What do you think of 'restoration' of historical structures

The one on the right looks really smug.

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>>1719421
NO

as little as possible, so unless it otherwise collapses, no

No, but I support building a reconstruction in another location.

I would really like to see someone trying to rebuild Periclean Athens and Rome of the second Punic war, on the undeveloped coast of Romania or the Ukraine or something. And then fill the cities with historical figures of that era doing ordinary things. Like going to the market or beating their wife. Plus Rhodes, Antioch and Alexandria.

>>1719463
wax figures or LARPers?

I don't see a problem with it as long as you're as faithful as possible to the original, and leave as much of whatever's left where it was

>>1719463
would you still support that if the only country willing to try was China?

Of course, unless you want literally every major historical building to fall apart

>>1719470
Lifelike statues that can withstand weather and wind.

>>1719488
China wouldn't be able to pull of a realistic reconstruction even if they put in the resource of 10 Beijing Olympics.

>>1719421
Yes, otherwise they'll eventually just disappear. It seems less romantic for us when it happens in the present but ancient societies also had leaders who would engage in restoration projects, and I'd argue most historians are grateful for those efforts.

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It happened all the time throughout history, I don't see why it shouldn't continue. For example, this is what Fondaco de Turchi in Venice looked like before being restored, I dare anyone to say it would have been more suggestive to keep this wreck in the middle of the city.
If you ask me, I'm all for the project to rebuild the lost Palmira landmarks using 3D-printed blocks.

Yes, but with contemporary multi-cultural input.

>>1719492
This.

forts have been restored for the entirety of their existence, just use the methods of the time they've been built

>>1719492
restoration is not the same as preservation. But to answer Op's question, no, it should not be allowed. What should be done is preservation, trying to keep it in the state it is in, and prevent it from degrading further. But this restoration is just plain bullshit, it is not the same structure anymore, you basically fucked it up, might as well demolish it completely and build it from the ground up

>>1719488
>China restores ancient Athens
>Everything made of that fake plastic gold
>Proportions are mismatched, every Tympan looking like a bloated balloon, every capital having half the detailing it should have.
>Lights everywhere.
>Nasal whiny songs blaring over loudspeakers.

It would be glorious.

>>1719423
just needs Apple ear-pods or whatever the fuck they call them, and a bottle of kombucha standing next to it.

>>1719432
whoever did that should be shot.

>>1719812
>restored with contemporary techniques that are decidedly historical now.

It's A E S T H E T I C but still a shame because its distracting from the untouched ruins. Those ancient pillars left as they were would be a reminder of how old the world is, civilization is, and what can go wrong. Perhaps living right around ancient ruins is too sobering?

>>1720033
Damn

The last sentence killed me, thanks for getting tea all over myself.

>>1720033
>>1720126
Let me remind you reality is worse than nightmares.

Arab countries do something near to this to Persian or Mesopotamian ruins all the time.

I like the idea of recreating them elsewhere. I do think, though, that seeing the great pyramids restored to their shining white brilliance would be really neat.

I like the idea of building something even greater than historical buildings

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>>1720142
Isn't Saddam one of the worst offenders of this?

Since he pretty much built a replica all over the old ruins of Babylon and with that would destroy anything left of them while burying old artifacts even further.
And half of the time the replica's would be worse than the original or not even finished.

Hell, he even built a palace in the style of Sumerian architecture over the ruins of the Palace of Nebuchadnezzar.

>>1719812
3D printed blocks are retarded. In 5 years, they would become ugly plastic ruins.
Way to honor the stone city that travelled through the millenia.

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Only it's needed to prevent further deterioration, or if it's something like anastylosis that's as 'authentic' as possible.

>>1719432
WHAT IS THIS FOUL FREAK OF NATURE?

WHAT HAS SCIENCE WROUGHT?

YES. Given that good care to detail is made using original material. Ive seen some shitty ass restoriations in Angkor where some obvious details were missing

>>1719421
>Lego figure Hitler on the right

>>1719483
basically this. i don't care either way but i imagine people would be fine with ongoing maintenance from the time of its construction but not full restoration for some reason

It depends. There is a fine line between restoration and building things from your imagination.
My stance would be yes, but only in the event that you know exactly what it was and how it was built. Otherwise, a restoration is akin to destroying any doubts a person could have to explore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aCFppygoCw

>>1719989

For the sake of argument, restoration generally brings in way more tourist dollars, and those funds can then be used for further conservation. Tourism itself can damage sites that are just preserved, for example tourism has damaged the Tomb of King Tut to the point that it'll soon be closed off and instead tourists will only see a 3D-printed replica;

https://youtu.be/hooUIumZQjk?t=407

>>1720553

And maybe its just me but "a facsimile made identical to the original at normal viewing distance" still takes something out of the experience.

A restoration is at least partly original and isn't so delicate as to be completely fenced to anyone not an archaeologist with a phd.

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>>1719463

There's actually a rebuilt Parthenon in Nasvhille, Tennessee. They have an art museum inside - it's kind of neat.

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>>1720656

They even rebuilt the statue of Athena.

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>>1720662
Greeks and Romans had no concept of aesthetics, did they?

>>1720689
their are fulfilled a different purpose. that athena is terrifying -- imagine seeing sculptures like those everywhere in the only places you would ever live. you'd start believing that those gods have a presence in the world back then like you'd think white girls only like black guys today

>>1720275
We can 3D print concrete and metal now.

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>>1720662
>>1720689
Friendly reminder that the colors we found on the statues were base coats. Details, smoother colors and shadows were applied on them.

These reproductions only show the dominant colors, and thus appear ugly.

>>1720689
It's funny how their sculptures are so unlike modern greek people. They were painted those colors but I bet the genetics of Greece, Spain, and Italy have been altered by the constant invasion and occupation of the Moors in Spain and the Ottoman empire in Italy and Greece.

Would doing something like building the lighthouse of Alexandria, the cities of Troy, Carthage and so on, stuff that's only there in location?

>>1720851
Most civilizations are developed by people who are closer to tanned swedes and norwegians.

>>1720851
"No"

>>1720851
My neighbor was greek and he looked like one of those carved statues. He had black curly hair and blue eyes and similar physique. His face was sharply cut like old greek statues. His family was from the more mountainous parts of greece and I think they weren't affected so much by the Ottoman occupation. When the Ottoman empire finally crumbled most of the greeks were greasy kebab people.

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>>1720908

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>>1720851
>in italy
i wonder who could be behind this post

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In Hungary the governement launched a castle reconstruction prgramme few years ago, parallel with a manor & chateau reconstruction too.

The prototype works already finished (1 castle and 1 manor) and planning and preparation has advanced on other sites.

32 castles and about 50 noble residences are included in the programme, including the Budapest royal complex itself.

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>>1720908

Do you realize that those statues were idolized versions of both the human physique and facial A E S T H E T I C S ? Some Greeks might look statuesque but most of them, like most people, are a bunch of ugly mugs.

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>>1720033
How dare you
China's replica of Paris is glorious!

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>>1719601
>China wouldn't be able to pull of a realistic reconstruction even if they put in the resource of 10 Beijing Olympics.
Actually much of the Forbidden City is restoration. Between the fleeing of the Last Emperor and the Cultural Revolution, pagodas have fallen down and the walls were being looted by the nearby hutongs for building materials. Even the flagstones of the famous courtyard in front of the Hall of Supreme Harmony was taken, with vegetation growing underneath.

The detail of the restoration work began in the 70s was performed to be as accurate as possible, down to the intricate wooden joinery on the roofs whose art was literally dying until the government located a very old fucking guy still doing such carpentry in the boonies for the restoration work.

>>1719432
jesus fuck. why?

>>1722754
that's so small...

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>>1719463
Y'all niggers should check out the Guédelon Castle.

>Guédelon Castle is a construction project located in Treigny, France. The object of the project is to build a castle using only the techniques and materials used in the Middle Ages. When completed in the 2020s, it should be an authentic recreation of a 13th-century medieval castle.

>In order to fully investigate the technology required in the past, the project is using only period construction techniques, tools, and costumes. Materials, including wood and stone, are all obtained locally. Jacques Moulin is the chief architect for the project. He designed the castle according to the architectural model developed during the 12th and 13th centuries by Philip II of France.

>The project has created 55 jobs and is now a tourist destination, with more than 300,000 visits each year.

>>1720044
>>1720298
>>1722829
Don´t forget it also won the Architizer A+ award for "architecture and preservation"

>>1719421
Honestly if they want yes if people want to destroy their own heritage that is up to them. Now I do ask they at least document everything before defining it.

>>1719421
I don't think they should be restored
but i think they should be maintained enough so they don't fall together

>>1723360
That's cool af
>you will never be a stonemason working on a medieval castle in the idyllic French countryside

>>1719432
>>1720044
>>1722829
Restoration criteria, niggers. The restored parts HAVE to be able to be told apart from the original parts. It's a XXI-cenury restoration, not a XIX-centuty "let's rebuild it to our romantic standards" reconstruction.

You can love it or you can hate it, but this IS the reason.

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Yes.

>>1723450
that would require some parts to be restored

>>1719432
I actually quite like this. It allows one to picture how the tower would have originally looked.

>>1723540
Bollox, restorations should be as silent as possible.By your criteria, ancient buildings will slowly transform into totally different structures as they are reconstructed

>>1723605
>Bollox

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>>1723505
Well, you could be one for a week. They accept volunteers. You just have to be older than 16.

http://www.guedelon.fr/fr/comment-participer-aux-travaux_40.html

>"No special skill is needed: only goodwill, the desire to learn, and interest in the project are necessary"

You should hurry up though, they're almost done. I remembered going there as a kid, it's crazy to think how far they've gone. It's not a huge castle, but still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOVo6bGMUS4

>>1719421
The more historical significance an object has the least it should be restored.

Example:
Random medieval fort: Should be restored to the fullest extent

Priceless ancient monument: Should never be restored

>>1719812
That's completely different from restorations like this
>>1719432
those towers have no aesthetic value and have a purely historical value, completely replacing the original structure destroys that value

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>What kind of restoration do you want, great wall of china?
>just cement my shit up