I'm too dumb to understand Dialectical materialism. Can

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you don´t need that shit, just get a Che t-shirt

>>1825175
>Quoting Reagan

Cringier than wearing a Che t-shirt, desu.

>>1825117

DiaMat is Leninist crap that has very little to do with what Marx or Engel ever wrote.

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>>1825117

>wasting your time learning all this dogmatic meme speak for a dead ideology

Just imagine if you focused that energy on understanding how the stock market works instead anon...

>>1825117
read Hegel first

>>1825175
>Lenin was anti-communist

Good quote Ron

>>1825205
What are you talking about, Engels directly used the term dialectical materialism many times.

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Reminder that Marx was a economically incompetent upper class asshole who fucked his peasant girl servant, got her pregnant, and then abandoned her and his bastard child

He also had rotten skin that made him go crazy and the only way he stayed afloat was from taking advantage of his friends dads capitalist company

>>1825230
wtf I love Marx now

Thanks for the help

http://bunkermag.org/what-is-dialectic-and-why-care/

>>1825228

Didn't he use materialist dialectic and not diamat?

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> Dialectical
Some people believe in God (thesis), other people didn't believe in god (antithesis). They argue 24/7, fight each other and shit. Then battle stop and the resulting opinion is that God exist only outside of our universe or some shit like that (synthesis). So dialectics means that new things are shaped from eternal conflicts between the various of old things.
> Materialism
Who won depends on who got better resources or more moneys. History is just a bitch to economy, basically. Bourgeoisie become powerful, monarch lose his throne. Doesn't really matter who is right, who is wrong. History just an inertial mechanism.

>>1825212
Hasn't Slavoj Zizek recently been going on about how the word never occurs in Hegel?

>>1825494

Hegel was all about them dialectics seeing as he invented them, but he was about as far from a materialist as you can be. Marx was a young Hegelian and invented historical materialism, that is to say that history is a the struggle between classes. Engels talked about materialist dialectic in some of his work.

Marx's "the German ideology", his outlining of historic materialism was only published in 1932 however - and couldn't have thus influenced any 19th or early 20th century socialists. Stalin wrote "Dialectical and Historical Materialism" which was published in 1938, which is when the "dialectical materialism" actually becomes a thing.

>>1825951

wait isn't materialism the claim everything is a result of material qualities in the world/universe? a thought is just the expression of a physical phenom, etc?

what is historical materialism then?

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This would never have been a problem of you motherfuckers would have just listened to Schopenhauer instead of Hegel.

>>1826167

why is that?

>>1825208
lol at that picture
>shitty paint color
>wrinkled gay flag
>some map on the wall (bus route?)
>uniform made out of a bathrobe
>wtf is that hair

>>1826119
That history is a result of the material qualities of the world and a as a struggle between those who have wealth and those who don't, and also that because of material conditions societies (though Marx was a huge eurocentric) will develop through certain historical stages. Basically hunter&gathering to early agricultural societies to slave societies to feudalism to capitalism (and then through socialism into communism).

>>1826278

thanks!

>>1825494
He never says dialectic to refer to his theory but he still uses what was to be known as the dialectical method.

>>1825175
I will make a bet that Reagan never read a single word of Marx and Lenin.

Even if you aren't pro-Communist, there is little you can disagree with in Marx's and Lenin's writings because largely, they state the obvious, especially Marx.

Also Lenin's writings are far more Libertarian/Humanistic than how Lenin actually acted in real life. I'm actually not even a Leninist, I think Leninism is a system prone to extreme corruption due to the nature of centralism, but Lenin's writings for the most part are bretty gud, especially the April Thesis.

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Marxist-Leninist here.

Historical materialism means that human history, and social perspectives, are a function of their prevailing social conditions - a person living in medieval society could not, for instance, formulate social analyses or be aware of social relationships that had not yet existed.

This abolishes the notion of universality in history - that we are in a struggle of good and evil, and other universals, through history, with just an evolving technological backdrop. It instead insists that the conception of what is good and what is evil is dependent on people's relationship to nature, or how they produce and draw their subsistence, rather than innate biological or mystical predetermination.

Dialectical materialism refers to the work of Hegel and Fichte, and when you people are speaking about triads, you are making the classic mistake of confusing Hegel and Fichte. Hegel's dialectics are complicated, and take the form more of spirals than triads, where there is a constant feedback between contradictory elements in social relations (and in Hegel's idealistic conception, all things), where one subsumes the other, is resubsumed by the new contradiction it has created, and so on - where it is working slowly through upheavels to more developed stages incorporating the past.

People make a lot of mistakes with the Fichtean simplication, and I recommend personally that you read Hegel more thoroughly before assuming dialectics is some kind of pseudoscience - it is a useful heuristic for social and class analysis - when Marx and Engels speak of science, they're talking about the German concept of wissenschaft - or systematic research, rather than the Americanized concept of science has the hard aggregation and analysis of empirical data.

These are a few rough comments, but shoot me a question if any of you are still confused. Pic related: the books I brought from home to college with me this term (studying organic chemistry and pharmacology).

>>1826686
refers to the work of Hegel and Fichte and Marx's grounding of it in the materialism of philosophers like Feuerbach*

2000 word limit is a shit.

>>1826638
>Also Lenin's writings are far more Libertarian/Humanistic than how Lenin actually acted in real life.
I kind of agree with this. Whenever I read some Leninism, or even Maoism sometimes, it doesn't seem so bad, until I remember what he actually did.

>>1826686
///tanky\\\

>>1826713
I'm actually non-partisan and have some nuanced critiques of the USSR (I'm working on a pamphlet on it at the moment as part of my work in my country's CP.)

I reject the party-centric form of socialist organization that existed in the USSR and I draw my dialectics more from Lukacs and Althusser - though not all of the Soviet philosophical texts and work was bad.

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>>1826725
>my country's CP
>united earth is a country
picture related

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>>1826725
>my country's CP

>>1826752
You're not aware that communist parties frequently organise on a national basis?

>>1826761
Captain Picard of the USS Enterprise is a commissioned officer in the service of Startfleet, hails from United Earth and owes his allegiance to the United Federation of Planets, not some petty "country"

>>1826278
what an autist, muh the human condition is labor

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>>1825175

>>1826900
You are embarrassing yourself.

>>1825188
nah, wearing a che t-shirt is still the cringiest