What happened in that box called maritime for the past 800 years

>rice farming
>Hinduism
>warring sea empires
>gold decorations everywhere

>>1748269
Aren't the Indonesians muslims?

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>>1748258
Indonesia and Borneo had a bunch of Hindu and then Muslim Empires. Well, Indonesia has had two Hindu ones, then it broke up into tiny Muslim states. 1200s is the century of Major Islamic conversions.

Then the next big Maritime power was the Bruneian Empire (yes, that tiny Microstate today), which ran a sultanate that occupied the whole of Borneo and some subjects in the Philippines.

The Philippines was largely Greek City States/Vikings/Celtic Barbarians in that no single power ever held rule over there. The land was divided into local hegemons of tribal kingdoms of either pagan or muslim faith, in addition to semi-nomads, Chinese/Japanese pirates hanging in between them. Which is why it was first colonized as Spics basically set up shop in empty land and dabbled in local hegemonic/penis measuring contests with the local power brokers.

>>1748295
What ships did they use and how did they fight?

>>1748290
Now they are

>>1748258
1. They were Hindu Buddhist Kingomds
2. They are all related as Malay ethno cultural group
3. From 1500 on words they got Arabized and Spanishnized
4.Bali is the only place in the entire region that retains ancient culture, traditions, and beliefs. They even have a non-Latin alphabet :)

I'm pretty ignorant of the region myself, but I can say that you should check out wayang puppets. Indonesia has a proud traditional of kind of creepy shadow puppetry.

>>1748290
It's a relatively recent thing, historically speaking.

Read the first part of Beyond Belief by Naipaul if you're interested on islam in Indonesia (it's not an history book tho).

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>>1748311
the srivijayans most likely used pic related. they dominated trade around the strait of mallaca and even had colonies as far as vietnam and madagascar

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>>1748311
Thats like asking what kind of boats Eurobenises had. Of course there's shitloads of types.

The largest ship types probably can be found in the Borobodur reliefs in Indonesia, which shows cunts getting around in two masted galleys. But the traditional boats of most Maritime SEAsians are longboats with/without stilts, often with a single masted sail,

Pic related, an Iranun war party. Iranuns were a bunch of seafaring nomad-pirate race that ranged from Indonesia to Southern Philippines.

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>>1748258
indon here

>srivijayan empire
>majapahit empire
>bunch of javanese kingdom
>bunch of eastern spice island kingdom
>pirates
>bunch of muslim kingdom later on

which one do you want to know op

>>1748335
That one looks pretty badass.

>>1748350
How did say Indonesia look when the Dutch encountered it compared to how it looked when those empires were around?

>>1748358
Why didn't they get that strip along the coast on what I believe is Sumatra?

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>>1748371
mountains senpai

>>1748295
west indonesia was split between buddhist vs hindu rivalry, like indochina was

brunei is not even big by any standard, they're just mid tier at best compared to other empires in java and sumatra

>>1748366
for one thing was that the major ports and sumatran/javanese were all muslims by that point with some exception and that we really didnt know much about how life goes during the srivijaya/majapahit era as they mostly built with woods with stone reserved for building temples and monument

>>1748366
east indonesia was improved and christianised since they're mostly tribals
west indonesia got rekt and most cities and kingdoms are destroyed / converted to european colony

>>1748322
bali is literal meme, not even relevant outside their island

>>1748322
>They even have a non-Latin alphabet

almost every other island had those

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indonesian_scripts

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>>1748350
Why havent you Indons killed these things yet?

>>1748358
Do you happen to have it with dates or at least something similar?

>>1748384
Since most SEAsian "Empires" are pretty much hegemonic thalassocracies, i consider Brunei big since not only did they have Borneo, their tendrils extended to the philippines via hegemonic power.

Manila after all was founded because Brunei was butthurt about Tondo, a state that was leeching off Chinese trade off of Bruneian hegemonies in the Luzon island.

>>1748414
Wasn't manila founded by Spain?

>>1748408
the srivijayans starts from 500 to 1377

http://www.gimonca.com/sejarah/sejarah01.shtml

>>1748432
nope

>>1748397
Yeah we kinda do everything to get our hands on nasi goreng.

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>>1748407
>And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling westerners

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>>1748432
Manila was a thing. Spics just built a western city on top of it.

Basically it was a vassal puppet state of Brunei until Brunei declined, and they hoofed it on their own as an independent Kingdom and a rather powerful local hegemon. It was quite powerful that Spain's initial attacks on it failed. Only in 1570s - this time, with Christianized native subjects and allies- did Spain managed to subjugate Manila.

>>1748414
brunei is not even relevant prior to islamisation in 1500s, even after they don't even have large real cities like in other islands

they're maritime trader / pirate state tier at best, not as worst as tribals, but not as good as other former hindu/buddhist states

>>1748435
>Joyoboyo is remembered for a prophecy that Indonesia would be ruled by a white race for a long time, then a yellow race for a short time, then be independent. His reign was also a golden age of Old Javanese literature.

spooky

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>>1748462
Please don't call us Spics, thank you.

>>1748522
time for nap time instead of working, spic

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>>1748395
old photos could be really helpful to predict what the architecture looks like, since most remains still survive well after 19th century, and the architecture doesn't really change after islamisation

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>>1748328
My aunt is Javanese so our family has a bunch of these

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>>1748540
i would guess that the layout and plan of medieval cities in java and sumatra are pretty similar, and could be seen in cities like yogya, solo, palembang i.e. based around alun-alun style square

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>>1748572
the architecture would be less dutch influenced, of course. major cities are surrounded by walls, most are dismantled in 18-19th century

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>>1748701
ordinary dwellings would be mostly build out of wood and bamboo, with houses built on stilt typology, each ethnic have their own specific style

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>>1748572
though they become muslim, many retain and mix it with local animism, hindu-buddhist guardian statues are still commonly used in many houses and buildings until islamic reformism in 1920s

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>>1748522
We can.

From the 1500s-1700s most Spanish people in the Philippines were losers from the Americas who couldnt get land/position there, and so settled in what is essentially a dangerous, undesirable posting, since the Spaniards in the Philippines did not hold many advantages versus the natives and local powers like Japan or China.

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>>1748805
the architecture style is influenced by hindu-indians and later by china, since the place is where these two culture meet for spice trade

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>>1748853
mosques are built in style closer to hindu-buddhist temple than to ME style domed mosque, after islamic reformism and arabism, the practice is stopped and some of the mosque even converted to arabic style architecture

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>>1748948
I post old pictures because basically, almost none of these structures are left or not in ruin, indonesia really suck at preserving history aside from the touristbucks classical hindu-buddhist temples

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>>1748976
some buillding have completely dissapear only record of it are left

>>1748948
>islamic reformism

Sounds more like arabic culture cucking then a theological reform.

Is there some backlash against this now or did you never went through a phase of national romanticism?

>>1748407
Those "things" are the foundation of Island Southeast Asian and Oceanian maritime culture.

Spice Islands is the basis of it all.

MALUKU PRIDE WORLDWIDE

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>>1748995
there's some backlash but people never knew value to lean back to, since indonesia is multicultural, historical romanticism would basically mean balkanisation, so its taboo even

never went through, we did have nationalistic phase in the 50s but even that is civic and communistic in nature, think mao style nationalism but less harsher

i think thailand has that phase, and is the best at preserving culture in SEA

>>1748995
It is more Arabization than Islamization. Why would they need Islamization if they're already a Muslim.

Nowadays, Nusantara culture (Malaysia/Indonesia/Brunei/Singapore/Southern Pinoy) is in declining because there is a rise of Islamic fundamentalist teaching during the 80's and it persists to today. Basically following the Arabic model and thought anything culturally tied to their land is haram. So their culture is slowly losing significance because they claim that it's syirik or something.

As of now, no. Nobody has the guts to revive something they consider national pride. Indonesia did and to be fair, it persists. It's still common to do old Hindu/Buddhist symbolism there. But fundamentalism persist and they want every Muslims to follow Arabic culture, which is a bad thing because Arabic culture is shit.

>>1748328
Bali is one of the few places where they actually still use it

>>1748328
It's Christmas bastards like you that have been runining SE Asia for centuries. Thankfully they're usually tribalfags that no one cares about

>>1748976
how do they get destroyed? demolished for urbanization? or destroyed by moslems or dutch invaders?
or just fell apart?

>>1749785
what are you even saying? tribes have preserved the most culture. Balinese music is grand.

>>1749063
Kill yourself Abos and their cousins in Indonesia are wild animals.

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>>1750126
various reasons, some are destroyed by dutch and brits, some are replaced/renovated into western style building, few left but are badly neglected like >>1748701

most of buildings i posted are from 16-19th century, build by muslims, muslims here are (traditionally) more tolerant, they're not iconoclast, and don't view hindu/buddhism hostilely, early islamic preacher mix islam with local god worship for example

>>1748735
why on stilts?

>>1750783
Most traditional Indonesian house is on stilts, only javanese & balinese don't use stilt house.

The space under usually used for live stocks.

>>1748407
We keep them for the diversity cred and as a balancing force against the more Islamic western parts of the country. If not for them we'd be turning to a caliphate just like Malaysia right now.

t. Indon

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>>1750753
i think its reminiscent of early tribal jungle houses, when people began to build house, they do it in the middle of forrest, so they need to make it very high to protect from various animals and diseases

as people began to build cities, the stilt got lower like in >>1748735 and become more of an architectural vocabulary than a functional necessity, used thorough SEA

some speculated that the form was brought by prehistoric austroasian and austronesian settler from east asia, which explain its similarity with stilt architecture of japan and korea

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