why is racism philosophically unsound ? >inb4 dont judge

>>1701844
It does lead to some pretty bad things.
Like intolerance, discrimination and outright genocide.
It also tends to erase the individual, with his own merits and faults, and judges everything by group.

>>1701844

Because races are a spook.

>>1701844
The concept of discrimination is not philosophically unsound, but the concept of race is. Just think about whites: there are no two people who agree on who qualifies as such and who doesn't.

>be raised in a Western individualistic culture
>"durr why can't i generalize and judge everyone based on groups"

It's your culture, dumbass. If you want to generalize, go to Asia and stop tainting precious Western civilization.

Like Paul Joseph Watson says, some cultures are better than others. I'm sorry you worship East Asian culture.

>>1701844
There are biological differences between men and women, that doesn't mean we treat women badly and less than men.

>>1701844
For the same reason psychiatry and psychology are scientifically unsound. Their premises are untestable and fall apart under scrutiny. They have some good ideas but lack the ideological neutrality necessary for science and the refinement of either a discipline or true science.

Essentially, it doesn't use the scientific method.

>>1701931
>Like Paul Joseph Watson says...

:DDDDD

Read an anthro textbook. Most responses to this question will call into question the concept of a race. Genetic diversity within populations is greater than the genetic diversity between populations

>>1701955
>Genetic diversity within populations is greater than the genetic diversity between populations
I hear this all the time but it doesn't explain the intelligence differences present between "races" even when adjusted for cultural and economic backgrounds.

>>1701955
>Genetic diversity within populations is greater than the genetic diversity between populations
If that were true it would be absolutely impossible to genetically distinguish populations, which is something we can in fact do.

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>>1701844
Race is a social construct

Pic related

All these girls are "black"

>>1701844
>racism =/= racialism
Racism is discrimination based on race and therefore for obvious reasons

>>1701985
Not seeing a problem here.

>>1701985
I see a black, two mullatos, and a quadroon.


Alphabets, math, and language is a social construct as well. Retard.

>>1701996
You lack knowledge

Racism is not objectively bad. It's just an opinion, like all else.
Most people tend to agree with most of the basic ideas that logically lead to racism being bad, and you can use this agreement to convince people that racism is wrong, but it's not a fact. It is an opinion, like all else in philosophy.

>>1701844
Anon, the saying is don't judge people solely on their creed or skin colour.
SOLELY

It doesn't imply 'there are no differences' at all.

>>1701976
What? The intelligence difference within each race ranges from retard to genius while differences across race tange from retard to average

>>1701844

The concept of race is not scientifically sound. This debate is therefore inherently pointless.

http://www.americananthro.org/ConnectWithAAA/Content.aspx?ItemNumber=2583

Thread over.

Racism can be both sound and unsound, depends on the objective of the person making the claim.

>>1702019
> what is a bell curve

>>1701976

>even when adjusted for cultural and economic backgrounds.

You also have to take into account

>nutrition
>climate
>pollution of air, water, soil and therefore crops
>noise pollution
>high stress environment

and about a million other things. our usual measure of intelligence are iq tests, all the factors play a big role in iq tests.

just face it, race is a made up concept and it's close to impossible to prove intelligence differences between two "races".

but even if you were able to, then what would be the conclusion? exactly, it leads nowhere.

>>1702046
Science isn't an argument about what's right, it's an argument about what we know.

>>1702065

how can racism be "right" if race as a concept is inherently flawed? you fucking retarded?

>>1702064
Not that anon but no you dont.

I understand what you mean and are trying to say. However take into consideration that if it's adjusted to cultural and economic background it would be adjusted for all the criteria you mentioned as well.

>>1701984
>If that were true it would be absolutely impossible to genetically distinguish populations, which is something we can in fact do.
We can do that because the traits inherent to certain populations are very specific and easily recognizable, however these traits only make up a small part of our genome. Overall a black man and a white man could have more similarities than a black man and another black man, but we recognize them as Black because they happen to share a very specific gene.

>>1702072
> hurr ur a tard

That's some real nice science you got there. Would you mind actually pointing out what I'm wrong about or are you actually saying science deals in absolute facts and doesn't inherently recognize its own human limitations?

>>1702072
>how can racism be "right"
...He just fucking said nothing was "right"

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>>1701985
And the blackest girl is the most beautiful, contrary to stereotypes. All the others look like trannies. Holy shit.

>>1701985
Yes they are black humans that have DNA that is majority African Congoid or Negroid that is actually what black means not HURR A HUMAN WITH DARK BROWN SKIN DURR.

>>1702006
>implying he's wrong

>>1702113
Good point/slight kek

>>1701985
in order of best to worst. Prove me wrong faggots
1-3-4-2
inmy opinion the lightest skinned one in this case is the least appealing. rather masculine face.

>>1702120
Condolezza Rice is 40% European and 9% Native and the rest black
If her phentoype dice roll got a different roll she'd look more mixed or even white and can pass as different groups or be viewed by society differently

Also phenotype may not reflect a person's racial category that accurately which can be seen in the people who occupy the spectrum between any two groups.

>>1701985
All of them besides the 2nd one look trans

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>>1701844
Scientifically it's a stupid idea. Not only there is no proof of race significantly effecting behavior or intelligence, the concept of race is also dumb. Whites are not a race, neither are blacks and Asians. Black and white is just a skin color, and there are many black people and groups who are genetically closer and share more ancestry with white people and groups, then with many other blacks. Same with Asians. So for example, Uzbeks, although they are "Asians", are genetically distant from the Chinese and much closer to Russians who are "whites".

Humans are rather mixed and people that live closer to each other generally share more heritage.

All organisms are the end of an unbroken chain of common ancestors. Any individual can be compared with others by virtue of the relevant connections moving back in this chain. These differences can be described, but they're not normative.

The big flaw in "racism" is that people want to take data, like about racial differences, and then pretend that the data makes obvious claims about how we 'should' act? When it makes no such thing.

Men are taller than women doesn't tell you anything about how you should arrange your laws. It PREDICTS that more men than women will be firefighters for instance. But you could have a department of all women firefighters who operate above the average. Nothing about this is contradictory or unexpected to someone who understands statistics.

Similarly, most intelligent people understand privately that, for example, direct descendants of mostly African bushmen are on an IQ curve to the left of direct descendants of Germans. The difference is that they also realize this doesn't need to affect any of our social behavior. We should ignore race and just see what the actual traits are of each individual.

/pol/ retards want to say "aha! Blacks are on average dumber! Therefore I am smarter because I am white! And all of us whites should keep down the blacks!" because they totally fail to understand both statistics and the normative / descriptive difference.

>>1701844

Racism isn't bad honestly. Civilisation progressed for hundreds of years without the word existing. It's just a term used to shut people up. I have a few black friends who get white girls to have sex with them by calling them racist for refusing. The word racist and the accusation of racism carries more danger to society than the act.

>>1701947

Actually I find the ideas that are usually branded as racist are more scientific and steadfast than the "races aren't real all humans are the same" argument.

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>>1703222

> Not only there is no proof of race significantly effecting behavior or intelligence

>>1703347
this fucking cracker wanting to think he is smart due to his colour. fucking embarrassing

>>1703222
>Not only there is no proof of race significantly effecting behavior or intelligence
Except, perhaps, every single intelligence test conducted across racial lines in the USA during the past 100 years.

But let's just ignore those.

Also your understanding of human genetic variation is appalling.

>>1703326

You shouldn't ignore race completely though. Hypothetically if you ran a country, and if you are being truthful when you say you believe that Africans have lower IQ than Europeans on average, then surely you would want to limit African immigration due to the negative affect on your nations IQ it would have, and it would be a more cost effective way of handling immigration than say doing individual IQ tests on every African who wants to enter the nation.

>>1703326
And you seem to be ignorant of one of the most fundamental laws of statistics, the law of large numbers.

An all-woman firefighter squad might perform above average if it is very small, but the likelihood of it performing above average as its size increases decreases, because the average capability of the group will regress towards the mean.

Likewise, you can probably find a smart bushman, but if you have an immigration of, say, 100 000 bushmen refugees into your country, the average IQ of that group will be similar to the average IQ of bushmen (low 60s).

Hence this "treat everyone like individuals" mentality is true when you're dealing with INDIVIDUALS, not with GROUPS. When you deal with groups, the relevant metric is the average of the group.

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>>1703222

There is plenty of scientific research done on race available to those who will look for it actually.

>>1701955

But the genes are from different groups. You're basically spouting bull.

>>1701955
50 FUCKING YEARS ON, PEOPLE STILL QUOTE LEWONTIN'S FALLACY

>>1701844
Because, for example, even if there's less black geniuses than white, the black genius is still a genius. And even if there are more black idiots than white, the white idiots are still stupid.

So it goes with other aspects of character and ability.

I've never met a single anti-racist that wasn't completely mathematically illiterate.

on a very basic level, if a trait is not genetically expressed, then selection CANNOT work on it. that is to say, if genetics was not determinative of intelligence, then selection would not have been able to refine it, not as jellyfish, not as fish, not as lizards, and not as apes.

that means for all people, even today, intelligence is determined by genetics

this thread is giving me hope though. I never would have guesed some 7/10 of /his/ posters were race realists

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>>1703222

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve6uK00AvNo

Well there's really no such thing as race.

Ethnic groups are a reality however.

What are the traditional "races"?

Whites, blacks, asians, indians, amerindians, aboriginals and arabs.

There are 7 billion people on earth, you really think you can just classify all of them in 7 categories? Biology, geneology, politics and history are not quite that simple.

There are thousands of ethnicities and within them lie thousands more sub groups. Only simpletons see the world in 7 colors.

>>1703409
Leftists are the worst creationists.

>>1703409
genetics may place a ceiling on genetics but there are other factors at play genetic determinism isn't a 100% full proof way of looking at things like you stormniggers wish it was

>>1703412
>Well there's really no such thing as race.
t. marxist professor.

>What are the traditional "races"?
Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Australoid. That classification system is outdated though, people now use human genetic clustering. But the main clusters roughly correspond to these 4 traditional groupings.

>>1703381

We Swedes did the opposite and now we are having a super fun and happy time.

>>1703426
*on intelligence

>>1703176
You can tell someone's race by staring at their skull shape for a couple minutes.
>>1703222
The African Congoid has a different shaped skull from us Caucasoids who have a slightly different skull from Mongoloids of what you all east asians. Plz note Caucasoid means Human thats DNA is majority Caucasoid and those are all the humans in Europe, the middle east,India,Pakistan and North Africa.

East Africans are not Caucasoids they share too many similar traits with the Congoids for this to be possible but may be what the Congoids use to look(based on how the Capoid humans of Africa have flat faces and spherical skulls in contrast to the congoid's apelike jutting out face) like until something went horribly wrong with their genes mutating them into the Bantu freaks we know today.

Yet still they act the same as Bantus(their countries are shit) so they are fucking Bantus. The Sudanese are also the same racial group as East Africans along with Somalis and look at how these jerks act in other countries.

>>1703426
>genetics may place a ceiling on genetics
Literally wat?

>>1703390

>>All those studies have since been discredited

but of course, the big nosed humans must be behind it, right?

>>1703437
>>>All those studies have since been discredited
In your imagination

>>1702064
Or you look at the result, and conclude that areas with a bad result like the north sentinels aren't intelligent

intelligent groups would move to good areas for settlement, and which would create wealth, so everything that isn't the result is irrelevant as they're also a product of intelligence

Race is not a social construct its real the freaking 23andme thing confirms race is a real thing, but if we want to get technical there are five main races.

Caucasoid
Mongoloid
Congoid
Australoid
Capoid

The genetic distance from the Congoids is one of the main reasons blacks were once considered any species. While the general non human behavior of Abos is why they were considered not humans.

Our closest cousins are actually the Mongoloids meaning in reality we should only consider Mongoloids as our species, the rest are other species even if we can interbreed with them based on genetic distance. The Capoids are literally living fossils of what we use to look like 120,000 years ago in Africa.

>>1703419
leftists are indeed creationists. it's fucking appalling

>>1703426
genetics does put a ceiling on intelligence, it also puts a sort of floor on intelligence. it also sets behavioral baselines. genetics also determines competetive strategies and general culture.

what are these "other factors" that I'm overlooking? leftists have been improvingthese other factos for 50 years now and there hasn't been a single bit of gain after spending trillions of dollars. in fact, schools have gotten WORSE trying to teach low iq people how to read.

if a low iq student requires a fascist environment in order to learn how to read, and everyone is "equal" you just end up oppressingthe smart and well behaved kids.

fuck off.

>>1703433
east africans are a transitional population. blacks did not look at them. autosomal dna evidence shows that they're literally just half arabic.

there's a reason that in evolution archaic traits never tend to resurface: it's because evolution tends to develop suites of traits at once. it's impossible to undo a specific trait without undoing all of them, ncluding the good ones.

africans are clearly archaic. they have 15% less fucking skull volume, concentrated in the area of the cortex, which means their cortex is even more than 15% smaller.

>>1703426
No stupid fuck its all genes, the only reason you passed high school is because you were genetically intelligent enough to do so, the morons who dropped had defiencies in the cognition required to pass it, you notice so many blacks failing highschool and some passing it doing jackshit what does this mean?

>>1703488
Are you sure they are half arabic? Or are arabs just HALF THEM? Arabs and North Africans have alot of genes in common with East Africans indicating a common ancestor that split off from that group millenia ago. Easties are not mixed breeds they are another race entirely.

>>1703489
dat skool be raycis yo

But anyways, don't exaggerate in the other direction. Genetics account for 80% of the variation in intelligence, not 100%. And other factors come into play (motivation, etc.) on a case to case basis to explain why a certain student drops out.

But yes, if you take group averages all these case to case reasons sort of cancel each other out, and the only factor which remains is difference in average IQ.

>>1703494
Arabs have a bit of negroid admixture, but it's recent and due to the slave trade.

>>1703494
do some basic research on haplotypes. it's not perfect, but it provides a good basis for understanding historical basal populations. ethiopian and somalians are about 30% J, egyptians and arabs arabs are about 50% J and about 20% bantu. the introgression is almost ALL y dna in ethiopia, which means arabs went in and raped/wifed the bantu. the african dna in egypt/peninsular arabia is almost all X, which means they took slaves/wives.

it's pretty easy for them to figure out.

east africans are literally just half-race mixes. don't be stupid. this is well documented.

>>1703498
You really are dumb you must not know smart people can pass high school without much effort because they are fucking smart, where as a moron is utterly incapable of getting past highschool without constant assistance.. A smart guy can be as depressed as a guy who had his dick cut off and still pass highschool because they are fucking smart ITS JUST EASY FOR THEM.
>>1703502
No they have Negro genes because those genes were always there before they were even Arabs, those are just the genes that connects Arabs to Blacks.

>>1703518
>You really are dumb you must not know smart people can pass high school without much effort because they are fucking smart, where as a moron is utterly incapable of getting past highschool without constant assistance.
I do know that. But a smart person can also fail high school because he gets addicted to drugs or whatever.

>No they have Negro genes because those genes were always there before they were even Arabs, those are just the genes that connects Arabs to Blacks.
Also not true. The black admixture in semites is recent in origin.

>>1703498
don't misinterpret that figure. 80% means that 80% of accountable variation. the remaining 20% is just "shit we can't figure out right now." but that doesn't mean it's environmental in the sense that "jimmy ate a genius potion and gained 20 iq ponts." in fact, a great deal of the remaining 20% "environmental" is almost ALL negative. environment almost only has the potential to decrease IQ. you can get dropped on your had, you can eat lead, you can get traumatized, but nothing ever drags it upward. the fact that tehre's no way to improve iq, but there's a million ways to destroy it, most of which involves carcnogens that literally destroy your dna, is a strong hint that it's nearly 100% genetic.

(motivation is also largely genetic. if cultural standards such as "don't beat up nerds" is also genetic (we know violence is, so it's a matter of tolerance for the weak, and whites LOVE protecting the weak) then that means almost all of culture is also genetic.

which means intelligence is damn near 100% genetic.

>>1703514
Arabs may have raped blacks but the Easties still looked the way they do since millenia ago. They are not racemixed, arabs simply have similar genes as them.
>>1703528
Its not black admixture anon its genes that blacks and arabs have in common like those african genes some southerners in the USA have of course the moron will say HURR MY PAPI fucked a nigger but thats moronic for a white person in this age to have any notable percentage of black DNA it means the DNA was always there meaning their ancient ancestors had it and its been unchanged, we humans already have this phenomenon it explains why no matter how much we breed the neanderthal and erectus genes will never go away at all.

>>1703498

Motivation doesn't factor into intelligence. It factors into the individuals level of education though.

People need to learn the difference between ability to acquire AND utilise information and just memorising things.

>>1703533
>the remaining 20% is just "shit we can't figure out right now."
Right, but it's not genetics. It's not the shared environment, but it's the non-shared environment. For example studies show that black babies adopted into upper class white families have higher average IQs than blacks who aren't. Of course they don't reach the white IQ, because 20% is not that much wiggle room, but there is still a slight increase.

You seem drunk.

>>1703428

It's always puzzled me as to why Sweden went the way it did so much faster than any other European country. Why do you think it is?

>>1703544
>Motivation doesn't factor into intelligence. It factors into the individuals level of education though.
Right, I could've phrased it better. What I meant was that high school dropouts don't all drop out because they aren't smart enough.

>>1703556
Nordic societies being (historically) extremely homogeneous, have much higher ingroup trust than, say, Britain. A jew came during the 1960s and pushed for open borders and the Swedes didn't anticipate that other peoples don't act like Swedes.

>>1703544
Some people are born with low motivation or no motivation beyond primal thrill we call these psychopaths or clinical depression.

You see your motivation is dependent on that chemical in your head called oxytocin if you produce low levels of that well you lose the ability to care about anything so no motivation beyond what your reptile brain(dopamine) says.
>>1703562
Swedes are castrated humans they are strangely pacifistic yet lived in a frozen craphole like the slavs in Russia who are very violet and vicious in both genders.

So I see you retards are still arguing and talking about haplotypes in a topic that was solved within 10 posts.

Because the human soul is essentially the same regardless of outward biological differences. It is only our individual actions embodying the good, the just, the courageous, the temperate, and the wise (or the evil, the unjust, the cowardly, the decadent, and unwise) that make our souls different.

>>1703566
Danes are very close to Swedes genetically yet are far less cucked. Sweden's case is an extreme example of leftist brainwashing.

>>1703536
anon, skeletons in the levant from 1k years ago literally do not have bantu genes in them. I really don't know what to tell you. you're acting like a retard

>>1703553
minnessota transracial adoption study literally proves that what you just said is fucking untrue. there are zero iq gains from being adopted by whites.

adoption studies show that in samples greater than 200, children show PERFECT iq averages between their two genetic parents (white to white, black to white, asian to asian, etc.) amd zero relationship with their white parents. because that's literally how iq works.

>>1703583
Leftism would have no effect if they werent already pacifistic pussies. Leftism can only work on white countries, the non white races are more hostiles and tribalist that is why Africa has the most human rights violations of any continent and its population tell the U.N to swallow horseshit when they bring it up.

Europeans are weak castrated humans that lost their violent edge over emotional altruistic madness.

>>1703589
Those skeletons are just outliers you faggot, there are white people in America with only European ancestors.

>>1703589
>minnessota transracial adoption study literally proves that what you just said is fucking untrue. there are zero iq gains from being adopted by whites.
No, there are gains. Iirc in the minnessota study blacks adopted by upper class families had a +5IQ gain compared to those who weren't. Of course, the whites who were adopted by upper class families also had this +5IQ gain. It's a well known fact. I remember Charles Murray saying that the only method to increase IQ which he was aware of was being adopted by an upper class family.

>>1703591
Pacifism isn't a bad thing by itself. Modern Japanese people aren't warmongers yet they don't accept millions of foreigners. It's a self-loathing streak in the cultural marxist infected variants of leftism which are to blame.

ITT: Obese Americans discussing a country they have never visited and know close to nothing about.

>>1701844
White people lied about black history
People of dark skin ruled the earth but the "whites" raided all the countries and killed off all the ancient mankind civilizations
Whites came from cavemen living in the cold weather in the mountains
Usually in blizzard areas like that there isn't much sun
That's why pure unmixed whites can not stay in the sun for too long
All the people faces in your image are of dark skin and all have African features
All of their noses should be round ad they should have full lips
Whites have changed the images of the so called "African-American" "Black History"
"Blacks" have been enslaved for too long I'm talking way before the Mather Luther King civil rights movement I'm talking way before written history
And right now we are all enslaved in this system that involves everyone and their safety and privacy
They want people to stay blind and not see through the lies and deception
We're all in this because it's not about color anymore it's about who got the money and who don't
The 1% will and eventually eat the the rest of the 99% if you aren't pure royal blood in the white race
Nobodies "safe" you're all in a dream wake up

>>1703608
Japs are not pacifistic, they are tribalist they act civilized to other japs but treat nonjaps like sideshow attractions, they are known to beat the shit out of nonjaps in their schools for no reason. Yes let the women make you think japs are all koombaya for humanity heck no the Mongoloids(East Asians and New World Natives) are successful because they are intelligent tribalist humans meaning pacifism nor empathy can get in their way the japs end goal is to takeover the world but whitey in America is in the end so they will wait for whitey to get weak so they can strike.

>>1703595
>all the skeletons we've found have no bantu admixture
>outliers
you're beyond hope anon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

blacks didn't even live outside of the congo until the bronze age

>>1703608
alright, you might be right on this point. but iq is still almost completely a function of the basic mathematical mean between your parents iqs. that means it's almost completely genetic.

the 20% of wiggle room is almost entirel downward, and begging for muh programs is just adding fuel to the fire of inner city crime.

>>1703634
Look as a shitskin who lived in Japan I can tell you that's not true, Japanese people are incredibly friendly, just like northern europeans.

There's a difference between pacifism and self-loathing. Germans today, when they let themselves get raped by refugees, are not being pacifistic but self-loathing.

>>1703635
Yes jackass we are talking about EASTIES NOT BANTUS YOU RETARDED FUCK.
>>1703638
You should see what they say about you behind your back.

>>1703635
>alright, you might be right on this point. but iq is still almost completely a function of the basic mathematical mean between your parents iqs. that means it's almost completely genetic.
Yes, almost, at 80%.

>the 20% of wiggle room is almost entirel downward, and begging for muh programs is just adding fuel to the fire of inner city crime
I don't advocate for any programs, I'm just saying that claiming that intelligence is 100% genetic is wrong, there are some environmental factors which come into play that we don't understand, although as you've pointed out we have no idea how they work (except that they're better in upper class families)

>>1703634
>but treat nonjaps like sideshow attractions, they are known to beat the shit out of nonjaps in their schools for no reason.
Nigger what. Japanese people are extremely polite to strangers. If they don't like somebody they will simply ignore him or else give him very terse, but polite, replies so that he loses interest and goes away. They are above all a very passive culture that eschews most forms of confrontation. Even the bullying in Japanese schools is usually passive aggressive (drawing graffiti on the victim's desk, messing with their locker or book bag when they aren't around, spreading nasty rumors, or their absolute favorite: isolating them from the rest of the class and ignoring them as a group). The kind of bullying where they gang up and hit them isn't really common outside of grade school, the Japs upon reaching adolescence learn far more subtle ways to be mean to people.

>>1703646
if I had to guess, the remaining 5 points is probably a sort of mini-flynn effect. the parents of a kid that is given up for adoption are probably stupid as fuck on average, which would mean that they'd be less likely to afford medical care, more likely to have childhood illnesses, etc.

I'd wager tons of money that the 5 point iq gain is just adequate diet, not catching mumps, and not dropping kids on their heads.

for reference, I think if mostly middle class children were adopted, there'd be zero iq gains, as in, absolute zero, from high class adoptions.

>>1703661
he's right and he's wrong. they're nonviolent, but they ARE tribalistic. they don't want other races in their country. nor should they.

>>1701844
Heuristic thinking is generally frowned upon in philosophy and any other field of rigor

>>1703686
race is no longer an heuristic classification. it's based in genetics

also heuristics were used to classify just about every biological lifeform accurately, 80 years ago, in a way that modern genetics validates 99% of it.

so again, you're an idiot

>>1701844
because its about cute chicks (some /w dicks) of any pigmented persuasion, not just caucasian, but even asian!

>>1703638
Japs hide it better and are more passive aggressive.

>>1703964
>japs smile to your face but tell you that you're not allowed to immigrate, now gtfo nigger
>whites allow you to immigrate to use you as slave labor
>whites suppress news of immigrants raping children and get anti-immigration advocates thrown in prison for "racism"
>japs are "passive aggressive"
yeah okay bud

>>1703964
>japs
>passive aggressive
>nuked

sounds right

>>1701844
Why is this topic still up lol? It was answered several times.

>>1703969
Nice weeb.

>>1703390
Ironic

Another decent thread gone to shit.

>>1703702
Racism is making judgements forming prejudices based solely on someone's race. You're asking if racism is philosophically sound, not whether race is a biological reality. These two things have nothing to do with each other

>heuristics were used to classify just about every biological lifeform accurately, 80 years ago, in a way that modern genetics validates 99% of it.

Do you even know what heuristics are? Here's an example

>this newly discovered creature walks on land
>its breathes oxygen
>it's therefore a mammal

Do you think this is how any sort of biology is conducted?

>>1704021
cladistics is basically an heuristic because we will never have a solid enough fossil record, and it involves large amounts of inference

further, judgements based on race are overwhelmingly accurate, and you agree with this statement. unless you send your kids to an overwhelmingly black school, you inherently agree with the fact that racial classifications of behavior are accurate.

Differences between population groups =/= Race.

Sherpas in the Himalayas have insane lung capacity, and blacks from Sub-Saharan Africa tend to get more sickle cell anemia than European and Asian people, because the gene that control it supposedly protects against malaria.

But that does NOT mean that Europeans, Sub Saharan Africans and Asians are a different species of animal.

>>1704032
>judgements based on race are overwhelmingly accurate.

Not really. A combination of all a persons background and current way of living can give you much more in detail then race. You are much better off judging a persons character by the fuckton of other factors then relying on race.

>>1704048
go live in detroit, then.

you say one thing, then do another.

I'll trust your actions, not your words

>>1704052
Or he could go live in Bowie, Maryland.

>>1704052
It just seems that your views make little sense.

How does knowing a guy is a Jew suddenly give me so much info about him I cam make a super accurate judgement about him?

>>1701937
It absolutely means that women and men should be treated differently.

>>1701844
if you want something dissected define it properly you chucklefuck

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Most anti-race arguments ITT boil down to
>it's a spectrum
>THEREFORE IT DOESN'T EXIST AND THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ANY TWO POPULATIONS AND DIVERGENT EVOLUTION ENDS COMPLETELY AT THE NECK
I thought you guys were logical thinkers...

Because WWII made everyone afraid of openly genociding and subjugating subhumans

You don't NEGOTIATE with vermin, you FUCKING KILL THEM

Leftists think violence, particularly state sponsored violence is inherently bad

And God forbid you mention the fact that women are inferior

It all comes down to "boo hoo, we're not all equals"

It's pathetic

Like telling kids they can "be anything they want"

>>1703514
All that the y-dna proves is that 30% of african horners share a single male ancestor.

>>1704225
/his/ is mostly made up of redditors.

>>1704210
That's in irrelevant shit though.

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>>1704236
Women aren't inferior, they serve a different role. They're certainly inferior when it comes to business and war, but they're superior at homemaking and childrearing.

>>1704236
>Leftists think violence, particularly state sponsored violence is inherently bad
Hardly. If anything they believe the opposite, that only the state should have the means to carry out violence. Leftists have a naive belief in the benevolence of the state. All their mistakes flow from this central delusion that the State is inherently good.

>>1704248
Your statement implies that you believe in biological differences between races. Do you believe that men & women should be treated differently because of their innate differences? If so, why don't you believe the same about races?

>>1704225
The time span humanity split was way way way too recent to do any major evolutionary change (before you say muh Sickle cell, muh light skin that isn't evolution but adaptation like the Peppered moths of London). Not to mention the constant spread of genes through countless ways, genetics and the brain being a huge as fuck mystery and the self fulfilling prophecy that is enacting polices that can negatively affect a "inferior" population.

>>1704262
>(before you say muh Sickle cell, muh light skin that isn't evolution but adaptation like the Peppered moths of London).
What exactly do you think "evolution" entails? Genuinely curious.

>>1704256
He's a cuck who's too pussywhipped to accept biology when it doesn't suit him

I'm about to post my laundry list of studies showing the inferiority of women

>>1704268
>Fuck off tumblr
Did you not notice my picture was a swastika and Hitler quote, you dumbfuck MRA?
>Weird, virtually every single study has shown women make the worst parents
>All the world's top cooks are men
>And cleaning is nothing more than half and hour of button pushing
>Women are useless breeding vessels
Fuck off back to /r/TheRedPill.

>>1704262
>The time span humanity split was way way way too recent to do any major evolutionary change (before you say muh Sickle cell, muh light skin that isn't evolution but adaptation like the Peppered moths of London).
Adaptation is evolution, retard. It's the first step in divergent evolution, which is the first step of speciation.

>>1704356
Generally, evolution refers to change, and in particular in our gene-centered age, change due to changes in genes. Mutation changes DNA sequence, and if that change is transmitted to the next generation, the population’s gene pool, its set of genotype variants, has changed—it has ‘evolved’.

Adaptation generally refers to change that leads organisms to be suited to their local circumstances in some way, when that change is due to changes in the mix of genetic variants in a species that is there. It is genetic change that alters the resulting organism in ways that are different and more successful in the environment than the genotypes (that is, the organisms with the genotypes) that had been there. The usual image is that of natural selection screening out the less successful genotypes, with the result that the ones that persist increase in their frequency in the population.

>>1703427
No they don't, the Khoisan and various Pygmies across the world are pretty damn genetically distinct, especially the Khoisan from other Africans.

>>1703455
>species

It's race, not species. A different species is Homo neanderthalenis or Homo erectus.

>>1703536
> but the Easties still looked the way they do since millenia ago.

Nope. In East Africa there were still pure blooded Ethiopians 5000 years ago. It's now we know there was a backflow of Eurasian DNA into that particular horn of East Africa. I mention the horn because Nilo-Saharans, Bantus from Central Africa and unrelated hunter gatherer populations aren't included.

>>1701844
>why is racism philosophically unsound ?
For the same reason assuming all snakes are poisonous because some are and it usually leads to the conclusion "kill all snakes" which not only the premise that you used to arrive to that conclusion is wrong but it also has more impact than the direct consequence ( everything the snake preys upon and everything that preys upon snakes )

In racism instance, you justified the government treating people different for being "undesirable" despite them not causing any actual harm. There is nothing stopping government, in it's insatiable thirst for power from adding any and all detractors or even potential detractors to that "undesirable" list. You already see this with SJWs screaming loud enough that they can get an innocent man publicly disgraced and shamed for being a misogynist for wearing an article of clothing that a close -female- friend made for him.
It's far safer and in the racists own ultimate self interest to leave it to the individual to voluntarily and peacefully keep to himself if he has that much of a problem with brown folks.

>>1703536
Humans don't have erectus DNA. If they did, it would probably be found in Asia, but it's not likely.

>>1703589
While it's true that they have no Bantu or SSA blood, why bring up only Bantu? Not all black Africans are Bantu, there are more Niger-Congo people than them.

>>1703635
There were West Africans living in well, West Africa, long before the Bantu explosion, not to mention the black people who lived in the Sahara desert before it got too hot (and got permanently replaced by Berbers, mostly Caucasian ones), those jet black people in Sudan, and other various related groups in East Africa who weren't on the way to becoming "East African" (mixed race).

In fact, West Africans moved from East Africa to the West 12,000 years ago, and frequently interacted with North Africans wherever they met.

>>1704035
It doesn't even mean they're different subspecies. Maybe if the populations didn't mix with each other (it was bound to happen for some groups in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Australia) they could turn out to be subspecies like Homo sapiens idaltu, or the really different subspecies of Homo erectus that lived for nearly 2 million years.

humans inherently dislike those who are unlike themselves, even the smallest of differences sets this off, which is why what the average human wnats to do is to be as average and normal in the public eye as possible, as to avoid arousing suspicion and distrust. this obviously doesn't go for aesthetic differences exclusively, but also hobbies and crafts. it is a logically sound biological phenomenon that keeps you safe from different things, because different things are bad.
as for racism, racism is never based off of something as silly as skin colour beyond what i described in my past paragraph, as it is based on you and your fellow tribesmen's experiences with the other tribe. if they happen to be black then they don't get out of jail for free, of course the negative memory imprinted into a tribe will last a long time, and as time goes on it only gets stronger so long as nothing to the contrary appears to disprove the negative experiences.
as for acknowledging particular facts, it's not racist to know that the average iq of the white man is beyond that of the black man, nor is it based on bad past experiences, it is mere fact, what else could it be?

>>1704520
It's what people do with those not really useful IQ stats that makes them a total pain in the ass to deal with.

You give them an inch they go a mile.

>as for racism, racism is never based off of something as silly as skin colour

Not only but that's a part of it.

>>1701844
Define racism.

Do you just mean to discriminate, i.e. to recognize the differences? This is simply analysis and basic instinct.

Do you mean treating someone a certain way based on that difference? This is still basic instinct, and this is being capable of complex, improvisational thought and action.

Do you mean considering someone inferior based on these differences and acting on that? This all depends on your goals, and what you consider better, and honestly we all have our own goals and personal sense of rank.

Liberals and "anti-racists" have their own goals too. They are trying to break the boundaries between races and cultures, but this in itself is the act of establishing their own culture. They don't want to admit it, but they are attempting to overthrow other cultures and become dominant; they are discriminating as well.

>>1704529
people care more about niggers running around murdering people, but of course you faggots always deny that even is a factor.

if they have a low iq and don't happen to turn every single city they live in into a gun and drug fueled hellhole, we'd care less.

>>1704582
That has nothing to do with what I really said.

>>1704563

>They are trying to break the boundaries between races and cultures, but this in itself is the act of establishing their own culture. They don't want to admit it, but they are attempting to overthrow other cultures and become dominant; they are discriminating as well.

what?

>>1704595
no one takes a mile with iq stats

the status quo enforces the idea that they're equal in all ways, including iq and murder rate, and anyone who wants to separate themselves for their own safety is an evil racist who must be punished.

we don't hate themf or their skin color. we just understand that we don't want to be killed quite clearly, and we are being punished for it. being punished for not wanting to get shot tends to reinforce our hate.

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>>1702010
THIS.

>>1701858
I want to call this first post out. paticularly:

>It also tends to erase the individual, with his own merits and faults, and judges everything by group.

this is only somewhat true but one could argue that racial alturism would also lead to erase individualism and paticularly culture.

At the very least you end up with a bastardisation of it when these worlds collide.
One usually dominating the other and using the inferior culture as enteratinment at best.

by all means give me a back to >pol but you can quite clearly see this in the modern age and how we have such vapid and self-indulgent societies as a reaction to the cultural wasteland we manufactured ourselves.

>>1704595
>what?
What don't you understand there?

Equality is an ideology as much as any and requires just as much discrimination in order to make it succeed.

>>1704343
*tips fedora*

>>1701844
You are either retarde or this is a /pol/-tread.

Either way, hope you guys report it too.

sage

>>1701844

racism does not imply simply acknowledging that there are diferences betveen different people
that isnt actualy rasism at all, thats maybe anthropology or sociology, some field of medicine, or biology, or just common sense and life experience

its a tautology realy - different humans differ

in itself this means nothing, not outside highly specific context

what makes racism racism is a overemphasis, to the point of radicalism, of real or imaginary negative traits of a certain population, designated as inferior, then conecting that with all sorts of laying blame and making up excuses, and even more so the positive or superior traits, again real or imaginary, of whichever population one identifies with, designated as superior

othervise it would just be - lol people differ biologicaly - or - theres some people i dont like and believe i have good reason

but thats not it, right, thats not what racism is about, its not about the fact that a certain organ configuration, enzime or facial feature is statisticaly more prevalent in one population of humans or another, neither is it about the fact some human populations dont get along well and often for good reasons

racism is about stories of how and why us are better then them and how them are obviously monkeys, rats and cockroaches - whoever us and them might be in a given place and time - and about how this is inherent and will allways be so and theres only one way to deal with that and we all know what that is etc etc...

so realy biology dosent even enter it, firstly because racism isnt realy interested in biology, biology is just a way to wrap its bullshit into somekind of attempted pseudo-legitimacy, to prop up stories, but secondly because race has nothing to do with biology, race is a invented generalised cathegory, differing in meaning and scope from place to place and from time to time

but realy the reality of it all is far worse than racists imagine

>>1703591

you have no idea how retarded you are

>>1703556

Our politicians are completely fucking retarded. It's amazing. That's the only explanation I have.

>>1703638

I am Swedish and I act very friendly to all foreigners, but I very much dislike subhumans like arabs and africans and wish they'd just go away. But there's no reason to be rude about it. So don't equate friendliness to acceptance or anything genuine.

>/his/ - Pseudoscience

>>1703222
Are you trying to tell me that sand niggers are whte?

>>1705143
we wuz crackas n shit

>>1704601
Yes much better back in the 50s when whites could kill a black man without trial or in a kangaroo court with only racist white as a jury and then make his lynching a family event.

Truly those were better times...

>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Race Not Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Look At Different People Like Nigga Open Your Eyes Haha

>>1701955
>>1701955
Bullshit, a shift in a curve represents a bigger difference overall than the difference between two points in the same curve, because curves represent many, many individual samples.

>>1702089
>Race is one gene
>There are no differences in traits prevalent among geographically isolated populations
How can one person be so stupid?

>>1703445
North Sentinelese do not have bad IQ results, because no North Sentinelese has ever taken an IQ test.

>>1703412
There are countless species out there, do you really think you can differentiate "mammals" from "reptiles"???
Oh turns out you can

>>1701955
>lewontin's fallacy
>mfw lefties are literally stuck in the past

>>1704262
>that isn't evolution but adaptation
Could you by any chance remind me how evolution occurs?

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>>1701844
OP here

i dont think its even relevant whether the concept of race is applicable to humans

the only relevant question is whether the differences between groups justify some sort of discrimination in some situations like admission of immigration and so on not whether they justify the taxonomical concept of race

im not saying that the concept of race is invalid just that the concept of ethnic discrimination is not automatically invalid just because race might not be the best way to describe these different groups

>>1705983

how about cultural discrimination, or religious discrimination, or political discrimination?

or how about people get their genotype/phenotype analised and tested and so are clasified cathegorised and designated?

>>1703409
well selection can also work through social behaviours. if parents like education more than sports, they teach this behaviour to theirs kids and so on..

>>1706014
if some religious/cultural or political convictions posed a danger then it could be justified

and i have nothing against analysis if its affordable

>>1706068

what if the results come back and say youre confined to sectors x trough y and can only procreate with that specific test type or lower

>>1706092
why is that relevant ?

we are one species and basically everyone can procreate with anyone that is a part of the definition of a species

and im an antinatalist anyway so i wont have my own children anyway ( that doesnt mean i cant support eugenics because i know that the implementation of antinatalism is far from being realistic)

>>1703381
No. That doesn't follow. You're assuming a whole "us vs them" framework that's totally unjustified in this discussion. That's actually exactly the fallacy I'm talking about. Facts don't lead directly to moral claims like that.

>>1703382
Yes I understand all that.

But so now I'm not talking about "have to look at individuals" to understand anything. The idea of treating people like individuals is a separate, NORMATIVE claim.

I'm saying *even though* we know the statistics, we should legally and morally in our daily lives ignore that information when encountering people.

>>1705875

I think what he's referring to is that the genetic differences we choose to distinguish race by are less significant than the ones within a population that we don't distinguish race by.

The racial categories we have are largely arbitrary but convenient (largely because of the visual differences), we could easily come up with a more specific / more general categorization for and still base it "on science", we can base a lot of shit on science, but that doesn't magically mean the groupings we settle on are either the only way to group things or the best way to group things.

We could do it all based on the left handedness or right handedness if we want. Or hair color. Or eye color. Or any number of genetic factors.

>>1706123
in what sense is it a fallacy ?

if one group of people would cause a significantly higher rate of crime and welfare cost in what sense is it a fallacy to limit the immigration of that group ?

could you please state an example of a fact from which a "should" follows in your eyes ?

>>1706123

>No. That doesn't follow

He's suggesting a generalized approach, it's rational as long as you believe the statistics that Africans have a lower IQ.

If you have stats that say "X group is more likely to do y thing" or "x group's average intelligence is z" then making decisions based on that statistic, in the absence of information on the individual (that is, if doing a test / background check is prohibitively expensive) is appropriate. It's more rational to use the evidence you have, even if not perfectly accurate on a case by case basis, than to ignore it based on "yeah but what if they're different than average."

Let's say hypothetically that someone did a study on the Xalgar alien race. The study concluded that 1% of Xalgars commit a violent crime in their lifetime. If you trust that study and lack the resources to do a background check on each Xalgar guy, then it's safe to assume that if you import 100 Xalgars 1 is going to commit a violent crime. If you're weighing them versus a race with with a 1 in 1000 chance, you'd favor the 1 in 1000 chance. That approach is rational even if on an individual basis it's discriminatory.

Now, on the other hand, if you do further testing (background / IQ tests) and they check out as fitting your criteria, and you THEN bar them based on the other generalized statistic, that's discriminatory and unreasonable. You're basically assuming they're the 1 in 100 despite further tests indicating otherwise.

>>1706218

Also I'm going to elaborate before someone goes "We're talking about humans not aliens race is arbitrary!"

I know - you could use the system for anything. You could use it for "person from east of city versus person from west of city", you could use it for cultural groups, you could use it for whatever. Choosing violent crime for my example was probably a poor choice due to its loaded connotations, but we could just as soon say "chance of seizures" or "likelihood to have more than 3 children" whatever. All I'm saying is that using statistical information, if available and trustworthy, is reasonable to use in the absence of specific information on the individual.

>>1701844
Proof by example fallacy.

>>1701844
Races exist, but autosomal DNA is the best marker for it. You should use up-to-date autosomal DNA plots before speaking out against certain races.

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>>1701844
Race doesn't real shitlord!

>>1706654
>outdated /tv/ memes
wew lad, you /pol/ dudes really need to keep up
maybe come up with your own memes rather than lapping others?

>>1706713
>dude african civilisation had nothing LMAO they were just in mud huts
>muh inventions

>>1706670
I am genuinely in shock that you believe half the shit you just wrote. How delusional can you actually be?

>>1701955
>Genetic diversity within populations is greater than the genetic diversity between populations
How is "genetic diversity" measured? Can you make this statement more precise? Because I think of outliers and that your statement could be practically meaningless

>>1706628
i did not attempt to prove anything in my op

>>1706717
White countries are stable, black countries are chaotic while white countries were chaotic in medieval times there were no black countries.
>>1706719
Emotions get in the way of rational reasoning so I dont care how you feel.

>>1706732
He's saying that out of all the genes that makes up our differences, only a small percentage actually codes for what we'd consider "race" and everything else has little to connection with "race".

>>1706695
ikr imagine using the >current year meme in the current year. Is /pol/ just not aware what year it is, or something?

>>1706762
>White countries are stable, black countries are chaotic while white countries were chaotic in medieval times there were no black countries.
What a complete generalisation, not to mention that there will be a massive reason for why 'black' countries are unstable (I imagine colonisation is one).
Plus, there was medieval kingdoms primarily inhabited by what we would call blacks, don't pull stuff our your arse
>Emotions get in the way of rational reasoning so I dont care how you feel.
Emotions are behind pretty much every human decision and thought.
>>1706786
Yeah man, I post troll face and the rules of the internet too!
H*lla f*ckin ep*c amirite?

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>>1704268
>Women are useless breeding vessels

>>1704268
>Women are useless breeding vessels
What are men? Useless insemination machines?

>>1706792
Colonialism is a meme the natives of South America got fucked up but still have better countries than african blacks. Those kingdomes werent medieval based on the "architecture" it looked as though even early Minoa was more advanced than any west african shitty kingdom. The paradox here is why are their countries such shitholes if they had kingdom? Simple the kingdoms were also shitholes as well yes the monarchy had lots of wealth since West Africa is goldmine but the commoners lived in shit.
>Emotions are behind pretty much every human decision and thought
Yes but emotions are not logical so they should be active during a debate.

>>1706762
>White countries are stable, black countries are chaotic
A vague and generalizing statement with no citation.
>white countries were chaotic in medieval times there were no black countries.
t. I haven't studied African history
Besides, even if Sub-Saharan Africa was less "advanced", Europe is part of Eurasia, with millions of cultures and trade routes while Sub-Saharan Africa was mostly isolated.
>Emotions get in the way of rational reasoning
He didn't express emotion, he expressed bewilderment, something any rational person would experience. Also the fact you consider yourself rational is hilarious.

>>1706808
>Colonialism is a meme the natives of South America got fucked up but still have better countries than african blacks.
You do realise colonialism isn't some monolithic process? Different countries undergo different changes as a result of it, thus impacting it in different ways.
Architecture is a single facet for how advanced someone might consider a civilisation.
>Yes but emotions are not logical so they should be active during a debate.
fetishising logic to such a degree comes from an emotional response

>>1706802
>What are men?
The only reason humans arent extinct.
>>1706813
>A vague and generalizing statement with no citation.
White countries low crime
Black countries high crime
White countries High HDI
Black countries Low HDI
White countries More wealth in a smaller area
Black countries less wealth in a larger more resource rich area
>and trade routes while Sub-Saharan Africa was mostly isolated.
Blacks could have started their own indepedent trading system with eachother they didnt have to wait for Caucasoids in North Africa to go HEY DUDES LOOK AT THESE CROPS I GOT MAN. Africa is really fucking big they could have done that but didnt so plz go with your HURR THEY WERE ISOLATED. Maya and Inca were more isolated than blacks YET STILL MADE FUCKING CIVILIZATIONS.
>He didn't express emotion, he expressed bewilderment
That is emotion moron any change in mental state that isnt pure indifference is emotion.
>Also the fact you consider yourself rational is hilarious
How am I not rational?

>>1706827
>The only reason humans arent extinct
Elaborate

>>1706808
>Colonialism is a meme
I want you to think really hard about this statement. Then I want you to slam your head into something hard because I can't do that over the internet.
>the natives of South America got fucked up
So you agree that colonialism has a negative impact?
>but still have better countries than african blacks.
Do you know literally anything about the state of South American countries?
>Those kingdomes werent medieval based on the "architecture"
Architecture is not a valid measure of "advancement"
>it looked as though even early Minoa was more advanced than any west african shitty kingdom.
t. I still know nothing about African history.

>>1706823
>You do realise colonialism isn't some monolithic process? Different countries undergo different changes as a result of it, thus impacting it in different ways.

What do you know, the natives in South America had it far worse than North American ones because they were at the mercy of Spaniards and Portuguese who are not like their nicer cousins in Britain. The Portuguese enslaved and completely genetically destroyed the natives of Brazil and left behind these negro hybrids of them that make up the main population of Brazil. Nothing like this has ever happened in Africa and the african people suffer from more horror from themselves than colonialism ever did, left to their own devices blacks just cause chaos and mass destruction.
>Architecture is a single facet for how advanced someone might consider a civilisation.
Such simple architecture is an indication of a lack of progress if even Minoans had more sophisticated ones.
>fetishising logic to such a degree comes from an emotional response
No a rational person simply follows logic.
>>1706833
Nice school system you got
Nice car you got there
Nice clothes you got there
Nice language you got there

Men invented everything and crafted all human tribal behavior women did nothing but swallow semen and cook.

>>1706739
Talking about racism fucking obviously

>>1706854
>Men invented everything and crafted all human tribal behavior women did nothing but swallow semen and cook.
fucking lol
this idea women only sat in huts cooking and popping out babies is absurd
you do realise women did do other work? For example women farmers would actually farm

>>1706854
>Nice school system you got
>Nice car you got there
>Nice clothes you got there
True

>Nice language you got there
Why would only men lead towards the development of spoken language?

>Men invented everything and crafted all human tribal behavior women did nothing but swallow semen and cook.

So we wouldn't be extinct we just wouldn't be advanced.

>>1706842
>I want you to think really hard about this statement. Then I want you to slam your head into something hard because I can't do that over the internet.
Plz go with your stupid emotions.
>So you agree that colonialism has a negative impact?
Colonialism is the only reason there is any technology in Sub African Africa. The negative impact is the blacks being too black to not fuck up everything europeans built then claim to be oppressed when in reality its their own behavior that is ruining the conditions of their living spaces just look at the violent hellholes that are black american majority areas in America.
>Do you know literally anything about the state of South American countries?
Most crime is caused by drug factions but most crime in Africa is caused by normal africans.
>Architecture is not a valid measure of "advancement"
Yes anon we all know Mike is the smart guy if he can make a titanium carbide fortress from the same material that Dylan used to make a simple shed.
>t. I still know nothing about African history.
What history? You mean the information europeans recorded because blacks were too lazy to make a writing system?

>>1706871
Oh no we would be extinct because women dont really have brains for leadership and rationality they would make very stupid decisions that would lead to the tribe dying.

>>1706872
You seem to have a very eurocentric (not even memeing) concept of what makes an 'advanced' and 'progressed' society.

>>1706869
Men taught the women how to farm as men invented farming. Men taught women everything.
>>1706884
It is obvious african kingdoms are not as advanced compared to the rest of the civilizations of the globe at that time, you have to be mentally retarded to not see that.

>>1706894
>It is obvious african kingdoms are not as advanced compared to the rest of the civilizations of the globe at that time, you have to be mentally retarded to not see that.
Define advanced, and tell me why advancement is good.
Drop the insults too.

>>1706827
>White countries low crime Black countries high crime bla bla bla
Again, vague generalizing statements.
>Blacks could have started their own indepedent trading system with eachother.
I don't think you realise how inhospitable pre-colonial Africa was or even how inhospitable it still is. There are no easily domesticatable plants or animals and everything that isn't erred desert and Savanna is impenetrable jungle filled with hungry predators who are ready to eat you. Most of Eurasia is fucking paradise compared to that and actually lends itself to agricultural society. Also Europe got civilization from Mesopotamia so I don't know what you're boasting about.
>Maya and Inca were more isolated than blacks YET STILL MADE FUCKING CIVILIZATIONS.
Those civilizations were hardly advanced compared to their Eurasian counter parts. Some of them didn't even develop metallurgy, unlike some civilizations in western Africa.
>That is emotion moron any change in mental state that isnt pure indifference is emotion.
You must be fun at parties HAL 9000.

>>1706894
>men invented farming
Do we actually know which gender invented farming?

>>1706827
>How am I not rational?
Because you're completely ignorant about in what way the things you listed are related

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>>1706898
>le technological relativity
>you making a perpetual motion machine is equal to timmy shitting his pants
See this is the reason why you're a virgin

>>1706912
>doesn't explain what constitutes and advanced society
>just calls me insults
stay incel

>>1706901
People like you make me happy.

>>1706827
>any change in mental state that isnt pure indifference is emotion.
If you actually believed this and still called yourself rational, you wouldn't be discussing this on a Mongolian ornithology board.

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>>1706917
Wow, looks like I struck a nerve there huh.

An advanced society is one that has a higher life expectancy than yours

>asks for explanation of how it's philosophically unsound
>most of thread focuses on how it's scientifically unsound

Plebs.

>>1706898
>tell me why advancement is good.
Are you black? This sentence cant be serious now.

Again the Congoid has existed Sub Saharan Africa for a long time yet only makes civilizations after two thousand years after the Caucasoid and Mongoloids. Even these civilizations are horrible in terms of advancement because they are very primitive compared to the rest of the globe.
>>1706901
>Again, vague generalizing statements.
Are you black?
>I don't think you realise how inhospitable pre-colonial Africa was or even how inhospitable it still is.
Yes its so inhospitable that arabs and whiteys built settlements without much issue.
> Savanna is impenetrable jungle filled with hungry predators who are ready to eat you.
You know what else is a jungle? Most of Southeast Asia but the Khmer Empire still happened so nice excuse you got there.
> Most of Eurasia is fucking paradise compared to that and actually lends itself to agricultural society.
The only reason Eurasians are not extinct is because of their intellect, blacks cant be found naturally beyond the range of Africa because it takes far more thinking power to thrive in Eurasian climates than in African ones its why the majority of blacks are found in the jungles of Africa and not far north in the deserts.
>Also Europe got civilization from Mesopotamia so I don't know what you're boasting about.
3000 years ago and Euros got writing from the Sumerians, they independently formed civilization.
>Those civilizations were hardly advanced compared to their Eurasian counter parts. Some of them didn't even develop metallurgy, unlike some civilizations in western Africa.
Yes anon metal rich Africa had metallurgy, but the architecture of Maya and Inca are more advanced than those simplistic african kingdoms. Also you keep igoring the fact THEY DID ALL OF THIS FROM COMPLETE SCRATCH. The Maya and Inca are the most impressive humans in history because they did everything in their societies from scratch without outside help.

>>1706912
>>1706929
>He's a frog poster
I feel like I should be surprised.

>>1706902
It was obviously men because we invented everything.
>>1706909
How am I ignorant?
>>1706923
Yes a rational person is someone that acts like a machine with absolutely zero emotion, all emotions are distractions from true rationality.

>>1706929
>An advanced society is one that has a higher life expectancy than yours
So it says nothing about how quality of life? It's just some arbitrary stat? Cool>>1706939
>Are you black? This sentence cant be serious now.
ebin
you didn't even tell me what advancement is, so next time try not to dodge the question

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>>1706944
>he doesn't have an argument

Really makes me think...

>>1706949
>It was obviously men because we invented everything
But do we have any concrete evidence to show that men invented farming? I could very well see women who were gatherers in tribes discovering agriculture

>>1706953
Tell me what tallness or fatness. You can't. But you can say that someone is taller or fatter than someone else. Same here

>>1706949
>Yes a rational person is someone that acts like a machine with absolutely zero emotion, all emotions are distractions from true rationality.

Do you have a social life? Any friends?

>>1706953
Advancement is the technological scale of a society, blacks were early bronze age while Euros were late middle ages.
>>1706958
Women dont have the brains to do that, men are the ones who see objects then process them in an analytical manner women see an object and process it in a simple minded emotional manner.

The dog is looking at me-Man
THE DOG IS SO CUTE OMG-Woman

>>1706966
Friends are a spook.

>>1706966
.....................................

Get back to main topic.

>>1706968
>Women dont have the brains to do that, men are the ones who see objects then process them in an analytical manner women see an object and process it in a simple minded emotional manner.

As someone who works with women I can half agree but I have to disagree on the brains part

>>1706949
>How am I ignorant?
You're dismissing every historical, economical, geopolitical, geographical and social factor that lead to the current situation of "black countries" in favour of your racial bias

>>1706968
>Advancement is the technological scale of a society,
Technology isn't a branch of upgrades in a videogame. Technology is gained, lost, spread, suppressed for any number of retarded reasons humans come up with.
Is modern society more or less advanced than the greeks and romans? We don't know how greek fire was made, nor how romans made their concrete. Why is it the Chinese invented the printing press and westerners knew this, but it took a german guy for it to actually gain popularity and spread in europe?

>>1706981
That is the natural state of their brain anon what you see today is men trying to civilized women but thats impossible because human women acted like this since Australopithecus times.

To a woman emotion is everything they base how much they like a person on how much he/she can emotionally stir them thus find people who act very civilized boring and people who act like unhinged children exciting and fun a quick way to keep a girl to start shit with her piss her off give her something to bitch about to her friends then completely ignore her complaints treat her like complete shit and she will suck your dick so hard. The problem is men have forgotten that women are not people so when they talk to you its an attempt to emotionally stir you into submission(or just try to piss you off to get off on your misery) that is why so many men fail with women today because you are not supposed to ever take a thing they say seriously.
>>1706982
Those factors are just neat excuses that very freaking fact that WHITE POOR PEOPLE IN SOUTH AFRICA HAVE BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS THAN BLACK AMERICANS SHOWS ITS THE RACIAL GENETICS THAT CAUSES ALL THE PROBLEMS.

I mean shit whens the last time you heard a poor white area in the news like ever.
>>1706996
Technology isnt lost its just reinvented, and of course modern society is more advanced than greeks. Greek fire was probably a chemical combustant that couldnt be extinguished with water.

>>1706939
>Are you black?
Why do you ask? So you can project your generalizations on me so you don't have to confront me like an individual? What if I told you I'm white?
>Yes its so inhospitable that arabs and whiteys built settlements without much issue.
They already had heavily domesticated crops and stock and advanced infrastructure. If you already have that, manipulating the land to your needs isn't hard. Starting from scratch however is.
>Most of Southeast Asia but the Khmer Empire still happened
Because being right next to China and the silk road had nothing to do with that.
>The only reason Eurasians are not extinct
Is because they live in hospitable, ariable lands with lots of availabe trade routes. Besides, Africans aren't extinct either so I don't see your point.
>blacks cant be found naturally beyond the range of Africa
Every other "race" on earth migrated from Africa you idiot.
>it takes far more thinking power to thrive in Eurasian climates
Oh yes, because more plentiful food and milder climates is so much harder to live in right?
>why the majority of blacks are found in the jungles of Africa and not far north in the deserts.
Because the Sahara is an inhospitable piece of shit that's fucking hard to traverse, even with post-colonial technology.
> they independently formed civilization.
Civilization only developed independently in five places in the world and none of them are in Europe. You're genuinely to Eurocentrist and I don't say that often or lightly.
>but the architecture of Maya and Inca are more advanced
Architecture is still not a valid measure of advancement.
>THEY DID ALL OF THIS FROM COMPLETE SCRATCH.
So did Africans. What's your point?

>>1707010
>Those factors are just neat excuses
Wow, nice going there, Mr. Reason Incarnated

>>1707010
>Technology isnt lost its just reinvented
What. More of this "technology is like a videogame skill tree everything technology that is possible is just locked until prereqs are met"

>>1707016
>Why do you ask? So you can project your generalizations on me so you don't have to confront me like an individual? What if I told you I'm white?
As I said before blacks dont care about something until it thrills their reptile brain so its easy to understand why a black cant understand why technological advancement is important.
>They already had heavily domesticated crops and stock and advanced infrastructure. If you already have that, manipulating the land to your needs isn't hard.
So what the blacks still could have done it.
>Because being right next to China and the silk road had nothing to do with that.
They still lived in a jungle land that is a biowarfare producing factory.
>Is because they live in hospitable, ariable lands with lots of availabe trade routes. Besides, Africans aren't extinct either so I don't see your point.
Yes because if Africans were extinct it would mean that Africa was too hard for them ot survive in, also Eurasia is not hospitable chief due to the shortage of food compared to Africa jackass Go ahead tell russians how hospitable their land is.
>Every other "race" on earth migrated from Africa you idiot.
No you idiot all humans outside of Africa came from a group of humans that left it 70,000 years ago.
>Oh yes, because more plentiful food and milder climates is so much harder to live in right?
Barely any food compared to Africa and the cold is an easy killer for any moron thats why it is so rare for euros to have IQs on par with blacks.
>Because the Sahara is an inhospitable piece of shit that's fucking hard to traverse, even with post-colonial technology.
Yes so hard to live in that North Caucasoids formed civilizations in it.
>Civilization only developed independently in five places in the world and none of them are in Europe. You're genuinely to Eurocentrist and I don't say that often or lightly.
No it developed indepently.

>>1707010
A couple of question:
1. Have you ever talked to a woman in real life besides your mom?
2. Do you base all of your knowledge of technology and advancement on Civ games?
3. Do you get all of your world news from /pol/?
4. Are you an Atheist or Christian? Don't worry, I'm not gonna generalize all atheists/christians on your embarrassing behavior, I'm genuinely curious.

>Architecture is still not a valid measure of advancement.
Its shows the technical engineering skill of a civilization showing their level of mathematical ability or intelligence.
>So did Africans. What's your point?
They were shit compared to Inca and Maya.
>>1707025
They are excuses there are too many contradictions to HURR MUH ENVIRONMENT HURR ITS SO HARD TO DOMESTICATE ZEBRA HURR ITS HOT HURR COLONIALISM HURRR.

Just give up already blacks fail becauase they are black anyone with a logical mind can see that.
>>1707046
Stop changing the subject idiot.

>>1707045
>why technological advancement is important.
But technological advancement isn't in and of itself important.
Technological advancement is a spook, you fucking nerd.

>>1707061
Mother nature gave us these brains for a reason and that was to advance ourselves our animalistic hunter gatherer states to a truely advanced species. Of course to the stupid advancement is not important if it cant get your dick wet why care am I right you pleasure seeking monkey?

>>1706138
Not him but you use statistical information daily and it's very useful. You should change you behavior if you predict that one individual is likely to murder you, for example. It's an evolutionary strategy. In many circumstances you just don't or can't know what the actual traits of the individual are so if you want to make the best decision you might consider to take into account the data before acting.

>>1707066
Stop turning 'nature' into a new deity. Nature didn't give us anything, since give implies intent.
You're so spooked it's unreal, I think you should be posting on /x/.

>>1707079
figure of speech retard.

>>1707066
>Mother nature gave us these brains for a reason
No. Don't anthropomorphize processes of nature.
>that was to advance ourselves our animalistic hunter gatherer states to a truely advanced species.
No. Don't anthropomorphize processes of nature.
>am I right you pleasure seeking monkey?
The only purpose to existence right now is pleasure for the ego. Even your precious technological advancement, the means are for pleasure and the ends are for pleasure.
Why live if not for pleasure?
Why live longer if not for pleasure?
Literally everyone disagrees with you. Even yourself.
If you really thought advancement was more important than pleasure you wouldn't be here and you would be working on something important instead, child.
>>1707082
It's a non-argument figure of speech or not. Why write it as if it was?

>>1707082
You're figure of speech is influencing your views then.
Don't do that.

>>1703361
The people saying racist things never never have real science though.

>>1707045
>As I said before blacks dont care about something until it thrills their reptile brain...
I'm just gonna leave this hanging in the air.
>So what the blacks still could have done it.
They literally couldn't. Terra forming Africa is nearly impossible to do unless you already have the equipment which Europeans had and Africans hadn't.
>They still lived in a jungle land that is a biowarfare producing factory.
Yes. Imagine how much harder that would be to live in if you didn't have connections to China and the Silk road.
>No you idiot all humans outside of Africa came from a group of humans that left it 70,000 years ago.
So exactly what I just said?
>Barely any food compared to Africa
Hit yourself really hard
> the cold is an easy killer
It is. Which is why civilization was brought there from the Mediterranean which in turn got it from Mesopotamia.
>Yes so hard to live in that North Caucasoids formed civilizations in it.
The north African coast is not the same is Sahara. Learn geography.
>No it developed indepently.
No, it literally didn't.

>>1707055
At least answer my last question, I genuinely want to know.

>>1703361
>races aren't real all humans are the same
No one who isn't racist actually thinks that. We all know humans are different, we're saying modern social conceptions of race are wrong and unscientific.

>>1707088
>No. Don't anthropomorphize processes of nature
Yes it did ice age creating a field where humans with mutations selected more towards critical thinking and empathy is the reason we are smart today, the blacks are different from us because they had no ice age selections thus they remained the same since their beginning while we became much smarter than our savage pure human ancestors.
>>1707110
>Yes. Imagine how much harder that would be to live in if you didn't have connections to China and the Silk road.
Oy mate they lived in a jungle and blacks lived in a jungle and Maya lived surrrounded by jungles just stop with the excuses already.
>So exactly what I just said?
No retard there was no white or asian the humans that migrated from Africa are our common ancestor to the blacks but we did not look a thing like them.
>Hit yourself really hard
It is an enigma how blacks dont go extinct but thats solved by so much food being all over the african landscape but more sparse Europe that has no game blacks would go extinct.
>The north African coast is not the same is Sahara. Learn geography.
Egypt formed in the middle of the country Egypt.

Look blacks are just TOO different they should not be allowed to live around Caucasoids and Mongoloids or in societies formed by humans from those races, blacks should be left in Africa and forced to stay there and never leave let the Congoid destroy their countries and never help them either. All of this food aid is is delaying the inevitable collapse of every african country due to its black population.

Only altruistic lunatics have a problem with my idea. BOO HOO think of the poor black kids that starve, if blacks dont give a damn how many millions of their cousins in Africa are dying why should we?
>but blacks are human too
Indeed but psychologically they are incompatible with us and shoudl always be isolated from us this includes even blacks that act like decent people.

>>1707154
>excuses
explanations aren't excuses

>>1707154
>the blacks are different from us because they had no ice age selections thus they remained the same since their beginning while we became much smarter than our savage pure human ancestors.
>A standard deviation below
>Much smarter
If you really cared so much about intelligence you would kill yourself so you stop bringing down the mean so much.
I love how racists try to dehumanize blacks as if they are literally animal tier intelligence by exaggeration as if that justifies mistreatment of other people.

>>1707173
They arent explanations they are just excuses, all attempts at trying to find genetic links to black failure are prevented because of Political Correctiveness, I mean the blacks have been free for about 50 years yet still havent done jackshit to improve themselves it was always us the whiteys that tried to improve blacks we made so many stupid programs for them and they are still the most dangerous psychopathic ethnicity in North America. Its a waste of time dealing with blacks just send them all to Africa and let them butcher eachother like you see in North American streets or in Sub Saharan African villages.

>>1707214
True black IQ ranges from 58-68 that 84 is just white genes amplifying the intelligence of the American negro. Also if you had any brain cells you would realize even stupid white people are still smarter than normal blacks because a white must be very obvious signs of mental retardation to have black american IQ and a white must be drooling to have african IQ.
>If you really cared so much about intelligence you would kill yourself so you stop bringing down the mean so much.
Yes because one person can drop the mean of population you are so fucking retarded.
>I love how racists try to dehumanize blacks as if they are literally animal tier intelligence
Because that is what blacks are as a majorit, the smart negros are just outliers the idiots are the majority of blacks in every single black population on earth. That is why the dominant culture of black american is obviously something that savage idiots(rap and hip-hop) would pride on and not decent upstanding black people(jazz and soul).

>>1707154
>Oy mate they lived in a jungle
Right next to China and the Silk road.
>and blacks lived in a jungle
Far away from China and the Silk road.
>and Maya lived surrrounded by jungles
Didn't even develop Metallurgy independently. inb4 "muh architecture"
> the humans that migrated from Africa are our common ancestor
70.000 years isn't really a long time in evolutionary scales. They would've been very almost indistinguishable from modern humans.
>It is an enigma how blacks dont go extinct but thats solved by so much food being all over the african landscape
You're imagining a solution to something that isn't a problem. Not only that but your solution is wrong with no factual basis.
>Egypt formed in the middle of the country Egypt.
Yes. Around the Nile which is a extremely fruitful place that lends itself well to agriculture.

>they are incompatible with us and shoudl always be isolated from us this includes even blacks that act like decent people.
>even blacks that act like decent people.
If you're admititng that blacks can behave "decently" by western standards, you're literally admitting they have the cognitive ability to function in western society. You literally don't even understand your own arguments.

>>1707244
>Far away from China and the Silk road.
Aw poor blackies didnt have Chang to steal ideas from boo hoo.
>Didn't even develop Metallurgy independently. inb4 "muh architecture"
You have any clue how fucking hard it would be to mine metals in Central America? Africa has iron all over the place.
>70.000 years isn't really a long time in evolutionary scales. They would've been very almost indistinguishable from modern humans.
Yes like Australians look exactly like British people or Puerto Ricans look exactly like Spaniards or Native Americans look exactly like the Yakutst of Siberia because surely humans dont change appearance rapidly at all no way dude.
>Yes. Around the Nile which is a extremely fruitful place that lends itself well to agriculture.
Why couldnt the blackies in North Africa do the same ding dong?
>If you're admititng that blacks can behave "decently" by western standards, you're literally admitting they have the cognitive ability to function in western society. You literally don't even understand your own arguments.
Yes anon some have the ability and by some I mean 10% of them and about 2% of the african population. I really dont care how many Neil DeGrasse Tysons America shits out because THE BLACKS ARE ALWAYS MORONS AS A MAJORITY meaning any length of time could pass like say 500 years and blacks will be violent idiots as a majority. I mean if blackies had lots of smarties why are they so fucking stupid as a majority? Simple because ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE THEM SMART AS MAJORITY.

See normal blacks are dumb and very sociable so they breed more as we can see in our cities today, smart blacks breed more slowly, there are already a vast amount of stupid blacks compared to the smart ones so the smarties end up remaining as genetic outliers until there are environmental factors that start filtering out the morons which would in turn boost the african IQ mean overtime.

>>1704273
I looked through the thread but didn't see the studies...let me guess, you went to find the evidence and it turns out it doesn't exist?

The only reason you even see smart blackies is due to us we are the only reason they can even exist, back in Africa smarties were often bullied or killed randomly, by making civilization we create a filter that selects for smarter blacks to thrive but blacks destroy civilization meaning eventually the smarties are gonna dissapear without whitey maintaining the filter. You see this in America today where blacks are hostile to members of their own that act like civilized people.

Neil DeGrasse Tyson knows he would be screwed if it were not for whiteys, blacks are dumb people being smart is more a hindrance than a benefit in a black population. If there were any selections for intelligence then Africa would have been much different than we see in our history. Meaning there is a 0% chance of blacks ever becoming intelligent as a majority unless they all leave Africa.

It's philosophically unsound but politically inevitable.

>>1707272
>You have any clue how fucking hard it would be to mine metals in Central America?
There were central american civlisations with metalwork, so it certainly wasn't impossible.

>>1707314
Well thats cool.

>>1706186
Not him, but men have a higher rate of crime than women; Yet we all agree it would be absurd to try and control men as though they were all potential criminals.

>>1707272
>Aw poor blackies didnt have Chang to steal ideas from boo hoo.
The majority of civilization stole it from someone else. Again, it only developed independently in five places in the entire world, everyone else simply got it from those five places.
>You have any clue how fucking hard it would be to mine metals in Central America?
Mesoamericans don't develop an advanced technology? Oh it's just because of the environment, nothing more.
Africans didn't develop an advanced technology? HURR DURR FUCKING RETARDS SUBHUMAN MONKIES HUUUUUURRRRRR.
>Yes like Australians look exactly like British people or...
You know exactly what I mean when I say "modern human". No wait, you don't because you're a retarded racist who doesn't know shit about evolutionary biology.
>Why couldnt the blackies in North Africa do the same ding dong?
There were nearly no blacks in northern Africa. Very few humans actually migrated through the Sahara. Those that were, were pushed out by Mesopotamians who settled there later.

I'm not even gonna respond to the rest you wrote. I feel like I lost brain cells just by reading that.

Btw you didn't answer if you were an atheist or Christian.

>>1701844
I think we're starting to relearn that discriminating based on race in an immigration sense is conducive to a functioning society.

There are multiple examples of failed attempts at this, the majority of the western world are doing it now. Meanwhile Japan and places like Hungary, who are going through population issues, haven't started importing hundreds of thousands from different races and cultures.

It really doesn't make sense to do that to your country. I think the people who push for multiracialism and multiculturalism should be the ones required to make a case for it, because it goes against nature.

>>1706066
you misunderstand the point

if a trait is not genetically expressed, natural selection can't amplify it.

improvements in eye function, height, etc, is genetically expressed and therefore over time selection can enhance it.

if intelligence is not genetically expressed, there is no mechanism for humanity to get smarter over time.

it means that intelligence is a genetic trait. there's no doubt about this. if it wasn't, lizards wouldn't be smarter than nematoads, and monkeys wouldn't be smarter than rats.

>>1707336
>Mesoamericans don't develop an advanced technology? Oh it's just because of the environment, nothing more.
>Africans didn't develop an advanced technology? HURR DURR FUCKING RETARDS SUBHUMAN MONKIES HUUUUUURRRRRR.

Yes anon because being in resource rich Africa is the same as being on two isolated continents with no FUCKING ANIMALS THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE USED LIKE HORSES.

Remember jackass most of our tropical crops came from the agricultural artificial selection of the Mesoamericans.
>You know exactly what I mean when I say "modern human". No wait, you don't because you're a retarded racist who doesn't know shit about evolutionary biology.
So they have the same shape as us thats what you were saying because to claim the humans that left Africa looked exactly like us is completely buttfucking retarded I mean do you see how different the faces of us Cauasoids are from Europe, to the middle east and to India yet you claim the lifeform that we and the asians came from looked exactly like us you are a fucking idiot.
>There were nearly no blacks in northern Africa. Very few humans actually migrated through the Sahara. Those that were, were pushed out by Mesopotamians who settled there later.

No blackies were everywhere except the south in Africa they were always in North Africa as desert tribes you can even see cave paintings in some areas in Chad showing blacks hunting shit in North Africa.

Also while the population is sparse there are lots of tribes in Saharan Africa.
>Those that were, were pushed out by Mesopotamians who settled there later.
The only ones moving through the Sahara was North African Caucasoids who already settled there in the first place, pushed out by Sumerians what the fuck are you talking about?
>I'm not even gonna respond to the rest you wrote. I feel like I lost brain cells just by reading that.
Its feels that way because you think with stupid emotions but turn off your emotions and think rationally for once.

>>1707347
>multiculturalism
>against nature

Please look up what the term means, there are way too many countries on earth that have a diversity of cultures.

>>1707334
its inevitable to have men in your country

and in some sense we are obviously doing something like that

men are more likely to be a suspect of a violent crime than women

>>1706872
>Yes anon we all know Mike is the smart guy if he can make a titanium carbide fortress from the same material that Dylan used to make a simple shed.
>Current Year, not knowing the difference between architecture and materials science.

>>1707371
No its against nature, also India has the surface area of a small continent before you use that to justify diversity of cultures.

>>1707360
You know, I don't really feel like arguing with you anymore. You're brain is made of bricks and I don't think I could get an ounce of reason into your head if I was beating it in with a sledge hammer.

I'm just gonna hide this thread now, I'll let other anons argue with you if they want, I have better things to do. You can say that I left because I have no counter arguments and I'm an idiot, I know you'll say that. You can call me an emotional coward if you want, you can say you had the last laugh. I don't care. I wont be responding. There's nothing I could gain from that.

With the risk of sounding melodramatic.

Just know I fell sorry for you. You wont understand why. Maybe some day you will. Maybe you'll die without knowing why. I wont find out. You'll probably forget. Now I can only hope for you to live a happy life.

Get better soon. I wish a bright future for you.

>>1707426
If you cannot see the logic in my post then you are just deficient in critical thinking a trait along of Americans have today.

>>1707426
I'm not that other poster but you're a fucking retard, even if the other guy does have some facts mixed up

You address everything with a politicall correct tautology and never actually address evidence

>>1707384
your another one deifying nature
nothing is 'against' nature since nature lacks any and all intent, it describes a set of natural processes and phenomenons, placing any importance on it is spooks

>>1707486
nature does have a telos though. increased heirarchy and exotropic complexity over time is a law of the universe which has been built into organic systems.

later organisms are more complex molecularly and mechanically than earlier organisms. just because organisms take stochastic pathways does not mean there isn't a fairly clear goal.

not htat I'd expect you guys to understand any of this

>>1707486
Every single non white country has a dominant ethnic population that is all the proof you need to see multiculturalism is a load of shit and unnatural.

>>1702019
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

>>1707508
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
>A number of studies have reached the conclusion that IQ tests may be biased against certain groups.[66][67][68][69] The validity and reliability of IQ scores obtained from outside the United States and Europe have been questioned, in part because of the inherent difficulty of comparing IQ scores between cultures.[70][71] Several researchers have argued that cultural differences limit the appropriateness of standard IQ tests in non-industrialized communities.[72][73]
kek, nice sources, good thing there's a dozen of them for this very short sentence

>>1701976
>adjusted for cultural and economic backgrounds
>implying there has been enough accurate testing on that

>>1703365
le frog meme le XDDD

>>1706996
>Is modern society more or less advanced than the greeks and romans
What a stupid fucking question. Consider suicide
>We don't know how greek fire was made, nor how romans made their concrete
Yet we have better alternatives

>>1703441
That's bullshit.

>>1707334
We need men to continue the race.

We don't need nigs.

Argument = wrecked

>>1707548
>darkies aren't dumb that's racist!
>have them do an IQ test
>these objective tests are racist against them!

Kek.

If you can't falsify the results then muddle the explanation

>>1701844
What do you mean by racism?
Gobineau was wrong.

>>1701844
racism was created to keep a permanent underclass

>>1703326

>/pol/ retards want to say "aha! Blacks are on average dumber! Therefore I am smarter because I am white!

This is exactly it. They don't have any redeeming individual qualities so they identify with a group they see as superior (even if the superiority of that group doesn't translate to them at all).

>>1703326

>/pol/ retards want to say "aha! Blacks are on average dumber! Therefore I am smarter because I am white!

This is exactly it. They don't have any redeeming individual qualities so they identify with a group they see as superior (even if the superiority of that group doesn't translate to them at all)..

>>1707825
this may be true but it doesn't stop blacks from being much dumber on average because of genetics.

your one liner that interrupts his reality doesn't mean your reality prevails either.

the uncomfortable truth is that blacks are basically incapable of math, and that only one in 10 blacks is as smart as the average white. because of genetics.

>>1707918

What lel?
You really turning genetics into some magic word that solves everything.

>>1707959
in order for a trait to be in a population, it needs to be selected for by natural selection. in order to be selected, it needs to be genetically determined.

if yuo killed a population based on an arbitrary nongenetic factor, such as a number pained on their back, there would be no variation between generations as the result.

in order for monkeys to develop intelligence, their intelligence needed to be selected on genetically, by selection.

that process never stopped. intelligence is necessarily a genetic capacity.

>>1707825
If the mean black IQ is in the range of the mildly retarded range(for white people) then it means most white people on earth are smarter than the fast majority of blacks. This is nothing to celebrate really its more of a horrifying implications.
>>1707959
Genetics is the reason behind everything you do dumbass.

Why can you read? because your brain is genetically capable of doing that level of cognition

Why can you be influenced by music? Because your primate brain dictated by your genes is affected by it..

Why cant you change your sexual orientation?
Because your genes says you like girls end of discussion.

Why can you resist the urge to murder someone once you get mad? Because your genes allow you to empathize with someone so you feel guilty at the thought of harming someone.

Nurture is a meme that only applies to childhood once you are a teen your brain is stuck like it is forever, and your personality only changes based on your hormonal levels thats why sweet boy can become supreme douchebags in their teenage years, and why innocent black boys can become bloodthirsty psychos in their teen years.

Humans are just biological machinery dictated by their programming code or DNA and you cant deny that faggot.

what do you think of the debate between jared taylor and the leftist political science prof about diversity ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-NgerkFMdA

>>1701844
Science has already proven race is highly insignificant in genetics. There's more genetic variances within races than between them.

>>1710032
L E W O N T I N ' S

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Read about it, leftie

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Can we at least agree on this:

Germanics = pneumatics

Other whites, japanese = psychics

Other races, women = hylics

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>>1701844
Racism when no one has it is a good thing. However, if even one person shows ingroup preference then suddenly you have a society not based on merit, but instead other irrelevant factors.

Ultimately the idea of a Merit based society it what the ideal is. We can never get their because even if you don't use race as a basis of preference, you will use other factors such as friendship, attractiveness, physical features, personal histories, etc.

So it really doesn't matter if you are NOT racist. In fact it's better to be racist so that other groups who are racist don't get the advantage of collusion over you.

>>1701844
>why is racism philosophically unsound ?
I suppose it depends on where you start from. Which depends on your values.

>>1702113
Proof racemixing should be banned.

>>1701844
Lol why is this thread up?

>>1710055
absolutely wrong, you can´t even penetrate the outer teaching

>>1711190
>In fact it's better to be racist so that other groups who are racist don't get the advantage of collusion over you.

If you are the minority you lose out on numbers hard. Even if your minority group were well off you'd lode out in some important field or the ofcourse previously mentioned population difference.

>>1711310
The Majority can live without the minority. The opposite not really.

Even with a minority that is richer then the majority there's a huge caveat that comes that makes the minority heavily tied to the majority and in many cases that minority was empowered by an outside force into that position. The privilege that the higher status minority had eventually will erode once the majority catches up.

>>1707918
>basically incapable of math
That's bullshit and you know it.

>>1705171
If you go by murder rates alone there is far more violence today. Mostly at the hands of blacks.

Race is real, and the existence of mixed race people does not disprove that (at least no more so than the existence of orange disproves colour, as it is 'between' red and yellow).

Most people, whether conscious of it or not, do display preference for the company and sexual attention of those most similar to them. Even more obvious is the preference for people who are culturally similar. For the most part, culture and race/ethnicity are inextricably linked.

People laugh when the prevalence of Neanderthal DNA in non-sub-Saharan Africans is mentioned. But how can it not be relevant to acknowledge that part of the genetic makeup of the average European, Asian and Amerindian comes from a lineage which has been distinct from that of Black Africans for at least a quarter-of-a-million years? Or that that may have some impact on the way in which these respective groups function?

Ironically, in a cultural sense, the fact that we have had some integration is the reason the overall project of 'multiculturalism' has failed and overt 'racism' is increasing. Because a few migrants settled reasonably well into their communities, Western governments and natives convinced themselves that more could be accommodated on the strength of a '1 did no harm, so why would 2?' basis. People are also reluctant to see beyond their own direct experiences to consider those of others. If I live next door to a Muslim who enjoys whiskey and bacon sandwiches, it shouldn't negate the fact that there is another one at the end of the street who distributes leaflets advocating Sharia Law, and who buys rather a lot of fertiliser for a chap with such a small garden.

>>1710032
How is race not significant? There are genes that only people in certain races have. Why is it so hard for you people to not admit that every aspect of the human species was caused by natural selection meaning its is IMPOSSIBLE FOR ALL HUMANS TO BE EQUALLY SMART at different latitude positions Im sorry but thats just reality.

>>1711501
Because you're wrong

>>1711572
>>1711589

Jesus Christ there's so much fucked up with this post It's like is it a meme post of someone seriously ignorant of the world's history?

>>1710039
The problem with using Lewontin's fallacy as a justification for classification of races is that, if you were to classify by looking at alleles, you can arbitrarily choose which alleles you look at.

There is no reason not to classify people into race by hair colour or whether you're left-handed, rather than other arbitrary gene loci.

Furthermore, actual gene clustering patterns absolutely don't map to the folk races by continent ("White", "Asian"), which is why even hardcore racists can't come to an agreement on just how many races there are. And, actually, people vastly overestimate how many genes they share with their local neighbours, in comparison to how many they share with humans from all over the world. You could easily take a 100.000 people town anywhere in Europe and see patterns of genetic difference from the north half of the town and the lower half of the town, creating a "Northern Exampletown Race" and "Lower Exampletown Race". People from Northern Tuscany may share more gene clusters with people from Lower Finland than with people from Lower Tuscany, people from from Eastern Germany may share more with Bretons, while sharing less with Northern Germans. The variation is especially high in Africa. People from Eastern Africa, who don't have sickle cell anemia, by the way, may share much more with people from the Levantine or Hungary, rather than with Western or Southern Africans.

Even if one agreed that races existed, the folk races do not map to reality at all.

You come from a presumption that is is bad
It is not
recognizing diferences between groups is useful
not recognizing associations of traits in individuals and groups is bad
>>1701858
nice argument from bad consequences breh
>>1701909
egalitarianism is a spook
>>1701916
The fact that no one can come to a 100% agreement on what race is and who belongs to it
doesnt prove it doesnt exist
>>1707279
not even that poster but are you honestly saying that men and women arent different?
If they have significant differences should we not treat them differently?

>>1706762

>there were no black countries.

What is Ethiopia, Mali, Songhay, etc.

>>1713883
If blackies are so civilized why do they still have the absolute worst countries on the planet? You really think those west african kingdoms were koombaya oh hell no they were pure chaos as any place congested with blacks is. Not to mention those kingdoms were disgustingly primitive they had no medieval era technology at all.

>>1711501
And what genes would those be? You're revolving genetics around race.

>>1713908
Race is dictated by genetics you retarded fuck, a certain selection of genes together makes the race of a person.

>>1713564
races are biological groups but not all biological groups are races

>>1701955
This
Read Claude Levi-Strauss, Race and History
It's a small (50p?) introduction on the concept of race by one of the most respected anthropologist
>Inb4 "he's a jew, you cuck"

>>1701976
>Transcultural IQ test
>IQ test

Nigger tier pseudoscience

>>1701976
culture and economy IS intelligence

>>1703372
Did you read the thread before shitposting?
IQ test are inherently flawed.
Do you know how IQ test are conducted?
Probably not, because you would know why it is not possible to test people from different cultures.
First you assume everybody has the same mastery of the language, which is not true at all.
You assume everybody has the same relation toward education and the education system...
Basically you asume that intelligence is the mastery of what your culture judges the best. (mathematics, writing and reading skills, cartesian logic, scientifical method, history, arts...)
Then you apply these criterias to a different culture that does not value the same cultural products, aaaaaand, by magics you find that people from your own culture are the best at mastering your culture. Gg wp easy, you just proved you're ethnocentrist and have no clue about science.

>>1703406
Could you elaborate for the sake of scientifical knowledge, with strong academic sources please?

>>1703623
More like
>ITT: /pol/ is BTFO in 10 post but keep arguing with each other about the genetic transmission of social and cultural behaviors
This thread is gold

>>1713990
>simplifying complex things into so few factors
That's how you know someone is full of shit.

>>1703406
lewontins fallacy is just a name of the paper discussing an apparent mistake

its not a formal fallacy its not even proven to be an informal fallacy

>>1714152
you know someone is full of shit when they say "but you can't do that you have to look at the larger picture it's more complex than that"

no it isn't

>>1711487
Absolutely false.
On crime rates and violence in occident, read Robert Muchembled, A history of violence

>>1701844
I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with thinking that people of other races or ethnicities are different in different ways but from a moral standpoint the golden rule still applies and you should treat others with the same tolerance and respect you wish for them to show to you.