When and how did the turkics replace the iranics in central asia

>>1805236
They didn't "replace" the "iranics". They replaced the rulers and upper military case only, 99% of population remained the same.

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>>1805236
>>1805236
400s-600s AD.
>Overpopulation in Eastern Central Asia. Turkic tribes migrate into unstable China during the Nanbeichao period of fragmentation in the 400s-500s AD and westwards into Eastern Europe. Not yet major.
>Establishment of the Sui & T'ang Dynasties and the reunification of China, who pretty much cockblocked and genocided Turkic tribes. Some Turkics submitted and called the T'ang Emperor Tengkhan (Heavenly Khan.). Beginnings of major population movement westwards from Turks seeking to avoid Chinese rule.
-Battle of Talas, Islamic missionaries in Turkic Lands, and the Caliphates' penchant for hiring buttloads of Turkic soldiers. Leading to an even bigger trend of Western Migration of Turkics.

Nail in the coffin was the establishment of the Gokturks and the Seljuk confederacies.

Furthermore Iranics outside Iran/Tajikistan weren't "wiped out." They were merely absorbed into Asiatic Nomadshit confederacies typical of the area and intermarried. It's steppe politics to join the confederacy/protection-scheme-state of the new clan. Which is why some Turkics do have Iranic features. Al-Din Baybars is a perfect example. Turkic Mamluk taken from Transoxania but is blonde and blue eyed.

>>1805244
t. Timurlan Chingiszkhan

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>>1805244
das right, we din du nuff

>>1805244
>99% of population remained the same.
yes, 99% remained all the same
99% remained raped and genocided

>>1805258
>>1805244
The eastern branch of the Yamnaya (or Afanasievo) persisted in central Asia, Mongolia and China. These people from the Caucuses area, who were genetically related to central Europeans, persisted in central Asia until 2000 years ago, which means that people in central Asia were actually Europeans rather than living Asians. It wasn’t until relatively recently—just 2000 years ago—that these Caucasians were replaced by immigrants from eastern Asia, such as the Karasuk, Mezhovskaya, and other Iron Age cultures that today make up the ancestry of people in central Asia.

>>1805337
this

>>1805236
around 2k years ago the IE started loosing ground to turko-mongols (who were initially adopted and mentored by IE)

some examples are:
The IE Wusun originally lived between the Qilian Mountains and Dunhuang (Gansu) near the IE Yuezhi. Around 176 BC the IE Yuezhi were raided by the Turko-Mongoloid Xiongnu

"The Yuezhi originally lived in the area between the Qilian or Heavenly Mountains (Tian Shan) and Dunhuang, but after they were destroyed by the Xiongnu the survivors moved far away to the west, beyond Dayuan[14]

In 162 BC, the Yuezhi were finally defeated by the Xiongnu, after which they fled Gansu.

Around 176 BC Mody Chanyu (Turko-Mongoloid Xiongnu) launched a fierce raid against the Yuezhi

In the 5th century the Wusun were pressured by the Rouran (Turko-Mongoloid) and may have migrated to the Pamir Mountains.[1][8][37] They are last mentioned in Chinese historical sources in 436 CE, when a Chinese envoy was sent to their country and
the Wusun reciprocated

"Among the barbarians in the Western Regions, the look of the Yuezhi and Wusun is the most unusual. The present barbarians who have green eyes and red hair, and look like macaque monkeys, are the offspring of this people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun

>>1805371
>>1805236

Afanasevo culture (c. 3300–2500 BCE), located north of the Tarim, in Siberia/Mongolia, directly connected (genetically, culturally, linguistically) with Yamna of Europe (Black Sea)
they wuz easternmost (aside from ainuz)


Samra culture (Russia 5500BC) (Caucasoid)
Yamna culture (Ukraine, Russia 3700BC) (Caucasoid)
Afanasevo culture aka eastern Yamna (Siberia, Mongolia, China 3700BC) (Caucasoid)
Poltavka culture (Volga, Central Asia 2700BC) (Caucasoid)
Abashevo culture (Urals, Volga, Central Asia 2500BC) (Caucasoid)

Okunev culture (Siberia) (2500 BCE) (Mongoloid)
Glazkov culture (Baikal 18th BCE) (Mongoloid)
Zhukaigou culture (Mongolia, China 2000 BC) (Mongoloid)
Karakol culture (Altai 2nd millennium BC) (Mongoloid)

Andronovo culture (Ural, Siberia, Mongolia, China 2100BC) (Caucasoid)
Elunin/Krotov/Tashkov culture (Siberia 2000 BCE) (a fresh new batch of more Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants conquering existing Mongol-Caucasoid (Afanasevo) hybrids)
Suyarganovo culture (Aral 2000BC) (Caucasoid)
Ordos culture (Mongolia, China 600 BC) (Caucasoid)

>>1805337
>>1805371
Op asked "When and how did the turkics replace the iranics." Early AD's and the BCs, the Slants kept around Eastern Central Asia with just minor Asiatic tribes migrating Westwards.

The Indo-Iranians still pretty much had Western Central Asia under their thumb. Hell, they started taking over Greek cities along the Silk Route and the Hepthalites were a thing in the 300s AD. The Kushan Empire was also established in their wake and what will be Uyghur lands was ruled by Indo-Iranian city-states like Khotan. Even earlier the Sassanids even threw back Turkic Invasion.

400 is the real serious start of the Chinkening of Central Asia.

>>1805301
>Muh race war.
Argument discarded.

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>>1805244
That's only really true of densely settled agricultural populations, so you're right when it comes to places like Transoxiana (where people speak Turkic but are essentially Iranian/Tajik in all other respects), but small nomadic populations like those in most of Central Asia were far more likely to genetically change over time, as they did in Xinjiang or Kalmykia for example. Throughout Central Asia you find people with very mixed traits. Genghis Khan is sometimes reported to have had red hair, while the Hazaras in Afghanistan are Mongol rape-babies who speak Persian but have epicanthic folds.

>>1805550
They didn't "genetically change". One group moved out and other group moved in.

>>1805566
I don't really know what you're saying. Sometimes it might have been one group pushing another away, other times it might have been an incoming group mixing with the earlier population, probably in most places it was a mix of both considering how blurred racial lines are. The end result either way was that the genetic makeup of the population of a region could change over time.

>>1805236
Overpopulation.

>>1805581
>I don't really know what you're saying


Mongoloid raids and invasions as some of the deadliest conflicts in human history.

Large areas of Asia were seriously depopulated,[6] as every city, village or town was subject to destruction. Each soldier was required to execute a certain number of persons, with the number varying according to circumstances. For example, after the conquest of Urgench, each Mongol warrior – in an army group that might have consisted of two tumens (units of 10,000) – was required to execute 100 people [7].

Mongoloid invasions induced population extermination on a scale never seen before particularly in Central Asia and eastern Europe.
Mongol conquests anhilated 70,000,000+ 1206–1324 Eurasia
Conquests of Tamerlane anhilated 20,000,000+ 1370–1405 Eurasia
Turko-Mongoloid conquests anhilated 300,000,000+ 200-1920 Eurasia

>>1806416
>Every Slanty Central Asian wuz Mongols.
Yeah, those Mamluk slaves bought by Muslims sure were ebil raiders.

>>1805244
>b-believe m-me guys! we dindu nuffin!

>>1805244
alright then where the fuck are they now
last I checked central asia was really chinky

theres one thing thats not very well explained in history, about how group of ppl (tribes and whatnots) one day just pack up, and start moving

yea i get, the climate changed, the once abundant food for animals is not there, you have to move
BUT
how do you become a superior invader when you basicly migrate
it happened, with nomadic ppl again and again and again

once conquerors become the conquered
you cant even say its just because they changed their lifeform and became less "war like" because some times its like a domino effect

ive studied this shit at uni but they never went into details why, only how and when

also how do new group of ppl always kept popping up like mushrooms in central asia between the urals and china, like an endless flow of ppl
although small in numbers compared to today

>>1806756
>autists would like to explain that thru out history, a group of ppl (tribes and whatnots) one day decide to peaceably pack up, and just disappear from an entire continent

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>>1805236
We pushed them eastwards to the point that they went to Europe. While the rest would intermix with the turkic tribes.
Whats left of the Scythians can be found in the Caucasus in the form of Ossetians that still speak the last eastern-iranian language related ancient scythian.

The weak will always get bullied by the strong and leave.

>>1806451
the mongoloid expansion from east asia into central and western asia is really well documented

the recent expansion was participated by various mongoloid groups:
Xiongnu
Xianbei
Donghu
Shiwei
Nirun
Turks (Gokturk, Seljuk, Tatar, Khazar, Kalmyk etc...)
Huns
Avars
Mongols

>>1807001
>The weak will always get bullied by the strong and leave.

quite ironic, since when the horse-chariot-riding iron-wielding IE met the primitive and defenseless forestdwelling wormgathering mongoloids at the extreme eastern periphery/frontier. the IE did not employ that Darwinian law of nature but exercised an overwhelmingly humane and socially evolved policy and instead mentored the weak

it is an ancient story of creating frankenstein

>>1807090
>>1807001
>be prehistoric Central Asian
>member of heavy-bearded, aquiline-nosed Yamna, Afanasevo, Andronovo, Tocharian, Scythian, Bactrian, Sogdian
>invent the wheel and chariot
>first to domesticate the horse
>build prehistoric cities
>meet innocent looking Eskimo-like people in the periphery of your civilization, in the tundra
>teach them your ways of the horse and lifestyle, transfer your knowledge and technology
>they adopt and adapt to your Scythian ways
>they expand from their tundra, permafrost territory
>gradually take ownershership of Scythian clay
>for the next couple eons you fail against their onslaughts
>indigigenous Scythians of Asia is now replaced by Mongolids

>>1807101
Lesson learned?
Who can learn this lesson?
Who will learn this lesson?
A few, assuredly.
But behold, here comes democracy and the rule of the masses.
Here comes insanity.
Behold we repeat the same mistakes again and again.
Behold here death comes.
The lesson is never learned.

Indo-Europeans in Central Asia are so interesting. I mean damn.

Imagine if some Tocharian civilization grew to prominence in the East Asian sphere?

Would've been great.

>>1805388
Afanasevo (China, Mongolia, Siberia 3700BC Caucasoid) early Indo-Europeans, metal-use, horses and wheeled vehicles, and cultural relations with Kurgan steppe cultures, the Afanasevans were Indo-European-speaking.[7] Afanasevo were genetically indistinguishable from Yamnaya people. Afanasevo were responsible for the introduction of metallurgy to China.
Bolshemys culture (Altai) (4000 BCE) (Mongoloid)
The Bolshemys foot hunter economy engaged in hunting of hoofed animals—roe deer, musk deer, red deer, and Siberian ibex, and mouflon

Zhukaigou culture (Mongolia, China 2000 BC) (Mongoloid)
The Zhukaigou culture (Inner Mongolia, China) appears to have begun as one of hunter-gatherers,
maternal genetic evidence showing that they were related to the remains from Yinniugou, as well as modern populations like Daurs and Evenks

Glazkov culture (Baikal 18th BCE) (Mongoloid)
Glazkov culture is archaeological culture of ancient Tungus racially Mongoloid tribes in the Bronze Age (18th-13th centuries BCE), spread in the Baikal area, who engaged in Hunting, fishery and gathering. The Glazkov Tunguses came to Siberia from the south, displacing Yukagir tribes


Kelteminar culture (Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan 5500BC Mongoloid)
The Kelteminar people practised a mobile hunting, gathering and fishing subsistence system.
Scientists hold that Kelteminar culture is related to the Pit–Comb Ware culture and belongs to the Finno-Ugric peoples.
The Kelteminar culture was replaced by the IE Tazabagyab culture

>>1809654
Andronovo culture in Siberia, Asiatic steppe, Urals, Kazakhstan, emerged from proto-Iranian Poltavka culture in the Volga. The Andronovo were Scythian/Aryan. The Andronovo culture is notable for advanced metallurgy, horse chariots, wheeled vehicles, invention of the spoke-wheeled chariot, animal husbandry. The Andronovo have been described by archaeologists as exhibiting pronounced Europoid features.

>>1809667
The Elunin/Tashkov/Krotov culture was formed by interaction of Caucasoid (Andronovo) migrants, who brought with them tradition of bronze metallurgy and advanced animal husbandry. Interaction between migrant Caucasoid ethnic groups and Mongoloid populations in the frontier, periphery foothills and plains area of the Altai's Upper Ob at the end of the 3rd millennium BCE

The frontier Tashkov culture people were in regular cultural contact with the Andronovo population of the Southern Urals, and they also learned from Andronovo, including metalworking, horses, animal husbandry etc...

The frontier Krotov culture is an indigenous 2nd millennium BCE Bronze Age culture of animal breeders in the steppe and forest-steppe area of the Western Siberia Altai mountainous

>>1806722
>Really chinky
According to most indicators it's at least as caucasoid as chinky, you probably live in a white country so they look chinkier to you that they really are. chinky.

>>1809721
>IE teach the primitive hunter/gatherers living at the periphery, the advanced ways of the IE

the IE also did the same thing in the south

The Tazabagyab culture - archaeological culture of the Bronze Age (1500 BC), Located on the territory of Aral Sea. Formed from a result of migration tribes of Andronovo culture. It is assumed that the carriers of this culture were the Indo-European herdsmen, who gradually change it on irrigated farming, initiating the agricultural culture of Khwarezm.[1] The population of Tazabagyab culture have an traces of the cult of fire

Tazabagyab culture took part in the formation of latest Kaunda stage of Suyaurganovo archaeological culture

the IE spread to Persia and encountered Dravidians in Persia

Post-Kelteminar stage of Suyarganovo culture, some researchers have linked to the local Finno-Ugric component (hunting and fishing).[4] [5]

Kamyshli stage associated with the population of the migration Hurrians-Mitanni tribes[6] from Iranian plateau to the Aral Sea region in the II millennium b.c. (irrigation farming)[7]

The latest - Kaunda stage of Suyurganovo culture is a consequence of cultural and ethnic contact the population of Suyarganovo culture with Indo-Iranian tribes (Tazabagyab culture) ( herding).


The basic anthropological type of population from Suyarganovo culture - Indo-dravidian, at a latest Kaunda stage with minor European anthropological type characteristic of Andronovo tribes

>>1807032
Those aren't mongols you fucking moron.

>>1806969
you gotto be retarded, silly shitstain
go back to s4s and die in cancer

>>1807032
>Mongoloid.
Also the first half of the list you mention all tried to invade China instead of Western Central Asia.

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>>1808621
Indo-Europeans did grow a civilization in East Asia in what is now Uyghur lands. Indo-Iranian city states of the Tarim Basin, prominent among them was Khotan.

You know what happened? It was Chinked. You had Indo-Iranic people dressing up as Chinese people due to proximity to the Chinese Empire smack in the first foreign exit of the Silk Road away from China. Pic related, a King of Khotan.

Imagine that: a civilization of weeaboos.

>>1807032
Xiongnu 匈奴, Xianbei 拓跋部, Donghu 东胡, Dingling 丁零, Shiwei 室韦, Tántán 檀檀 (Rouran Khaganate), Tuòbá 拓拔, Yueban 悅般, Nirun, Tūjué 突厥 (Gokturk), Chigan 叱干, Xue 薛姓, Xueyantuo 薛延陀, Tiele 鐵勒, Huns 匈人, Khazar 可萨人, Avars 阿瓦尔人, Bulgars 保加尔人, Xi tūjué (Onoq - Western Turkic Khaganate), Dōng tūjué (Eastern Turkic Khaganate), Gu-su (Oghuz) 烏古斯人, Ogurs, Utigurs, Huíhé (Uygur) 回纥, Onogurs, Kutrigurs, Kangar 康國聯盟, Kimak 基馬克汗國, Kuman 庫曼汗國, Kereit, Gelolu (Karluk) 葛逻禄, Kara-Khan 黑汗, Tūqíshī 突騎施, Yugur 甘州回鶻, Pachanaq 佩切涅格人, Qīnchá (Kipchak) 欽察, Nogais 諾蓋人, Karachays 卡拉恰伊人, Seljuk 塞尔柱帝国, Kirghiz 柯尔克孜族, Chigil 處月, Qangli 康里, Shalgan, Chulyms 楚利姆鞑靼人, Kumyks 庫梅克人, Dada (Tatars) 韃靼,
Güchügüd (Naiman) 乃蛮, Ongud 汪古部, Dolugad 杜格拉特, Bashkirs 巴什基爾人, Chuvash 楚瓦什人, Gagauz, Uzborgs, Kazakhs 哈薩克族, Khakas 哈卡斯人, Qashqai 卡什加人, Tuwans 图瓦人, Báxīmì 拔悉密, Shatuo 沙陀, Oirat 四衛拉特, Buryats 布里亚特人, Arghun 阿魯渾王朝, Kara Del 哈密國,
Khitan 契丹人, Khamag 蒙兀国, Mongol 蒙古帝国, Dzungar 准噶尔汗国, Chagatai 察合台汗國, Khilji 卡爾吉王朝, Telengut, Teleuts 铁列乌特人, Kalmyk 卡爾梅克汗國, Khoshut 和硕特汗国, Tonggu (Tungus) 通古, Dolgans 多尔干人, Sālāzú 撒拉族, Shors 索尔人

>>1810133

Also the first half of the yak's semen is still oozing up your ass

and in case you weren't paying attention during your yak romping

the mongioloids (xiongnu, rourans, tūjué etc..) invaded the IE Yuezhi, Wusun and others who lived in what is now China and forced the few remaining survivors to flee

>>1805236
From which region of Central Asia?At the soth they didnt remove anybody, at the north they replace those iranics whose dont go with Attila.

>>1808621
Visit Tajikistan or Uzbekistan.

>>1810706
tajik from samarkand here
cant confirm what you state
it is the opposite here
we have been elliots rodgers for more than an eon
also very few pamiris around to reflect on the ancients
all of ancient sogdiana, bactria has been long removed and replaced with Khanz

Merv was the greatest of cities but destroyed

>>1809782
>Dravidians
>in Iran

>>1810289
>Still using Mongoloid to describe Eastern Central Asians
You call Celts "Germanic" too?

>>1805244
That's true of essentially every old world population migration

>>1811056
weak b8

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

>>1811074
source?

>>1810706
korean uzbeki slag slayer here

>>1810820 is right
asia has been thoroughly Khan'd

yearly, thousands of us still go to uzbekistan to get cheap Oriental brides to take back to seoul

even more thousands of uzbeki slags come to korea to whore themselves, since we prefer oriental girls