>1831113
>promotion of inequality.

Nigga yes you cab

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>>1826196
>I love to be brutal towards people I do not like, but I do not like when people I do not like are brutal towards me

found the true hedonist

>>1826598
Is that Sean Connery?

>>1831231
Franco was for hierarchy but Strasser was opposed to economic inequality.

>>1829118
under each government, there will be people who are happy with their daily life and people who will be unhappy. it is your personal choice to focus on the people who are unhappy under G.

>>1830091
The goal of people taking power is not to make people happy, it is to take power and to keep it.

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>tfw no Nasserist secular United Arab Republic under based Gaddafi

>>1826420
Lenin was a horrible person who hijacked Russia's popular communist movement so that he could implement his violent, unwanted insanity that didn't even work.

>RUSSIA HAS SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, FUCK THE NATURAL CAPITALIST EVOLUTION OF SOCIETY PROLETARIAT SUPREMACY NOW
>oh fuck Russia doesn't have an established proletariat
>oh fuck there's no food
>oh fuck half the country is trying to kill me
>oh fuck now I'm a vegetable and my least favourite underling is going to succeed me

Good job Lenin.

>>1826561
Fuck Mussolini. Italy isn't a military power and never should have tried to be one. You could probably count the number of Italians who wanted to go to war in 1940 on your fingers.

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>>1830324

I'll agree he chose a bad pic but that anon was completely correct; the U.S. is funding and training Syrian "rebels" in an attempt to overthrow Assad in Syria, just as the U.S. did in Libya and this is being done (with American blood and money...) to insure Israel's security.

And in both cases, formerly functioning countries with secular governments, are now anarchic hell holes full of bat-shit crazy Muslim fundies.

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>>1831208

Indeed and ironically, it was the very same Westernization and associated improvements in living standards that allowed the Iranians to get bamboozled by the fundie mullahs and overthrow the Shah.

The fall of Iran is truly one of the greatest crimes in history.

>>1826416
Mutual parasites (lamprey and shark) and beneficial parasites both help their hosts.

>>1831271
But Strasser's "socialism" excluded anyone who wasn't an ethnic German

>>1831556
Mugabe's Marxism excluded Boers and Whites so what's your fucking point?

>>1831521
Iran is fine and it doesn't miss people like you. If you ever get back and manage to loot the country like your ethnic cousins looted Russia in the 1990s, you will get something much worse than the Ayatollahs.

>>1831578
>reeeeeeeeeeeee theeeeeeeeeeeeee jooooooooooooz

Don't worry you Shi'ite fuck, once you slip up and can't keep hiding your deal violations, the US military will be coming to shove a red-hot poker up Khameini's ass.

:^)

>>1831567
It isn't so left

>>1831680
So leftists aren't left if they are racist? Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, Juche and Stalinism aren't left because they are Nationalist?

>>1826210
>He was blown up by a US Airstrike

Thanks for correcting the record

>>1826118
Gadaffi I love you but why do you look retarded in every single picture?

>>1826118
his speech after the execution of sadam hit the nail on the head, poor guy

>>1826196
Yeah, 'cause democracy surely works regardless of the culture, right? You gigantic piece of shit.

>>1826420
>he thinks the NEP helped Russia
What's funny is that most economic studies show that it set Russia back about 40 years. Had the Bolsheviks lost, Russia would have modernized much sooner than the 1950's.

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>>1826408
If you don't think there was some serious astro-turfing going on, you should look a bit closer at Benghazi, and notice that those heavily armed, formally secret, CIA bases that were revealed in the incident, were there two years before the "people" were """liberated""" from Gaddafi.

>>1826358
Protip: Do not attempt to trade oil in denars (or anything other than USD)... And DEFINITELY don't attempt to introduce a new multi-national gold standard currency all across Africa and the ME. (Seriously, may has well just had shot himself at that point.)

>>1829142
NTG, and I can't be bothered to follow every link myself, but here they are altogether with links, at least:
https://www.africanexponent.com/post/ten-reasons-libya-under-gaddafi-was-a-great-place-to-live-2746
There are, of course, counters to this, and counters to those counters, and so on, and so forth. So, like so many things such as this, you'll have to figure it out for yourself, while taking into account personal bias.

>>1827253
>irrigation is stupid
>We should try technogoly and manufacturing
>because that worked so well for Mao Zedong

>>1826603
>>1826603
No....that just isn't true. Wake up.

>>1831017
>muh gold standard
Absolute bullshit.

The reasons he got killed are
1. He was a dictator killing his own people. Not so fast faggots, this is an important one because it allows for a justification in the UN, especially important is the fact that a dictatorship is an unpredictable element, where as democracies are almost always easy to integrate into world markets and general western society.

2. He funded Sarkozy and Sarkozy wanted him to shut the fuck up before it got out.

3. Cameron is a spastic and

4. He had spent the last 40 years sperging out and pissing off practically everyone he came into contact with.

>>1831287
>Nasserist
>Secular
>Gaddafi
lel nope.

>>1829307
None of those people were right-wing dictatorships. They were all left-wing. Chavez was a literal Socialist.

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>>1826459
I stand with Comrade Joseph, Those who understand the struggle still have him in there hearts.

Идeи являютcя бoлee мoщными, чeм пyшки. Mы бы нe дaть нaшим вpaгaм имeть opyжиe, пoчeмy мы дoлжны пoзвoлить им имeть идeи.

>>1832320

good one

>>1831689
Juche is a rightwing ideology senpai

It emerged out of leftist thought because that was, at the time, the only means available to reset both Japanese imperialism and Western capitalist influence

>>1832341
So Juche, Maoism, Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, Mugabe's Marxism, Stalinism and Strasserism are all right wing because they are nationalist and racist? How is North Korea right-wing?

TFW Both Assad and Ghaddifi had higher approval ratings than Obama and Congress

>>1832179
But only if they've adopted the Japanese model of modernization.

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>>1826118

>>1832320

Haha, funny guy. Gulag for you.

Besides, atleast learn how to write proper in russian.

>>1832346

All of them are totalitarian regimes.

>>1832179
you are such a retard thinking that it was bolsheviks who set russia back 40 years ago, but not the WWI, civil and occupation wars, long-term governance and economic crisis.

>>1832381
Yes, left Totalitarians exist. Have you seen a political chart? There is usually a section called "Left Authoritarian." Not every leftist is a new age hippie.

>>1832386

All of them contributed to that. WWI and tsar's idiocy, communists and Stalin and all of the consequences.

The only thing that i can say in positive is that if it was not for the infighting between commies, ruskies might've had a chance at relative peace and prosperity. Stalin fucked everything up, and reduced socialism to a totalitarian regime.

All of the benefits that stalinist sympathisers clamor that he and soviets gave to russians would have come naturaly, sooner or later.

>>1832390

Totalitarian regime is one and only one. There is no left or right. Those are the ways it represents itself for purposes it pursues.

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>>1832381
>>1832390
"Progressive" pretensions are inherently totalitaian.
Perceiving yourself as the exclusive arbiter of everyone's liberty and equality does that.

>>1832421

That's exactly what the French Revolutionaries did, retard.

>>1832421

Oh dear dear...

>>1832179

Economic studies crystal ball. WEW. Remind me again about what the economic studies crystal ball said about the subprime mortgage crisis.

>>1832505
NTG, but why is it I remember everyone screaming "Housing bubble! Housing bubble! Housing bubble!" for two years straight leading up to that?

...and now it's all, "The one guy who knew!"

Dunno if it's a case of sensationalism, denial, rose colored glasses, the media being owned by financial interests, or the mandela effect.

>arabs
>socialism
>fascism
>islam
>personal cult
Everything that includes one of the mentioned things above belongs into the garbage bin.

>>1832381
sorry I didn't get higher education in Russia so its at a mid high school level

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>>1826118

>>1832760

>at a mid high school level

You have no excuse then.

>>1832293
You missed the opportunity for a Voltaire

>>1832779
>when you're so insane that even hardcore Maoist anti revisionists get scared

>>1827978
His communist state ceased to exist outside the limits of the biggest cities.

>>1831017

He was killed because he tried to shake up the petroleum market by not playing ball with the U.S.

Do not trade petroleum in anything but United States currency.

>>1828478
>Fascism is left-wing inherently.
Opinion discarded.

>>1826196
why do senile old baby boomers like destabilizing middle eastern countries?

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>>1826118

>>1827760
Kekkedy smekkady

>>1827134
>Israel started the arab spring
do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>1833049
This desu. The main reason it failed was because the tribal durka durkas disagreed that there was anything more to life than praising Allah

>>1827312
Where's Tito?

>>1832779
>"everything I did, I did for my country."
what did he mean by this?

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>>1832179
>economic studies
Economic studies out from your ass, until its colapse the USSR didn't went a single year of it existence in recession.

>>1827014
kek

>>1834515
>until its colapse the USSR didn't went a single year of it existence in recession

The first time I read your post, I thought you were making fun of how shitty USSR era economic statistics were.

>>1832779
Yeah, nah. He was fucking beyond retarded.

>>1829494
>there were good baa'thist

>>1827175
>For that matter, show me actual evidence of the US bombing the SAA and NDF.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2016_Deir_ez-Zor_air_raid

>>1829118
kay, have fun with some Wahhabi idiots screaming jalalhoo snackbarn all day long. so loud.

>>1826561
He was a great economist, a great statist, and a great man. Every year i visit his mausoleum. Rest in peace Great Duce.

>>1831319
yep. Plekhanov understood this, and so did Mussolini, which is why fascism "worked" in Italy and communism failed to appear in Russia.

>>1832779
no.

>>1829118
>understanding the necessity of authoritarianism to prevent chaos, civil war, and madness
>believing that statist collective order and prosperity is superior to anarchistic and unlimited social freedoms
>bemoaning the execution of these leaders and the collapse of their states into madness and mass death
>romanticizing

iirc the Libyan parliament now meet on a boat and the country is a no go area for Western journalists. The Arab spring is almost as bad for theME than the FR was for Europe.

And living in Egypt is not an argument you mong. I live in England, that does not in and of itself make me an authority on English politics or European politics.

>>1829913
correct

>>1834336
Common sense

>>1832518
>the media being owned by financial interests
Ding ding ding

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>>1832518
>NTG, but why is it I remember everyone screaming "Housing bubble! Housing bubble! Housing bubble!" for two years straight leading up to that?

>...and now it's all, "The one guy who knew!"

People were really into denial when people said the housing market was about to collapse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfascZSTU4o

>>1837986
Man for a VISUAL guide, that is a really bad one

>>1837244
No one thinks Tito was bad tho
Also someone post the greentext about the alleyway

>>1829388
This guy knows what's up

>>1826420

Considering that he was a Jew, he had no nation to help since he died before 1948.

He was given control of the Russian people however, and went out of his way to fuck them by creating the fake nations of Belarus and Ukraine and killing literally millions of Russians and ruthlessly hunting down any expression of traditional russian culture or religion.

>>1840900
> fake nations of Belarus and Ukraine
They aren't fake. Even Russian Empire under Tzar made distinctions between White Russians, Great Russians and Black Russians.

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Ignorant cretins think this man is responsible for all Japanese war crimes when he LITERALLY did nothing wrong.

>>1840977
I never see anybody giving him shit.

>>1840900
Russia is also a fake nation created by communism .

>>1826463
(((Libyan people))

What a coincidence

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>>1826562
THIS

>>1826490

I made a quick search in google with "what happened to gadaffi's harem".
I could not find any story about it after 2014.

hmmm....

>>1839015

The haciendas were hell on earth. And he got too rought with some of the indians.
Had some good ideas though.

>>1830104
They don't