Let's suppose this system actually happened just as Orwell imagined it. What would (if anything at all) lead to its collapse other then some major natural disaster?
>>1805226
If I had to guess I would say nukes or similarly destructive weapons. It is stated that military research is going on, but almost nothing gets implemented. Emphasis on almost. It is also said that war hysteria is very high among the leadership. Eventually one side would develop and implement some wmd which would upset the balance of power and start ti erode the system.
>>1805243
It's highly likely that the three powers were in cahoots with each other, and that any attempt to develop a nuke by one side would be supressed by its own heirachy. They rely on perpetual warfare as a way of life, anything that might lead to victory would have to be averted at all costs with its inventors liquidized.
>>1805226
If there is hope it lies in the proles.
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>>1805226
>the UK would be part of the America-Australia-South Africa bloc
lel
>>1805391
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>>1805382
>It's highly likely that the three powers were in cahoots with each other
it's almost certain that they're either aligned, or all separate factions of the same government, which is why every time one state gets too strong, the weaker member of the alliance stabs them in the back and switches sides
of course that's disregarding the possibility that the war isn't even real and all the deprivation is artificial
>>1805226
The Gorbachev Syndrome. By which I mean, once you have several generations of rulers raised within this system, you will eventually get one who wants to "reform" it.
Nothing lasts forever, not even IngSoc.
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>>1805382
>It's highly likely that the three powers were in cahoots with each other,
This is explicitly stated in fact. All three run the same Oligarchic Collectivist system, their "war" is just a sideshow to distract the proles and keep their societies poor and broken.
>>1805877
>of course that's disregarding the possibility that the war isn't even real and all the deprivation is artificial
I like the theory that IngSoc only controls Britain, and operates like North Korea in simply lying constantly to its citizens about the political realities of the rest of the world.
>>1805226
All three of the nations fall apart within a few generations as power squabbles between the elite (In Oceania this would be the Inner Party) tear the countries apart.
Orwell forgot the part about humans always wanting more and more power for this one.
>>1805226
Eastasia isn't that big
>>1805916
That's exactly what I thought when I read this book. There's actually nothing that disproves this, and more evidence to actually suggest that this is the truth. IngSoc? English Socialism? Why would America just let that happen?
>>1805916
wouldn't it make more sense for INGSOC to say that Oceania is run by the brits instead of britain being ruled by americans?
>>1806024
Eastasia has always been that big.
>>1806034
WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT EASTASIA
HOW MANY FINGERS, WINSTON?
>>1806033
No, because they want to deracinate the proles so their only loyalty or identity revolves around the Party. They're obsessive about language they understand the power in a simple identifier such as "British" and how it would lead to divided identity and thus loyalty.
>>1806018
I'm pretty sure that Orwell didn't actually believe that Ingsoc would last forever. The appendices imply that, being written in past sense, suggesting that they are being written in a post-Ingsoc future. Orwell just left it vague what caused the change.
>>1806024
Population.
>>1805902
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kek
>>1806024
It's the natural fecundity of its people m8