If religion is against hedonism, why every religion is something

There are many forms of pleasure.

Graceful peace is where most religions tend to point to.

>>1770639
Almost always you need discipline in order to make yourself better, religion is something like that

>>1770639
Even graceful hedonism still a hedonism in its core.

>>1770676
Religions shouldn't be about feeling good in a physical way, they should rather create you a mindset not to take grief out of unimportant things. In religion you need to let go of things, while in hedonism you need to find new things to satisfy your needs

>>1770676
yeah, this is why the dhamma only use this one to get to nibanna. only nibanna is a worthy happiness.
this is what religious people miss, and even worse, most religious people are material hedonists, not even spiritual hedonist

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>>1772646
so in the dhamma you have
-material hedonism [meaning money and sex, life of the pleb] is good to have, but not necessary to reach nibanna
-spiritual hedonism, where pleasure is gotten through meditation, necessary to be happy, but not enough
-then with right view[=dhamma]+ spiritual hedonism, you reach nibanna

most people think that spiritual hedonism is shit, but the pleb loves to claim that tthey are non-degenerate good people, and even the few who manage to get there do not reach nibanna.

>>1772646
The problem is in the people, not in the religion

I think it is a bad choice to will to change everybody. religious people should not try to change ''society''

>>1773101
Yeah, most religious people (in western culture) have a really bad way of spreding their teachins. I mean, just look at the Spanish inquisition...

The hedonism most people criticize is "physical hedonism", that is, living for physical pleasure.

>>1770534
Religion teaches joy, not pleasure.

>>1773236
Or rather external hedonism.