As many of you know, Portugal had a slightly different approach

>>1669405
what am i looking at here

>>1669408
I think its comparing the size of Portugal's colonies vs the size of the entirety of Europe.

>>1669408
>Portugal is not a small country

Timor is a shithole and it was only let go by the Portuguese Colonels because they couldn't afford it. It didn't matter to them that they left it in a state where it basically imploded and started massive genocide.

>>1669405
portuguese revolution was led by marxists, they were for decolonization ofc, as for NATO having to face China and India for some irrelevant tiny asian enclaves, it´s just laughable

>>1669416
So is colonial landmass the equivilant of dick size regarding insecurities?

>>1669405
NATO Backing was a non-argument when fucking Britain returned Hong Kong to China. It wouldnt care about Poortugal.

After World War II and a double whammy of American Liberalism and Proletariatism of the Soviets, Colonial Europe was fucking finished. Local elites and the erstwhile colonized used the status quo to fuck up their erstwhile masters.

>>1669522
it was really led by the army, tired of fighting african jungle guerrillas for the benefit of lazy colonists

>>1669531
always has been, is, and always will be

>>1669531
All the colonist countries wre comparing their dick sizes. Some even just took tons of useless land so they can have a bigger dick.

>>1669531
Pretty much. There was an ultra conservative and highly nationalist guy in power.
The picture OP posted is pure propaganda.

>>1669405
>Was the independence of the Portuguese colonies inevitable?
yes, the proliferation of arms during the cold war made it inevitable

As far as moral judgments go, Portugal was not a democracy yet and thus was relatively more oppressive than other colonies, their government was less willing to accept that times have changed and let go.

>>1669658
less willing? that's quite the euphemism. Salazar never called it a war. It was simply "a small group of terrorists".
But no, it was really war.

>>1669416
No Brazil?

>>1671712
That map is from Portugal's colonies in the 70's.
Brazil gained independence in the 18th or 19th century.

>>1669551
>>1669522
It was led by the army when the officers (colonels mostly) learned that they wouldn't be getting rich fat payments and extras for fighting in the jungles.
The people immediately joined them because of censorship and because the economy suffered a bit with the war in the colonies.

Fun facts:

Portugal won in every colony and the war was over (except in Guinea, where it was still ongoing) BEFORE the revolution took place.

After the revolution, the socialists and commies, because they had a greater level of organization (underground movements) managed to take power (you can see a modern example in the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt, because it was the only underground movement with some semblance of organization).
After their takeover and during PREC (Processo Revolucionário Em Curso, basically "Ongoing Revolutionary Process") they built a literal fear state, where commies roamed the streets with rifles and the liberty to shoot "enemies of the state" and "fascists" (thankfully, no-one died [that I know of], although a lot of people was aprehended).
It was these commies that "liberated" the colonies, giving them outright independence, after they were under the wing of the state again.
Even Cabo Verde, where there was not a hint of dissent or unhappiness, won its independence (Cabo Verde was like the Azores and Madeira, it had NO native population before portuguese people arrived). This action in particular was met with great controversy at the time, but was swiftly cut from history taught at school.

>>1672140
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The most damning of all is that both the USA and the soviet block conspired against the fascist Estado Novo (the portuguese regime at the time), even though Portugal was a founding member of NATO.

The USA wanted a full opening of portuguese colonies' resources for them to explore, while the Soviet Union wanted more vassals and satellite states.
They gave money, training and arms to different factions, that worked together to destroy portuguese infrastructure and people in the colonies (commies and "capitalists" working together to destroy fascism, so WWII-esque).
After gaining independence, the former colonies of Mozambique, Guinea and Angola promptly entered a state of civil war, with commies versus capitalists. These civil wars were much more destructive for the regions that the portuguese ultramarine war.
The communists generally won in every colony.

>>1672166
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Because a sizeable population of each colony liked the continental portuguese and actually fought beside them (they considered themselves portuguese in the same vein of the continentals), the biggest casualties of the war were not white portuguese, but actually black portuguese people, mostly civillians. The guerrillas employed a lot of hit and run attacks where they arrived at a village or town, slaughtered everyone and then fled. Revenge for being friend of the portuguese was the excuse they gave.

After independence most (all?) of the whites in the colonies (even people with families erradicated there for centuries) had to return to continental Portugal, along with a sizeable number of blacks that liked the whites (they had to leave or get killed).
Most of these blacks are the fathers of the current sizeable population of black people living in Portugal (mostly residing in or around Lisbon), which accounts for 4% or so of portuguese population.

These "retornados" (returning people) as they were called, arrived without anything, literally anything besides their clothes and are still an economic problem for the country.
No money, they had to be grouped together where the state could house them. Misery leads to ghettofication and a lot of problems.
Good thing is, they're slowly reaching the economic levels of the rest of the population.

>>1672190
(continued)

Regarding the former colonies, a severe lack of infrastructure (what they had, they promptly destroyed or didn't care to maintain during the civil wars) and the wars themselves gave the regions an actual lowering of literacy, standard of living, etc etc etc, enabled the stealing of natural resources (ironically, much of that stealing was made by the portuguese socialists that gave them independence (the communists not so much) and a whole lot of other problems. Problems that they haven't yet managed to overcome (even in Angola, rich because of oil, the general population lives in misery besides the capital. Something the angolans try to hide).

The only former colony to have some standards of living, happiness, etc is interestingly Cabo Verde, even with their crippling lack of resources (after all, the country is just a bunch of small islands).

Sorry if I digressed a little (or a lot).

>>1669405
>PRUSSE ORIENTALE
LITHUANIANS BTFO

>>1672206
Anon thanks for the read

>>1672206
Holy shit, now that I took the time to read what I wrote, I can see that it was written in an atrociously bad English.

>>1672140
>they built a literal fear state, where commies roamed the streets with rifles and the liberty to shoot "enemies of the state" and "fascists"
>(thankfully, no-one died)
u wot m8

Anyone know what happens to Alfonso Albuquerque's ship on his journey back to Portugal after he done conquering Malaysia?

>>1672206
Great post-Colonial Portugal /his/ anon thx

>>1669405
A country on all the land that "Angola" covers would be interesting. Like an enlarged Polish-Lithuania

>>1669405
Nigga NATO embargoed Portugal during their colonial war, and the US funded insurgents in Angola and Mozambique. The Cold War agenda of both the US and the USSR was to decolonize Africa and try to have their puppet revolutionary parties win the inevitable civil wars that followed

>>1672458
What?

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596KB, 1440x1385px

>>1669405
everyone was against portugal, NATO didn't help us in the war, the british were against us when UN told us to free our colonies, colonies that weren't colonies but already part of our country as autonomous regions like azores and madeira with it's own minister.

>>1672119
it's not from the 70's it's from before WWII

>>1672140
you forgot to add that people died in communist bombings and the perpetrators are now considered heroes (FP-25), also the failed communist coup of 25 November (also erased from school books)

>>1672817
>it's not from the 70's it's from before WWII
Now that you mention it, I see Goa there.

>>1669405
>Portugal had a slightly different approach to its colonies when compared to other European powers, treating its natives better than the vast majority of other colonizing nations of the 19th and 20th century

Did they? I know they liked to claim that, but is their actual evidence for it? Honestly curious

>>1669405
We can all agree that French assimilationist policies were top tier.

>>1672821
Also check borders of Eastern Europe.

>>1669405
Nigga wut? I literally got this after a quick Google search. None of the colonists were benevolent

http://m.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/14inter1.htm

historians consider the Goa Inquisition the most merciless and cruel ever developed. It was a machinery of death. A large number of Hindus were first converted and then persecuted from 1560 all the way to 1812!

>Over that period of 252 years, any man, woman, or child living in Goa could be arrested and tortured for simply whispering a prayer or keeping a small idol at home. Many Hindus -- and some former Jews, as well -- languished in special Inquisitional prisons, some for four, five, or six years at a time.