>mfw i realize there are more documentations and evidence

>>1773251
Because there was no Holodomor, silly.

>>1773251
The problem with the Holodomor is the autistic obsession with proving willful intent. Ukrainian rightists are obsessed that somehow, this famine was an attempt to murder all Ukrainians.

The holodomor disproportionately affected Ukraine because that was where the bulk of collectivization practices were enacted. In addition, weather factors led to a particularly bad crop in parts of Ukraine. However, the famine affected much of Southern Russia as well.

Stalin, in all his stoic hard-heartedness, demanded that large amounts of food be taken from the farms to the cities, even though this meant the farmers would have less to eat. He didn't only treat Ukrainians this way.

>>1773258
[COLAPSE]

>>1773251
This. The Soviets may have been murderously neglectful but a claim of 'genocide' requires deliberate Soviet intent to exterminate the Ukranians.

>>1773262
>Ukrainian rightists are obsessed that somehow, this famine was an attempt to murder all Ukrainians.
Cockholes want to have their own Holocaust, so they can have some money from Russia.

>>1773262
Didn't Kazakhstan get hit by the famine harder? Obviously not in terms of absolute numbers but the SSR lost 38% of the population and made Kazakhs a minority in their own republic ( and not until the 1990s did Kazakhs become the largest group in Kazakhstan again)

>>1773280
>but the SSR lost 38% of the population
Where the fuck do you get such absurd numbers?

>>1773277
Right.

Is it just coincidence that the word "holodomor" sounds a lot like "holocaust"? I'm legitimately not sure.

>>1773307
"Holodomor" roughly means "to famish", so it's a coincidence.

>>1773307
Nah, that's actually a coincidence. They were trying to make it sound like "Gorta Mor"

>>1773290
From the fact that at least 1.5 million people died? Kazakhstan wasn't exactly the most populous place to begin with.

>>1773270
It wasn't even just Ukrainians.

But the Ukrainain government started politicizing it after the early 90s to get Western shekels.

>>1773280
>>1773290
Numbers are confused.

Kazakhs were 60% of the population of Kazahstan in 1926, and 38% by 1939. But this was not just famine deaths. Kazakh emigration, Russian immigration, and shrinking Kazakh birthrates due to better standards for women also lowered the birth-rate.

About 1.5 million Kazakhs died in the famine alongside 3 to 5 million Ukrainians.

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>>1773328
>About 1.5 million Kazakhs died in the famine alongside 3 to 5 million Ukrainians
Then how did USSR managed to have population raise with all these deaths?

>>1773341
Russian immigration man. They fucking flooded the place by the millions.

>>1773341
It's a big country. When you have 500 million people, losing 5 million in a year doesn't mean too much.

Even the United States, with its low birthrate and declining immigration, expands by about 3 million a year. Russia had huge birthrates, given the rural nature of most of the population.

>>1773251
The hunger wasn't even Soviet fault in the first place. USSR inherited a totally fucked up agriculture complex from the Russian Empire, so it took some time to get it running.

>>1773341
Good question actually, especially because birth-rates in Ukraine were already declining as more women became educated and more people moved to the cities.

>>1773345
Right, but the whole of the USSR continued to grow.

>>1773323
The vastly different treatment of the Holodomor from the Irish Famine proves that the purpose of the Holodomor debate is to defame Russia.

>>1773376
Huh, that's a really good point

>>1773364
What >>1773350 said. Now the famine wasn't so much an issue about the population as a whole, but more the demographics within, as with the Kazakhstan example it made certain groups a minority in their own SSR.

>>1773251
(Jude)

>>1773442
not an argument

>Holodomor was a deliberately planned event
>meanwhile Ukrainian nationalists weren't trying to exterminates Jews and Poles from Ukraine, they're dindu nuffins, it was all undercover commies and commie lies, even if it's not commie propaganda the Jews and Poles were asking for it anyway
Ukrainians are scum.