who gets the blame for fundamentalist islam rising in the middle

>>1720614
It was me

>>1720614

Americans (especially those big right-wingers and staunch anti-Communists during the Cold War) and Saudis.

Hell, Reagan personally gave the go ahead for Pakistan to build its nukes. Democrats were furious when it came to light.

The real answer? Fractured states, overpopulation and shit economies. Thats why.

>>1720621
Prank?

>>1720614
Middle Eastern nationalist junior officers and absolutist monarchs and dictators destroying any and all political opposition and civil institutions but failing against Islamists and Islamist infiltration of the Salafist education movement, plus the foreign entities that supported them all.

>>1720614
Wahhabism and the Saudis

>>1720614
BEADY

It was Walpole

The Saud Family

The Eternal Anglo

Anglos and Saudis mostly, followed recently by America.

The handling of the middle east after the fall of the Ottoman empire was absolutely retarded.

Saudis financially support imperial islamists because they are repeat tourists and stack dinars for them.

>>1720614
The House of Saud, although is perfectly understandable why they do it, it's not like they're evil villains or anything.

They should just be deprived of power and influence by the west so they have no way to easily continue to export fundamentalism outside of Arabia. Not even armed conflict would be needed.

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Pepe

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>>1720688
>Miss me yet?

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>>1720697
The empire was already a husk of it's former self when you reigned, you fuck.

You have to go back to when you could have overpowered the Janissaries and forced them to modernize. Maybe around 1800.

>>1720695
>al-wahhab is the reformer whose message was listened to
>not al-afghani
The feels

>>1720711
There were lots of reformers, and no one was really listened to since Pan Arabism and socialism was all the rage back then. Wahhabism was only really meme'd into prominence in the past few decades, and only because the fascist babble of desperate Islamists made them primed for the anti-intellectual simplicity of the extremist message.

>>1720709
Overpowered the Janissaries?
With what?Do you think Ottoman Land Forces had a substitute for removing overpowering them?

The government had to establish a new corps in discreet in Anatolia just to destroy Janissaries. Empire started to crack in late 16th century.

>>1720711
Al-Afghani was no better, he even contemplating to assasinate egypt khedive at one time

>>1720726
It's just a shame that Wahhab was the one the Saudis decided to enter into agreement with

>>1720734
they probably deserved it though, ismail wrecked egypt.

>>1720734
Nothing wrong with uncucking egypt from the brits

>>1720728
Do what they did in 1826.

Execute them all.

Anglo perfidity. They instigated quarrels amongst their colonial subjects to preserve their empire for a decade or 2 longer.

>>1720754

/thread

/board

/history

>>1720639
>overpopulation
Not really beyond "no humans no problem lol".

>>1720812
he's right for the wrong reasons. it's not raw population but the ratio of chicks to dicks. Islam encourages harems so that means there will be a disaffected caste of sexless betas willing to take the opportunity to uprise in jihad.

>>1720621

ahh son of a bitch!

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>>1720614
>who gets the blame for fundamentalist islam rising in the middle east and africa?

>>1720878
THATS ALI
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1720614
English, French, and American business elite.

>>1720878
i mean if we were talking about fundamentalist christianity i could post a picture of jesus too

>>1720898
>i mean if we were talking about fundamentalist christianity

we arent you cuck. fuck off with your basic bitch liberal "well what about..." bullshit

Muslims in the Middle East and Africa.

Unless you believe Professor X was involved.

>>1720901
And in Ameeerika you are leenching negroes!

>>1720871
Polygamy is pretty rare though.

>>1720754 -------------------------> >>1720767

diamond pure truth

>>1720906
Sharia allows it mate. And relevantly so it excludes men from sex like musical chairs.

>>1720614
I blame America for invading Iraq and displacing everybody.

>>1720910
Only rich men can really afford to have more then 1 wife. It's rare though.

It's like caring about the number of non -normative relationships in the US or Canada. It's allowed but vast majority don't pursue it because of the issues it entails.

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>>1720933
there are simply not enough women to go around in undeveloped countries. Why do you think the surplus males are migrating north?

>>1720948
Lack of jobs, climate change rendering many farming jobs dead, war,pursuit of stability, wanting striking it rich, family need money and they are sent/ go abroad

Not that hard to understand

>>1720948
There's actually not that big an imbalance in the Middle East. Most of those stats are including foreign workers who are overwhelmingly male. There are actually slightly more girls than boys now among the youth population. It's just China that's got the big imbalance.

>>1720994
they're thinking with their dicks just like western males when they see unveiled women. They need honor killings to curb the female predation impulses they have for their own women, outgroup females earn no such defenses in Islam.

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>>1720621
>social experiment

>>1720994
>climate change rendering many farming jobs dead

Is there any actual evidence of this occurring in the Middle East?

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The West has consistently and stubbornly against all common sense backed the wrong sorts of people in the Middle East (House of Saud, jihadists, radical Islamists, Zionists, etc.) ever since the fall of the Ottoman Empire up till today and continues to do.

Seriously, what did you cucks expect would happen?

>>1721012
Water shortages are pretty prevalent over there. Syria had a huge one in 2006 for example.

Praise to Islam and Allah!! Let Western women of the world know that they are slaves to men of Islam.

>>1720728
Spahis slaughtered majority of Janissaries in 1826

>>1720614
The Secular Muslim leaders who failed to provide stability, unity, economic growth, and philosophy to challenge Islam with. Also, any country that contributed to this failure, ie Israel, United States, Soviet Union, United Kingdom, France ect...

People seem to be forgetting that the Middle East experimented with secular thought such as Ba'athism, but European powers propped zealotry with a lot of regimes and faux kingdoms (see: the entire history of Jordan, Saudis, Gulf states like Qatar, Bahrain, etc.)

Arabs tried secularism through Ba'athism but they had a different idea of secularism. It was more pan-Arab and anti-imperialist; and later famous Arab Ba'athists found that the only way to devolve the two was to bring Arabs closer to their roots, so they actually promoted Islam (see: Michel Aflaq on the "Arab Nation") i.e. Ba'athists believed the only way to unite all Arabs was through Islam because that's how they were united in the first place

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>>1721112
>Aflaq

>>1721015
>haha cucks XD

Except the west wants a destabilized middle east just like they got. Jihadis make a good distraction (just like Jews as I am sure you know) and the vast majority of the people they kill are just other Muslims.

>>1721112
Ba'athism collapsed on it's own thanks to the petty ambitions of those it handed absolute power.

>>1721165
To be honest the west wants a lot of parts if the world to be unstable.

Like imagine having to pay full price for the resources and items we need? Or having to compete with more nations?

>>1721377
>pay full price
Fug dat

The Mongols.
They put one of the brightest scientific and cultural movement of the era to the path of ruin it never quite recovered from.

>>1720878
That's Ali you dumb fuck, Shi'as are better than Sunnis

>>1720901
>>1720905
>Missing the point and jumping straight to memes
retards

>>1721424
The Islamic Golden Age was on the decline long before the Mongol Invasion.

To answer OP's question, it's probably the eternal Anglo what done it.
The Sykes-picot agreement and then the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>1721424
>The Mongols.
Meme history.

Maybe they are to blame.

>>1721512
Who?

>>1721519
Americans

>>1720614
Fundamentalist Islamists of course. Fundamental truth dictates that nobody in particular is more directly responsible for it than they are.
Leaders of Islam.

>>1720639
But those too.

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I should like to draw a line from the e in Acre to the last k in Kirkuk.

A complex series of historical events and consequences too difficult for most to comprehend so its easier to blame Islam.

>>1720614
>who gets the blame for fundamentalist islam rising in the middle east and africa?
fucking loads of people you dolt. You're talking about decades or even centuries of history.

>>1720614
Ottomans deserve the blame, they shouldn't've let their state fail. Now the biggest Islamic power is Saudi Arabia, aka a Western puppet state that got lucky with oil reserves.

>>1720948
free healthcare, free money & free housing

>>1720614
The hundreds of millions of people whose individual decisions lead to the state of how things are today.

>>1720614
The United States, The Eternal Anglo, and the Saudis

The united states and western europe and Israel. Remember goyim, brown people have no agency and are essentially mindless automata easily manipulated by those white people and their mind control rays.

>>1723147
>what is raw military power
>what is access to resources

Where there's an action, reaction will necessarily follow. Don't be mad that white people fucked up shit and now brown people are angry.

White retards went around the world, conquering everything they could for hundreds of years, only to blow themselves up in two world wars and say, "oops, we actually didn't mean to do those things we did." Well, unfortunately for the West, Middle Easterners don't buy it. And for that matter, neither do the Chinese, but that's another story.

>>1720614
Muhammad

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>>1720614

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Internal strife because of Islam. As well as international relations. Because of Islam.

Internal strife because eventually Islamic nations no longer could conquer which mean they're taxes didn't keep getting bigger like they had. They were already waning in the last days of the ottoman empire and the end of the Caliphate was the end of first world level progress

US involvement in Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran but I wouldn't say it's central. We took out some central authorities. Which were really what kept fundies in check. In addition to people being cultural Muslims and not everyone being scholars.

I don't mean to be degrading. But imagine society degrading to bronze age level society in New York city. Not to mention constant inbreeding, family instability and so on thrusting their collective IQ into the ground.

I really want them to do well, but they need to step it up. And at least if Trump wins we won't be sticking out dick in every country

>>1721387
So it's better to keep places unstable or fuck their economies directly/indirectly with organisation like the Imf or the WB.

Imagine having to compete with Africa and Asia? You don't want the global Centre to shift south and/or east.

>>1723619
Tragedy of the commons. I'm going to get my fair share of the benefits if other people are going to hoist their externalities on me anyways. The only thing that's going to stop me is unionized consumerism.

>>1723619
Hell if Congo got stable we'd be fucked because they pretty much own the hugest sources of Critical Metals and have everyone on the leash.

They have around double the supply of cobalt of the other 9 cobalt mining nations below it combined and mine 80% of the world's Coltan.

>>1721468
>>Missing the point

Im not missing the point. The guy was doing classic liberal apologist "well what about" bullshit on his pet brown peoples religion