Historically, what conditions are socially conducive to revolution?

famine

currently, why does /leftypol/ make stealth communism threads in groups of three or four at the same time? do they organize in irc or something?

The true revolutionary class is the middle class, not the proletariat.

The Marxist wrote so much about revolution that it is really amazing how the could have missed it. How much SELF awareness they lacked. Every Marxist leader from Marx to Lenin to Che to the so called-socialist and liberal politicians today is middle class. Every Bernie supporter is white middle class (and no, because you work part-time at start while studying at the uni and living in a rented apartment with daddy's money doesn't make you working class).

The disenfranchised middle class with it's education and ambition, and the system's failure to give these ambitious middle class individuals the place they think they deserve in the system that truly births a revolutionary. The proletariat will be lead.

Lenin hinted at it in the book What is to be Done? The proletariat by themselves will never be revolutionary. They need "socialist intellectuals" to "inseminate" them with socialist ideas. And yet he wasn't aware enough or probably honest enough to downright say the truth: Marx was wrong; we the middle class are the revolutionaries; the proletariat are useful cannon fodder that we will try to manipulate, and yet as soon as we achieve political power we will criminalize trade unions and workers' activities (which they did).

What helps the revolution succeed is to fool the workers and give them welfare.

As for the question, China, Russia and Vietnam became communist after long periods of war. Germany was also on the verge of communism post ww 1.

Soo, I'd say that a requirement historically is for the function of the capitalist state to be completely dysfunctional.

You can find lots of other trends in history I'm sure. Another one might be that they were all just slightly pre industrial. Interesting question though OP

>>1815410
I'm a regular /leftypol/ person and I've never seen this board mentioned. Mostly they are too busy with sectarian arguments to do something constructive

>>1815437
It's like you misunderstand the point with Marxism.

The middle class as a term is very capitalistic, it works to divide the proletariat. The working class is those who work for a wage most generally.

You don't need to be a factory worker to be working class lol

Is this Vanguardism really your ideology? Because you sound pretty ridiculous. It seems like you are imagining that your poor academic ass will somehow become the new elite after the revolution. People you are what have doomed most revolutions.

The means of production needs to be controlled by the worker, not people use marxism to satisfy their power fantasies. With this said Lenin is still pretty cool.

>>1815457
>It's like you misunderstand
No. I understand exactly what Marxists claim to be and what they really are.

>You don't need to be a factory worker to be working class lol
Read the Capital again. No you don't need to be a factory worker but you must be involved in production to be a proletariat in the sense Marx intended, otherwise you're merely redistributing the surplus-value already extracted in production into other sectors of the economy. Marxist exploitation is all about the surplus-value not "working" per se as even capitalists work.

>Is this Vanguardism really your ideology?
No you dumbass this is what Marxist actually believe even though they claim otherwise.

Because you sound pretty ridiculous.
Yes Marxism is pretty ridiculous.

It seems like you are imagining that your poor academic ass will somehow become the new elite after the revolution.
Oh the irony. But this is every Marxist that has ever lived.

People you are what have doomed most revolutions.
No. People like this (Lenin) have led revolutions. Unfortunately for the human race.

>>1815397
>what conditions are socially conducive to revolution?

There are none. Revolutions always happen because of dangerous ideologues force it to happen, not because social conditions make it determined to happen.

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>>1815397
Define "revolution". Define "succeed".

>>1815510
>if food prices went up 10x overnight in the united states the massive rioting that would ensue would be totally unrelated, it would actually be because of some neckbeard making videos on YouTube telling people to revolt
come on

>>1815523
>if food prices went up 10x overnight

This is not going to happen. And even if it did, someone would be responsible for it(E.g communists like you trying to force a revolution).

>>1815410
I think it's just that there are like a dozen active commies here so they leave a mark

>>1815397
there's always a different criteria, but common factors include:

>famine/food shortage
hungry people makes for angry people, if you can't feed your population, they will throw you out in favor of someone who can.

>social oppression/no political voice
whether it's slaves in Haiti, or unfairly taxed colonists, if unsatisfactory terms are placed on a certain people where they have no platform to voice their displeasure, they'll revolt, which goes hand in hand with Kennedy's "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" speech.

as for what helps a revolution succeed, the most important factors would be:

>support, or indifference from the military
with the military being tasked with guarding the state, if they refuse orders to stomp a revolution, or outright join the revolution, the state is doomed.

If the armed forces is split between the state and the revolution, then you have your civil war.

>control of media
Revolutionary newspapers, broadcasts, anything to get the message to the people better than the government can is essential to getting popular support among the common masses.

>>1815530
you're just plain dumb.

>>1815545
Really, friend?

Please enunciate to us here, what happens when Communists have historically gained power.

>>1815550
Happened*

>>1815550
I'm not arguing for or against communism you mongoloid, I'm merely challenging you on the claim that underlying conditions have nothing to do with how susceptible a country is to revolution.

>>1815563
I'll retract my earlier statement and say that, of course they have something to do with it, but a real full-blown revolution never happens without crazy ideologues who *push* the polarization to a breaking point.

Marx glossed over power politics in society. You can see the damage today with supposed revolutionaries and intellectuals pouring an inordinate amount of time into things like post-modern anal vore awareness studies. Their view of how power structures actually function is only a shade more realistic than conspiracy theories about reptilian gray aliens running the world. The revolution ended on the drawing board.

Contrast this with the anarchists like Bakunin who arguably had a less contradictory ideology, but because they opposed power structures within their own political group they couldn't compete with their more passionate communist brothers.

The revolution runs up against one of the oldest problems, people placing their tender precious emotionywotions above facts and logic. The solution therefore is to take measures to ensure the leadership's goals are the same as the followers' while the lack of expertise among followers does not interfere with important decisions. Here are some obvious measures that can be undertaken.

1) Staunch individualism as a barrier to abusive political authority.

2) Übermensch virtues making followers more influential and ensuring they realize how the world works so they can better scrutinize leadership.

3) General knowledge about psychology and how groups become extremists who mindlessly follow their leaders.

4) Charitable works. When people are thinking more clearly then you should expect they will want to put their theories to the test and demonstrate that at least their ideas work on themselves by making a genuine effort to alleviate poverty in their area. Helping some of the most difficult mentally ill and drug addicted homeless for example as opposed to protesting meme causes and virtue signalling. Then no good person can deny that the cause is just and like Liu Bei they will attract talented followers.

Others will be needed, it will be a difficult complex task, it is the only feasible way forward however.

>>1815410
I post on leftypol. There's definitely interest in trying to make this board more socialist, but it's not a priority and there's no organized brigading effort.

I doubt all the lefties here also post on Leftypol.

>>1815437
t. Orwell

>>1815437
The middle class is still proletarian. Proles are anybody who do not own the means of their own sustenance.

>>1815510
le great man xD

>>1815397
alliance between middle class, working class and army

>>1815397
>What helps a revolution emerge and what helps a revolution succeed?

Violence. Or its illusion

>>1815397
poorness

also reason why it was never adopted by first world advanced countries

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>>1815397

A large percentage of subversive inbred jew parasites

Count how many actual real Russians are in pic related

>>1815410
It's not all leftypol, dude.

That's a pretty small community with about a hundred active posters.

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>>1815410

Yes those autistic commie neckbeards are organising raids on /pol/ and /his/ to take over and spread their autism/recruit new members

>>1815410
It's just a very loud and very shitty minority (>20%)

Remember there is no reason to have a dozen commie threads, so sage every one and let the mods choose which to keep up

>>1815410
>stealth

I'm not hiding the fact that I'm a commie

>>1815397
Large pissed off middle class. Peasants can't afford to buy tons of weapons weapons on their own And the wealthy are usually happy the way they are and don't desire sweeping changes.

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>>1816293
Subverting an oppressive order is objectively a good thing.