Is there any historical example of a non-agrarian society functioning without conventional currency?
>non agrarian
>society
>barter only
Probably not, but I'd be interested in learning.
Were Mongols non-agrarian? They had a meat/dairy heavy diet I'm sure. I know they used chinese silver and paper money just after Genghis Khan's death, but perhaps there was a period before they adopted coinage.
>>1678308
I didn't necessarily mean completely non-agrarian. I was hinting more towards at least partially industrialized states.
To me both conventional and state capitalism seems retarded, but I can't get my head around any sort of system that excludes conventional currency in a modern context.
I'm not coming from a socialist angle in which I'd like everyone to be (socio-economically) equal, but I do not want value created and regulated by national and international institutions nor a system in which the market has to progressively expand, thus the goods and services producers fabricating demand otherwise the economy collapses.
>>1678387
Most industrialized states go to great lengths to monetize their economy.
Early American colonists used leaves to create unique patterns to make their homebrew paper currency difficult to counterfeit.
Really, as long as you have the technology to make paper from wood pulp, it's difficult to not have a money economy.
>>1678397
>it's difficult to not have a money economy.
I don't have a problem with currency, money or otherwise in itself, what I have a problem with is where its value is generated from and how it shapes the society.
Basically this is my itch:
>the market has to progressively expand, thus the goods and services producers fabricating demand otherwise the economy collapses
The only alternative seems to be de jure communism as it has been done before, but it only acts as an imposed economic equalizer for most people, hiding the symptom of high wealth discrepancy, while the problem inherent to modern economy remains.
>>1678417
Well, prior to the 20th century, precious metals backed most of the world's currencies.
>the market has to progressively expand, thus the goods and services producers fabricating demand otherwise the economy collapses
wat
Japan has been stagnant for 25 years now.
>>1678424
Japan might be stagnant, but it's still interlinked with the global economy and has a consumerist society.
I'm not well versed in economics, so I'm probably doing a bad job explaining myself. Basically what I am interested in is a sort of organic economy in which offer is generated by honest, 'utilitarian' demand. In pre-modern societies, nobles still indulged in hedonistic consumption, but that was a result of (their) surplus of wealth and was mostly characterized by an excessive consumption of conventional goods(alcohol, food etc), while the economy was intended to fulfill base needs and develop the living conditions(infrastructure and what not).