I have a question - were there any symbols associated with bastardry

>>1660427
Arms don't work like that.

>>1660427
/his/ isn't hte place to ask questions for your dnd campaign. delete this thread

>>1660427

No. Bastards generally don't have arms, and if they do, they don't draw attention to their bastardry.

>>1660601
He's asking an historically based question, nothing wrong with that whatever the reason. We don't exactly have a heraldry board.

>>1660604
>Bastards generally don't have arms
Yes and no. Where heirs and legit children were typically granted arms descending (depending on the era) from their armigerous parent's, bastards could have them deviate further.

>>1660638
Was there any accepted pattern for a legitimized bastard to modify their arms, or was it on a case by case basis?

>>1660784
All heraldy is case by case. It's a myth that there's a set meaning to particular blazons. Some times there were reasons for the blazon aspects, but not always.

>>1660847
I appreciate your help, thanks.

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>>1660427
Pic related, these bars in the middle of the shield (with various colors and patterns) were used in English and French heraldry to signal illegitimate birth.

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Jean, comte de Dunois - bastard son of Louis, duc d'Orleans

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Antoine, grand batard de Bourgogne - illegitimate son of Philippe, duc de Bourgogne

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Henry Fitzroy, duke of Richmond - bastard son of Henry VIII, king of England

>>1662925
Heh, sorry it wasn't much. It's a huge topic which can be quite interesting if you're into it. Worth checking out books on the topic.

>>1663396
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>>1663527
>>1663544
This was quite useful as well, and I appreciate your showing those.

>>1663527
>tfw still no Burgundian kingdom in the low countries.
(And we should make a family coat of arms thread)

>>1660427
Bar Sinister and Baton Sinister indicate bastardy in heraldic terms.

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Jean, batard de Luxembourg - illegitimate son of Waleran, comte de Saint-Pol

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Robert Stewart, earl of Orkney, bastard son of James V, king of Scots

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Charles Somerset, earl of Worcester - bastard son of Henry Beaufort, duke of Somerset

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sir Roger de Clarendon - bastard son of Edward, prince of Wales

>>1660604
>>1660589

the baton sinister.