Why didn't Christianity take off in East and Southeast Asia

>>1820993
Nestorian christianity was fucking big in Asia. Genghis Khan's foster father was a Christian along with his 100k+ tribe. The European missionaries to the court of Kublai spoke of thousands of eastern Christians in the Mongol state. One of them even made a pilgrimage to the West and ended up performing a mass alongside the pope in Rome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabban_Bar_Sauma

Then it dwindled for a variety of reasons. First it was sponsored by the Sassanids who got beaten by the Muslims. Then it was really popular in Tang China, but later backlash against Buddhism hit all other foreign religions. Then the Mongols spread it, but after the Mongols assimilated to conquered cultures, they abandoned it.
So yeah.

>(literally a copy of Christianity the arabs made because they felt left out),
But anon, there were plenty of Christian Arabs. It's been suggested that Muhammad wanted to reform and re-introduce Ebionite Christianity rather than form a new faith.

it´s totally unappealing to worship a tortured guy

>>1821021
Nestorianism isn't Christianity

There were some Christian rebellions/civil wars that could have led to China and Japan becoming Christian, but luckily for them they lost.

>>1820993
Christianity is heavily based on greek ideas and thinking, the people who wrote the bible had so little idea of judaism that all descriptions of jewish traditions in the NT are plain wrong. It caught on in the roman empire because they were already used to the ideas of greek philosophy. Wherever it took off afterwards was because the area was conquered by the romans or their descendants and hold for a longer time.

To the eastern people ideas like the trinity (in the christian form), logos and an impersonal god were much more alien.

The other point is that to the eastern side it had to went through Persia, and after it became somewhat widespread in Rome you can bet the Persian theocracy wouldn't allow that.

>>1821021
Weren't the Sassanids still Zoroastrian at the time of the Muslim conquests? And the idea of Mongols spreading any religion…

>>1820993
>christianity is superior to anything
Right.

>>1821029
>>1821038
>>1821055
Edgy.

>>1821029
not only tortured but defeated and humiliated by enemies, I don´t know how this would possibly suit japanese or chinese medieval culture without looking like a weird cult

Japan would probably have turned Christian if not for Christianity spreading rapidly in an area already disloyal to the Shogun that created a connection between the religion and rebellion. Christianity was violently suppressed thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

>>1821067
>defeated
What is the resurrection?

>>1821053
The Sasanian monarchy was full on Zoroastrianism from the start but christian presence was also important on the empire. Specially in key areas like mesopotamia where the capital was. And in key sections of society like merchants (disliked and disrespected by the zoroastrian priesthood), the ones more likely to travel, immigrate and spread a religion. Also, after the church on the east ie Nestorianism was declared heretical in Eastern Rome the persian king became it's main protector and and sponsor despite not being christian himself.

For starters there are large Christian populations in the Philippines, Singapore, Hong Kong and South Korea.

Secondly why is Christianity superior?

>>1821066
t. Cuck

>>1821053
>Weren't the Sassanids still Zoroastrian at the time of the Muslim conquests?
They weren't religious exclusivists for the most parts. And promoting eastern Christianity like Nestorianism was politically prudent, as it allowed them to oppose the Byzantines who considered it a heresy. Plenty of people in the Roman empire were undecided about theological issues, out were straightforward heretics as far as the emperor was concerned.

>And the idea of Mongols spreading any religion…
I said some Mongols and their subjects followed it, not that they've actively spread it. But certainly, Christianity along with Buddhism received the best support from Mongols. Kublai Khan whose mother was a Christian gave it special support.
Not to mention the anti-Muslim invasion of Levant by the Mongols in 1250s and 60s that was caused by the appeal of the Christian king of Armenia Hethum to Mongke Khan, and in part was performed in concert with the Crusaders from Antioch.

>>1821116
>>1821021
However, Nestorianism managed to spread further under the early Caliphate than it did under the Sassanids who kept it corralled for the most part in Mesopotamia. It's decline seems to be connected to the various Mongol-Turkic successor states and the way Asian Christianity became too politically privileged so that when these dynasties and their courts converted, on top of meddling from the papacy and massacres by nomadic tribes, the church int he east just collapsed in on itself.

This was mostly for Western and Central Asia however. China seems to have resisted conversion because of cultural hangups about changing their lifestyle, and not that many early Christians settled in China to weave the religion into a community while later Catholic contact went full autism yet again in messing with local customs.

When did Christians become more pretentious and annoying than fedora-tippers?

>>1821205
When self-proclaimed atheists started their superiority bullshit and the fedora meme was created to mock them, the christians thought they were finally let off the hook.

>>1821066
How is that edgy in any way, shape, or form? If Buddhism didn't take over Europe and some white guy commented that that is a good thing, should Asians call him edgy? They wouldn't.

Good thing this is bait, because I actually got fucking angry.

>>1820993
Asians are too smart for Christianity

>>1821205
When the fedora meme became popular. It allows Christians to dismiss any view they don't want to hear by saying *tips fedora*. Which is why you shouldn't use that trite meme, you're contributing to the problem.

>>1821371
The average Asian is dumb as fuck, just like the averave person eveywhere else.

>>1821205
It's the overuse of the fedora meme. It was created to mock people who felt superior because of their religious beliefs, and is now used by people who feel superior because of their religious beliefs.

>>1821436
True Christians should try to emulate Christ and be humble.

>>1821446
>True Christians
Oh boy.

>>1821457
By that I simply meant that no matter which denomination they belong to, treat people well, and do not be a holier than thou shit.

>>1821067
>>1821029
>tortured
>defeated
He is a God that rose from the dead. If anything, He is someone we can only look up to.

>>1821172
>I said some Mongols and their subjects followed it, not that they've actively spread it.
>Then the Mongols spread it,

>>1821107
Something that probably never happened to any savior in human history

>>1821602
not according to the Christian narrative. Christ can hardly be called defeated if he resurrected and ascended into heaven.

>>1821037
It's a better Christianity than your Romanist crap.

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>>1821029
It's totally unappealing to worship a tortured guy whose anglophone name sounds like some sort of southern pork dish. (Chashu)

Pic related, a Manhua (political cartoon) from the Qing dynasty lambasting Christ and lecherous Christian missionaries and their negro servants.

>>1821021
>Then the Mongols spread it, but after the Mongols assimilated to conquered cultures, they abandoned it.
The Mongols were a major factor to the demise of Nestorianism in China. During the late Yuan and Ming dynasties, the Chinese do not want to be associated with barbarians anymore. It just so happened that shitloads of Turkics in the Mongol Empire were Nestorian Christians. So Nestorianism now sucked.

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>>1821107
>>1821067
Fun Fact: In China, Christ imagery in temples are traditionally not depicted in his crucified form because that shit is sickening.

Just like how Buddha was plumped up from his original starving man look. Because that shit is sick.

>>1822372
Chinese are American Protestant tier culture, lol.

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>>1820993
Historically, Christianity has always failed whenever it met other organized religions.

Hell, in your example of the Philippines is an apt way of showing it. Pre-colonial Philippines was split between Muslims and Animist pagans. Of the two the Muslims were more powerful, more well organized, and more wealthy. The Animists are victims to their depradations since their smaller tribes cannot match might with.

In comes Spain. Initially Spain clashed with local powers and were defeated every time by Muslim Flips. They changed tactics by settling in Pagan areas, building fortified empty towns, and welcoming natives to live in and around such towns in return for their conversion or even merely their alliance. The pagans bought it because the Muslims are scary. Almost by accident, the Spanish united a sizable realm of Christianized & Allied natives which they used versus the major muslim powers in the Philippines. And even then it was mixed: they defeated the northern Filipino muslims but failed in defeating the southern ones, who had support from Muslim entities in Borneo.

>>1822372
>chinks are sickened by crucified Christ, but not drinking snake bile as "medicine"

>>1822405
Do American Protestants line Christ alongside non-Christian entities. Because that is what Chinese christians - who are highly syncretic- do.

>>1822417
Starvation and the sight of punished criminals is offensive to anyone.

Unlike the west however, no amount of religious dogma could tell off Chinese from what they were seeing. The Buddha looks like a famine victim - the worst nightmare in highly agrarian China. Christ looks like that patricide who was nailed to a wooden donkey and had lingchi performed on him. Gross.

>>1822421
>Do American Protestants line Christ alongside non-Christian entities
Does Sonic count?

>>1822417
Japanese Christians did not like crucified Christ either given that incidentally Crucifixion is a still used-punishment in Japan.

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>>1821371
this

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>>1822434
You have a point.

>>1822455
>Ireland is retarded
>Italy is brilliant
>both are Catholic

Hmmm

>>1822407
>Christianity has always failed whenever it met other organized religions.
Tell that to the aztecs and incas

>>1822742
Yes, totally done in by Missionaries. You sure showed me.

>>1820993
>infinitely superior

Based on what exactly?

>>1821029
I'm a fedora, but it's obvious the whole Jesus story is pretty based

>>1822765
>Yes, totally done in by Missionaries. You sure showed me.
Oh yes, sorry. The other great religions were spread by missionaries and not by conquest. Sure. How could I forget about that. It's so obvious. Sorry anon.

>>1821029
this.when will pleb learn?

>>1822432
>Christ
>criminal

>>1824206
We're talking of christfaggotry here dumbass. Keep your Muslim butthurt away.

Christian missionaries fail in the face of other organized religions. Unless of course their worshippers happen to destroy the whole society of said area for them to insinuate themselves on it. None of this happened in Asia and when the 19th century rolled by, colonizers were keen not to piss off locals by empowering christcucks.

>>1824230
Doesnt matter. He was executed like one and that shit is sick.

>>1820993
East aren't cultural cuckolds

>>1822363
>Mongols failed to remove Islam.
>MONGOLS SUCCESSFULLY REMOVED CHRISTIANITY
Hahahahaha

Thanks. I will bring this up whenever someone says Mongols are great Kebab removers.

>>1822372
I just discovered this. The fat Buddha is not Buddha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai

>>1822340
Mmmmmm, char-siu.

Maybe Islam just needs to rebrand itself. There is no God but Porkchop, and CrispyBacon is his prophet.

The Chinese Rites controversy is a big reason, in all honesty, considering China's role as the dominant cultural power in the region.

Also, on a purely personal note: I'm glad Christianity never took off in East Asia - Buddhism is a much better belief-system. Even shit-tier Mahayana is preferable to Christcuck tomfoolery.

>>1822407
>American education
What is the roman empire ?
And all religion are organized and regulated by a priesthood, if not these are beliefs not religion.

Also, organized religion is a meme invented by CK 2