Why were so many early 20th century communists Jewish or of Jewish

>>1782930
Why were so many early 20th century capitalists Jewish or of Jewish descent? What was it about their background that made them more likely to become capitalists?

Real reasons please, not "it's a Jewish plot" or whatever.

Jewish people have a history of being oppressed, therefore they would gravitate towards an ideology that is against oppression?

>>1782930
> Be opressed by government and generally discriminated
> Let's stop this shit once and for all, guys! XD
Not so hard to understand, to be honest.

>>1782947
A lot, probably most were capitalists indeed, but there was a disproportionate representation in capitalist circles.

>>1782948
>>1782954
This makes sense.

>>1782963 >>1782947
*communist dammit

>>1782930
>Why were so many early 20th century communists Jewish or of Jewish descent? What was it about their background that made them more likely to become communists?
The same reason so many prominent capitalists were Jewish. Jewish culture promotes hard work and success so naturally Jews became the leaders of communist movements just as they were succesful in capitalism. Jewish communists were simply more competent than non-jewish communists.

>>1782930
Lashing out at a system that incentized the christian, ethnic culture of the state.
Marx's father was a lawyer who outwardly converted to Lutheranism so he could practice law, I don't doubt this influenced Marx's anti-Christian, anti-capitalist, atheist beliefs.

>>1782981
This, Jewish master race. Hitler was like the beta uprising.

>>1782985
>Master race
>of any kind
might makes right faggot detected

>>1782930
jews were the most educated people among the lower classes

>>1782994
Well, they destroyed both Russia and Germany, control United States and killed the literal Jesus. What else do you want?

>>1782981
>communism
>banking
>hard work

I hate how the leftist push against neo-reactionaries has created this pro-banking cartel sympathy. It's truly disgusting the lengths one will go to compromise their beliefs at the expense of their perceived enemy.
Why don't you just send a cheque to Goldman-Sachs while you're at it.

>>1782999
You forgot the literal Jesus was also a Jew and whites are just cucks worshiping a dead kike on a stick

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>>1782930
I think it is because they were highly educated, and Communism was a shiny new idea being tossed around by academia, so they picked up on it and made it their own.

>>1783001
>I hate how the leftist push against neo-reactionaries has created this pro-banking cartel sympathy. It's truly disgusting the lengths one will go to compromise their beliefs at the expense of their perceived enemy.
Who said I'm a leftist?

>>1782954
That makes sense in countries like Russia, but it was the case even in countries where Jews weren't oppressed.

>>1782930
>Why were so many early 20th century communists Jewish or of Jewish descent? What was it about their background that made them more likely to become communists?

Early communist leaders were usually children of relatively well-off middle class.

Jews formed large parts of the middle class.

Connect the dots.

>>1782930
Jews had every reason to rebel against 19th century imperial frameworks, because these fireworks expressly or implicitly restricted the rights of Jews.

Jewish workers were traditionally less classcucked than Christian workers because all mainstream Christian sects adopted an expressly anti-socialist stance in the early 20th century. The Greek Orthodox church was especially reactionary, being literally tied to the Tsarist state.

Because Jews were traditionally pretty well educated, their expertise and predilection toward communism led to substantial overrepresentation in the early USSR.

>>1782947
Jews practically invented capitalism, because in the middle ages banking and merchantry were the only real ways they could make money.

Milton Friedman on Jews, Capitalism and Collectivism:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ulqBb4JePuQ

>>1783060
>because in the middle ages banking and merchantry were the only real ways they could make money.
You mean the only real ways they WOULD make money.

>>1783027
>conservatives in charge of reading comprehension

>>1783041
>jews formed large parts of the middle class

They weren't even 2% of the Russian population at the time.
>>1783052
So pretty much rip out the entire culture, destroy the government, incite a civil war, then brutally silence dissidents so you can have a leg up? Nice.

>>1783030
Care to name a few countries where you think Jews weren't oppressed?

>>1783062
>milton friedman video
pls no

I'm okay with his books, but whenever he speaks, he just goes full retard because he knows he's smart enough to shut someone down if he has to, so he tries to get away with as retarded of an argument as possible.

>>1783082
Remember anon exclusion =/= oppression :^)

>>1783077
Yet they made up 27% of the Russian middle class. Coincidence?

>>1783077
>So pretty much rip out the entire culture, destroy the government, incite a civil war, then brutally silence dissidents so you can have a leg up? Nice.
If the government is nothing worth preserving and has been shitting on you for ages I don't see why I wouldn't join some cool revolutionary movement if it has decent chances for a take off and offers me better life. Culture has lower priority that defending your well being.

>>1782981
Jewish culture promotes anything to screw over goyim you mean.

>>1783067
Not really, no.

In the middle ages, wealth was traditionally defined by control of property. Fluid cash was just the means to obtain wealth.

Jews were prohibited from holding land in pretty much every medieval European state (except for Poland, maybe?), so enterprising Jews could really only become rich through moneylending. This wealth, however, was traditionally considered less important than manorial wealth.

Current historiography suggests it was kind of like an Indian casino situation. The majority of Jewish men were not moneylenders, but small-time merchants and craftsmen who mostly served their neighbors within these Jewish communities, relying on the patronage of a few wealthy moneylenders.

Insular ultra-Orthodox Jewish communities still behave in this paternalistic way! Chassidic rabbis are basically urban chieftains.

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>>1782930

>>1783077
>rip out the entire culture

What are you talking about, anon? The USSR had absolutely nothing against Russian culture.

>>1783094
I guess the whole "oppressed jews" meme falls apart then

>>1782930
A combination of being discriminated against, but also being educated enough to do something about it

>>1783077
The civil war was started by the Whites you dumb shit

>>1783094
Didn't answer my question. Most countries in Europe had laws in place that restricted the rights of Jews, that's oppression.

>>1783111
No, not really. You can be middle-class and oppressed.

>>1783118
Fuck meant to reply to
>>1783091

>>1783077
> destroy the government
Government was already destroyed before them, power of Kerensky was fucking abysmal.

>>1783091
Forced exclusion is certainly a form of oppression

>>1783115
>overthrow the country and institute a brutal communist regime
>"hey why are these guys fighting us"

Muh joos cuck

>>1783101
Nicholas II was incompetent but Russia was by no means a hellhole. I read Lenin's biography, his time spent in the gulag was incredibly lenient, the gulag system under Nicholas and his predecessor Alexander III was barely even a prison, it was more of a secluded village which was easily escaped from.
Under Lenin the cheka was formed and true brutality began.

What the fuck am I doing arguing merits of the Bolshevik Russia versus Imperial Russia with you, it's well documented that life under the Tsar was freer and safer. The only problem was Alexander III reversed his father's liberal policies which would have led to a constitutional monarchy, but that was reaction to the increasing amount of revolutionaries.

>>1783062
>literally the founder of neoliberalism

>>1783140
A country doesn't need to be a hellhole for a certain population to be oppressed. It's not about merits of communism but rather morally excusable fact of joining the revolution.

>>1783082
France, Prussia, Belgium, Greece, the Netherlands and Sweden-Norway had all enacted Jewish emancipation before the Communist Manifesto was even written.
By the time of the Bolshevik revolution, most of Europe had equal rights for Jews.

>>1783088

>implying Friedman videos aren't comedy gold in addition to being brilliant

https://youtube.com/watch?v=of4QMhzQeAM

Don't be a faggot anon

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>>1783071
Not conservative either you retard.

>I hate how the leftist push against neo-reactionaries has created this pro-banking cartel sympathy. It's truly disgusting the lengths one will go to compromise their beliefs at the expense of their perceived enemy.
What was the point in this response to my post if you weren't trying to insinuate I was a leftist? Was it just a complete non-sequitur?

>>1783151
I wouldn't use the term oppression. It is obvious that the communists and socialists were agitating the unions and workers for a revolution, and now looking back we can see that these intellectuals were only interested in power.
I don't know, I like to believe I can unmask motives.
>>1783128
I disagree, especially when it is for the general population's benefit.
>>1783123
Not really.

>>1783135
No less brutal than what it replaced

>>1783091
State-sanctioned exclusion is absolutely oppression

>>1783183
No, no it isn't. While it prevents said groups increase in wealth or power it doesn't harm them, it just keeps them in stasis.

>>1783169
He or she was referring to the right's habit of defending the awfulness of the finance industry in light of leftist criticism

>>1783187
The overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia and the Lebanese in West Africa would have a word with you on "stasis" in the midst of exclusion.

>>1783192
Yeah, except the Chinese usually are the rich factory owners in SEA, often owninh them via proxy to get around labor and ownership laws meant to benefit the native populace, Indonesia is a good example of this. Exclusion exists for a reason, and as I have said it apparently had good reasoning behind it post 1917.

It's a hard thing to think about desu

As a Jew I'm ashamed I know so little, I only have a few little theories that I heard here and there.

The most recent idea that I heard was that Jews wanted to be part of European society.

During emancipation alot of Jews(especially young men, of course) were absolutely excited about entering society, it was a way to get out of the ghetto, into the fresh air, onto new horizons.
There was also a reactionary movement to this, the modern Haredim are the descendents of the communities that became more religious and ghettoized themselves even more to not get influenced by gentile society.

However, Jews weren't accepted so well, there were pogroms and of course the more primitive anti-Semitic attitude of "Jews are weak!, They are scheming! They killed Jesus" which was accepted by peasants, the sort of "did that negro just walk on my lawn?" Of the old American south racism, a stupid kind without much thought behind it like what modern anti-Semitism tries to portray itself as.

Anyways, you have this group of young people, a generation of smart, capable, ready for society and hated by everyone generation of mostly poor rural Jews, what are their options? They want to get accepted into society, of course they will get interested in the only group of progressives which want to overcome the old national prejudice order of things.
Commies, lefties, Jews were forced into these by broader society not because they hated the society, but because they wanted to be a part of it, they wanted to get away from their old way of life.

This theory was proposed to me by a very well read person on the subject concerning Zionism and Jews in general in the last 2 centuries.
It might be completely false but I haven't read enough to feel comfortable answering the question on my own yet.

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>>1783199
> Anyways, you have this group of young people, a generation of smart, capable, ready for society and hated by everyone generation of mostly poor rural Jews, what are their options? They want to get accepted into society, of course they will get interested in the only group of progressives which want to overcome the old national prejudice order of things.
Commies, lefties, Jews were forced into these by broader society not because they hated the society, but because they wanted to be a part of it, they wanted to get away from their old way of life.

And they were so successful they made up 85% of the first Soviet government. Probably helped they had financial assistance from certain prominent bankers.

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>>1783217
Quite amazing really.

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>>1783231
Imagine being a Russian, being told you were now under the protection of the people's government only to have almost none of your people in the government.

>>1783217
Of course.

It's a moment in history that Jews need to reflect on and forgive europe.
However, we should not forget other forces that acted on them.

We're talking about young revolutionaries, mostly men who were anti-religion and in general very pro-progress in their own view.

It's like it is counter productive to only look at fascists of any sorts as merely evil creatures from the underworld and not ideologues who genuinely think that they are doing good to the world.

>>1783178
>I disagree, especially when it is for the general population's benefit
Your opinions about what is in the general population's benefit is irrelevant for determining if something is oppression or not.

>>1783187
>While it prevents said groups increase in wealth or power it doesn't harm them
It very obviously does though

>>1783217
>>1783224
>>1783228
>>1783231
>>1783235
This isn't accurate. Here is the real list of members of the Central Committee at the time of the Revolution:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_6th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Social_Democratic_Labour_Party_(Bolsheviks)
Jews are clearly over-represented, no doubt, but not nearly to the level shown in your images.

>>1783282
> trusting shekelpedia

>>1783295
>confronted with evidence contrary to your beliefs
>"I-I'm not wrong, it's the evidence! Fucking lying press!"

Typical Drumpf move.

>>1783282
That "list" isn't complete, it merely glosses over key figures without listing all committee members, I would have to research it further.

>>1783298
Drumpf is an Israel shill, cmon now

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>>1783295
Instead we should trust some made-up images, purporting to be from a non-English version of a book by a man who claimed the execution of the Romanovs was part of a Jewish ritual and who helped Tsarist authorities fabricate photographs purporting to show "ritual murder" by Jews?

>>1783303
This. The most antisemetic thing he's done is imply Hillary was a Jew with a sheriffs star.

>>1783301
>That "list" isn't complete, it merely glosses over key figures without listing all committee members
No it doesn't. It is the full list of the committee members, supported by multiple primary and secondary sources.

>>1783310
Well to his benefit the people who shot the Tsar and his family were jewish.

>>1783310
>by a man who claimed the execution of the Romanovs was part of a Jewish ritual
But it's true, look up Purim

>>1783298
Maybe not Drumpf but its definitely a /pol/ tactic. I bet if you actually looked through the names listed too, you'd find a bunch of those designated as Jewish were not. But they make sure they got like 50 of them, so no one is going to take the time to do that and their bullshit will pass unnoticed.

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>>1782930
I recommend reading Prof. Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critique" in which he explains how religiously inculcated thought patterns cause Jews to deconstruct/destroy goyisch culture and replace it with their own inventions.

>>1783329
Purim is a harmless Jewish holiday, which was on February 26 in 1918, while the Romanovs were executed on July 17, so I don't see what that has to do with anything.

>>1783331
Dude all his children who are married are married to Jews, Ivanka even converted.
Its called "plausible deniability".

>>1783331
I saw someone who tried to pass Lenin off as a Jew on /pol/ the other day

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>>1782930

It's a total coincidence goyim!

>>1783374

I have no idea what this is meant to be implying. The GOP is running the most corporate person they've ever dared run. I don't think calling Hillary corporate is going to stick very well.

>>1783369
Well he wasn't Russian technically. I've read that he might have been 1/4 jewish but it is difficult to determine.

>>1783385
His paternal grandpa was a jewish convert to orthodoxy iirc.
It's a more accurate critique to say he was Chuvash, given his asiatic features

>>1783384
Being purchased /= corporate

>>1783385
He was an ethnic mix. He had one grandparent of Jewish ancestry. Even by Nazi standards (Nuremberg laws) that doesn't make him Jewish

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>>1782930
>Real reasons please
Alright, Joo here.

Communism was the flavor of the month interpretation of Tikkun Olam for secular Joos.

It still is today even though the bullshit in Weimar basically created Hitler, and the Soviet Union unsurprisingly went anti-Semitic.

But it doesn't end there. Many Italians involved with Mussolini and the very beginning of fascism were Joos and middle class just as commies and socialists elsewhere. The Mussolini, himself also a former socialist and a philo-Semite at that (and whose very mistress was a Joo for crying out loud) went anti-Semitic.

For more on Tikkun Olam:
http://www.jns.org/latest-articles/2013/6/3/the-fallacy-delusion-and-myth-of-tikkun-olam

tl;dr my people has a most severe problem with accepting the world as God created it, they can't stop themselves from fucking with the highest institutions they can reach and creating anti-Semites, meaning they create their own enemies, as a consequence, it's the same story repeating itself for millennia

>>1782947
what if they're both jewish plots..?

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>>1782948
>communism
>against oppression
dude.. gtfo

>>1783430
>*It still is today for many secular Joos

>>1783435
>he doesn't know the real jewish plot is to convince people to hate jews so they get free oppression points
a real jew hater supports all of israel's actions

>>1783440

The rhetoric was, and that's what the idealists get on board with.

>>1783430
I remember reading in a book by Hannah Arendt that Italian Jews were spared their lives even after Mussolini proclaimed fascist laws and most of them were actually killed by Nazis. Is it true?

>>1783404
>>1783393
Huh, any sources for this? This might explain his reasoning for supporting jewish deputies

>>1783510
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#Childhood:_1870.E2.80.9387

>>1783489

Mussolini simply didn't care about race or ethnicity nearly as much as Hitler did.

>>1783511
Thanks anon, I figured his jewish ancestry was a /pol/ meme but that Is that.

>>1783489
I also happen to live in Italy.

What happened during 1939-40 was mostly ethnic cleansing with very few pogroms and instances of proper fascist-sponsored open violence.

Strangely enough, there were Jews fleeing from Germany and its occupied territory TOWARDS Italy despite the Racial Laws being there, in fact the very guards that were supposed to keep them out of the borders were sympathetic towards them.

This Italian source here speaks of 3-5 thousands of them:
http://www.storiaxxisecolo.it/fascismo/fascismo18.htm

Now refugees were later redistributed towards safer places.

It wasn't all fun and games between 1940-43 as some 400 concentration camps were set up in Italy in places like San Vittore a Milano, Marassi a Genova e Regina Coeli a Roma. In 1942 forced labor of Jewish inmates begins, we labour camps now.

Again, oddly enough, outside Italy, Italian army men actually end up going out of their way to rescue Jews from being deported away from France, Greece, Yugoslavia, etc.

Mussolini is dethroned in 1943, his party disbanded, the concentration camps are gone, but the Badoglio government does not abolish the Racial Laws, and neither did the king. Badoglio wrote that he couldn't do that without getting the Germans real angry. Additionally there's a note from the Holy See claiming the extant law contains dispositions that need to be abrogated, and yet has some merits also somehow. Only after the Armistice all laws on discriminations on race, color, creed and politics are abrogated.

The Republic of Salò is fully anti-Semitic and openly acknowledges the Jews as part of an enemy nation, confiscates all the property of the Jews, has SS-like groups persecuting them wherever they find them, etc. In '44 Mussolini creates a Race Office and declares the elimination of the Jews as the purpose of the Republic. The Hunt for the Jews goes on until the very 25 of April 1945.

Life of Jews on Italian soil occupied by the Germans goes as well as you'd expect.

1/2

>>1783593
2/2
The Germans were in charge of anything that happened after arrested Jews were transferred to transfar camps by the Republic of Salò's authorities. Namely, the Germans would get them deported, away from Italy and towards German concentration and extermination camps.

The bottom line is that Mussolini transforms from what >>1783533 describes into a proper equal to Hitler only near the very end of the War and when he no longer is in charge of the Kingdom of Italy.

Because of this, the Italian people were not exposed to the quantity and quality anti-Semitic propaganda the Germans went through, they were more willing to help and rescue Jews from getting into Nazis hands.

People like Giorgio Perlasca and the Catholic monasteries and parishes saved a lot of lives from the Holocaust.

>>1783593
>>1783625
To add onto that, back when Mussolini was opposed to Hitler, he liked to champion how un-focused on race the Fascist Party was, and how many Jews he had in his ranks.

The Jewish religion has a lot of history of arguing over old texts. So there is an intellectual tradition that is like made to argue over Marxist theory.

Also they are inherently internationalist and have often been working or underclass contrary to popular belief.

There is zero historical insight itt

>>1783319
All his grandkids are Jewish

>>1783630
What does this (The Holocaust) have to do with the prevalence of jewish communists?

Surprised no one has mentioned the Jewish communist influence in China or the Jewish communist leadership in South Africa yet, especially South Africa.

>>1783295
>lie
>get caught
>b-b-b-but the jews!
another day in a /pol/tard life

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>>1782947
Capitalism is a precondition of communism. "Capitalist" Jews are accelerationists and often they work with their revolutionary cousins.

>>1782981
Why there were no Jews in the leadership of anti-communist movements like the Freikorps, then?

>>1783342
Kevin MacDonald isn't a professor anymore. He isn't taken seriously by any other academics.

This purim conspiracy shit is fucking hilarious

Jews just want to be at the top, they want power of goyim races, if you think that's a conspiracy im sorry to say, but welcome to the real world.

>>1782930
>Real reasons please, not "it's a Jewish plot" or whatever.
But it was.

>>1783790
Soros founded organizations that fought against communism

>like the Freikorps
Same reason there were no niggers in KKK, you genius

>>1783402
Trump is just cutting out the middle man

Why the fuck would you ever want to be even more directly ruled by the bourgeois elite?

>>1783791
>isn't a professor anymore
What great logic.

>>1783402
Son, pls.

>>1783809
Soros founded organizations that fought against national communism for international communism.

It's important to distinguish the two. Jews were not opposed to communism during its most brutal, internationalist phase. They only became "anti-communists" when communist itself become more nationalist, and milder.

Jews love to criticize the Great Purge, or the show trials in Eastern Europe after WW2. I have never, in my entire life, and I've spent a lot of time researching about the intellectual history of the Eastern Bloc, read a single word writen by a Jewish author condemning the Red Terror, or dekulakization.

That's the difference between anti-communism and (((anti-communism))). Anti-communist are guys like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Leszek Kołakowski, who were opposed to communism on principle. (((anti-communism))) is represented by George Soros, Adam Michnik and the neoconservatives in the United States, and it's only opposed to communism as long as communist regimes are not on their hands and used for their own purposes.

>>1783821
He's been fired from his post.

>>1783828
That doesn't discredit his educational merits or his arguments.

>>1783790
What? Some of the most prominent anti-communists who organized the slaughter of Rosa Luxemburg were Jewish

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_Rathenau

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Preuß

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>>1783851
Don't you understand, anon? When the Commies rebel against Weimar, they're traitors spiting their rightful German government. When the Nazis and the Freikorps rebel against Weimar, they're true German patriots trying to throw off the yoke of a Jewish-controlled Commie puppet regime.

Clear now?

>>1783809
>Same reason there were no niggers in KKK
So you admit that anti-Spartacists is the same as anti-jewish?

>>1783837
Nobody takes his antisemitic arguments seriously, though. He was laughed out of the academy.

Before you insist that it's because the academy is Jewish, nothing is stopping MacDonald from publishing his work in countries where there are no Jews.

>>1783851
>Rathenau initiated theTreaty of Rapallo, which removed major obstacles to trading with Soviet Russia while renouncing German territorial claims from World War I
wew
>Preuß was the father of the failed Weimar Republic

Double wew

>>1783881
>Rathenau also bankrolled the Kaiser's war effort
You know that Hitler also was buddy-buddy with the Soviet Union right up until he stabbed them in the back, right? They worked together because they both hated the Allies.

>>1783863
Luxemburg and Liebknecht were heroes murdered for trying to liberate the German people

>>1783878
I take his arguments seriously
>argumentum ad populum
We deconstruct entire races, cultures, religions, governments, and ethnicities here daily. No one deserves special treatment.

No thanks.

>>1783863
This

Why does /pol/ hate the Spartacists for trying to take down Weimar republic when the Nazis did the same?

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Jews have a pathological hatred of their host population. It has always been like this, even in countries where they were never mistreated.

Pic related. No country has been better for the Jews than the United States. And yet they want to undermine it and fundamentally change it anyway. It was the same in the German Empire, Austria-Hungary, Poland, countries that were historically good for Jews, but that they betrayed and destroyed.

Kevin MacDonald may have been "laughed out of the academia", but he is the only one that proposes a theory to explain this bizarre behavior.

>>1783900
Dislike of communists and 20/20 hindsight from the Bolsheviks maybe.

>>1783826
>Soros founded organizations that fought against national communism
National communism means communism as a tool of Russian imperialism?

>It's important to distinguish the two
No, not really. Nations don't mean shit for reds. If they can be usefull, they'll be used if not they won't. Differentiating between them will only make people think you are an ignorant new-worlder.

>Jews love to criticize the Great Purge, or the show trials in Eastern Europe after WW2
As does everyone

>read a single word writen by a Jewish author condemning the Red Terror, or dekulakization
Name some Jewish authors who wrote about it

>Anti-communist are guys like...
So realpolitik is applied by relevant people while idealists oppose things on principle? OMG Who would have through?

>>1783897
MacDonald's entire body of work on the Jews is an attempt to rationalize biases that he admits to have held before setting out on the project.

Every observation he makes is used as evidence for why Jews are all evil.

>>1783890
>appeasing your enemy temporarily and keeping an eye on him is "buddy buddy"

Why are you here?

>>1783890
Rathenau tried to use the war as an excuse to impose socialism in Germany and expropriate private property held by the hated goyim.

>>1783900
The Weimar Republic was too right for for commies and too left for Nazis

>>1783903
literally butthurt cherrypicking with zero argumentation value

>>1783908
I disagree, I think he found a pattern within academia and followed it like an unraveling string from a piece of clothing.
I wasn't raised with any aversion to jews, in fact I was raised to believe them as a holy people and Israel an ally, but I came to the same conclusions on my own long before I heard about MacDonald.

>>1783903
Trying to make your country more free and fair isn't treason you bootlicking cuckold.

I'm sure you think MLK war a traitor, too.

>>1783903
Tim Wise is completely correct, though. None of what he's saying is remotely anti American.

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>>1783923
Tim Wise comes very close to advocating genocide in that post, and he certainly leaves the possibility open in the subtext. Remember that what he wants is not a "free and fair" country either, but the demographic replacement of American Whites by Hispanics, Asians and Indians.

His rhetoric is very similar to Soviet rhetoric during dekulakization, which is not surprising. As I said, Jews have never criticized dekulakization, they have never been held responsible to the democide of Russian and Ukrainian small farmers that was implemented by them.

This should be reminded. When Jews threaten democide of American small farmers (which form the majority of "conservatives"), we should remember that Jews have already implemented such a policy, and they have never said a work of remorse about it. They would do it again if they had the chance, I have no doubt.

>>1783909
>Molotov-Ribbentrop was "appeasement"

They literally split Europe between the two of them. And this was after decades of beneficial use of the Soviet Union as a secret weapons testing ground to get around Versailles.

>>1783938
I agree, America as it exists right now is merely a vehicle for white genocide, therefore what he says is ultra-Americanism in its core.

>>1783944
Nigger what? How the hell do you get genocide from that post?

He's saying he wants hateful supporters of a hateful candidate to be unhappy. I wholeheartedly agree.

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>>1783903
I'm not Jewish and I agree with everything that guy wrote, so if you're posting it as an example of how much Jews hate their homeland, it actually just makes you look like a butt blasted right-winger raging, raging against the dying of the light.

>>1783944
He doesn't want demographic replacement you fucking retard

Do you truly believe the only options are supporting white genocide or being a literal Nazi?

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>>1783955
"I have no problem - and I mean NONE- with making sure they are done as a political force in this country. Interpret that however you wish".

I wish to interpret this a threat to mass murder.

As I said, remember that Jews have already committed democide against small farmers in the past and have not regretted it ever since.

>>1783955
multiculti is white genocide, obviously

>>1783944
>that was implemented by them
>During the time Stalin had near absolute power

wew, I smell bullshit

>>1783944
>polcuck incapable of comprehending a worldwide that does not involve genocide

Color me surprised

>>1783962
He certainly does. And have said so.

http://www.timwise.org/2010/11/an-open-letter-to-the-white-right-on-the-occasion-of-your-recent-successful-temper-tantrum/

>>1783970
kek

>>1783969
You left out the preceeding "And if they can't handle it and decide to declare civil war".

Changes a few things, doesn't it? I thought traitors were to be exterminated?

>>1783969
Sorry to break it to you, but "Trump fanatics" is not synonymous with white people

>>1783955
>>1783962
>>1783975
Have you ever even read anything written by that man?

>>1783973
Dekulakization was first proposed by Leon Trotsky, Stalin initially refused because he believed it would be going too far. It was only after he purged Bukharin and turned to the left, in 1929, that he went along with it.

Besides, operations on the ground were conducted by Lazar Kaganovich and Genrikh Yagoda, both Jewish.

It's symbolic that Jews complain so much about the Great Purge, when many of them were purged by Stalin, but never uttered a word of condemnation for dekulakization, were a mostly Jewish NKVD expopriated and slaughtered Russian and Ukrainian conservative rural people.

>>1783989
>Besides, operations on the ground were conducted by Lazar Kaganovich and Genrikh Yagoda, both Jewish
>Stalin initially refused because he believed it would be going too far
You gonna need sauce on those and on the Stalin's sudden change of mind

>It's symbolic that Jews complain so much about the Great Purge
>but never uttered a word of condemnation for dekulakization
Sorry, but that doesn't mean anything, since it is common for vast majority of historians (except for the Ukrainian ones maybe). Also these are just empty claims.

>>1783944
Stalin, Molotov, Kyubishev, Voroshilov, Mikoyan, Andreev, Kirov, Kalinin, and Ordzhonikidze were not Jewish.

Of the architects of collectivism, only Kaganovich and Trotsky were Jewish. But Trotsky was way out of the picture by the time they started implementing kolkhoz policy.

Yagoda was Jewish and oversaw punishment for "Kulaks", but didn't play any role in the collectivization policy.

>>1783976
Once again, no he doesn't.

You do realize that normal people, who aren't fascists, don't want to slaughter civilians en masse?

>>1783989
Collectivization was well-intentioned, even if it happened too fast. Stalin believed it was a necessary step to end class struggle and move toward full communism.

The problem was the abuse and slaughter of people who resisted collectivization. For this same reason, the great purge was also unacceptable.

>>1783976
nowhere there does he talk about genocide

Sorry m8

>>1783903
>look at Tim Wise beating low hanging fruit, see he is reasonable.

Tim Wise on white people-

>The kind of math … proves how your kind — mostly older white folks beholden to an absurd, inaccurate, nostalgic fantasy of what America used to be like — are dying.

>You’re like the bad guy in every horror movie ever made, who gets shot five times, or stabbed ten, or blown up twice, and who will eventually pass — even if it takes four sequels to make it happen — but who in the meantime keeps coming back around, grabbing at our ankles as we walk by, we having been mistakenly convinced that you were finally dead this time.

>Fair enough, and have at it. But remember how this movie ends. Our ankles survive. You do not.

>>1784052
>And I donotmean by that your physical destruction. We don’t play those games. We’re not into the whole “Second Amendment remedies, militia, armed resistance” bullshit that your side fetishizes, cuz, see, we don’t have to be.
>We don’t need guns.

>We just have to be patient.

>And wait for your hearts to stop beating.

>Do you hear it?

>The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, asyou knew it, ending, permanently?

>Because I do, and the sound of its demise isbeautiful

>So know this.

>If you thought this election was payback for 2008, remember…

>Payback, thy name is…Temporary.

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>>1784028
>You do realize that normal people, who aren't fascists, don't want to slaughter civilians en masse?
Jews do.

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>>1783944

>>1784052
>>1784058

I can't even begin to decipher this autism

>>1784052
>>1784058
Not talking about white people as a group

Once more, white people =/= white supremacists. The vast majority of whites are not genocidal bigots.

>>1783625
I am italian and I confirm.
I can add that lots of intellectuals supporting Racial Laws weren't actually persecuted after the war

>>1784066
Right wing Israeli nationalists do, and they need to be condemned for this. America's ties to such a fascistic state is disgusting.

>>1784079
Hey, he wants to kill all the ragheads trying to bring down the West. I thought you fucks wanted to do that too?

>>1784080
Its called hatred of white people.
Special thanks to academia's pariah Kevin MacDonald for sourcing those quotes!

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/11/tim-wise-hates-white-people/

>>1784079
>Jewish /pol/

>>1783646
this is true, but I think everyone here, and in general when discussing history, tends to give too much importance to the leading figures, while there was enormous popular support and the decisions weren't always taken by the leaders (there's way too many examples, but I'll just remember the Berlin uprising that led to the death of Luxemburg, Liebknecht etc. this was started byt the workers, not explicitly by the leaders

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>>1784080

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>>1784090
>Hey, he wants to kill all the ragheads trying to bring down the West.
What makes you think they consider the West any less a target?

>>1784091
Once more, nothing he says expresses hatred toward white people.

Anti white sentiment is a real thing, you can find some on tumblr or a Vice opinion piece if you look hard enough. But none of Wise's comments are anti white.

>>1784028
Some of the greatest mass murders in history were committed by anti-fascists.

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>>1784088
The Yanks sure know how to pick their allies.

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>>1784105
>none of Wise's comments are anti white.

Now THAT'S what I call mental gymnastics!

>>1784102
That Noel Ignatiev quote is fake.

You should like Ignatiev, he's profoundly anti Israel because he believes the state of Israel to be inherently racist

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>>1784114
>fake

>>1784105
I can't help you anon.

>>1783440
an 'ideology' against oppression
idiot

Jews are fucking scum
these dubs comfirm

>>1784112
Not all whites are Nazis. Sorry man

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>>1784081
People like Tim Wise have a very elastic definition of white supremacist. It basically means anyone who would refuse to let his daughter being taken to interracial breeding grounds.

What does that remind me of? Of course, dekulakization again:

>a Marxist conception of class struggle led to an almost totally imaginary class categorization being inflicted in the villages, where peasants with a couple of cows or five or six acres more than their neighbors were now being labeled "kulaks," and a class war against them declared.

Robert Conquest, Reflections on a Ravaged Century

Tim Wise believes that any white person who opposes his political views is a "white supremacist".

>>1784058
>And I donotmean by that your physical destruction
Literally just disproved your own point. He never calls for genocide.

Also, he isn't talking about white people. He says "your kind - mostly older white folks" which clearly implies "your kind" is mostly old white people, but includes others, and certainly does not imply it means all white people, or even all old white people.

You are really making a fool of yourself.

>>1784108
That's the problem with bourgeois democracy

Shekels uber alles

>>1784107
He's a radical racial abolitionist. He's anti white, anti black, anti Hispanic, even very anti Jewish

He spends his spare time getting sued by the ADL

>>1784114
I'm Anti-Semite, not an Anti-Zionist.

I wish every Jew would move to Israel and stop subverting white nations. As Kevin MacDonald says (and Yuri Slezkine, a Jewish author confirms), a huge part of Jewish pathological hatred of their host society is their status as perennial outsiders, their role as merchants and financiers, and their lack of roots to the land. Zionism cures them of that, that's why Israeli Jews are so similar to goyim in mentality and behavior. Taking himself to soldiering and farming, being connected to the land by blood and soil, has redeemed the Israeli Jew.

>>1784146
Meant for >>1784118

>>1784139
That pic is several layers of retardation

>>1784140
He literally is saying armed uprising isn't necessary and that instead white nations will die out in the next few sentences

>We don’t need guns.

>We just have to be patient.

>And wait for your hearts to stop beating.

>Do you hear it?

>The sound of your empire dying? Your nation, as you knew it, ending, permanently?

Assumedly he is referring to the disproportionate birth rates between whites and non-whites in white countries.
This is pretty obvious anon.
>your kind
What kind is he discussing anon? Clearly white, what else is he saying? This is the least cryptic, cryptic statement ever. He's practically saying "we just have to wait for you to die out enough to become a minority".

>>1784118
>someone pointed out I used a fake quote - better use another fake point, that will surely prove them wrong!

Mind telling us where these quotes come from, like links to the originals where they said these things. Or can you not do that, because they are made up?

>>1784139
No, he's referring to people who want it murder or subjugate non-whites.

Anybody who isn't an autistic Nazi should be able to realize this.

>>1784146
>"Jews just want to abolish the white race as a social category, they don't want mass murder of whites".

Yeah, and his cousin Lazar Kaganovich just wanted the liquidation of kulaks as a class.

>>1784158
>only mentioning Kaganovich
>and not the 9 other Politburo members who were not Jewish

Good meme my dude

>>1784155
Well you could actually link to the original article, and we could see what he means in context. But it is clear from the quotes you provided that "your kind" does not mean white - if it did, he wouldn't have needed to say "mostly older white folks" after it.

>Assumedly he is referring to the disproportionate birth rates between whites and non-whites in white countries
You realize birth rates among Jews are even lower than among non-Jewish whites, right? Are the Jews committing genocide against themselves?

>>1784157
He believes that people who are opposed to universal health care, gun control, higher taxes and criminal law reform want to subjugate non-whites.

For the record, I am not opposed to universal health care and higher taxes. But I don't believe people who don't think like me on these matters must be destroyed. Jews, otherwise, are very quick to believe that people who oppose them must either die or be replaced.

>>1784156
Here anon, watch his lips sync up with him saying the white race needs to be done with.


https://youtu.be/0mSASrzCuBw

>>1784148
Nigga, Jews don't hare their "host societies"

Jews are disproportionately likely to participate in social justice causes because members of a group who have experienced extreme hardship tend to sympathize with other groups experiencing hardship.

>>1784155
He didn't say anything about white nations.

Wise is saying the majority of whites who are extreme bigots are declining in number as white supremacist ideology loses prominence.

But you're probably being deliberately obtuse.

>>1784170
Getting rid of "whiteness" =/= killing white people

And I asked you to provide a source for the above quote, which is nowhere in this video.

>>1784155
Nigga he addresses his audience directly at the beginning of the article

The other article you linked explicitly says "I'm not speaking to white people as a group"

>>1784166
He's not saying they have to die. He's celebrating the decline of people with these right-wing views in the US.

Is this douchey? Absolutely.
Genocidal? Obviously not.

Why can't anyone actually provide a full source, like a link to an article or a full video of a lecture? Instead we just get heavily edited clips or disconnected quotes without any context. Could it be because /pol/tards are liars incapable of an intellectually honest argument?

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>>1784173
What "extreme" hardship Jews suffered in the German Empire, or Austria-Hungary?

Catholics were more persecuted by the Prussian-based regime than Jews (see the Kulturkampf of the XIXth century), and yet you didn't see Catholic betraying Germany en masse and trying to impose a theocracy.

>>1784208
The 1918 revolution was a revolution against capitalism.

German workers of all backgrounds were being exploited by the Empire and the bourgeoisie who ran it. They wanted a free and fair society where all people could live fulfilling and prosperous lives, not just the wealthy.

But the right just wanted more oppression, so they murdered the Sparticists

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>>1782930
Socio economics?
I mean aside from Stalin they were all pretty well off and had good starts in life for the most part, he actually got shit for being a peasent if I remember properly.
Jews in the Russian empire at the time tended to be segregated into certain professions like minorities are today, just look at London taxi drivers if you want a contemporary example, it looks like Jews designated caste-like places brought them into typically socialist influenced thought areas.

Or maybe it was the ancient conspiracy who knows.

>>1784208
>betraying germany
>by trying to liberate the German people

sure thing

>>1784208
>What "extreme" hardship Jews suffered in the German Empire, or Austria-Hungary?
They weren't allowed to get jobs in the civil service. And they were subject to blood libel. See: The Tiszaeszlar and Hilsner Affairs. Never mind all the various informal discrimination.

>Catholics were more persecuted by the Prussian-based regime than Jews (see the Kulturkampf of the XIXth century), and yet you didn't see Catholic betraying Germany en masse and trying to impose a theocracy
Except Catholics supported the Revolution that overthrew the Kaiser and established the Weimar Republic, and it was a Catholic politician (Matthias Erzburger) who signed the armistice for Germany. But apparently it's only treason when Jews do it.

A higher percentage of Jews fought and died in World War I than any other ethnic or religious group in Germany. Some traitors

>>1784237
Got any proofs of that?In France it ws the other way around apparently.

>>1784247
The Germans themselves carried out a census of Jews during the war. It's called the Judenzahlung.

Bryan Mark Rigg. Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military (University Press of Kansas; 2002)

>>1784217
>>1784228
We all saw how this "free and fair" society, this "liberation", worked out in Russia, where the Jews won.

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>>1784187
>Getting rid of "whiteness" =/= killing white people

That's right goyim we don't want to kill you, we just want to destroy your culture and identity!

Why slaughter the cow that gives you milk?

Iyiyiyi!

>>1784237
>more Jews fought for Germany in WW1 than Germans

What?

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>>1784256
That's the sad thing about it. If Hitler hadn't decided to use them as his boogeyman on his rise to power, the Jews would have probably become Nazis in droves. He wanted to rebuild Germany's status on the world stage, he wanted to reestablish German power, he wanted to get back at the Allies for defeating Germany and imposing punitive measures upon her, and (at least on the surface) they wanted to improve conditions for the Germans who weren't in the aristocracy. German Jews would have jumped at the chance for a nationalist German political party that was about the national identity instead of the racial one.

But...that's not who the Nazis were. Ethnic politics were very much a huge cornerstone of their rise to power and their governance, and Hitler hated Jews to his core (even if he didn't actually believe any of the shit he said about them).

>>1784280
He probably means more than any minority.

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>>1784295
You don't understand. Jews always hate their host societies, they would never cooperate with a German nationalist political project, no matter how "progressive".

>>1784300
That's why Jews were disproportionately represented in the Fascist Party, right?

>>1784304
Nope it was because they are greedy

>>1784152
can you explain why?

>>1784304
The Fascist Party was initially a revolutionary party that was in direct contradiction with the ideals of Italian society, its tradition of political descentralization, and with the Catholic Church.

That's what attracted Jews towards it, initially. then they got disappointed that Mussolini didn't actually try to remade the country in a bloodbath, but just became another authoritarian dictator.

>>1784320
No jews are greedy people. But I see your point.

>this entire thread.

is it that hard for /pol/ to stay in their containment board?

>>1782930
Jews are on average more intelligent and have higher IQ's than any other group on the planet so they're more likely to be intellectuals.

>>1784330

This, i wouldn't otherwise believe it but because it was written in the bell curve...

>>1784325
>No jews are greedy people

>>1784329
They are a lot like tumblr in the way that they swarm when they see something that triggers them. It's pretty hilarious to watch their autism ensue.

>>1784330
And yet few Jews become anti-communist intellectuals.

>>1784330
On average they are just less intelligent, it's just that they have greater range. So there are a few genius Jews and a lot of dumb jews.

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>>1784295
>If Hitler hadn't decided to use them as his boogeyman on his rise to power, the Jews would have probably become Nazis in droves.
>he doesn't know about the Amalek myth
The truth is that kikes believe that Germans are the secret descendants of the ancient Canaanite tribes.

They think that all Germans are the descendents of King Agag of Amalek, through the Persian vizier Haman.

(((Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld))), the rabbi of Jerusalem, refused to meet the Kaiser in 1898 because of this belief.

Johann Andreas Eisenmenger talked about it in his book "Entdecktes Judenthum".

It's a completely retarded belief, on the same tier as British Israelism, that posits that this Middle Eastern, pagan people somehow ended up as white Christians in central Europe, but they seriously believe this stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek

Jews have hated and wanted to exterminate Germans since the 17th century. There is no compatibility between Judaism and any German state, especially a Christian one. Even the Jews admit it.

>>1782999
Yea but Germany got a few good licks in.

>>1784431
Any Rand? Milton Friedman? Murray Rothbard? Von Mises?

Why are stormniggers so fucking dumb?

>>1783052
>Jewish people were oppressed
>Jewish people were well educated and moderately wealthy

Hmmmmmmm

>>1784496
Nice libertarian memes ya got there.

>>1782930
>Why were so many early 20th century communists Jewish or of Jewish descent?
Because Jews have an inherent anti-nationalism streak (except in Israel of course) due to being historically oppressed. They always favor internationalism over nationalism.

This is why Jews are overwhelmingly democrats in the USA, despite this being against their economic interests.

>>1784514
>despite this being against their economic interests.
>the Democrats are a true leftist party and not pro-immigration, pro-liberal social values centrism

>>1784496
Karl Marx himself defended the free-market because he believed that it had a role in destroying all traditional institutions that stood in the way of communist revolution.

So it's not surprising that most "anti-communist" Jews are actually crypto-accelerationists who pretend to oppose communism while actually empowering it in the long term.

>>1784276
>Stalin in charge
>Jews winning

>>1784537
Stalin was a moderate compared to Trotsky.

Stalin only collectivized agriculture, while Trotsky wanted to militarize urban labour too, basically instituting slavery in Russia.

>>1784524
>all kikes are secret communists even the ones who are anti communist
take your meds stormnigger

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>>1784202
Surely not, anon. Reason and facts are Jewish creations and must be ignored if one is to truly get at the great Jewish plot!

>>1784524
>Jews fighting against communism are actually fighting for communism

The convoluted mind of a stormnigger must be a fascinating thing.

>>1782930
it's a Jewish plot

>>1784543
I bet you fell for the "Fidel Castro is an anti-communist" meme too you dumb goy

>>1784280
Are you illiterate? "A higher percentage". As in a greater percentage of Jews joined up than non-Jews

>>1784504
There is no contradiction between those two things, and you would have to be retarded not to realize that

>>1784591
I don't know which is worse, people who fell for the "Fidel Castro is an anti-communist" meme or the people who fell for the "Mao Zedong is not really a communist meme".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Atkinson

>While in China, he visited Mao Tse-Tung in Yenan and was captivated by Mao, writing favorably on the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) movement, and against the Nationalist government of Chiang Kai-Shek, which he saw as reactionary and corrupt. After visiting Yenan, he wrote that the CCP political system was best described as an "agrarian or peasant democracy, or as a farm labor party."[2][3] Atkinson viewed the Chinese Communist Party as Communist in name only and more democratic than totalitarian; the Times effusively titled his article Yenan, a Chinese Wonderland City.[2][3]

Curiously, both were views peddled by the (((New York Times))). Coincidence? Or, might I say, cohencidence?

>>1784609
>cohencidence

kek

>all this discussion of Communist jews
>no mention of South Africa
Who were Nelson Mandela's only "white" co-conspirators?

Denis Goldberg, a Cape Town engineer and leader of the Congress of Democrats
Lionel "Rusty" Bernstein, architect and member of the South African Communist Party (SACP)
Bob Hepple
Arthur Goldreich
Harold Wolpe, prominent attorney and activist
James "Jimmy" Kantor, brother-in-law of Harold Wolpe

Who have been the leaders of the "oppostion" party?

Tony Leon
Hellen Zille

Who were the most prominent activists at the forefront of ending white rule?

Harry Schwarz
Helen Suzman
Bernard Friedman
Nadine Gordimer
Ronnie Kasrils - co-founder of the military wing of the terrorist ANC and later intelligence minister of South Africa

Secretary general of the South African Communist Party (SACP)?

Joe Slovo

His wife, Ruth First's parents co-founded the SACP.

The SACP along with COSATU and the ANC are part of the tripartite aliance.

This means that the Communist party wins if the ANC wins even though they do not even appear on voting ballots.

Who has been for close to a century the riches family in South Africa?

The Openheimers.

South Africa's biggest Tycoons and Magnates?

Raymond Ackerman
Alfred Beit
Sol Kerzner
Donald Gordon
etc etc

>>1784627
oy

>>1784632
vey

But lets be honest with ourselves, this kinda blows away the theory that jews attached themselves to communism in Europe due to past oppression.

>>1784609
Mao Zedong's haven in Yenan had a hierarchy. He was a Socialist, not a Communist.

>>1784627
As shown with the lies of >>1783217 >>1783224 >>1783228 >>1783231 >>1783235, refuted by >>1783282, instead of giving source-less lists of names (which don't say absolutely anything), why not, say, show a full list of parliamentary members of the party and show the proportion of jews. That way, cherrypicking would be avoided, and we could judge the real degree of jewish influence.

>>1784609
This is even more retarded cherrypicking. Literally found some irrelevant random theatre critic that met and liked mao who happened to be jew and ran with it. But /pol/tard theories are always fun, what's that bit about fidel castro? I never heard of him being anti communist.

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>>1784661
This is some pretty good damage control.

Wait, no it isn't.

>>1784278
Whiteness didn't emerge as a concept until the 16th or 17th century

You think no culture existed before that point?

>>1784670
Great argument, my /pol/tard friend.

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>>1784627
Crikey! Here we see the stormnigger in its natural habitat. Afraid, it suddenly spouts an incredibly long list of copy-pasted points that is too convoluted or too boring for any reasonable person to sit here fact-checking it all or arguing with it each time it presents a newly copy-pasted ''''''''argument.'''''''' It will continue to do this as its other claims are debunked or challenged, until its predators lose interest and grow weary of the chase and decide to let the retarded fuck piss off and waste its own time. Most incredible of all, this beastie doesn't even hafta think about it - it's just all instinct! It doesn't waste an ounce of its preciously minuscule brainpower cogitatin' a coherent defense of itself or its worldview, meaning it's got more energy to do more important stuff like making long, sourceless ''''''infographics'''''' or fighting its eternal enemy, the great Jewish borgmind, on Twitter!

Fascinating little critters, aren't they? I mean, wouldya just look at >>1784670 right there? It didn't take it even ten seconds to slap that onto the keyboard and save itself from sure intellectual destruction. Nice going little stormnigger! Nature really is incredible.

>>1784300
>the words of a right wing Israeli rabbi are identical to the beliefs of an atheist American Jew

>>1784643
Lol in what way does it do that at all?

>>1784278
"whiteness" isn't white people's "culture and identity". Try again

>>1784695
Because South Africa was very favorable to the jews with no history of oppression or discrimination towards them. It regulates the idea that they turned to communism out of oppression to canard-status.

>>1784661
The hilarious thing is that random theatre critic isn't even Jewish, so I don't even know what the stormfag was even trying to say there.

>>1784703
>Because South Africa was very favorable to the jews with no history of oppression or discrimination towards them
[citation needed]

Even if true, it doesn't support what you are saying either. Just because someone or their parents or grandparents moved to a country where they are not oppressed, it doesn't mean they would just forget the oppression they suffered earlier. It would still influence their beliefs.

>>1784703
Bullshit.

>The National Party of D F Malan closely associated itself with policies of the Nazis. Jewish immigration from Eastern Europe was controlled under the Aliens Act and came to an end during this period. Although Jews were accorded status as Europeans, they were not accepted into white society. The Kelvin Grove sports club for example had an exclusive Europeans Only and No Jews policy until recent times. Some 11 such sports clubs had similar policies. Many Jews lived in mixed race areas such as District Six, from where they were forcibly removed to make way for a whites-only development
>In 1936, Verwoerd joined a deputation of six professors in protesting against the admission to South Africa of Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany."Following these demands of the Nationalist Party, Eric Louw, later Foreign Minister, introduced another anti-Semitic bill that strongly resembled Nazi legislation - the Aliens Amendment and Immigration Bill of 1939. His bill was a means of suppressing all Jews. This bill suggested that Jews threatened to overpower Protestants in the business world and were innately cunning and manipulative and that Jews were a danger to society. To support his claim, Louw maintained that Jews were involved in the Bolshevik Revolution and therefore intended to spread Communism worldwide. This bill defined Jews as anyone with parents who were at least partly Jewish regardless of actual religious faith or practices
>During the 60s, Oswald Mosley, the British fascist leader, was a frequent visitor to South Africa, where he was received by the Prime Minister and other members of the Cabinet. At one time Mosley had two functioning branches of his organization in South Africa, and one of his supporters, Derek Alexander, was stationed in Johannesburg as his main agent.
>Upon Verwoerd's assassination in 1966, BJ Vorster was elected by the National Party to replace him. Vorster had been a supporter of Hitler during WWII

>>1784707
Robert Lawrence Kuhn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lawrence_Kuhn

>He is a long-time adviser to China's leaders and the Chinese government, tomultinational corporationson China strategies and transactions, and is a frequent commentator on China politics, economics, business, finance, philosophy and science.

>Israel Epstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Epstein

>Israel Epstein(20 April 1915 – 26 May 2005) was anaturalizedChinese journalist and author. He was one of the few foreign-born Chinese citizens of non-Chinese origin to become a member of theCommunist Party of China.

>Frank Coe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Coe

>Coe sought work abroad, eventually finding a sponsor in thePeople's Republic of China, where he joined a circle of expatriates working with the government. In 1962, he was joined bySolomon Adlerin the circle.[13]Coe participated in Mao's disastrous Great Leap Forward

>>1784728
Nice try, but the one referred to earlier was Brooks Atkinson.

>>1784487
I'll never understand why is denying something such a harsh crime to commit. Isn't it like a thought-crime?

>>1784734
Well I'm not. Refute these, and rwfute the list of Jews in the communist ANC leadership please. Then explain why the jewish leadership of the first Soviet, the Sparticist Uprising, the ANC, and the list of prominent Chinese communists are unrelated and merely coincidental. Thank you.

>Solomon Adler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Adler

>Solomon Adler(August 6, 1909 — August 4, 1994) was an economist in the U.S. Treasury Departmentwho served as Treasury representative in China during World War II. He was identified byWhittaker ChambersandElizabeth Bentleyas aSovietintelligence source and resigned from the Treasury Department in 1950. After several years teaching at Cambridge University in England, he returned to China, where he resided from the 1960s until his death, working as a translator and economic advisor. Beginning in the early 1960s, Adler was also affiliated with theCentral External Liaison Department, an important Chinese Communist Party organ whose functions include foreign intelligence.

>Sidney Shapiro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Shapiro


>Sidney Shapiro(Chinese:沙博理;pinyin:Shā Bólǐ) (December 23, 1915 – October 18, 2014) was an American-born Chineseauthor and translator who lived inChinafrom 1947 to 2014. Born in Brooklyn,New York, he was ofJewish ethnicity. He lived inBeijingfor over a half century and was a member of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Council. He was one of very few naturalized citizens of the PRC.

>>1784728
Give me any european ethnicity and i'll find you a couple of them involved in the chinese revolution. Hell, i'll give you more jewish nazi collaborators if you want, are jews responsible for nazism?
List of names are garbage anon, it is honestly incredible to me how someone with a working brain would think that 3 random jews (one of which was apparently incarcerated by communists according to their wiki) in a billion people country prove they are in some conspiracy. Again, feel free to post a full list of government officials, parliamentary members, or whatever you want (as long as it is complete), so we know you are not cherrypicking and we can assess their real influence.

You retards really need to take some epistemology/logic course.

>>1784734
His employer, the owner of the NYT at the time, was Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Hays_Sulzberger

>>1784758
All you've proved at least five Jews liked Maoism. Nice job, but it's irrelevant.

>unrelated and merely coincidental
No has claimed that. Read the posts at the beginning of the thread, before you stormfags started to shit it up, where people offer explanations for why Jews tended to support leftist parties.

The burden of proof is on you to prove the existence of a conspiracy. Simply listing random Jews proves nothing.

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>>1784758
Jews may be Communists but not help the greater Jewish community by doing so. For example, some Germans were Communist but that did not help all Germans because Communism was awful for even more Germans. There, debunked.

>>1784766
Employers are not responsible for everything their employees say or do, so it's another irrelevant name, which proves nothing about Jews wanting to genocide white people.

>>1784772
No true scotsman
>>1784770
5 extremely influential Jews and a majority of the only foreigners to be naturalized by the CCP.
>>1784765
Why don't you give examples instead of claiming you can.

>Rewi Alley

> Rewi Alley, 路易•艾黎, Lùyì Àilí,QSO,MM(2 December 1897 – 27 December 1987), was aNew Zealand-born writer, educator, political activist, revolutionary, social reformer, potter, and member of theCommunist Party of China.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rewi_Alley

>Chen Bidi

>no Wikipedia page available

>Sidney Rittenberg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Rittenberg

>Sidney Rittenberg(Chinese:李敦白;pinyin:Lǐ Dūnbái; born August 14, 1921) is anAmerican journalist, scholar, and Chinese linguist who lived inChinafrom 1944 to 1979. He worked closely with People's Republic of China (PRC) founderMao Zedong, military leader Zhu De, statesmanZhou Enlai, and other leaders of theChinese Communist Party(CCP) during the war, and was with these central Communist leaders at Yan'an. He witnessed first-hand much of what occurred at upper levels of the CCP and knew many of its leaders personally.

>>1784799
>Why don't you give examples instead of claiming you can.
Are you retarded? If we were to list every french maoist from the mid XX century we would post half their intellectuals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Amin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Badiou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Courtois
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tiemble
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Ewald
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Glucksmann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Jambet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Karmitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kouchner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Kristeva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvain_Lazarus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_L%C3%A9vy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_L%C3%A9vy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natacha_Michel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_%28philosopher%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Milner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Rolin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mireille_Schurch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Verg%C3%A8s
(note that if no mention of maoism is made, they still appear in the maoist french category, and you can just google them).

Take into account that this list:
- Doesn't include random people, just relevant intellectuals
- Doesn't include important people that moved away from maoists like foucault (i would reach the character limit lel)

While we're at it, from one of the wiki pages you posted:
"In February 1968, several members of the "Dr. Norman Bethune - Yan'an rebel group" were arrested, among them Israel Epstein and his wife Elsie Fairfax-Cholmeley, Michael Shapiro and Rittenberg. This time, the reason for his arrest was supposed actions and criticisms against the dictatorship and bureaucracy."
Why were half of the jews from your list arrested by communists? What a strange conspiracy!

>>1784799
That is not a no true scotsman. You can't just belt out a random logical fallacy's name and claim victory. Even if you used it correctly, you are supposed to use knowledge of it to pick apart a weak argument, not spout it off and become the "winner." Stormniggers are autistic retards.

>>1784799
The idea that Jews are overrepresented in the ranks of Communist Parties is the entire premise of this thread and no one has disputed it. The question is why. Thus far you have yet to provide any credible evidence it is because Jews are out to get white people. But by all means continue wasting your time trying to prove a point no has disputed.

>>1784799
>extremely influential
>

>>1784844
To be fair, Jews made up ~5% of the Bolsheviks, but the only Russian Imperial census from two decades earlier places Jews at ~4.5% of the population. They were not "over-represented."

>>1784863
They were in the central committee, just not nearly as much as stormfags say.

>>1784836
Are you memeing me son? I went down that that list and many are jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Glucksmann
Jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marin_Karmitz
Jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Kouchner
Jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Kristeva
Part-Jew

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvain_Lazarus
Jew

Well played lol.

>>1783128

Hope you don't lock your doors.

>>1784924
4 out of 19 (counting kristeva is ridiculous). And they belong to both sets.
You're missing the point, my dear /pol/tard, i could use the exact "arguments" you are using with any european ethnicity and i would have more examples than you have. Because your argument is fucking retarded.

>>1784981
I stopped halfway.
>you're argument is retarded

Throughout history groups have converted for social and political reasoning or used religion as a means of consolidating power. Religous groups have banded together politically and exerted themselves over others. Why you or anyone else ignores this mountain of evidence and gives the Jewish people a pass is beyond me.

>>1782930
Jews (especially European Jews) have a long history of prolific contributions in many fields. Jews also have a noticeable history in movements of social/political reform and revolution, seeing as the Jews were often among the downtrodden of society, and many Jews believe in the concept of "tikkun olam," or "repairing the world."
In Russia especially, where the (at one point) millions-strong Jewish population suffered under the Tsar's regime, Jews were eager to take part in a promising revolution that seemed to offer hope of egalitarianism.
t. American of Russian Jewish ancestry

>>1785011
>I stopped halfway.
Cool, feel free to keep going.

>Why you or anyone else ignores this mountain of evidence and gives the Jewish people a pass is beyond me.
Because you haven't provided any serious evidence.

>>1785030
There will never be enough evidence for you, even if some unearthed treatise to infiltrate and push communism worldwide is found.

>>1782930

capitalism and marxism are both fundamentally anti-nationalist ideologies and jews are naturally anti-nationalist. Until recently, Jews have spent much of their existence as an undesirable nomadic group living in a world that functions at a nation-state level. Nationalism is a hierarchic ideology in which the ethnic out-group is part of a lower caste.

It's against the interest of jews to believe in and support such a system, which is why they are egalitarian and support either marxism- which has a fixation on class division rather than ethnic-national division, or capitalism- in which the profit motive supersedes all things, including the national interest.

Jews have high IQs, giving them a higher aptitude at actually taking over institutions of academia, media and politics so that they can advance their agenda in a way most minorities can't. This is why jews get a reputation for being nation-wrecking parasites nearly everywhere they go.

Jews have both the biologically driven compulsion and ability to infiltrate, subvert and destroy their host nations.

>>1783329
>Purim is ritual murder
The only time on Purim that Jews get their hands in sticky red liquid is when they're making pastries.

>>1783385
>>1783393
>>1783369
>>1783404
>>1783510
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>>1783537
1/4 Jewish ancestry (a Jewish maternal grandfather) isn't considered being Jewish by most standards. Only in reform Judaism would his mother be considered a Jewish woman, but if his mother was Jewish, he would be Jewish by default.

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>>1785026
>Jews believe in the concept of "tikkun olam," or "repairing the world."

>mfw people believe this manufactured plausible deniability designed to make subversion appear altruistic while ignoring Israel's history

>>1785042

jews have high IQ's because their entire culture is based on study, maybe other societies should take a lesson from it instead of having their population encouraging ignorant peasants and thinking their king or leader is always right. that is why it is easy for an outside tribe to "subvert" it because their systems are bad anyways and they would fail.

Every culture should keep things like education at a priority, but most do not care about it.

>>1785036
>There will never be enough evidence for you
Not really, i'm open to new evidence and changing my opinions, which i have done plenty of times (on other subjects), your arguments are just retarded.

Seriously, leaving jews aside, your argument could be generalized as "given a revolution/uprising/government comprising millions of people, if at least 5 people of a same outside ethnicity can be proven to be vaguely associated to that revolution, then they are part of a conspiracy in said revolution/uprising/government". Could you imagine shit like this in an academic paper unrelated to jews? No? Because it's fucking retarded.

>>1785066
they study because they have high IQs not the other way around

>>1784208
>what were pogroms
>what were religious persecutions in the Middle Ages
That being said, Jews in Central Europe in the early 20th century were much less persecuted than those in Eastern Europe.

100+ nations didn't go wrong in kicking the bloodsucking, parasitic vermin out. Jews are anti humanity. We Gentiles are goyim, or cattle, to them. Google George soros and his support of the nonwhite invasion of Europe and blm.

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>>1784698
>whiteness isn't white

>>1784066
You'd be surprised how many Jews are opposed to Israel's human rights abuses.

>>1785080
One was the creator of China's equivalent of Pravda, 3 were upper echelon advisors, you're being purposefully obtuse and ignoring the worldwide pattern.

>>1785064
>buzzwords: the post

>>1785088

Judaism comprises several ethnic groups and a lot of them like to study.

I just think it's better to have education and study as goals. I have a couple of Jewish friends and they are much better than some of the uneducate people around here. The people here fight in the streets over things that do not matter. They shoot fire hazard fireworks sometimes on the 4th of july (though not recently), and drunkenness is pretty common. I don't like it when a society has a problem like not liking education, and they choose to scapegoat someone else for it.

>>1785104
I'm not being purposefully obtuse, your arguments are retarded and you have a gigantic confirmation bias.
3 upper echelon advisors (i could debate this, but whatever) doesn't tell me shit if i don't know how many there are in total. How is this not obvious? Why were some of them arrested? If they are the basis of communist china, how did the revolution happen before they arrive (if i remember correctly from the wiki pages)? If i find 3 advisors from another ethnicity, would i prove a conspiracy? If not, why does the argument only apply to jews?

>>1785115
certain cultures are more averse to education than others because of the people that the culture is composed of. if you locked a group of people with downs syndrome into a library with enough food for ten years they wouldn't develop a culture of reading and analyzing philosophy. they'd stick to the coloring books.

>>1785096

My friend said he doesn't have as much influence as conspiracy theorists would like him to.

>>1784524

>IT ALL FITS YOU SEE

>>1785098
Reread that post you replied to a few more times, then define "whiteness" to me.

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>>1785175
>define "whiteness" to me.

if you have to ask...

>>1785088
That's stupid, Judaism was heavily scholastic even when there was no genetic distinction between Jews and Arabs

>>1785113
If you consider those terms to be "buzzwords" then I might ask you to quit posting here and instead focus on passing high school English.

>>1785061
No, but it would imply a probable predilection to them based on familial relations which would explained his inclusion of so many in the first Soviet.

>>1785128
Because as stated they were the only foreigners to reach that status.

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Jews have always been revolting because they reject the logos, communism was but the topical skin.

>>1785276
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Braun_%28communist%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_Sneevliet
Not only is that not true, but other foreigners were far more important (ie relevant during the formation of the party or during the civil war, instead of irrelevant advisors decades later, only relevant for stormfag cherrypicks).
I'm going to sleep now.

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>>1785331
You found 1. Good job Chaim.

Hate to say it but the stormfags made some decent posts here

>>1785546
/pol/ got utterly btfo here

>>1783157
>not remembering how antisemetic those countries were even
Ostensibly equal rights is not the same thing as equal treatment.

>>1785641
Utterly you say?! Nay my good sir, neither side proved nor disproved each other's hypothesis!
*swirls cape*

>>1784679
kek

>>1785546
Like what?

>>1785546
Well, you would think that, given that you're obviously one of them