The WW2 history books I have all point to one thing that, according

>>1674655

The German populace was uneasy about war with the great western powers until Germany btfo France. After that they were largely pro war

>>1674655
Anyone who can achieve what they did in that picture is not wrong, in anything they do. They simply conflict with other ideals.

The way Hitler mobilized the German peoples is insanely awesome. You have to take away what he did, but Great Man is really a thing.

>>1674667
By this logic, does that mean Muhammad couldn't be wrong in anything he did? His accomplishments and conquests are vast and his influence is felt 1500 years later

>>1674659

I see.

So how did this change when their huge successes started to decline?

Did the German people had a choice in the start of this war? or was the decision of the fuhrer definitive?

>>1674684
The Prophet ( Al Mudathir li Nas)
Was the last messenger and prophet sent by God to guide humanity to the right way.
How could he be wrong?

>>1674711
Well, after the polish invasion and British declaration of war, it was a true fight that they probably thought they could win easily.

But after their declaration of war against the Soviets and the US, the only other option was to give up and let the enemy fuck your shit from three different directions.

>>1674667
>Anyone who can achieve what they did in that picture is not wrong, in anything they do
sounds like emotional reasoning to me kek

>>1674667

But was what he achieved good? Was a war really necessary? Could such a conflict been avoided?

>>1674767
Good for the German people, most definitely.

No, Hitler tried to avert war almost embarrassingly often. Churchill, for one, refused Hitler's peace plans more than once.

Yes, but Britain accepting Germany's hegemony over Europe; something which Britain has never been happy with, a sole hegemon in Europe, not only Germany.

>>1674877

Your second point about averting the war made me think.

As I studied the bits that happened before the war.

I do remember how Hitler demanded many things from Chamberlain, with the subtle warning of there being a war if such requisite wasn't met.

Did Churchill had any say in this in 1939? Wasn't it mostly Chamberlain the one doing the talking with Hitler?

Whether he was or not, the thing is that accepting Hitlers peace plans involved handling Europe to Hitler. I don't really blame Churchill for refusing.

But, personally, I wouldn't think of Hitler as somebody who tried to avert the war. I dont know if this is true or not, but I remember descriptions of him making demonstrations of his huge military power to Daladier and Chamberlain in parades that lasted quite a while.

Personally I think he just couldn't wait any longer for him to strike.

>>1674667
>all these people support this guy so clearly he must be in the right

Nice bandwagon.

>>1674667

>Anyone who can achieve what they did in that picture is not wrong

>Large crowd = Always Right

PSY confirmed for did nothing wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4Z0S1wRWlA

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"Hitler will have no war, but he will be forced into it, not this year but later..." (The Jewish Emil Ludwig, Les Annales, June, 1934)

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>>1674877
>Good for the German people, most definitely.

>>1675103

But Hitler wanted this war?

>>1675111
LEL THIS IS SO FUNNY

here's something for you to jerk off to, mr. edgelord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkQ6J5F01Do

>>1675112
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/nothanks/wwr00.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMohuVwBC0Q

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>>1674877
>Good for the German people, most definitely.

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>>1675122
Hey, you're the one who thinks what Hitler achieved was good for the German people.

I mean, anyone who can mobilize people to wave some flags can't be wrong in causing this, right?

>>1675122

Were Hitlers peace offers really peace offers? or were they demands in order to have peace?

>>1675122
>>1675122
lel the swastikas in the paragraph breaks really sell the logic

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>>1675135
He assured France on every possible occasion of his desire to live at peace with her. He repeatedly renounced in plain terms any claim to Alsace-Lorraine. On the return to the Reich of the Saar territory as the result of the plebiscite, he declared on March 1, 1935:

[10] "It is our hope that through this act of just compensation, in which we see a return to natural reason, relations between Germany and France have permanently improved. Therefore as we desire peace, we must hope that our great neighbor is ready and willing to seek peace with us. It must be possible for two great people to join together and collaborate in opposing the difficulties which threaten to overwhelm Europe."

"We have had a further meeting to-day and have agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for the two countries and for Europe.
We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."

September 30, 1938. Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain."

>>1675135

Hitler's own book basically said, "Yo, we should go to Russia and take their land. And if we have to shoot them all to get it, then that's okay cause they're subhuman commies!"

Hitler believed that Germany needed more land for agriculture, or they would starve to death. Unless his beliefs radically changed after writing his book, he pretty much had to go to war to get that land.

>>1675151
>it's out of context
>it's twisting the facts
>Meanwhile >>1675153
Is this some kid of stormcuck version of taqqiya?

>>1675151
He then invaded France

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>>1675153
Yes yes, of course it was about agriculture. It's not like USSR was planning on breaking the act and attack Germany.

>>1675153
He also said in his second book that France should be lose most of it's territory so it'll never be a threat to Germany again.

>>1675170
We will literally never know that although it does seem likely. And even if it had been true then he fucked up badly by acting as the agressor instead of waiting for a country that was already pretty much a pariah on the international state to launch an unprokoved invasion and thus being able to paint Germany as the victim, maybe even get international help because in 1939 every relevant country hated the commies much more than the nazis.

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>>1675177
"On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, The American Hebrew.

>>1675170

According to his own book, it WAS about agriculture.

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>>1675200
Mein Kampf =/= WW2

>>1675196

I'm not sure why you even think that's an inflammatory statement. By then Jews around the world knew about the Nuremburg laws so they had no reason to NOT openly hate Hitler at that point.

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>>1675210

>>1675209

If it wasn't about agriculture then he shouldn't have said it was about agriculture.

>>1675211
I'm sure glad those steelworkers got a better deal.

>>1675211

>Germany passes tons of laws specifically to destroy Jewish businesses

>Why would the Jews boycott German businesses?

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>>1675219
What is Nationalism?

>>1675221

Maybe?

>>1675221

context?

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there's pretty much no point in posting this since /his/ is full of niggers and liberals but I'll try anyways

1918 German Revolution where Jewish commies tried to take over Germany, 20,000 people died. Think of it as akin to living in the state of Montana and having an army of Islamic extremists who are not even native to the land, try and take over. Rudolf Hess cited it as the inception of his anti-semitism and it wasn't until a few years after him and Hitler had started hanging out that Mein Kampf was even written. Not only that but Bolshevism and Jews were dancing hand in hand at this point. I should also add there was an enormous push by Jewish media of sexual degeneracy during that time - similar to what we see in the US today.

https://www.darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/

It was also a war of Germany rejecting Jewish media influence, and Jewish international bankers.

It was also a war of other countries wanting to expand. Stalin was working to expand into much of Europe and wanted to annex Finland among a few others. Stalin offered peace if he could do so but Hitler realized this was only a temporary fix to the solution and war was inevitable.

>>1674740
>>1675043
>>1675088


Look at all those Germans united in their hatred for jews though. HItler was only killing jews, so therefore all those Germans wanted jews dead, rite? xD

Retard.

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>>1675249
Jews hypnotizing FDR to sign and declare war on Germany.

>>1674667
>look at those pretty flags, he must b right :^)

>>1675460

It's not like he had any choice. Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor.

>>1675437

I really don't know what you're even trying to say at this point.

Sarcasm doesn't work very well on the internet you know.

>>1675561
Actually you can always choose to ignore declarations of war. Japan did exactly that when Poland declared war on it in WW2.

>>1675627

Japan was probably too busy fighting the US dude. Poland was a low priority at that point.

>>1675627
>you can choose to ignore declarations of war

I'm sure that would have stopped the U-Boats from attacking American ships.

>>1674667

>dude hitler was a gud he dindu nuffin

Kys, stormnigger

>>1675103

Except Hitler wanted war, by expanding across the world

>>1675435
>20,000 people died

Most of them Commies. Or did you not notice just how much of a disparity of force the Freikorps had over the Munich SFR?

>>1675627
Fun Fact: The U.S. took like 7 months to respond to Eastern Europe declaring war on them.

Like, 7 months of the U.S. Ambassador going

"Are you SURE you want to declare war on the world's greatest industrial power, Romania?"

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>>1675627

I love how all Wehraboo arguments eventually boil down into: "Yeah, sure Hitler declared war on you, but that doesn't mean you had to fight back!"

Why is it that people often try their hardest to justify genocide and war crimes and put them in such a way so they can make the germans look like the ''good guys''?

whats the infatuation with nazi germany?

>inb4 muh le jooz XD

>>1675702

You have to love when they post quotes from Jews who hated Hitler as proof of some Jewish conspiracy. As if the Jews had any reason to not openly hate Hitler.

>>1675627

Ignoring Poland is a very different game to ignoring Nazi Germany.

>>1675435
if an attempted coup is grounds to exterminate/hate/persecute someone
why aren't people applying the very same principle on the nazis themselves, guilty of the very same thing?
(well, with the exception of a significant number of people actually backing the leftists, whereas the nazis were a laughing stock with virtually no support)

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>>1675772
Because when the Nazis rebel against Weimar, they're righteously revolting against a Jewish-infested puppet government. Compare this to when leftists rebel against Weimar, where they're Jews attempting to overthrow the German people's rightful government.

Do you see the difference now?

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>>1675784
at last i truly see

>>1675784
I truly see. Can you also explain to me how Jewish residents of Germany were evil foreigners?

>>1674877
You know that hitler reap apart every treaty he sign? You don't sign peace with untrusty people.

>>1675813
Because ethnicity is more important than citizenship, obviously. This is why the Jews who had lived in Germany since the 1700s before Germany had even unified were foreigners obeying the evil Zionist cause, while German minorities in other European nations agitating for their lands to be eaten by Germany were loyal citizens fighting the good fight.

>>1675847
>Muh blood
Every true civilization know that nationalism is based on citizen not retarded race, i miss true italian fascism.

>>1675847
Thank you, wise and kind anon. I will register be sure to tell all my friends and family about this.

>>1675859
This is also why atrocities committed by German occupying forces were legal reprisals enacted to stop partisans, but the massacre that happened when Polish troops opened fire on German partisans operating in Poland was a horrific crime against humanity that required the invasion to stop.

>>1675653
I wonder who is behind this post?

>>1675813
Not him, but it's easy to see how an insular ethnic subcommunity within a nation can develop parallel and conflicting cultural values, mores, and expectations which could lead to a difference in mindset from the majority ethnicity. Obviously this mindset would not have been universal, but if it were consistent among enough prominent members of the ethnic group (Rosa Luxemborg, Leon Trotsky, Ernst Toller, etc.) outsiders could easily assume the strange, incompatable philosophy/values were common to the ethnic group itself, and not just the vocal outliers. The brain is programmed to notice patterns, even if those patterns are invalid. It's not hard to understand why the Germans were so willing to believe the Nazis, many of the prominent communists of the time were Jewish and there had been several communist plots headed by German Jews to overthrow the government and introduce soviet-style communism. When you have those kinds of dots, it's a lot easier to connect them to show "IT'S DA JOOS" than to come up with nuanced anthropological and political understandings of why a marginalized, highly educated people with a 5,000 year chip on their shoulder would contain some radicals. It's been one of their most famous attributes since the Roman times, we STILL use "zealot" to describe political fanatics.

>>1675896
Anon, stop making thought-out posts. This is a shitposting thread.

>>1675906
But I want to effortpost. I spent 6 goddamn years waiting for /his/ and I'll be damned if I'm not going to effortpost.

>>1675168
No, he then invaded Poland and France declared war on him. Jesus, I don't even study WWII and I know this.

>>1675972
What was that phrase a Wehraboo used upthread?

"Actually, you can always choose to ignore declarations of war."

>>1675435
Random, somewhat unrelated note, the USSR had been using forced labor camps for decades by the time the first Nazi one popped up. Honestly, it seems pretty justified because Hitler was so hell bent on the Jews being involved with Bolshevism. If Stalin is doing this, let's do it to HIS people.

>>1675982
Sounds like when they say Germany was fighting in self-defense

>>1675982
"Franklin, we've got a message here from Germany."
>reads declaration of war...
Hmm, he's already fighting all of my close allies. His U-boats are sinking my people's ships. He's a massive threat to everyone.
"Ehh, fuck it Marguerite. Just ignore it."

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>>1674655

>>1676012
context?

>>1676012
Evil gentile Franz Ziereis after his death bed confession.

>>1675210
What part of the Nuremberg laws justified war?
Was it that the Jews wanted to marry non-Jews or that they wanted to be called German?

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>>1676073
>Justified war

Anon. That's from 1938. The Jews"didn't have a state to declare war from. Them "declaring war" was a publicity term to describe them uniting in a German boycott. It's beyond retarded to conflate an organized boycott with actual military aggression, especially when Germany was having state-enforced boycotts of Jewish goods for years.

You can have one or the other. You can not say Germany was in the right to force their citizens to not buy from Jews and then turn around and say the Jews' own boycott was undeserved aggression.

>>1675437
You're the retard rationalizing that because hitler amassed supporters he was right to do what he did.

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>>1676098
>The Jews"didn't have a state to declare war from.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
>turn around and say the Jews' own boycott was undeserved aggression.
I didn't say that.

>>1676004
Tbh French tried to invade Germany while Germany was invading Poland, they just failed really hard.

>>1676111
You are retarded. What does it have to do with anything? Also, Stalin probably killed many of these guys during the purges.

>>1676103
>might isn't right
>xD

>>1675702
I think many young Americans and Europeans are just now starting to realize that many of the atrocities committed by the axis powers were either blatant allied post-war propoganda stories, or that the allies committed many horrific atrocities themselves.

They're realizing that while Hitler was a bad man, there are two sides to every story and Hitler is not the epitome of evil that American high school history books say he is.

WWII was a complex war with many diverse reasons for it starting.

Unfortunately, some young people realize these truths and then try to take them even further into conspiracy theory territory and do things like dig up evidence of a mass Jewish cabal faking the holocaust in order to gain enough control to start a NWO. Then you end up with nutter butter stormtroopers marching through internet forums.

>>1676134
What does Jews controlling the largest country in the world have to do with WWII? Gee, I don't.
>probably
Thanks Mr. historian man.

>>1676148
Well, if Might Equals Right, that means the Soviet rape and pillage of Eastern Germany was a-okay then.

>>1676155
>Jews
Stalin wasn't a Jew. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the boycott of 1933. Do you stormfags even read anything?

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>>1676162
>Stalin wasn't a Jew.
This proves that Jews weren't in control over Russia.
>And it has absolutely nothing to do with the boycott of 1933.
It does because we are discussing the Jews and whether Hitler was right to be wary of them. What was so unreasonable about the Nuremberg laws?

>>1676149
Unfortunately people can be easily manipulated.

>WWII was a complex war with many diverse reasons for it starting.
German expansionism was the main reason. It shouldn't be even debated.

>>1676178
>Nuremberg Laws
What about Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service? Or do you think Nuremberg laws were the only anti-Jewish laws in Nazi Germany?

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>>1676183
>It shouldn't be even debated.

>>1675151
>September 30, 1938
Please, remind me what happened just 5 months later.

>>1676185
My original comment was in response to the Nuremberg Laws.
>muh Jews cant dominate the civil Service
My heart bleeds.

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>>1676183
Kek. What is history before 1939 for 200$

>Hitler wanted peace
Yup, he wanted peace after remilitarization of the Rhineland, and then after Anschluss, and then after Munich agreement, and then after invading Czechoslovakia, and then...

Hitler broke treaty of Versailles, treaty of Locarno and Munich agreement. Why would anyone believe him anymore?

>>1676206
>treaty of Versailles
Hitler was told nicely to kill himself but the mad man refused.

>>1676212
?

>>1676212
Reminder that the treaty of Versailles was still monumentally less harsh than the treaty dictated to France by Germany in 1871.

>>1675653
This meme...

>>1676196
>pic
best thing ITT

>>1676183
Im sorry, but you're mistaken if you think it was purely based on German expansion.

For example, why were the allies so concerned by German expansion? Because they were all expanding themselves. Russia invaded Poland just as the Nazis rolled in, but for whatever reason Britain and France only cared about Germany.

There's also the issue of English banking interests, as the Germans began issuing a new debt-free monetary note that was backed by German industry, rather than gold or fiat currency.

The Brits dominated the banking industry at this time and were highly concerned by a competing financial system that was debt free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fl8AykFqo
>"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!" Hitler ~ January 30th 1939

What did he mean by this?

>>1675122
lel, is that the "documentary" that claims that 250,000 civilians died at Dresden? The whole thing was pure garbage, but at least the chick who did the narrating sounded hot.

>>1676463
>Russia invaded Poland just as the Nazis rolled in, but for whatever reason Britain and France only cared about Germany.
The Soviets invaded two weeks later. Britain and France only cared about Germany because they had witnessed the military buildup and the aggressive politics of, you guessed it, Germany. Something the Soviets had not shown, as Finland and the Baltics came later. Furthermore their treaty with Poland specified its defense against, you might have already guessed it, Germany. Still despite Germany being the clear and present danger, they considered not only engaging the Soviet Union at the time, but even during the Winter War.

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>>1675170
Here is a report that was handed to Stalin something like 5 days before Germany invaded Russia.

The gist of the report is that our sources on the front are positive that a German invasion will happen any day now, can we please prepare?

To which Stalin replied (which is scribbled across the report as you can see):

Again paraphrasing: "You can send your source to fuck his mother. He is not a source but a disinformant"

>>1675847
>>1675784
>people on /pol/ unironically post like this.

>>1676463
>new debt-free monetary note
lol what? Are you talking about the mefo bills? Do you even understand how they worked? The economic situation of Nazi Germany was pretty terrible. Instead of reading neo-Nazi sites read a fucking book. There were constant shortages of food, oil and many other products. And the national debt was huge.

It seems like you don't understand how diplomacy works.

>>1676627
>expecting Nordic Fascist larpers to be able to read

>>1675992
>Stalin was a jew

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>>1676012
>that guard who had to clean bits of dick off the barbed wire

>>1674655

WW1 was pretty shitty and fairly recent in everyone's minds. Nobody wanted another war, except for the real life stormfags.

>>1675435
>muh sex is bad!

He would've had an argument if brothels weren't central to troops of all nations' R&R. Degeneracy, by their standards, started during the war, not after.

>>1675435
>I should also add there was an enormous push by Jewish media of sexual degeneracy during that time - similar to what we see in the US today.

Daily reminder that Hitler fucked his niece.

>>1677746
Hitler's dad fucked his niece, but did Hitler do the same?

I never intended this thread to succeed desu.

>>1676111
>agree to disagree
Nigga what? You are objectively wrong.

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>>1676111
>"We'll have to agree to disagree."
>posts the Soviet Union
>the state Germany had good diplomatic relations, tech sharing, and a non-aggression pact with until Hitler stabbed them in the back and declared war first

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>>1675466
lol