ITT: Post better leaders for civilisations, if they exist. Probably

>>1761618
>Victoria
>England

>Saladin
>Arabia

>Cleopatra
>Egypt

Are these jokes?

>>1761625
No.

The leader direction was a bit borked on this one, not too over the top SJW level but still kind of odd.
Scythians were included for being a "progressive" civ.

No clue why they put fucking Gorgo in there when previously all they had was Alexander.

Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka, Chandragupta II, Akbar or anybody else for India (or ideally, multiple Indian civs).

Louis IX, Francis I or Louis XIV for France.

Overall I'd rather just have a different choice of civilizations.

>Kongo, Sparta, Poland and Brazil (well at least Brazil might have a good theme again)
>no Byzantium
>no Dutch
>no Ottomans
>no Persia, in any form (just once I want something other than the Achaemenids)
>no Angkor, Siam, or Pagan
>no Java
>no Inca
>Scythians instead of Mongols
>Aztec instead of Maya

>>1761814
Honestly the Indian blob civ is one of my biggest pet peeves with civ. Other civilizations get blobbed too, like the celts or Polynesians, but nobody gets it as bad or consistently as India.

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>>1761829
Yeah, I can get the likes of Celts or Polynesians since individual tribes or regions aren't really notable enough on their own, but with India it's like including 'Middle East' or 'Europe' as a civilization. I'd love to see the likes of the Mauryans, Cholas, Vijayanagara, Mughals, etc, represented separately. At the very least they could include one Hindu and one Islamic Indian one.

Persia bother me too, since Achaemenid, Sassanid and Islamic Persia were so hugely different, but at least they were the same people. With India there's just no excuse.

>>1761618
Ptolomeus or Naseer
William de Normandy
Enrico Dendolo
Justinian
Andrew Jacksom
Lawrence of Arabia
Otto von Bismarck or some Salian
Sima Yi
Emperor Asoka
Charlemagne or Napoopan

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>Gilgamesh
>Tomyris

That's fucking stupid, might as well put Romulus as the leader of Rome.

>>1761618
Nezahualcoyotl would be a better pic over Moctezuma for the Aztecs.

I would like to have a generic "Italian" civ, as Rome is blatantly supposed to depict the Roman Empire and not Italy post-Fall of Ravenna (as it should be, by the way), despite many people's claims. I would like to have either Lawrence the Magnificent or Alessandro Sforza as leader.

Anyways, as for the existing civilizations:

>India.
>Asoka.

>Egypt.
>Pepi II or Ramnses II.

>France
>Francis I or Lous XIV

>Greece.
>Epaminondas/Pericles.

>Inca
>Manco Capac.

>Arabia
>Fatimah

>>1761814
That's what dlc is for
happymerchant.jpg

>>1762049
They'll waste the DLC on Zulus and Huns. Just you watch.

>America
John Smith
>Arabia
Mohammed
>Aztecs
Cortes
>Brazil
Pope Alexander VI
>China
Laozi
>Egypt
Arius
>England
Henry VIII
>France
John Calvin
>Germany
Martin Luther
>Greece
Homer
>India
Siddharta Guatama
>Japan
Emperor Jimmu
>Kongo
Pope Julius II
>Poland
Miesko I
>Rome
Jesus Christ
>Russia
Saint Cyril

>>1761618
Why does Greece have two civs?

>>1761618
Pericles is confirmed for Civ VI.

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>>1761618
>Arabia
>Saladin

The should have picked Olaf the Saint, not Hardrada

>>1761618
>Arabia
Nasser

>France
Napoleon

>England
William I

>Germany
Frederick the Great

>Poland
Jozef Pilsudski

>Russia
Ivan IV

>India
Shah Jahan

>Japan
Meiji

>>1764150
>Nasser
Literally who?

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>>1764163
I must unite the Arabian peoples under one flag.

>Isabella is still in this game

Is she the only one to appear in every major title?

USA - Eisenhower
Aztecs - Hernan Cortes
France - Francis I
Germany - Wilhelm I
Greece - Basil II
Greece - Justinian
India - Warren Hastings
Norway - Vidkun Quisling
Poland - John III Sobieski
Rome - Claudius
Spain - Charles V
Spain - King St. Ferdinand III

>>1764168

>I hate dunecoons who disagree with me but I hate other countries even more

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>>1761618
>China

ZHU

YUAN

ZHANG

THE GREAT HONGWU EMEPEROR

The two absolutely retarded ones are France and Egypt.

Literally almost anyone else would be better. But I guess Napoleon for France (or De Gaulle, or Richelieu, or Philip Augustus, or Saint Louis, or Louis XIV, or Charlemagne, or Clovis, or Philip the Fair, or Odo, or Louis XI, or Francis I, or Henry IV, or Vercingetorix, or Robespierre...), and Hatshepsut for Egypt since they clearly want to have as many female leaders as possible.

The next game should have 2 leaders for each civ, one male, one female.

>America
George Washington
Abigail Adams (or possibly Pocahontas?)
>Arabia
Saladin
Lubna of Córdoba
>Assyria
Sargon II
Shammuramat
>Aztecs
Montezuma
Tzihuacxochitzin I
>Babylon
Nebuchadnezzar II
Semiramis
>Carthage
Hannibal Barca
Dido
>Celts
Brennus
Boudica
>China
Qin Shi Huang
Wu Zetian
>Egypt
Ramesses II
Hatsheput
>England
Richard III
Elizabeth I
>Ethiopia
Menelik II
Queen of Sheba
>France
Henry IV
Joan d'Arc
>Germany
Otto von Bismarck
Elisabeth Selbert
>Greece
Alexander the Great
Helen of Troy
>Holy Rome
Charlemagne
Constance
>Inca
Atahualpa
Angelina Yupanqui
>India
Emperor Ashoka
Razia Sultana
>Japan
Oda Nobunaga
Himiko
>Judah
David
Hadassah (Esther)
>Mali
Mansa Musa
Sassouma Bereté
>Maya
Pakal I
Lady Eveningstar
>Mongolia
Genghis Khan
Sorghaghtani Beki
>Netherlands
William I
Wilhelmina
>Ottomans
Osman I
Nurbanu Sultan
>Persia
Xerxes I
Boran
>Portugal
Afonso I
Maria I
>Rome
Augustus Caesar
Livia
>Russia
Ivan the Terrible
Anna
>Spain
Carlos I
Queen Isabella
>Sumeria
Gilgamesh
Puabi
>Zulu
Shaka
Nandi

>>1764347
Muh Equality.

>>1764382
It's just so that you get to choose between 2 and not get stuck with 1, and so that "girls" who play won't feel they have to boycott.

Also in Civ 2, you can choose to be Male or Female.

where the fuck is Turkey

Why is nobody choosing Philip Augustus
>>1763470
it look a tiny (really tiny) too religious

>>1764347
>Helen of Troy

>>1764408
Not as important historically as Scythia or Congo

>>1761618
the civ choices are pretty shit themselves, desu

fucking norway but no netherlands? india the modern country instead of one of the ancient indian kingdoms? where the fuck are the khmer and the greatest prehistorical boatsmen alive, the ancient malayan peoples, who span the area from taiwan to fucking madagascar? "kongo"?

civ games are shit anyway

also where are the mongols. they decided to leave out one of the longest recorded ages, the age of cavalry. wtf

>>1764382
>muh "muh"
It's what they did in Civ II, widely regarded as the classic of the series.

>>1764347
>no Byzantium
Basil II
Irene

>>1764392
>implying girls like history
>implying every female faculty member in the history department isn't some "intersectional" cunt

>Egypt is Cleopatra and not Nefertiti

bummed

>>1764536

You ain´t very smart, ain´t you?

>>1764539
feminist "science" https://twitter.com/realpeerreview

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Africa

>>1764542

Confirmed.

>>1764561
just in the last week
>historian claims anthropologists are sexist because they can identify sex by the skeleton, when sex is clearly a social construct with no bilogical basis
>2 history papers generated by computers find their way into peer review journals
>woman can't figure out why men outperform women in mixed group sporting events
wew

lets not forget
>imperialism in an accounting of colonial childbirth
or my favorite
>feminist glaciology

>>1764572
>i can't understand arguments

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>>1761618
I don't get why they keep insisting that brazil is a "Civilization", first BNW then BE and now VI as well
>muh size

might as well just add mexico

>>1764618
implying those are arguments

>>1764523
Yeah, I forgot them AND Vikings.

>>1764644

>Femnazi journals exist
>Therefore no legitimate female historians/scientists exist

You're retarded, therefore I guess this entire board is.

>>1761618
>Phillip II
He failed at everything

>>1761618
why the fuck isn't Cleopatra black

>>1763470
Replace John Smith with James Buchanan and that is the worst list I've ever seen.

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>England
Henry VIII
>France
Charles Martel
>Germany
Otto the Great
>Rome
Marcus Aurelius
>Russia
Ivan the Terrible
>United States
Donald Trump

What I don't understand is why England is not "Britain". The leader and the civ bonuses are all Empire related, why not just go the full mile?

I genuinely want to see Hitler for Germany. And Lenin or Stalin for the motherland. But they'll never do it, even though the current leaders aren't exactly "angels"...

Also, where's Vietnam at? I want Ho Chi Minh with combat bonuses in jungles

>>1767167
They aim more for classical leaders/civs rather than modern/contemporary ones. That's for player-made mods/scenarios.

>>1763470
>luther
>pope
>arius
make me giggle, 10/10

>>1764347
>not Eleanor Roosevelt for America
>not Maria Theresa for
>H
>R
>E
>not la Malinche for Aztecs
>not Indira Gandhi for India
>not Catherine for Russia
>not Mehmed or Suleiman for Ottomans

>>1761618
indira gandhi/nehru for india
more relevant and influential than a guy who was killed 1 year after independence

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>France
Napoleon
>Japan
Himiko Tennu
>Mongolia
Subutai or Ögedei Khagan
>China
Kublai Khan
>Persia
Timur or Tughril
>Arabia
Abdullah bin Rashid
>America
Obama
>Rome
Mehmed II
>Greece
Suleiman the Magnificent
>Germany
Merkel
>Brazil/Portugal
Alberto Barbossa
>England
Sadiq Khan
>India
Babur Khan
>Russia
Lenin
>Poland
Berke Khan
>Spain
Abd al-Rahman I
>Aztecs
who gives a fuck
>Egypt
Shajar ad-Durr
>Sumeria, Assyria, Babylon, etc
Saddam Hussein

Also
>female
>"rulers"
>mfw

>>1767927
>Female "Rulers"
>His country wasn't unified by a spanish qt that sponsored the discovery of America and expelled the muslims from her territories.

Anyone saying Phillip II is not the best choice for Spain doesn't know history at all.

>>1761625
>Saladin muh muslim muh not good muh
Fuck off

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>>1767927
>Turkey
Abdullah Öcalan

England should have a fucking English leader for one or be renamed Britain

>>1767167
stalin and mao were civ4 leaders dude
though hitler would never happen yeah, and neither would a graphically depicted mohammed

>>1764624
>might as well just add mexico

Or USA

>>1768478

I'm half Spanish, and I had been hoping for Phillip II since they announced a new game. He honestly is the best choice, and Ferdinand/Isabella would be second.

People saying King Carlos I / HRE Charles V are only saying it bc he was Holy Roman Emperor.

>>1764624

They already do have Mexico, only they call it "Aztecs."

Brazil is has been an important political and economic force in South America for a long time. I see nothing wrong with having a more modern option for South and Central America (rather than the usual Aztecs and Mayans and Incans).

>>1761618

Honestly, the female choices they make just highlight the insignificance of great women in nations' histories. There are a few exceptions, perhaps, but mostly they pick wives of powerful men, borderline mythological figures, women briefly famous for their influence, or royal figureheads whose nations were run by governmental bodies and advisors. They're just desperate to add ANY woman of any historical significance, and it shows.

By Civ IX, Lola Montez will be Germany's leader.

This is so fucking cucked holy shit.

Fucking literally who women and niggers included for muh diversity.

Like who the fuck is Tomyris, who the fuck even are scythians?

Why do we have poo in loos like Gandhi?

Why do we have sandnigger mudshits like Saladin, who was a genocidal fucking maniac??

>>1769274
real top leader list incoming
USA: FDR, Andrew Jackson
Arabia: Abd-Al Malik
Aztecs: remove them, they've been in every civ game with unique civs and literally always have only monty
Brazil: Pedro's fine
China: Taizu of Song, Zhang Xianzhong
Egypt: Nothing wrong with Cleopatra, more fitting than fucking Gorgo anyway
England: Alfred the Great, Cromwell
France: Charlemagne, Louis IX, Napoleon
Germany: Karl the Great (same traits as his French counterpart), the Great Elector, Barbarossa
Greece: Agamemnon (more historical than Gilgamesh anyway, you can thank the Hittites for that), Philip of Macedon, Pyrrhus
India: Chandragupta, Gandhi's never getting removed because memes
Japan: Meiji, Tokimune's fine
Kongo: uh sure
Norway: Hardrada's a good choice
Poland: John III Sobieski
Rome: Trajan, Hadrian
Russia: Ivan the Terrible
Scythians: delete this holy fuck
Spain: ok as is
Sumeria: ye ok

new civs:
Hittites: Suppiluliuma
Georgia: Tamar (there's your female ruler quota)
Bohemia: Charles IV

meme pick:
Chile: Pinochet

>>1769385
should've quoted the OP w/e

>>1761857
>tfw Kauravas and Pandavas as civs never

>>1769385

Cleopatra is the most overrated figure in history. She mingled with Romans diplomatically a bit but ultimately did nothing for Egypt which was quickly folded into the empire. Egypt has an incredibly long and varied history with numerous leaders to draw from.

But no, Cleopatra remains history gaming's go-to girl. Even referenced in games like TW: Medieval 2 where it makes NO FUCKING SENSE.

>>1767163
Americans literally can't understand the Union.

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>>1763470
>Homer

I'd change Brazil's Pedro II into Vargas.

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>Trajan
>Jadwiga
>Gorgo
>Gandhi
>Kongo
>Cleopatra
>Aztecs
>Norway

>>1761872
Enrico Dandolo, Justinian, Charlemagne, Bismarck and Asoka were in previous Civ games.

>>1769480
Fuck you.

>>1769364
>who the fuck even are scythians?
/his/

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>>1768478
They made him smug as fuck.

>>1769503
>Trajan
>Jadwiga
Actually important historical figures? Unless you're denying that the PLC was a major feature in Eastern European history?

>Gandhi
>Cleopatra
Characters with traditional appearance in Civ games who are kinda stuck as defaults for their civs?

>Gorgo
Kinda gotta agree, if only because there shouldn't be only one Greece but rather the city-states separate.

>Kongo
I guess they got bored of the Mali/Mansa Musa combination? Maybe they could have gone with Benin?

>Aztecs
>Norway
Literally nothing wrong with including them?

>>1769536
>Trajan
>Jadwiga
Not the best choice for their countries.
>Gandhi
>Cleopatra
Worst possible choices for their countries
>Aztecs
>Norway
Irrelevant af, Hispania and Denmark would be so much better.

>>1769536
Gorgo is the most obvious pandering, especially since they didn't include other important civs like Persia. Tomyris is also only in the game for being a woman.

>>1761618
Rome
Aurelian

I don't think he's been in a video game

>>1762012
Renaissance Italian civ could be cool, maybe it could be city-state based like Venice in Civ V. Maybe led by Lorenzo De Medici

>>1769443
I dkn't think anyone rates Cleopatra highly. She's well known. That's why you keep seeing her in everywhere.

>>1764572
>historian claims anthropologists are sexist because they can identify sex by the skeleton, when sex is clearly a social construct with no bilogical basis

GENDER
THE WORD
IS GENDER

>>1769740
>implying there is a difference
Kill yourself

>>1769543
Definitely pandering. Why not just have based Leonidas if you want to do Sparta? His animations would have the potential to be GOAT

>>1769743
To feminists, yes.

You were talking about feminists.

>>1764347
Did Zuly actually do anything to deserve any sort of elevated status compared to African states?
As I get it the only thing they did was forcing the Brits into maximum damage control after losing against a bunch of literal spear chuckers.

>>1761618
Two Greece? Athens and Sparta? Fuggin mint

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>>1761618
>America
>ok
>Arabia
>having shitskins on your list
>Aztecs
>Having savages on your list
>Brazil
>not sure if white
>China
>I don't speak Xing Ling Yao
>Egypt
>Female '''''''''leaders''''''''''
>England
>again
>France
>AGAIN
>Germany
>cool
Greece1
>no
Greece2
>yes
>India
>Having street-shitters in your list
>Japan
>Cool
>Kongo
>We wuz Kongoz?
>Norway
>HAVING SAVAGES IN YOUR LIST
>Poland
>NO GOD DAMN IT
>Rome
>TRIGGERED
>Russia
>cool
>Scythians
>cool
>Spain1
>PUTA MADRE
>Spain2
>cool
>Sumeria
>Cool
>Civet
>Cool

>>1769773
>As I get it the only thing they did was forcing the Brits into maximum damage control after losing against a bunch of literal spear chuckers.

This is pretty much why they had been added. They wanted to have another African civ, but they figured that featuring more relevant kingdoms like Ethiopia, Mali or Zanzibar would have caused more tilted heads than it was worth.

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>>1769364

>who the fuck even are scythians?

Why are you on this board?

>>1769801
Egypt had Hatshepsut tho

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>>1769869

Hat she put where?

>>1769801
Autismo maxim0

Woah, for a second I thought I was on /v/ due to amount of stupidity in this thread.

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>>1769890
t. Alberto Barbosa

>>1769739

That was my point. She's famous because of her legendary romances with important men and little else.

Maybe Civ XV will have Kim Kardashian running the US.

>>1770066

Well, the US already had an actor as president, and may elect a guy from a Reality Show too, so why not?

>>1769536

The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was a major feature of European history. And Wladyslaw-Jagiello is a far better choice for the role, as are other Polish and Lithuanian leaders.

This is how the Civilizations breakdown should be. Argue with this and you're wrong.

>France - Catherine de Medici
They got this one dead right, by far France's most significant monarch.

>Britain - Anne Boleyn
Our understanding of her impact on British history continues to grow to this day.

>Germany - Eva Braun
Can't have Hitler himself, so this is the next best thing.

>Rome - Catherine de Medici
She was born in Italy, so it makes sense.

>Russia - Anastasia Romanova
Yeah, come crying to me when Peter the Great gets an animated movie.

>China - Mulan
See above.

>Canada - Cobie Smulders
This satisfies that hard-to-fill North American quota.

>Viet Nam - Jane Fonda
Heavy bonuses to anti-air.

>South Sudan - Catherine de Medici
I may not know much about recent African history, but you have to admit this just makes sense.

That should be plenty for the initial release, enough to tide people over for the Cleopatra expansion anyway.

>>1764163
Menes, united lower and upper Egypt

>>1764163
>>1770212
whoops no sorry got narmer confued. Im new to this historia stuff mane

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>>1770177
> he didn't know about Peter 2D Adventures

>>1761641
>when previously all they had was Alexander.
Pericles was in 4 along with Alexander.

>>1769441
>fictional factions
no.

>>1764181
>Is she the only one to appear in every major title?

Shaka, Elizabeth, Gandhi, Montezuma, Alexander, and Genghis Khan have been in every game.

Isabella wasn't in Civ 1.

>>1772160
Should also mention that only Gandhi and Monty have been confirmed for civ 6, but I'm sure Genghis, Elizabeth, Shaka, and Alexander will all be dlc at some point.

>>1764347
They did this in Civ 2. It led to a lot of dumb stuff like some civilizations using inappropriate leaders (Sacajawea for the Sioux, when she had no relation to the Sioux at all), semi mythical and literally mythical figures (The Goddess Ishtar for Babylon) and characters the dev team literally made up themselves (Shakala for Zulu)

>>1767167
Stalin has been in several games.

>>1769385
>>1769443
Cleopatra is doubly retarded since Egypt actually had a great female ruler in Hatshepsut, so the token female justification for Cleopatra doesn't even work.

>>1762012
>Pepi II
Good god why? While I do find the idea of a monarch living so unreasonably long that he outlives all his children amusing he was worthless and decrepit for so long that it completely eroded the power of the king in favor of regional potentates. The rise of powerful governors combined with a very confused succession led to extremely bitter civil wars after his death which ushered in and a dark age that lasted over a century.

Why do you think he should be chosen?

>>1764243
Or Brennus, or Charles Martel, or William the Conqueror (Norman, but still). Of all the fuckups in Civilization leaders, I think putting Catherine de' Medici is probably the worst.

>>1768478
agreed, was very happy with that choice although I think Charles III would have been a good one as well

>>1761814
those are saved for DLCs goy

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>>1764559

Europe
>Norway-Hardradra
>Sweden-Gustavus or Carolus
>Russia-Ivan the terrible
>Germany-Barbarosa
>England-Elizabeth
>France-Louis XIV
>Celts-Boadicea or Brennus
>Kievanrus-Olga
>dutch-William
>Spain-Isabella
>Portugal-Henry the navigator
>Rome-Agustus
>Athens-Pericles
>Spartans-Leonidas or Gorgio
>Khazaria-Bulan
>Byzantium-Justian
>Magyars-Arpad
>Poland-casimir
>Lithunia-Gediminas

Middle east
>Arabs-Abu Bakr
>Babylon-Hamurabi
>Assyria-Ashurnibapal
>Sumer-Gilgamesh or Sargon
>Israel-David
>Persia-Xerxes
>Turks/Ottoman-Mehmed

Africa
>Egypt-Ceops
>Carthage-Dido
>Berbers-Dhya
>Mali-Mansa Musa
>Ethiopia-Zara Yacob
>Zulu-Shaka
>Congo-Nzinga(muh ebony booty)
Asia
>Mongolia-Genghis Khan
>China-Qin Shi Huang
>Japan-Tocugawa
>Korea-Sejong or Myeongseong
>Tibet-Songtsän Gampo
>Schytia-Tomyris
>India-Asuka
>Khmer-Surujavaman II
>Vietnam-Ho chi minh
>Siam-Ramkamaheng
>Indonesia-Gajah Mada
Americas
>USA-Theodore
>Iroquios-Hiawatha
>Chereokee-Oconosota
>Missisipians-???
>Sioux-Sitting Bull
>Aztecs-Montezuma
>Maya-Pacal
>Colombia-Bolivar
>Brazil-Pedro
>Argentina-Eva Peron(not a real leader but civ leaders are more like a personification of the civ they represent anyways)
>Mapuche-???
>Inca-Huyon Capac
>Tupi-Cunhamabebe
Pacific
>Hawaii-Kamehameha
>Maori-???

>>1772311
>Argentina-Eva Peron(not a real leader but civ leaders are more like a personification of the civ they represent anyways)
Why Eva Peron exactly?

>>1772313
I like to have eye-candy in my games and there aren't that many famous Argentinian leaders

>>1761618
>>1763470

Buddha and Gandhi were pacifist treehuggers, who hardly were fit to lead an country. Chandragupta Maurya, in my opinion, was probably be the best ruler India has ever seen, since he managed to unite most Indian states and drive away the Greeks.

>>1772311
>ivan
Why wouldnt you chose peter the great? Yknow, the one who actually GOT to the baltic sea?

>>1772611
Ivan haven't been in the game earlier and i think he could make an interesting personality.
Also the first tsar of Russia

>>1761618
>England is still a civilisation
>They'll even use British rulers
Why is Firaxis so opposed to using Britain?

>>1772755
because celts

>>1761618
>Harald Hardrada
>not Haakon IV
>not Sverre Sigurdsson
>not Magnus VI
Hardrada's okay, but I was hoping for a medieval Norwegian king.

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>>1772809
>Viking themed civ
>Not having a viking leader

>>1772814
Norwegian middle ages (post-civil war era) > Viking era
This is a fact.

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>>1772854
The only reason Norway is in the game to begin with is because they wanted a viking civ nd didn't want to reuse Denmark.
Let's face it Norway was only relevant in the Viking era/early middle ages

>>1763470
>>England
>Henry VIII
can lob off your wife's head for bonus production

>>1772814
Is.. Is that Xev Bellringer?

>>1761857
>Persia bother me too, since Achaemenid, Sassanid and Islamic Persia were so hugely different, but at least they were the same people.

It's okay because, like you said, they're the same people. The real problem with Persia is that in civ they're always exclusively Achaemenid Persia. I understand getting an achaemenid leader for popularity reasons, but they could get them some Sasanian or Safavid units and buildings.

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>>1764347
>Boran

My nigga.

I also kind of agree with having two leaders, one female and one male, but that must go by hand with only having actual civilizations that are also well documented. Otherwise it will happen like in Civ 2 where civs that were too ancient or not a civilization at all got ridiculous female leaders.

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>>1768478
This.

>>1769536
Cleopatra hasn't been in civ since civ3 anon, how is this default? Specially compared with Gandhi?

>>1772814
>Hardrada
>Viking era
He was pretty much the last Viking, and a failure.
Not a good choice.

>>1769364
>who the fuck even are scythians?
>Why do we have poo in loos like Gandhi?
>Civ games should only have Europeans

>>>/pol/

>>1761618
>It's Gandhi again
>We will never see Maratha or Mughals in a Civ game because of Gandhi meme

>>1761618
Gonna ignore the hard mode because Civilization actually got some nice choices in the past.

>America
Washington was literally perfect

>Arabia
Nasser. If they want a more ancient one, Harun al-Rashid was a solid choice in civ5. But Nasser is the indubitable best choice as the most important pan-arabist leader.

>Aztecs
Montezuma is okay. Make sure it clearly says Montezuma I or Montezuma the Great so he's not mistaken for his kinda retarded later namesake.

>Brazil
Shouldn't even be in the game but, since it is, Pedro is the best choice.

>China
Qin Shi Huang is ok but Hongwu of Ming would've been the best.

>Egypt
Rameses or Hatshepsut would've been way better choices.

>England
Victoria is a solid choice, I prefer her over Elizabeth.

>France
Napoleon is the perfect choice but overused. For variety's sake, Louis XIV or Philippe Auguste would've been good choices. Having Catherine of Medici is a fucking disgrace. If you want a powerful french women you have Eleanor of Aquitaine.

>Germany
I suppose Barbarossa is okay for "Germany".

>Greece
Pericles is perfect.

>India
Chandragupta or Ashoka would seriously be way better if you're gonna have only a single indian civ. Even Nehru would be better than Gandhi.

>Japan
To be honest there's no reason to not have Tokugawa Ieyasu or the emperor Meiji again. You can't even argue variety since Japan already had a lot.

>Kongo
Shouldn't even be on the game, there's plenty of better african choices. You don't even need to repeat Mali/Songhai. Have Benin or Ashanti who were actually succesful kingdoms who were not dinamitated by european contact until the scramble.

>Norway
Shouldn't even be on the game since it's included for viking memes. Sweden with Gustaf Adolf should be more than enough to represent Scandinavia. But, if we accept the viking meme, Norway and Hardrada are perfect.

>Poland
No reason to not have Casimir again.

To be continued.

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>>1774034
>Le viking maymay amirite XD
kys

>>1774034
>Rome
I got nothing against Trajan but I don't like the choice. Julius Caesar or Augustus were the obviously better choices. If you're gonna have another one for the sake of variety, do variety well and get outside the Principate: get Diocletian or Scipio Africanus.

>Russia
I like Peter but the perfect choice would've been Ivan the Terrible and I don't get why he has not been in Civ yet considering how famous he is.

>Scythians
Shouldn't have been on the main game. If you have them, don't make them ruled by an anecdotical queen who ruled a relatively unimportant tribe and whose only acomplishment was killing a way more important historical figure. Can't the Kushans be considered scythian, if the massagetae are? Kanishka the Great would be very interesting choice and he ruled over an actual civilization and empire.

>Spain
Nothing against Isabella but Philip II is a much better choice, both for variety's sake and because unlike Isabella he actually ruled Spain. If we returned to civ2 and civs with a female and a male ruler, it would be great to have Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille.

>Sumeria
Isn't Gilgamesh even proven to have ever existed? Get Babylon with Hammurabi or Akkad with Sargon for the Mesopotamian civ.

>>1774056
Nice argument, faggot.

>>1774074
first give an argument on why vikings shouldn't be in the game

>>1761618
Can Gilgamesh's existence actually be verified? Also, Gandhi didn't even lead India. Nehru was the prime minister.

Picking Trajan was a based decision to make, so its a hard to be too angry at all of their fuck ups.

>>1774097
It's like having a "buccaneer" or "barbary corsair" civilisation. It's pointless.

>>1774157
akthually vikings/ancient scandinavians were farmers and fishermen who sometimes went out raiding. Hardly Rome-tier.

t. viking

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>>1774108
>Viking where le pirates meme
When will this retarded meme die?

>>1774097
They're not a civilization or empire and they're not the most remarkable element of the civilization/s and empires they belong to. Only the most famous in international media.

Not even said vikings shouldn't be on the game, by the way. They could be an unique unit of any scandinavian nation they decide to include, without stealing the whole show. A viking-centric civilization is absurd and equivalent to making the USA a cowboy-centric civ.

>>1774164
>Hardly Rome-tier
never claimed they where. But if rome was the standard for civs in that game series you would have to remove most civs.
Vikings discovered north america, founded russia, Conquered England etc

>>1774174
>founded russia
founded the foundation of what would become russia

>>1774166
You're right, pirates at least had to fight off treasure ships that could defend themselves somewhat.

Vikings are nothing but coward snownigger looters who targeted defenseless farms, old monks in monasteries and ran when any army or militia showed up.

>>1774172
>They're not a civilization or empire and they're not the most remarkable element of the civilization/s and empires they belong to.
Whit the exception of sweden what have the other nordic countries acomplished historically that is more remarkable then their viking era acomplishments?
Denmark had the north sea empire and norway discovered america

I still think they should be edgy and go for Hitler as Germany's leader. I mean, he was a pretty major part of the history, regardless of how terrible he was.

I'm pretty happy with all of the leaders to be honest

>Napoleon is the perfect choice but overused. For variety's sake, Louis XIV or Philippe Auguste would've been good choices. Having Catherine of Medici is a fucking disgrace. If you want a powerful french women you have Eleanor of Aquitaine.
Napoleon has actually only been in 3/6 of the mainline civ games.
Catherine de Medici is a bit of a shame, but at least it isn't fucking Joan d'Arc, which they've actually done twice before.

>>1774034
>To be honest there's no reason to not have Tokugawa Ieyasu or the emperor Meiji again. You can't even argue variety since Japan already had a lot.

Tokugawa has been Japan's leader in every game except 5, and now 6.

I'd love Meiji though, no idea why we've never gotten him. I guess because his modernity clashes with the katana-wielding samurai image of Japan?

Can anyone tell me why they picked Pericles over Minos or Agamemnon? why even do Greece as one state? Just make it Athens or something, christ
>Germany
>Frederick
failure alert, replace Germany with Sicily, get Roger II in there
>Brazil
gotta get that SA revenue I guess
>>1764523
def Irene, but Basil, probably not. Heraclius is well above him on the list
>>1774073
Given that Civ had a religion DLC last game, Constantine would've been a great leader for Rome. As for Scythia, obviously the fat feminist chose this. Mongolia was robbed

>>1774187
The discovery of America by the norwegian """vikings""" was an unremarkable event, with no value beyong curiosity.

While obviously more remarkable, the north sea empire was brief and not the highest point of Danish history at all. Cnut the Great held a lot of land for a limited amount of time, but Denmark was way more powerful and influential during the Kalmar Union or during the early modern ages.

>>1774210
For some unexplainable reason I was sure that Meiji was the leader in civ 3. Maybe because you can play Tokugawa wearing a suit.

>>1774172
Except the civ isn't "Vikings", it's Norway, which happens to have viking units and aesthetics because guess what, vikings and the viking era were an important and recognizable part of Scandinavian history, especially in regards to Norway which hasn't accomplished much in the modern era in comparison to their early medieval fame. They'll likely do something like civ 5 and include Sweden (or maybe Finland this time) to represent the modern, not-viking Scandinavia.

Complaining about Norway having vikings is like complaining about Japan having samurai or England having longbows.

>>1774193
And not sell it in Germany? Modders can add Hitler, but Firaxis can't put him in, not until the law forbidding it is tweaked.

Also, I wonder what would be /his/ picks for a "reverse leader choice," in which the worst leader of a civilization is kicked and put as leaderhead in CIV. Could be interesting.

>>1774233
Finlnd haven't acomplished anything civ worthy in the modern era tought. Nothing out of merits in pre-modern era etither

>>1761618
>France
Medici is shit, Blanche of Castile is far more notable in France's history while simultaneously being more effective at her duty as wife and mother to future generation of rulers despite her husband's general incompetence and death.

>>1769176
Saladin is shitpost tier, at leas the Fatimids/Zirid were kinda cool. A Zirid tech-centric ruler for the Tunis culture would help give additional perspective to Muslim history, too, where all you really get is Arabia and the Ottomans. Not very friendly cultures historically, mind.

At least they didn't drop Shi Huangdi for some random nobody. Despite popular culture giving Chinese history a little attention, no one would really notice the huge flaws with certain Chinese rulers taking his place.

>>1774296
The Winter War is pretty famous.

Anyway, I mostly suggested Finland given that, in civ 5, Denmark and Sweden were essentially dual civs. Denmark represented both Denmark and Norway (as evidenced by a Norwegian UU and Norwegian city names), and Sweden represented both Sweden and Finland (once again, with a Finnish UU and Finnish city names).

Since it looks like they may be doing the reverse this time with Norway as a civ, we could see Finland as well.

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>>1764347
>Semiramis

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>>1767927
>>Poland
>Berke Khan
Doesn't make any sense, you swarthy cuck.
>>1761618
From fucking shitton of Polish rulers they picked one that didn't do anything at all.

What the fuck. Why not pick Miesko I, Boleslawus the Brave or even Sobieski, but a fucking woman?

>>1774332
that would be pretty stupid.

>>1774233
Is Victoria holding a longbow?

>>1774332
Except because Norway has an actual medieval history before being part of Denmark while Finland literally exists thanks to Sweden like those colonial nations in Africa that were only unified by their overlords.

>>1774186
>Vikings are nothing but coward snownigger looters who targeted defenseless farms, old monks in monasteries and ran when any army or militia showed up

nice meme

>>1774269
Rome: Basiliscus
USA: FDR
France: Robespierre
Germany: Willhelm II

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>>1761618
>Catherine de Medici

>>1774405
Even if we're only counting written history, Finland still has a longer history than countries that have been in Civ like the US, Brazil, Zulu, Polynesia, nearly all the Native American civs, etc

>>1763470
>>Aztecs
>Cortes

triggered

>>1764181
>Aztecs - Hernan Cortes

is this a meme now

>>1774405
>Except because Norway has an actual medieval history before being part of Denmark
Finland has pre-second crusade history as well. Just because you are massively ignorant about the subject doesn't mean you are correct.

>>1761618
Jadwiga became batshit after polish nobles broke her betrothal with habsurg and she wanted to murder them with axe pretty good choice guys
Władyslaw Jagiello would be ten times better to represent Poland and Lithuania