According to "history" channel, carthage was black.

>>1674035
Very unlikely

wtf carthage were literally jews

>>1674044
Metaphorical Jews actually.

WE

>>1674049
*smacks lips*

>>1674045
ok, semites

>>1674035
Yea not even a little. The upper class of Carthage were phoenicians from the Levant and the natives were Berbers, north Africans. Not sub saharan black.

>>1674035
The "History" Channel went full WE WUZZ.
For whatever reason, my countrymen here in the United States look at the African Continent and go "hey everyone is black here right?" failing to understand that the giant cosmic filter called the Saharan Desert that affected the ethnic and phenotypic fabric of Northern Africa versus that of everything below it.

Ethnically and culturally speaking, up until the Islamic Conquests, North Africa was apart of the Mediterranean World, then apart of the European World. Carthage was a Phoenician Colony situated in a strategic location in the dead center of the Mediterranean. So you have Phoenicians, whose closest kin these days are the Lebanese , ruling over the locals, who are related to the Berbers today (and they are not black).

I am not denying that the Black, Sub-Saharan, population of Africa did not cross the desert and lived in the North, I am saying that it is downright stupid to suggest that the ruling class of a city founded by Phoenicians suddenly assimilated to that of a phenotypic minority of the area that they settled a few hundred years prior.

>>1674043
>>1674049
>>1674052
>>1674061
t. /pol/

>>1674061
The natives were lybian, not berber.

>>1674089
Your b8's not that gr8 m8

>>1674098
Well I tried, but I could use some constructive criticism to better bait in the future

>>1674102
I think if you stuck to calling
>>1674052
>>1674049
/pol/ you could've gotten away with it, but saying
>>1674043
>>1674061
are /pol/ just makes you sound like you're trying too hard.

Y'all need to learn real history!
http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/True_Negros/The_True_Negro_2a.htm

>>1674111
Thanks, maybe I'll see if this works on /int/ later

>>1674095
>The city also had to deal with potentially hostileBerbers, the indigenous inhabitants of the area where Carthage was built.[5]

The area specifically where Carthage was located was Berber territory.

>>1674084
Yet you have zero proof, just theory.

>>1674129
Here is a good place to start.

https://www.amazon.com/Carthage-Must-Be-Destroyed-Civilization/dp/0143121294/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473454108&sr=8-1&keywords=Carthage+Must+Be+Destroyed+The+Rise+And+Fall+Of+An+Ancient+Civilization

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>>1674035
He would have been this kind of black at max, not Nigerian black.

>>1674035
>History Channel
>making a show about history
I don't believe it. Unless they also said he was an alien.

>>1674554
They're getting really into "dramatic historical recreations" as of late, little miniseries with historic themes presented as some kind of show instead of a documentary. They did something similar with the Texan war of independence.

It helps the tards pay attention it seems.

>>1674035
I felt really bad for him seeing everything he went through why the fuck did they lump him in with the barbarians i'll never know considering they probably did this to make blacks look better

Who the fuck cares
Be happy we have a show about Hannibal.
The does it matter if he was black or purple or red?

>>1674611
Yes, as silly as it may seem the History Channel should at least try to be historically accurate.

>>1674035
You cannot prove Hannibal was not black, so he was black.

>>1674614
Do you get your history from movies and TV? Especially from dramatized miniseries?
Hannibal is admired for his achievements not his skin color. There is a reason why books about Hannibal make no mention of his skin color.
It doesnt. Fucking. Matter.
Im sick of this thread in /his/.

>>1674035
WEWUZism

>>1674620
Yes i can

>>1674624
>A history show shouldn't be historically accurate
Im sick of people like you in /his/.

>>1674633
Watch Gladiator, or the eagle, or any other historic movie and tell me its historically accurate. The point of a movie is not to teach you all your history, its mean to give you the spirit of the times. If youre trying to learn your history from movies, you need to pick up a book for once.

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>>1674624
>A historical show about historical figures on the history channel doesn't have a need to be historically accurate

If you want fantasy, throw some tits in and put it on HBO.

Yes a great deal of people learn about history from television. That's specifically what the history channel is for. At least thats what it used to be for.

>>1674646
Not from a dramatized miniseries.
Nobody watched Spartacus so that they could research the life of Marcus Crassus. Theyre not made to be historical.
Documentaries are different from movies/ shows based on historical events.
Furthermore, complaining about Hannibal being portrayed black is exactly the same as complaining if they had portrayed him without a beard. It literally makes no difference to what he did or his accomplishments.
I say this because I for one really like Hannibal. Hes my favorite charachter from history, and yet the only thing ever discussed about him on this board is whether he was black or olive. It doesnt. Fucking. Matter.
Why dont you talk about whether he had the means to besiege Rome? Or how about the reasons why he was overwhelmed at Zama?

>>1674645
Oh you consider Gladiator a historical movie? That explains a lot.

>>1674679
That's exactly my point you Cretan.

>>1674666
>he's my favorite character from history

I see you have difficulty differentiating reality from fiction. Obviously this isn't an issue for you then.

>>1674645
That Hannibal shit on the history channel wasn't like a movie. It presented itself as a documentary.

>>1674704
this is the major problem with the "history" channel
it presents itself as historical and documentary and people start thinking all their shit is real, and then you start to see threads like "i want this meme to end"

>>1674686
How? I dislike the historical inaccuracy in Gladiator as much as I dislike the historical inaccuracy of a black Hannibal. Why would you be content with that? Do you think it's impossible to make a interesting yet historically accurate movie?

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Bashir is the best Hannibal.

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Why is he wearing a Chi-Rho on the helm?

>>1674773
Is that based Siddig? If so, yea that's actually fucking awesome casting.

>>1674120
Odd. I know that the Phoenicians mingles with Lybians and Numidians but never berbers.

>>1674777
The Chi-Ro was around long before Constantine painted it on his solder's shields. Still, it shouldn't be there.

>>1674777
>there actually is a chi-ro

The History Channel was a big fat mistake.

>>1674786
Soldier's*. Fuck my phone.

>>1674791
It's like those German soldiers using Enfields in that one docudrama.

>>1674777
Because it's just a dramatized mini-series? Why does historical accuracy matter?

>>1674035
>Chartage was in Africa
>Africans = blacks
>Therefore Hannibal was black
t. American.

Seriously, Americans should be banned from making films about history apart from stuff like the civil war and the old west, anything that doesn't involve other countries,

>>1674809
The black Egyptian theory is also literally based on Americans being terrible at geography, believing that all of Africa is black.

>>1674801
Because the show claims to be somewhat historical, it airs on History Channel after all. People will believe what they see, and if they already know history then it will ruin their immersion.

>>1674780
Ye. He doesn't play racketball though.

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>dude warpaint, shaved armpits and weird scale armour lmao

>>1674838
Imagine if Americans weren't idiots that needed shitty action scenes in order to learn.

>>1674838
It's that supposed to Boudicca or something?

>>1674821
I was being facetious m8.

>>1674847
yea shes accidently portrayed as a retard after getting a sympathy boost

>>1674624
>There is a reason why books about Hannibal make no mention of his skin color.
Yes, because it's pretty well known he was white. They also never mention the skin of Caesar or Cicero, but we can guess they were not negroes.

>>1674821
>it will ruin their immersion.
Srsly.

I still remember watching the tudors and in season 1, there's a scene where Henry VII is leaning over and you can see that the necklace he's wearing is held at the shoulder by a very modern looking stainless steel spring lock, like the kind found on dog leashes.

At that point I became very aware that what I was watching was a grown man playing pretend on camera.

Ruined the scene for me tbqh.

>>1674035
Revison, the head families of Carthage were pure blood Phoenicians.

>>1674045
>>1674057
Phoenicians have more in common with Mediterranean peoples then Jews. Pretty sure they'd look more like Italians, Greeks, Anatolians, or Iranians then Israelites. Not saying their white, but their Caucasoids.

>>1674035
Probably had some SSA admixture, but that actor looks West African. It's unlikely Hannibal would have looked like that.

>>1676061
...Levantines are Mediterranean, my dude. Moreso than Iranians.

The leather army and plastic helmet bother me a lot more than the casting. Literally Party City tier.

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>be Carthagan noble of phonecian decent. Some "it's a current year"fagot makes you black. No wonder everything going to shit.

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>>1674815
You're an idiot, take a look at where the Nile begins, and if you actually studied Egyptian culture you'd know they themselves say their origins are in the south. Plus any serious scholar wouldn't spend their time debating whether they were black or not, it's common sense.

>>1674962
>pure blood Phoenicians
If only you knew how idiotic you sound, that's like saying pure blood American, there's no such thing dingus.

>>1676061
>Pretty sure
That wouldn't hold up in any scholarly work. You people just have theories about Phoenicians, you don't know what they looked like, you're imposing your own imagination onto something you have no real knowledge of.

I know /pol/ wants to attack anything they don't agree with, but you idiots are the real revisionists.

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>>1676061
>Iranians are Mediterranean
>Moreso than Israelites
>Israel is located on the Mediterranean sea

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>>1676143
If Egyptians were black, why didn't they depict themselves as black? Or depict themselves with black features?

They were clearly capable of it.

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>>1676143
WE

>>1674035
That guy is black?

>>1674035
American television is all about entertainment. They don't give a shit about telling the truth or having even a minimum degree of accuracy. Everything must be dramatic and over the top, with fast camera movements, lion roars in the background and close ups of burly, sweaty men flexing their shoulders, sexy women, or animals flashing their teeth and lunging at the camera. Actors are either black or white, maybe a random Asian where and there, because that's what Americans expect to see.

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>>1674035
>That armor
>That helmet

Jfc that gave me cancer

>>1674035
It's just illiterate ghetto people thinking ALL of africa is black.

>>1676143
No serious historian thinks Egypt was black, only afrocentrist pseudohistorians think that Egypt was black. Therefore people who think Egypt was any race besides brown are revisionists.

No DNA evidence points to the dominant ethnic group of Egypt being black. What we do know is that it was conquered by black Nubians for a very short amount time but not enough to change the ethnic or cultural make up significantly.

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>>1674666
>Hes my favorite charachter from history

I don't understand. History Channel has been a literal joke for years, bullshit about mysterious Nazi super weapons, Nostradamus, Ancient Aliens which was fine and good fun to meme about. It's only when a nigger gets a role he shouldn't in a historical drama that the smiles turn sour and it's time for po-faced umbrage.

>>1674035
Carthage is North African not black.

>>1676227
Oh shut the fuck up. People have been talking shit about the history channel for years now for the exact reasons you listed. This isn't some recent phenomena.

possible but unlikely

>>1676229
Sho nuff whitey, you tryna steal our history? As if stealing our women and rights wuddnt enough.

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>>1674666
>Hes my favorite charachter from history
you have OC? a fuking waifu too?
i just started the medieval season, you dipshit
dont forget to suppor the autor in patron jesus fuking christ

>>1674084
eight post best post

>>1676227
The fact that the history channel is utter shit and now plays "ancient aliens" has made my "smile turn sour" for a long time.

>>1676153
I'm not arguing for the case that Egyptians were black (im not who you replied to) but most cultures have an skin color stylization, often gender or class specific. For example the Mycenaean always depicted men as bronze and the women as white. If I remember correctly many cultures depicted their kings with lighter skin than other figures in contemporary art, and Egypt may have been one of them during some periods. The picture that you show indicates to me that Egyptians were lighter than nubians, and that Nubians were black african as we know it.

>>1676254
Pardon?

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>>1674645
>>1674686
>>1674624
So this is what a retard looks like.

>>1676267
Egyptian artists depicted ancient Libyans as pale white though.

>>1674845
Be glad. The stupidity of our countrymen is the only thing that saves the rest of the world.

>>1676147
>Israel
>Med

>>1676143
Any opinion that disagrees with you is /pol/ now?

>>1674035

There were black people there and there was some amount of racial mixture there as in Rome but not much at all. It sure as shit wasn't Black.

>>1674095
Lybian is the ancient name of the Berbers. Like Gaul for France.

>>1674773
That's how do you cast hannibal.

American obsession with making everything about blacks and whites, not even about races, is so weird for me as an outsider.

>>1674503
Is that a Tuareg?

>>1676267
Mycenaeans were a PIE people, so the men at least would be just a little darker than "bronze". As for the women, women are usually lighter skinned than men, especially if they stay inside a lot.

>>1676153
>some of the Nubians are the same skin color as the Egyptians but the darkest depiction of a native Egyptian is a dark reddish brown and not nearly jet black like most Nubians

Why doesn't anyone point that out?

>>1674035
"history" channel is a business and have to cater to it's audience.

Carthaginian were the same color than Romans.

Roman historians described germanics tribes are pale skinned people with light eyes and hair. Nothing was said about the skin color or the physical aspects of carthaginians which probably means they weren't much different from Romans.

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>>1674035
Revisionism to accomplish an agenda.
The Carthaginians most likely looked like the people who inhabit that area today. Pic related. They were, after all, descendants of Phoenicians.

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>>1674838
>leather scale armor

>>1676061

The Phoenician language was literally mutually intelligible with Hebrew.

>>1676061
>Jews
>not Mediterranean

>>1676182
Doesn't help that a channel called the History Channel is feeding their delusions

>>1674044
>jews
They were Phoenicians

>>1674089
t. retard

>>1674035

>american notions of race and ethnicity

>>1674035
Because they trash

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>>1674035
Hannibal is black,

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Most North Africans are hardly black. Even with Arab admixture I doubt that Carthage was predominantly black.

>>1674035
the real scandal is that they didn't cast a manlet

>>1674035
WE WUZ CARTHAGE N SHIEET

>>1678862
The people who inhabit the area now are Berbers, not Phoenicians.

>>1674035
does it matter?

>>1676143
>they say their origins are South
And the Romans thought their founder was Trojan, and before Trojans went to Troy they were natives to Italy.
Perhaps they thought they originated South (regardless if they did or not, and if they could actually recall prehistoric migrations) because their whole entire nation is based around the Nile; and where the land reaches the Mediterranean they are far more accessible to travelers and trade from the outside world that it wouldn't make it interesting to lie their origin as some sea-people, while claiming further South you would go the more uninhabited and exotic the lands were and more bendable for creating unique origin myths.

>>1674035
What the fuck do you think? Carthage was in Africa. Sure it was the northern part so there were less black people, but there were still a lot.

>>1683298
Do you forget the sahara is close to impossible to go through?
This is the main reason why North Africans are so different and predominantly white.

>>1674563
...They looked around and said "What's Cool Now?"
And someone in the boardroom said "Game of Thrones."

>>1683298
epic