ITT, opinions you hold that are contrarey to the common consensus

Europe is shit

The Holy Roman Empire was legitimate

>>1660321
Im not sure thats a contrary opinion

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>>1660321
You're right, Great Britain was the greatest civilization in Europe tho.

Ottoman history is cool as fuck, and so is most of Islamic history.

The Dark Ages were a thing.

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There is no significant difference in intelligence in any peoples on the planet, and technology is just a result of discovering large-scale agriculture. Intelligence has been a reinforced trait in all human societies until the past 50-100 years, where more intelligent people have less kids and vice versa. People are genetically homogenous as fuck.

It's nearly impossible for the human race to be wiped out completely, the only plausible possibilities are either a space object collision, gamma ray burst or deliberate extermination. It would be horrendously unlikely for the human race to be wiped out by any other scenario.

Morality and meaning have no inherent existence in the universe and are entirely fabricated by humans.

Pikes are a more functional melee weapon than halberds due to logistical efficiency.

Communism works, North Korea has a communist economic structure, and is working, and having an asymmetrically wealthy oligarchy at the head doesn't whatsoever contradict it's economic system being communist as fuuuck. The weighted benefits system towards people who reinforce the system doesn't make it "not communism", it makes communism work and is why NK still exists. You cannot say "communism doesn't work" until NK doesn't exist anymore, or dramatically shifts their economic structure.

Rome is boring.

The first world continues to be dominated by a plunder economy and utilizes slavery to this day. Plunder and slavery have simply evolved.

>>1660380
>1. There is no significant difference in intelligence in any peoples on the planet, and technology is just a result of discovering large-scale agriculture. Intelligence has been a reinforced trait in all human societies until the past 50-100 years, where more intelligent people have less kids and vice versa. People are genetically homogenous as fuck.

> 2.It's nearly impossible for the human race to be wiped out completely, the only plausible possibilities are either a space object collision, gamma ray burst or deliberate extermination. It would be horrendously unlikely for the human race to be wiped out by any other scenario.

> 3.Morality and meaning have no inherent existence in the universe and are entirely fabricated by humans.

> 4.Pikes are a more functional melee weapon than halberds due to logistical efficiency.

> 5.Communism works, North Korea has a communist economic structure, and is working, and having an asymmetrically wealthy oligarchy at the head doesn't whatsoever contradict it's economic system being communist as fuuuck. The weighted benefits system towards people who reinforce the system doesn't make it "not communism", it makes communism work and is why NK still exists. You cannot say "communism doesn't work" until NK doesn't exist anymore, or dramatically shifts their economic structure.

>6. Rome is boring.

>7. The first world continues to be dominated by a plunder economy and utilizes slavery to this day. Plunder and slavery have simply evolved.

I agree with 2, 3, 4, and 6 but the other bullshit is extremely wrong and I don't agree with it.

>>1660380
you sound like a terrible person to have to deal with on a daily basis

>>1660321
Shit opinion lad, but then again, I wouldn't really expect much from someone posting on 4chan.

>>1660363
>ITT, opinions you hold that are contrarey to the common consensus of /his/

1. If might makes right, there are no great empires in history because none survive in present times at their prime.
2. The West is built on a system of perpetual debt, which only provides the illusion of imminent success but no long term sustenance.
3. Abrahamic religions are by far the most powerful, influential and perhaps the only relevant faiths to be considered historically.
3. Communism is a paper ideology. It has yet to be tried because it simply cannot work. So is libertarianism.
4. Western Europe has lost all its relevance after the Cold War, and will eventually be relegated to nothing but a decadent getaway with almost zero political power.
5. History has always been a clash between East and West.

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>>1660408

theism and atheism are two sides of the same coin: both are extreme and come to their respective conclusions without adequate proof

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>>1660452
>1
Might does not make "right" though. right and wrong don't exist.

>2
Who is the west in debt to? The east? Why should they pay? They never will.

>3
Way to ignore 98% of the world's history bub, guess nobody can stop you

>3(2)
Communism is an economic structure. It has been tried multiple times, and is currently successful in the norks and in small groups. Your strange, unrealistically specific definition of communism hasn't been tried. Furthermore, your opinion is the common one of /his/ and doesn't belong in this thread.

>4
Relevance to what? Global "happenings"? Based on what criteria? Relative to the rest of the world, Europe is a massive platform of power to this day.

>5
Aztecs didn't exist I suppose. A snowflake on the tip of the iceberg of non-east vs. west history.

sorry guy your opinions are poorly concieved.

>>1660464
Are you implying people can only be one or the other?

>>1660490

anything but that, lol

>>1660380
North Korea exists, but it does not function.

>>1660452
>1. If might makes right, there are no great empires in history because none survive in present times at their prime.
who says mightness and rightness are static concepts?
>2. The West is built on a system of perpetual debt, which only provides the illusion of imminent success but no long term sustenance.
eh, i see more that it's based on enterprise, and that enterprise and debt go hand-in-hand
>3. Abrahamic religions are by far the most powerful, influential and perhaps the only relevant faiths to be considered historically.
agreed
>3. Communism is a paper ideology. It has yet to be tried because it simply cannot work. So is libertarianism.
completely agree
>4. Western Europe has lost all its relevance after the Cold War, and will eventually be relegated to nothing but a decadent getaway with almost zero political power.
they're still a relevant market for the global economy.
>5. History has always been a clash between East and West.
eh

>>1660484
1. Hence, if.
2. My statement couldn't be more obvious. A society built on credit is a society built on perpetual debt.
3. Give me a religion that has more historical influence than the Abrahamic faiths combined.
4. Again, my statement couldn't be more obvious. Whether or not it has been "tried" is irrelevant because it's a paper ideology. Please point to me which groups have successfully emulated communism.
4. Massive platform in uniformity, sure. But Europe is too balkanized to ever become a single entity. Right now it's only dominated by four countries, all of which have less influence than the United States combined.
5. >Thinking I literally mean "east versus west"

My opinions are too contrarian for you

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>>1660321
Human society is an emergent phenomenon that is beyond any comprehensive understanding.

This is why most forms of social and economic engineering either fail, backfire or have unintended long term consequences.

>>1660452
>5. History has always been a clash between East and West.
>Implying the very concept of East vs. West is not massively modern in the scope of humanity's entire existence and hasn't been constantly changing meaning ever since it first gained traction.

>>1660380
>Morality and meaning have no inherent existence in the universe and are entirely fabricated by humans.
Mah nigga

>>1660434
>Implying Turks aren't the most universally hated people on 4chan, /his/ included, bar black people.

>>1660517
humans can have blind spots, and have extremely large blind spots at that, without precluding the possibility of constructing knowledge from observation.

it's almost like there's a very wide range of human iqs and capabilities

what a fucking shit show thread

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>>1660517
I agree with this statement.

>>1660511
>1. Hence, if.

love it

>>1660511
#1 sf just straight up fucking retarded wasn't even able to read the rest before I had to tell you this

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>>1660511
>1.
If unicorns ran denmark, the world would be a utopia. ??? this is equally relevant and logical as your initial statement.

>2.
You're dodging the question. Why would the west give the east anything back? It will never happen.

>3.
I never said abrahamic wasn't the most impactful on written history. I said you're ignoring most of history if it's the only thing you pay attention to.

>4
I already did. The norks are comprised of a communist economic structure, and there are literally hundreds of small communes scattered around the globe. All literally functioning. Denying they work denies their observable existence.

>4(2)
Why are you talking about the balkans when you were initially talking about western europe? do you have any persistence of thought? And there isn't a country on the planet that has as much influence as the united states currently, you could use that argument for literally anything but the US.

>5
What the fuck do you mean then because "History has always been a clash between East and West." is literally what you said and is synonymous with "History has always been east vs west".

nazi Germany wasn't worse than communist Russia.

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>>1660358
>tfw you have a friend who unironically thinks the British empire was better and influenced history more than Rome.

>>1660484
>right and wrong don't exist

Prove it without resorting to "muh spooks".

Protip; you can't.

Anything pre-renaissance and also the religious wars I find uninteresting.
Rome is ok tho.

>>1660832
>Prove it without resorting to "muh spooks"

Not him, but..

Right and wrong are simply ideas conjectured by what society thinks is best for you. I mean, does it really matter what society thinks of you?

No, it doesn't, so good and evil, right and wrong, are simply just a way to put the individual down.

>>1660832
It doesn't exist because it has no tangible existence, you idiot.

>>1660850
Or this^ to put it bluntly like my communist friend did here.

But this is also good - >>1660840

>>1660517
By beyond, I believe it's something like, when we figure out our society at some point, our 'present' society has already moved far from that point, thus leaving us perpetually with new unanswered riddles.

There's still human nature though.

>>1660853
I'm not that shitty K-On weeb from /leftypol/ and I'm not a dirty commie I hate that board and wants all leftists in this world to die like a dog death befitting for traitorous scums of the nation

>>1660380

North Korea is not communist and does not work either for that matter. A communist state would be self sufficient. Most of the food in North Korea comes from either

>foreign aid
>private black markets
>private plots of land

Only about 30-35% of the food consumed in North Korea comes from state owned farms, toiled by the workers. The state cannot sustain itself and thus doesnt function.

Furthermore, you dont seem to know what Communism means. Communism is the absence of a state wherein society functions on it's own with no need for police, public distribution system etc, etc. North Korea is a totalitarian socialist society, but not communist. A communist state in our modern world would probably just function around apps like Uber, Lyft, AirBnB etc, etc with everything of value rented out from people to people through the use of modern tehnology.

>>1660869
Hi there I'm >>1660358, >>1660401, >>1660553, >>1660840, and >>1660853

I also hate leftists, I think they're incredibly retarded. But hating them to the extent where you want them killed is rather barbaric. You need an equal balance of leftists and rightists to have a balanced society, and rather democracy.

Without the leftists, we'd be seen as a warmongering, beast nation.

Without the rightists, we'd be seen as a pussified, cuck nation.

This was actually explained in one of South Park's episodes where Cartman imagines he was part of the American Revolution.

So no, I think you need some leftists atleast, just so the nation doesn't appear to be a nigger amongst other nations.

Also, query, are you a stormfag by any chance?

>>1660872
>A communist state would be self sufficient.
Debatable and perhaps non-mainstream. The idea of autarky goes against internationalism.

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>>1660321
what the fuck did you just say to me?

but seriously there is only 2 civilisations in europe and you can blame varus for the holdup being

>north baltic/north sea
>south mediteranian

then you got steppe nigger to the right and atlantic to the left

Communists are fine and the hysterical anti-Marxist stuff on here verges on mental illness

>>1660900
Leftists deserve to be thrown off helicopters. Always kill a traitor before an enemy

>>1660900
>leftists are pussified cucks
>leftist states are totalitarian nightmares

Pick one

>>1660946
You need mental help

Go find a therapist

>>1660948
I'll pick the former, not all leftist states are totalitarian nightmares.

>>1660962
>leftists are pussified cucks
>admits they have totalitarian states

Still contradictory