The Russian art golden age, 19th century Why did it get so good?

they just got gud and stayed gud

>>1793889
>Gradual emancipation of serfs?
Which of the great 19th century russian artists/writers were peasants? They were all nobles.

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>>1793889
They embraced the unique suffering of the Russian soul.

>>1793907
If I remember right, they weren't 'noble' nobles, more like semi-serfs or landowners, or military. I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

>>1793907
No, most were freemen, former military and minor nobles.

>>1793889
Their literature is the longest and the best, music is also sophisticated and very likable.

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>>1793889
A favorite of mine. It's the Russians taking the city of Khiva in the 1870s after being repelled two times earlier in the 19th century. The painter, Vasily Vereshchagin, was there for the momentous event.

>>1793889
This art's pretty but in a safe, middle class way that screams repression. They were making better art in 19th century Europe and Russia between 1918 and 1924.

>>1793973
Russian music is the GOAT, but their literature doesn't hold up to writers like Melville and Whitman.

>>1793907
>>1793930
>>1793973
Gentry is the word you're looking for

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>>1794118

You have good taste! This is also one of my favorite pieces! I've been thinking of getting a print of this.

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>>1794256

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>>1794259

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>>1794267

>>1794238
>Melville and Whitman
who

>>1793889

What's going on in this picture?

>>1793909
>Glazunov
nice, I was at an exhibition of his not long ago. Frankly I felt like he got worse over the years, his peak was really the 80s and early 90s.

>>1793889
read The Russian Spirit by Berdyaev, it really well encompasses the answer you're looking for. Although, not without flaw.

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>>1794256
>>1794259
>>1794267
What adds to the paintings for me is the background. Vereschagin fought in tons of wars and battles and so his paintings to me have a very realistic feel to them(And I don't just mean the style in which he painted). Verschagin is also a good look at a Russian soldier's attitude regarding British India during the Great Game. There are quite a few accounts of Russian soldiers being sure that they would conquer or free British India by the 19th Century. Now to be fair most of these came from British explorers, who would be biased. However, there was most definitely an anti-British sentiment towards the Raj, and Vereschagin is a good example of this. His paintings on India, while definitely showing the nitty gritty and rather ugly parts of it, also seem to have an almost admiration for India as well. His controversial painting on British punishments for the Indian rebellion of 1857(pic related) show that he wasn't too happy about British rule there.

Whatever the case, its refreshing to see some extremely high quality paintings from someone involved in the Great Game. The Game is usually characterized by some sort of secrecy, and so high quality paintings like those of Vereschagin are few and far between. What you often get in paintings involving the Great Game are weird low quality drawings that were more meant for the military or sometimes newspapers. The only exceptions are big publicized events in the Game, such as the British Invasion and subsequent retreat from Afghanistan. Seeing paintings on this level about conflicts that are much smaller puts the Game into a perspective you don't get from other works.

A lot of based composers. I swooned hard for that stuff at a time.

>>1793889
>Gradual emancipation of serfs?
Why would that have to do with anything? Also if I remember correctly the emancipation of the serfs wasn't gradual at all but over night and disastrous.

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>>1793889
>The Russian art golden age, 19th century

That's when Russia got recognition. For the most part it never changed from day 1, and still is the same. Just no more recognition.

And I am telling you, unless you step out of the sunlight and into the winter moonlit frost, you'll never really know.

>>1795054
Because for a lot of time it was nobles/serfs... there might not have been a full emancipation until alexander II when he signed the reform, but Russia was in a constant intellectual battle of censorship and autocracy. Lesser people ended up getting university education (son's of gentry etc.) and being able to study in places like France and then-Germany and read people like Hegel, and they would come back home and be disheartened... leading to decemberists and other such people which eventually led to that reform

>>1794326
I saw this painting in my history book.
I didn't remember this being painted by a russian painter.
thanks.

>>1796661
Yeah few people mention the painter, despite the painting itself being somewhat famous. I've also seen some people try and pass it off as an actual photograph rather than a photograph of a piece of art which is what it really is(The current whereabouts of the painting are unknown).

>>1795074
what the shit is even that sword? One blow and it breaks at the hilt...

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Repin was one the best

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Not from that time period but any love for Ivan bilibin?

>>1797177
I love this pic, its so powerful

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>>1797506
>died in leningrad
T-t-hanks hitler senpai

Too bad Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks is a meme painting.

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I have this one as my desktop wallpaper. It's Ilya Repin's painting of the Russian State Council.

>>1797860
what would russia looked like if lenin wasn't there to fuck it up.

>>1797870
I quite like the 1906 Constitution, but it had effectively been ruined by 1917. The Tsar was already out of power as well, which his continuing to hold some degree of power is part of what I like about the 1906 Constitution.

>>1796990
just a pencil drawing from what looks like an amateur

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god i want ilya repin to fuck me

best russian painter

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>>1793889
Not OP, but
are there any books on this topic, that are worth reading?

>>1798054
He's so handsome.

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>>1797502
>>1797506
>>1797520
Slavs just had such beautiful ornamentations

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>>1798150

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>>1797177
Show the Volga one! He is amazing.

>>1794238
(you)

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>>1798205
>tfw seen this and various other repins irl

>>1793930
>semi serfs

I want imbeciles to leave

>>1794275
a couple of men are battering others with sticks,

>>1798150
>>1798182
the fall of orthodox Christianity was a mistake.

>>1793889
just as boring and lifeless as all 19th century art, concerned only with mechanical copying of nature. this is a craft, not an art. truly the worst century of 'art' since the renaissance

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Anyone enjoy Vsevolod Ivanov?

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Vasilyev is on of my favorites.

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>>1798912
its still around and kicking, and so is paganism

>>1800421
Nice try druids. Everybody knows that neo paganism is wicca-tier. Except Macumba I see arround here sometimes in the woods.

>>1800461
sure as hell beats all kinds of islamic "art"

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>>1800593
That's a Rodnovery priest.

>>1800461

>he thinks spirogragh drawings are art

>>1800593
>Everybody knows that neo paganism is wicca-tier
This largely depends on the type of neopaganism. "Neopaganism" isn't a movement, it's an umbrella term for several different movements.

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>>1800593
screw that neo stuff, I'm talking about the real deal sex appeal

>>1800696
So you like praying with people that were killed centuries ago?

>>1800699
its not about prayer, or even belief. Its more about respect for your ancestors, the land they're buried in, the land they defended with their lives. Native Americans have a similar connection to land, and their ancestral roots. Its spiritual as well as physical, so its deeper than religion.

>>1800593
Celtic neopagans are homos and SJW cucks, Getmanic and Slavic ones tend to be full nazi.

>>1798912

That >>1798150 is in a catholic church in Prague though.

>>1801556
So one is a homo and the other is a homo? Again, both are wicca tier.

>>1798345
Where are they? Any in the US?

>>1802532
You're the homo.

>>1798345
I love this painting. The abject misery. The dude on the far right is just the embodiment of depression.

>>1803690
you are a fucking psychopath. I wish for you and your children to experience such horror

>>1803882
>appreciating an artist's depiction of an emotion ---- psychopathic
>wishing misery on someone and their children ---- not psychopathic

>>1794118
its great but there should be lots more bayonettes

>>1793889
>>1799320
Compare this anything going on in Western Europe during the roccoco period. You will see this is these works to be the emotionally richer, more elegantly rendered and composed.

By comparison the west painted chubby gay men giggling in a garden, with what was essentially 'graphic novel' tier artistic merit.

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>>1805156
But compare them to the works of the golden age of American illustration made around the same and you see the same sort of artistic tropes and attention to detail from the same emerging economic class. Rococo was like, a hundred years before this time frame

>>1794275
Christian celebration

>>1797870
Implying that everything was fine before.
Nothing can fuck up without a reason. And russian economy was weak as fuck

>>1796972
what a shame.

>>1805167
You know anon - looking back, you are quite right.

Being European, I know nothing of American illustration except that it is probably not important.

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>>1801556
LMAO

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>>1805196
>that it is probably not important.
In the western tradition it was overshadowed by the breakthroughs being made by the impressionists and post-impressionists at the time in Paris, plus people tend to not take it as seriously because illustration is by nature commercial, so people think of it as less "pure" than art made for the sake of making art.

still, for people who like the Russian style realistic, dynamic paintings, the American illustrators are cut from the same cloth.

>>1805217
Try to search for russian neo-pagans. Imagine fat skinheads wearing swastikas (or, as they call it, kolovrat), and praising giant wooden dildoes

>>1805220
I understand what you are saying and completely agree. The 'high art' meme runs deep indeed.

However, I still feel as though, for instance, the dutch masters, like Hals (pictured) were able to, and using slightly unnatural means create a more convivial communication. I like Sargent, but he is quite stayed in this one.

Note how in Hals every third figure has a slight 'troll face'.

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>>1805237
woops

>>1805156
rococo was more about decoration than 'emotional richness' and these works are absolutely not more elegantly rendered and composed than rococo because rococo was about the compositional techniques as taught in the academy whereas realism was not, which is why i say that realism is the mechanical copying of nature (like a still life, historically one of the lower genres of painting) compared to the grandness of history paintings that contend with nature and assert their own nature. they're two different kinds of painting from two different centuries.

>>1805222
The kolovrat isnt a swastika, its a symbol for the sun, and been around for centuries before the nazis perverted the buhddist swastika. As far as the racism goes, its more on an individual level, no more or less then anywhere else. And those totems (dildos) are fucking awesome. Who wouldn't want to trip balls on some fly agaric stew and dance around the totems chanting in praise of pagan deities, who are first and foremost a lot more easy going then the abrahamic ones.

>>1806378
Kolovrat is indeed a swastika.

>symbol of the sun

Out of curiousity what do you think the swastika is?

>>1806386
You got me there. I'm just saying the kolovrat wasn't originally meant to be a racist symbol, despite the types it attracts.

>>1806415
>the nazi swastika is the only swastika

>>1805222
They're rarely fat.

>>1803593
St. Petersburg

>>1805182

Why are some people smacking others then?

>>1807490
You have to have some time set aside for turning the other cheek, otherwise you can't really say you're following Christian doctrine.

1920s were the golden age of russian art

then big bad josef came along and fucked it all up

>>1807490
policemen are protecting rich and "middle-class" pilgrim crowd from parallel procession of poor beggars