>great at science >great at arts >great at philosophy

>get beaten to the Industrial Revolution by the Anglos
>Anglos establish their first republic 100 years before you do, and when you do finally establish a republic that stays in power, it's been another 150 years after that
>get steamrolled embarrassingly easily in the last major global war
>spend the last 70 years as a broken, humiliated husk, pretending to be relevant

I genuinely can't think of a better example of the perils of hubris than modern French history.

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>>1644553
Free Brittany
Free Basqueland
Free Alsace
Free Lorraine
Free Occitania
Free Burgundy
Free Normandy
Free Aquitaine

Am I forgetting anyone?

>>1644567
Scotland, Ireland and wales

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>>1644553
>>sexiest shape
>>Imblying

>>1644567

Of all the nations in western europe I think France is the least likely to balkanize. Maybe the corsicans will get independence or something but Id put money that either scotland or catalonia gets it first.

>>1644565

>get beaten to the Industrial Revolution by the Anglos
Barely and only because Anglos were more willing to exploit and be exploited in horrendous work conditions for greed. The science that made the Industrial Revolution possible was mostly French.

>Anglos establish their first republic 100 years before you do, and when you do finally establish a republic that stays in power, it's been another 150 years after that
what

>get steamrolled embarrassingly easily in the last major global war
Well yeah sometimes bad things happen to the Mary Sue, like being temporarily beaten by a ridiculously overpowered supervillain. But then she ends up winning thanks to the power of friendship.

>spend the last 70 years as a broken, humiliated husk, pretending to be relevant
That just sounds like a lot of butthurt.

>>1644576
>flaccid dicks
>sexy

>>1644579
Yeah no shit, Scotland and Catalonia both have about 50% support for independence, Corsica doesn't even have 10. Even Bavaria is more likely.

full of niggas and mudslimes.

>>1644565
>get steamrolled embarrassingly easily in the last major global war
>its only "faults" are things like being too trusting or too willing to forgive

>>1644584
>what

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Fifth_Republic

>inb4 not a real republic
>inb4 doesn't realize that the Dutch republic also had a ceremonial monarchy

It's genuinely been since like the 1600s since France was an impressive country.

Ever since like Abraham Darby, Isaac Newton, and William of Orange, it's been an Anglo world.

I'm not trying to bait or shitpost, it's just reality.

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>>1644576
>imblyign

>>1644553
>great at science
granted though not noticably more than any other european nation
>great at arts
granted
>great at philosophy
no
>great at military
having twice the manpower of your opponent isn't really being great at military
>its only "faults" are things like being too trusting or too willing to forgive
literally allied with the ottomans

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>>1644604
And flaccid.

>>1644602
>England is a republic
>Napoleonic France wasn't impressive
>I'm not trying to bait or shitpost

lmao ok buddy

>>1644634
>flash in the pan that lasts less than a single generation
>impressive
>country ruled by civilian representatives elected by the citizen body
>not a republic

And then they overcompensated by becoming Marxists and SJWs.

>>1644609

>not great at philosophy
Literally founded Scholasticism and Enlightenment, the only two philosophical accomplishments since the Greeks that aren't complete wankery. The founder of modern philosophy is a Frenchman.

Although France also excels at complete wankery, see post-structuralism.

>having twice the manpower of your opponent isn't really being great at military
That's like saying you can't be a good fighter if you're more muscular.

>literally allied with the ottomans
Making the tough choices in order to save Europe from being fully swallowed by the Habsburg ogre, another good point.

>>1644642
Even without extending the definition of republic to such nonsense, there were already republics all over Italy centuries earlier, not to mention in ancient times. How is that even an achievement of any sort? The "Glorious Revolution" was an aristocratic coup that let Britain get conquered by a foreign ruler, it's absolutely pathetic.

And France was the main political power until 1815. Cultural until WW2.

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>>1644609
>having twice the manpower of your opponent isn't really being great at military

When you're alone against half the continent, the little manpower advantage you would have had in a 1vs1 war against another country soon disappears

>>1644654
Yeah, I forgot how the French were the first to start rediscovering Greek and Roman art

>oh wait, that was Italy

Well, at least they were the first to establish republics

>oh wait, Italy

Well, they were the first unified nation-state under a republic, right?

>nope, the Dutch and kind of the Poles

They invented modern contract law, at least

>Dutch and British

Constitutional law?

>British

>>1644674
None of those things are even relevant achievements, might as well go "b-but France didn't invent peanut butter!"

>>1644677
>republics aren't relevant
>constitutions aren't relevant
>Newtonian physics isn't relevant
>calculus isn't relevant
>steam engines aren't relevant
>blast furnace ironworking isn't relevant
>railroads aren't relevant
>steamships aren't relevant

At least you guys made a bunch of good cheese.

That makes you the real winners.

>>1644687
Cool story bro
Meanwhile, France invented vaccination, automobiles, helicopters and nationalism
And half of English language's vocabulary too

>>1644584
>That just sounds like a lot of butthurt.
Your primary source of fame is terrorist attacks.

>>1644687
lmao

>republics aren't relevant
Not really. Absolute monarchy is a superior system to aristocratic republic.

>constitutions aren't relevant
Those are ancient. Although it was Rousseau who theorised a constitution as a social contract between a sovereign people and its leaders, not just a charter between nobles or merchants.

>blast furnace ironworking isn't relevant
That's ancient.

>railroads aren't relevant
Literally just putting an automobile (French invention) on rails. Wow much invention.

>Newtonian physics isn't relevant
Jean Buridan.

>calculus isn't relevant
Nicolas Oresme.

>steam engines aren't relevant
Denis Papin

>steamships aren't relevant
Claude de Jouffroy

>unitedstates jizzrag/cannon fodder
>is becoming new damascus
>entire country barely rivals several u.s. city's gdp
>clings to dead peasant culture to larp as though their lives still have meaning
>are targetted for terror by isis instead of isreal/us/sauds because they are, again, cuck cannon fodder

>>1644723
Try harder m8.

>>1644723
What has that got to do with history?

>>1644601
>revanchism
>being too trusting or too willing to forgive
Pick one and only one

>>1644739
Revanchism is a meme. It was a minority movement that never held power or influenced policy, and the 1914 diplomatic cables show clearly that France did everything in its power to prevent war, short of giving in to ludicrous German demands of handing over several cities. Revanchism was just blown out of proportion after the war in order to paint France as equally responsible for WW1 as Germany and to make "nationalism" the real culprit.

>>1644739
>revanchism

german/germaboo meme

>>1644750
>>1644756
>t. Frog revisionists
Revanchism directly influenced French policy in the before, during and after WWI. Don't kid yourselves.

>>1644765
Then post one example, because that shit never happened.

>>1644775
>Versailles
>the formation of the Entente
>Clemenceau in general
Are you stupid?

>>1644779

>Versailles
Revanchism caused France to go ridiculously easy on Germany after the war? lol ok then

>the formation of the Entente
France trying to get out of diplomatic isolation and form alliances is revanchism?

>Clemenceau in general
Dude I don't think Clemenceau's birth was caused by revanchism.

>>1644784
>Elsass Lothringen, control of the Saar and massive reparations
>easy on Germany
You really are a frog.

>France trying to get out of diplomatic isolation and form alliances is revanchism?
France forming alliances with the exact stated goal to their allies of the return of Elsass Lothringen IS revanchism, I hate you tell you.

>Dude I don't think Clemenceau's birth was caused by revanchism
That's a nice red herring.

>>1644795

>whaaa they forced us to give back the land we had stolen in the previous war, that's not fair
lmao how much of a delusional naziboo can you be? You sound completely ridiculous with your butthurt "Elsassene Lothrhtrhgningnen" btw.

>France forming alliances with the exact stated goal
The stated goal was to defend from German aggression, which the following events completely vindicated.

>>1644722
You're thinking of bloomery ironworking.

>>1644602
>finally establish that stays in power
>French fifth republic

What is third republic ?

>>1644795
>Elsass Lothringen, control of the Saar and massive reparations

If you call giving back small ass Alsace, getting occupied for 10 years and reparations that were cancelled as soon as economical crisis started harsh, I wonder how you'll see Post-WW2 peace....

For the reminder, it had Germany lose much more lands than Alsace, the rest was divided in two entities, and the lot was occupied by the Soviets until the 90s and is still occupied by the US to this day.
And surprise.....Germany didnt chimp out again
Looks like a harsher Versailles would have worked better after all

>>1644883
Got its ass kicked by an enemy much weaker than them because they couldn't trust their own military, or run a competent military command.

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>>1644795
>You really are a frog.

The BBC agrees though
Are they frogs too?

>>1644902
Yeah, a "much weaker" enemy that had a bigger army and a more advanced equipement (not denying how shitty the French leadership was though)

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>>1644905
The French actually had more and better tanks, and more infantry during the Battle of France.

Not even shitposting, the French defeat was largely inflicted at the hands of Chamberlain and Daladier.

Especially the part where they waited four fucking days to do anything about the armored push through the Ardennes.

Pacifism doesn't get nearly enough shit as it deserves, with regards to WW2.

>>1644895
>>1644795
Actually Clémenceau wanted to go harder than that on germany (annexing left bank of the rhine and such) but the english didn't want france to be too powerful on the continent so they refused.

Also wilson was raving about freedom about and such and wanted to get money out of germany so he opposed it too.

So yeah Versailles was going easy on germany

>>1644902
>stays in power for 50 years
>got defeated in a war by germany like 3/4 of europe so it wasn't a real republic

right

>>1644908
The better tanks thing is a myth. Yes French tanks were "more modern", but they were slower than German tanks, which in that war was all that mattered. Also Daladier was no longer in power by the time the Germans invaded, Reynaud was.

The issue was a failure in preparation more than in the actual military decisions in 1940. That said the core problem behind that was the crippling instability of the French government throughout the 30s, with most governments lasting barely a few weeks, making any long term military strategy or modernising military policy impossible.

>>1644924
It failed.

If a building tips over in a slight wind, it's safe to say that it was a poor structural design.

Germany invaded with less men and less equipment, and won anyway because the Third Republic was a fatally flawed entity.

>>1644908
>and more infantry

This part is wrong though
France and Britain combined had 3,300,000 troops, Germany alone had 3,350,000 troops

>>1644928
The French had some really nice medium tanks.

Like, I'd definitely take S35s over Panzer 1s and 2s.

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>>1644932
k

but u wrong tho

>>1644928
French tanks were better than German tanks when fighting each other, nearly all French tank casualties were a result solely from artillery.

>>1644941
Wait, I'm a retard

>>1644941
Nigga your pic literally has the exact same numbers he posted.

>>1644942
Yeah but that's kind of useless when you can't even catch up to the Germans.

>>1644949
Which was only the case because the French military was run by a 70 year old fossil.

>>1644567
you forgot corsica

those regions seem to be cucked to death tho

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>>1644908
>The French actually had [...] more infantry during the Battle of France.

>>1644929
>Germany invaded with less men and less equipment,

When will these meme stop?
Is it that hard to fucking check?
Why are there so many exaggerations on that battle when it's already pretty pathetic the way as it is?
It's like those who reduce the 45 days France lasted to "one week"

>>1644957
To be fair, Italians are barely even people, let alone soldiers.

>>1644567
>>1644953
The only regions that have any chance of possibly seceding are New Caledonia and maybe Guyana, and even for them it's very unlikely.

>>1644722
To say that the French invented the automobile is rather disingenuous, given that the first motorcar (which really allowed for the development of the modern automobile) was invented by an Austrian Jew.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_automobile

>>1645019
Cugnot's automobile was the very first
Everything after is improvement, not invention

>>1645028
Fun fact: London actually had steam powered bus systems in the mid 19th century before they banned it because muh noise.

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>>1644553
French people are the best looking too.

>>1645219
Nice try, but that picture is from Mayotte

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>>1645219
Brits look pretty great too

>>1645028
And Cugnot's was not an improvement upon Verbiest's design?

>>1645579
Cugnot's was an actual automobile, not a toy
The first ever built

>sexiest shape

I have to confess france's shape is the only reason I dont want them to annex Wallonia. It would look like shit.

>>1645590
But did he invent it? Or just take an existing model and make it bigger?

>>1644567
That got me wondering, if you "free" Normandy and Aquitaine, wouldn't they just have to join the United Kingdom? The British crown still has a very valid claim on them after all, and I say that as a Normand.

>>1645219
>hurr durr why is Mayotte so black

>>1644565
>anglo republic
>literally 2 and a half people allowed to vote.

>>1645756
Tons of descendants of royals would have a better claim than the windsors

>>1644784
France did go ridiculously easy on Germany. Foch wanted to outright annex everything west of the Rhine to deprive them of any significant industrial capacity forever, but the government decided to take the middle ground and merely weigh them down with war reparations. Foch of course is known for saying, in 1919, "This isn't peace; it's an armistice for 20 years."

>>1645770
People like to take that quote out of context by saying he was implying that they were being too harsh on Germany and so it would spark another war.

>>1644553
yes, modesty is indeed one of the countless virtues of the french people.

>>1644903
>The BBC agrees though
>Anglo propaganda medium agrees

color me surprised. saying that the treaty of 1871 was harsher is a blatant lie.

>>1644784
>Revanchism caused France to go ridiculously easy on Germany after the war?

The French couldn't push through their demands, it had nothing to do with them being lenient, they just weren't powerful enough.

>>1646524
fuck off adolf

>>1645867
What was the context?

>great at science
>great at arts
>great at philosophy
>great at military
>great at basically everything
>sexiest shape
>sexiest flag
>always fights on the side of good
>its only "faults" are things like being too intelligent or helpful

Is Britain history's Mary Sue?

>>1646567
That the cause of WW2 was solely due to the French pushing the treaty of Versailles and making it too harsh on the Germans, and that the "armistice for 20 years" refers to that belief.

>>1646582
>That the cause of WW2 was solely due to the French pushing the treaty of Versailles
This is ridiculous. If the French were "pushing" the Versailles treaty, they would have stopped Germany when it stopped to pay the reparations, militarized, annexed Austria and the Sudetenland. France did none of that.

>>1646524

It's obvious to anyone who compares the two treaties. The BBC somehow thinks that France having to hand over Alsace-Lorraine was harsher than Germany having to hand over Alsace-Lorraine, terrtitory in the East and North as well as all colonial posessions. The German army was cut down to a pitiful size due to Versailles, the French army was kept intact after 1871; the French seized the coal rich Saar area after WWI; the German merchant fleet was confiscated after WWI; the 1871 treaty demanded a sum that France was able to pay after three years while Versailles scheduled heavy payments for 80 years to come; reparations were cancelled due to the great depression but the sum (between 20-60 bn gold marks depending on source) was much greater than the amount that was payed by the French after 1871.

>>1646593
I think the argument is that the Versailles treaty helped revanchist movements to gain power in Germany

>>1646599
WW1 lasted 4 years and was fought on the french soil, while Germany wasn't invaded. In 1870, the war still happened in the french soil and Germans still asked for reparations.
>the 1871 treaty demanded a sum that France was able to pay after three years
And Bismarck didn't like it at all. He was sure France was out of the game and was surprised they managed to pay so quickly. They were talks in Germany for a preventive war against France in 1875, but when Alexander II said he wouldn't tolerate that Germany backed down. If you can't understand that Germany did everything in its power to make sure France would never be a relevant power after 70, you need to read more book.

>>1646611
The right question would be : what kind of peace would have been suitable for Germans then ? Any loss of territory would have helped a revanchist movements sinceafter the war the german high command created the "stab in the back" myth.
Versailles wasn't bad itself, the fact western powers didn't move when Germany was clearly violating the treaty lead to WW2.

>>1646599
Compare the sum in GDP%

>>1646638

>The right question would be : what kind of peace would have been suitable for Germans then ?

A peace according to Wilson's 14 points, meaning that territory is ceded only after referendums. Reparations that can be paid off within a couple of years;

>Any loss of territory would have helped a revanchist movements

Probably, but the question is whether these movements would have garnered this much support if there had been a peace that was more agreeable to the German public.

>>1646625

>WW1 lasted 4 years and was fought on the french soil, while Germany wasn't invaded.

Yes, the context was completely different but if we're just looking at the treaties it's rubbish to say that 1871 was harsher.

Btw, East Prussia was invaded in 1914/15 but the damage obviously doesn't compare to France.

In 1870, the war still happened in the french soil and Germans still asked for reparations.

That war was unambiguously started by France, though.

>Germany did everything in its power to make sure France would never be a relevant power after 70

What they did was much less than the restrictions imposed on Germany; France kept its army, its fleet and all its colonial possessions and thus stayed a great power.

Can we have a thread about France without butthurt german, jealous british and surrendering french?

>>1646712
Maybe on the day we have a thread about England without butthurt french, jealous french, and surrendering french.

>>1646712
The same way we can have 999 threads on how shitty the Holy Roman Empire/German Empire/Current Germany is from your Froggy ass?

>>1646721
>>1646737
Butthurt and jealous, we need a surrendering french now.

i've always liked france desu even as a brit

>>1646742
French here, not surrendering though

>>1646721
You forgot completely obsessed and buttblated Brits
>>1646737
Fuck off nazi

>>1646752
Good lad

>>1646721
>>1646737
>>1646712

I like how we great Europeans Powers spend our time nagging and play-fighting with each other.
Best tsundere relationships to be honest lads, one forged by numerous murderous and haunting wars and constant negative propaganda about each others during peace time.

>>1646872
The fact that even divised Europe take over the world is hilarious, just think waht may happen if Europe unite and back to Imperialism demagogie.

>>1644929
>If a building tips over in a slight wind, it's safe to say that it was a poor structural design.

So the Third Republic just tipped over during WW1? By the 1930s France was in a much weaker state politically, but I'm very skeptical of people saying that it was a weak system (not the set of people/policies that were in power mind you, the Republic as a regime) doomed to collapse as soon as Germany came knocking
>>1644908
" The commander was expected to direct the tank while also aiming, loading and firing the 47 mm SA 35 main gun — although at least the radio duty could be left to another crew member. Radios were planned to be part of the standard equipment of S35s. In practice the platoon commander had an ER (émetteur-récepteur) 29 set for communications with a higher command level, but a shortage of the short range ER28 sets for communication within the platoon meant that the other four tanks were never fitted with any form of radio, although in some units all tanks had antennas: the programme to fit the sets themselves was postponed until the summer of 1940 and thus overtaken by events."

Great tank, but the commander having to direct and aim at the same time + no radios are huge drawbacks.

France's natural borders have always been the left bank of the Rhine. Fuck off krauts

>>1646577
Except Britain is shit at art and mediocre at philosophy and military, and it usually "fights" on the wrong side and constantly backstabs all of its allies.

>>1647367
>shit at art

are we talking art as in paintings or art in general (as in, including literature, film, music, etc)?

In both cases you're wrong in saying they're shit, in the second case you're definitely wrong

>mediocre at philosophy

>John Locke, George Berkeley, David Hume, Thomas Hobbes, Jeremy Bentham, John Stuart Mill, Francis Bacon, William of Ockham, Alfred North Whitehead

shut yo mouth

>military

Yeah mediocre is fair enough, they've had their fair moments though

>constantly backstabs all of its allies

realpolitik nigga

>>1647367

Such boring shit-tier /int/ posting.

I wish you people would just go back to the boards where you belong rather than bringing your international shitposting competition to /his/.

Before you think I'm trying to defend Britain, I'm not.

I'm telling you that you are a boring shitposter that belongs on a uninteresting troll board.

Don't expect another 'you' from me if you decide to reply to this. You're not worth it.

>>1644553
>great at science
>great at philosophy
>great at military
But Germany beats you in those

>>1645770
>Foch says his famous quote in 1919
>exactly 20 years later WWII starts
ebin

>>1646599
I love how you carefully leave the WW2 one out of your post
Good luck to make anyone believe that Versailles was harsher on Germany than the Post-WW2 peace (that actually worked at preventing another German chimpout)

>>1647447
are Germany and Britain the CHADs of Europe?

>>1647447
Germany certainly do not beat Frannce at military overall
Germany spent 80% of its history getting stomped by its neighbors (including France)

While Germany was the tough guy of Europe from 1914 to 1945, France had this role from 1643 to 1815

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>>1647447

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>>1644609
>>1647447
>>1646691
>>1646577

I wonder who can be ...

Succes breed jalousy

To all the butthurt posters itt:

Op said "great at" not "best at". This is a France love thread, if you want to shit on them go to the current France hate thread.

Thank you for your attention.

>>1647399
Nigga what painters does Britain even have other than Turner?

>>1647946
Millais, Bacon, Freud, Waterhouse, Gainsborough, etc

>>1648089
>a whole bunch of literally whos

Face it, Britain is pretty bad at art. I mean it's better than, say, Belarus, but it gets rekt by France. Kind of like Italy in science. Only France has it all.

>>1648103

Bacon is fairly well know, even if I thought that he was Irish (just checked Wikipedia and he was Anglo-Irish)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon_(artist)

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>>1648103
>literally whos

Literally whos? I think that's more a reflection on literally you.

>Britain is pretty bad at art
>I don't know who they are so they're bad

I'm not saying they reach France levels of quality output, I'm saying they're not >shit at art

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>>1648145
have some more English art

>>1648145
Yeah the art market is pretty cancerous but still, a Lucian Freud is the most expensive painting ever sold, or at least it was a little while ago. He's my favourite artist actually.

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>>1644567
Balkanizers please go

>>1645756
>implying dynastic claims matter for shit in the year 2016
>implying they ever really mattered anyway

>>1644565
>Anglos establish their first republic 100 years before you do
Yeah, and the Romans a thousand years earlier. Your point? Or do you actually believe the French Revolution was about overthrowing the monarchy?

>>1649495
My point being that the English and Dutch are better than the French in just about every way.

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>>1648153
>Pre-Raphaelites
>good

>>1649554
Name one way.

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>>1644553
>sexiest shape

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>>1644609
>muh ottomans
>unironically supporting the assburglars

>>1649747
Philosophy that's actually useful.

>>1649807
The one useful achievement of philosophy is developing rationalism, which is the philosophical foundation of the Scientific Revolution. That was Descartes, literally considered the founder of modern philosophy. If you want to look before that, scholasticism was not bad, and that can be credited mostly to Peter Abelard. Finally political philosophy did some useful things too, thanks to Enlightenment philosophers like Rousseau or Montesquieu.

Literally nothing but French people. Non-French philosophy has been nothing but pointless circlejerking over nothing.

>>1649848
Copernicus published his work, and therefore started what is known as the scientific revolution, before Descartes was born.

If we're talking about science, then empiricists such as Locke, Bacon, and Hume are far more important than Descartes.

If we're talking politics, then Locke is of much much importance (just ask the founding father's), as are Hobbes, Bentham, and Mill, all of whom are very influential to this stay. And of course we cannot forget the founder of modern conservatism, Edmund Burke.

>>1644573
kek

>>1649898
Copernicus wasn't a philosopher and has nothing to do with the scientific revolution. Everyone else you mentioned is a bunch literally whos completely irrelevant outside of the Anglo bubble.

>>1649936
OK Bacon is somewhat important for his contribution to the scientific method, but nowhere near as important as Descartes as a philosopher.

>>1649848
Not true. Non-French philosophy established that the English can actually be more autistic then the Germans.

>>1649936
Well then mate you've made it entirely clear to me you know absolutely nothing about philosophy and the history science, or you're baiting.

The publication of Copernicus' work is commonly cited as the beginning of the scientific revolution.

Im not going to reply to you anymore because you're just in this for the (You)s.

>>1649961
This.

In fact the French are famous for circle jerking over nothing in their recent philosophy, whereas Anglos are famous for being logic obsessed autists.

>>1646577
Britain is the main character of the world so probably. It certainly has the thickest plot armour.

>>1649966
No, the date usually taken for the beginning of the scientific revolution is the publication of Discourse on the Method by Descartes.

Maybe you're confused because of the term "Copernican revolution", which refers to the Earth REVOLVING around the Sun, and has nothing to do with a revolution of science.

>>1649973
France is the main character, Britain is the jealous deformed evil twin.

>>1649995
Not really, the scientific revolution already started in the 14th century at the University of Paris.

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>>1649807
In that regard the Dutch are no-shows. They have Erasmus, Grotius and that's it. As for the English, that's laughable.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hume/
Hume is considered to be the most important philosopher to have written in the English language, and in the grand scheme of things he's important but not that important. Compare Descartes, who is widely considered to be teh father of modern philosophy.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/descarte/

Your mistake was picking the one field where France blows everyone out of the water except for the ancients and maybe Germany, maybe.

>>1649995
Fucking what? Hahaha you are talking out of your arse.

Google "the scientific revolution", the majority of sources will say it started with either Copernicus, or Bacon's Novum Organon of a New Science , Kepler, or Galileo, not Descartes.

Sure Descartes' philosophy alongside Bacon's were the philosophical side, but it wasn't the start.

http://vlib.iue.it/carrie/texts/carrie_books/gilbert/23.html

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=TQp8AAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA87&dq=the+scientific+revolution&ots=uLSbCfdwpC&sig=uh6UmNlyvUPaTJKzXFUDLxHu2AI#v=onepage&q=the%20scientific%20revolution&f=false

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=J9xwDBFeRrUC&oi=fnd&pg=PA217&dq=the+scientific+revolution&ots=ACsrPdRc20&sig=5y5Yu4asDpFLQyb8c9KFMoUnXFM#v=onepage&q=the%20scientific%20revolution&f=false

>>1650020
Well yeah, kind of, in the sense that all the principles of the scientific method were established, and there was the beginning of something with Buridan and Oresme laying the foundation of classical mechanics and calculus respectively. It very possibly could have flourished into a full blown scientific revolution, but it was interrupted by the disasters that befell France, mostly the Hundred Years War, and for the following few centuries science didn't really progress.

Galileo and other like him have the merit of having destroyed the chains that Renaissance Humanism had put on science, and Francis Bacon contributed an important part of the scientific method, but it was Descartes who refounded philosophy and his cartesian rationalism is what made it possible for the scientific revolution to restart, this time as a sustained movement with a clearly defined world view. That's the single greatest achievement of philosophy.

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>>1644553
>>great at military
>what is getting rekt by Prussians in 1870 despite having machine guns
>what is getting bailed out by the British in 1914
>what is getting bailed out by the Americans in 1918
>what is getting rekt despite generous British aid and forewarning of German intentions in 1940
>what is getting rekt by a bunch of Vietnamese farmers in 1954
>what is actually winning in Algeria but pissing it away thanks to retarded de Gaulle in 1960
La Gloire de France died with Napoleon.

>>1650029
>>1650029
>>1650029
>France blows everyone out the water

Except no, not at all. Having one philosopher who was very important is not "blowing everyone out the water", besides, Descartes while influential, isn't as useful as Empiricists such as Locke, Bacon, and Hume.

Aside from Descartes, and Rousseuauau and Montesqueeueqie (both of whom are very important), who do the French have?

Some continental hacks? A Heidegger for dummies?

BTW sorry if my posts make no sense or I'm contradicting myself, it's late

>>1650046
Copernicus simply designed a cosmological that he couldn't demonstrate. Galileo's work consists in rediscovering the works of 14th century French natural philosophers, and a defence of heliocentrism that wasn't scientifically sound. Bacon's empiricism is important but not sufficient. Kepler's work is important too in the reduction of physical phenomena entirely into mathematical laws (not something new but never before done so systematically), but again not sufficient.

None of those people followed the scientific method or understood science the way we do since Descartes. His work was more than a paradigm shift, an entirely new way of thinking.

And again we're talking about philosophy here. There is no way you can deny that Descartes is the most important philosopher in Western history.

>>1650086
>le epic cherrypicking
>those defeats somehow erase other victories

wew lad

>>1650086
>what is actually winning in Algeria but pissing it away thanks to retarded de Gaulle in 1960

The French always think this.

It was never true.

>>1650139
>"""""victories"""""
Name one example of the French fighting and winning a war since 1900 without being propped up or liberated by other nations. Or losing politically.
>>1650144
The civil war would have just restarted anyways.

>>1650127
We were talking about the scientific revolution in this instance, but hey ho

>you can't deny Descartes is most important

Yes I can with two examples

Plato

Aristotle

But Descartes is definitely very very very important, but on the whole by accounting for quality and quantity, I'd say Britain is a few centimetres above France in the philosophy ranking

>>1650154
lol seriously? I can name like half a dozen just for this last decade.

>>1644565

Spain.

>>1650086
>what is getting rekt by Prussians in 1870 despite having machine guns
Prussians had machine guns too, and better ones
>what is getting bailed out by the British in 1914
France stopped Germany at the first Marne before Brits even arrived
>what is getting bailed out by the Americans in 1918
Top kek
France would have lost without Britain, but the US? Come on now
>what is getting rekt despite generous British aid and forewarning of German intentions in 1940
The British aid was garbage and fled at Dunkirk
>what is getting rekt by a bunch of Vietnamese farmers in 1954
Pretty pathetic indeed
But given that a recently beaten country with the army in recovery state being defeated by Viets is already quite shameful, what can we say about the world's superpower with the finest technology losing to them as well?

>>1650154
>>1650162
Which btw you can't claim for any other country.

>>1650154
Wasn't talking about the last 200 years.

>>1650154
>Name one example of the French fighting and winning a war since 1900 without being propped up or liberated by other nations. Or losing politically.

WW1

>but they had help, it doesnt count
Well, by that logic Britain literally never won any european war in its entire history given they always had allies

>>1650167
>losing to them as well?

Frankly, comparing the First Indochina War to the Vietnam War is like comparing the Battle of Stalingrad to the Battle of Karansebes.

>>1650158

>Yes I can with two examples
>Plato
>Aristotle

Maybe you should have read that sentence to the end then.

>in Western history

>I'd say Britain is a few centimetres above France in the philosophy ranking
I'd say Descartes beats Bacon, Rousseau and Montesquieu beat Locke and Hume, and Abelard beats... well nobody, England was barely even a thing back then.

>>1650162
I'm waiting. And no, tactical victories do not equal strategic victories.
>>1650167
>Prussians had machine guns too, and better ones
What is the mitrailleuse
>France stopped Germany at the first Marne before Brits even arrived
That was the BEF.
>what is getting bailed out by the Americans in 1918
Literally. The Americans were financing the French war effort by 1917.
>The British aid was garbage and fled at Dunkirk
Still got your asses handed to you
>But given that a recently beaten country with the army in recovery state being defeated by Viets is already quite shameful, what can we say about the world's superpower with the finest technology losing to them as well?
That it's the French's fault for losing Indochina.
>>1650170
>we wuz kangs and shiet

>>1650086
>>1650167
>>1650192
>machine guns
>1870

IF IT REQUIRES EXTERNAL POWER TO FIRE CONTINUOUSLY IT ISN'T A MACHINE GUN

THE MAXIM GUN WAS THE FIRST MACHINE GUN, THE GATLING GUN AND VOLLEY GUNS ARE NOT THE SAME THING

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1650178
France would have lost in 1914 without our boys in the BEF holding the line.
>charging across open ground towards machine guns and artillery in bright red pants
Typical French logic kek
>>1650198
getting rekt by Prussia despite having volley guns
FTFY m8

>>1650192
>France stopped Germany at the first Marne before Brits even arrived
>That was the BEF.

Epic troll senpai
The BEF numbered like 2,000 men at that moment and did jack shit in the First Marne
They only managed to send a significant ammount of men in the next year

>>1650192
>I'm waiting.
Mali, Ivory Coast, Chad, Libya, Central Africa. That's just the last couple of years.

>That was the BEF.
>First Battle of the Marne
>39 French divisions
>6 British divisions
Pathetic.

By your logic Britain never even came close to winning a single war in its entire history.

>>1650192
>That it's the French's fault for losing Indochina.

AHAHAHAHAHA.

I congratulate for your efforts anon.

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>>1650206
And Charleroi? And Mons?
>>1650208
>Mali, Ivory Coast, Chad, Libya, Central Africa. That's just the last couple of years.
>we can beat up African ex-colonies
>Libya
Look how well that turned out kek
>>1650211
It's the truth m8. At least we never had counterinsurgency issues in our colonies.

>>1650203
>After the battle of the Marne the German Armies retreated for up to 90 kilometres (56 mi) and lost 11,717 prisoners, 30 guns and 100 machine-guns to the French and 1,500 prisoners to the British before reaching the Aisne.

Wow, the British sure did most of the job, didnt they?

>>1644579
Catalonia have this problem that spain realy on this region economy.
Scotland will be first i think.

>>1650246
>Wow, the British sure did most of the job, didnt they?
We sure as hell tipped the scales at the Marne. Have you even read the memoirs of Churchill?

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>>1650240
>Brit downplaying the glory of beating niggers in Africa

Lmao dude, 70% of your glorious empire was built that way

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>>1650263
>India
>Australia
>Canada
More to our empire than a bunch of nogs. Unlike the fucking French lel

>>1650263
Not to mention they're much better equipped these days. Its not like they're fighting with spears.

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>>1650277
>indians
>abos
>natives

You had to make post pic related Nigel?

>>1650284
make me*

>>1650284
>le epic cherrypicking
Stay mad Jean-Louis

>>1650297
please show me your european empire Nigel

>>1650240

>we can beat up African ex-colonies
Britain can't even do that.

>Look how well that turned out kek
Pretty sure Qaddafi's still dead.

its only problem was that at the end of ww1 it wasnt allowed to rape germany as much as it wanted

>>1650307
Indirectly, we control NATO, which is how the old empire did things. By hegemony.
>>1650310
>country in chaos
>ISIS moves in
>haha good job Pierre mission accomplished

>>1650318
>english delusion

you couldn't even control the eu kek

>>1650297
Name one war Britain won against a Western country one on one. Not since 1900, at any time ever.

Actually forget about that, just name one war where Britain was more than just a sidekick in a giant coalition.

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>>1644553
>sexiest shape
I'm not even Italian but come on

>>1650318
Well the mission was to get rid of Qaddafi so I'd say that's pretty fucking accomplished.

Oh wait I hadn't see this
>we control NATO
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1650328
>a fucking boot

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>>1650335
you are right

>>1650323
>succumbing to Eurocrats in Brussels
In Europe but not of it son.
>>1650333
Can't handle the truths?

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>>1650318
How exactly does being America's bitch equate to "controlling NATO"
Is there no boundaries to British delusion?

>>1650327
falklands

>>1650345
USS Lapdog pls.

>>1650347
As the unsinkable aircraft carrier and chief European contributor to NATO, we hold a position of strategic supremacy over continental Europe. And if anything, America answers to us on European affairs.
>>1650327
Trafalgar.

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Look at all these triggered Frenchman haha

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>>1650353
>forgetting chile

>>1650353
>Western

Although I could also have removed "Western" and just inb4'd the Falklands because killing a few Latino teenagers after France disabled their missiles for you is literally Britain's only independent military achievement.

>>1650359
This is such obvious bait it borders onto sarcasm.

>>1650359
He said war, not battle

>>1650365
>triggered

We are also having fun with you Nigel

>>1650373
I don't see how stating the facts transfigures into bait, unless you are trying to prove my theory that Frenchmen are allergic to reason.

>>1650367
well part of what you asked was something we did on our own and the americans said it would be impossible for us to do it also another military achievement is that we didnt go into vietnam

>>1650381
>He said war, not battle
Peninsular War

>>1650359
>Trafalgar
>a pyrrhic victory in a war that you (and your gazillion allies) lost to France

lmao

>>1650390
>where Britain was more than just a sidekick

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>>1650395
>pyrrhic victory
Hahahahaha
>in a war that you (and your gazillion allies) lost to France
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>1650400
>implying that Britain's true strength wasn't and isn't in its friends

>>1650383
>we're in charge because we're America's most submissive bitch
ok buddy, ok.

>>1650390
>not even mentioning the spanish and the portuguese

>>1650401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Third_Coalition

>>1650403
>paying other countries to fight for you
>friends

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>>1650412
>hahaha let's kick NATO out of France
>France declines into irrelevance
All you had to do was not go full French asshole and you'd still have a seat at the big boy table
>>1650415
Irrelevant
>>1650416
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo
>>1650419
This, from the country that has no friends, only interests.

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>>1650359
>"As the unsinkable aircraft carrier"
>he's proud of his country basically being a big US aircraft carrier

>>1644553
>Initiate or aggravate every major military and diplomatic conflict in western Europe since the 11th century
>Krauts finally get fed up with your shit and rek you into an effeminate surrender monkey and economic dependent
>The Eternal Gaul having any semblance of even a single redeeming quality
This thread is weak even by /his/ shitpost standards, which is really, really saying something

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>>1650434
>he's proud of sacrificing his last chance at relevance by snubbing the US and kicking out NATO including war graves
>this is how French people act classy

>>1650447
This tbqh.

>>1650426

>>France declines into irrelevance
lmao France rose in relevance thanks to that, while Britain is a complete non-entity, literally just an extension of the US except you don't even get to influence American decisions.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Waterloo
>Britain's proudest moment is a battle where it played second fiddle to Prussia along with half a dozen other countries, as part of a war where Britain was maybe the fourth most important ally if that
Tells you all you have to know.

>the country that has no friends, only interests
That's every country.

>>1650447
Spot the 14/88th pure German American.

>>1650456
>lmao France rose in relevance thanks to that
French national self-delusions in action

>Britain's proudest moment is a battle where it played second fiddle to Prussia along with half a dozen other countries, as part of a war where Britain was maybe the fourth most important ally if that
>muh Prussians

>the country that has no friends, only interests
>That's every country.
Only the more dishonorable, cowardly, and ungrateful ones.

>>1644687
>calculus

Leibniz

>>1650359
>And if anything, America answers to us on European affairs.
British people are literally DPRK tier.

>>1650464
>Only the more dishonorable, cowardly, and ungrateful ones.
No, it's a principle of geopolitics, it doesn't only apply to Britain.

>>1650447
>weak thread

Op literally named a lot of redeeming qualities, not my fault you're a kraut/krautboo incapable of being objective.

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>>1650359
>brits are this delusional

>>1650468
Oresme.

>>1650468
Who still wasn't French.

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>>1650359
>if anything, America answers to us

>>1650469
only the ukip voting retards

>>1650478
>No, it's a principle of geopolitics, it doesn't only apply to Britain.
Frenchman spotted.
Loyalty to ones mates is a good quality to have in international relations. It's pretty fucking low to kick the liberators of your country out for muh national pride.
>>1650481
>>1650487

Name one example of the Americans putting one over us.

>>1650086
>La Gloire de France died with Napoleon.

Napoleon made it immortal.

>>1650496
Same with Nelson and Wellington.

while britain has become a racist and bitter shithole i dont think we are given the credit we deserve for ww2 same as france for ww1

>>1650492
>you bad! you should be a good slave and obey Massa America like I do! *slurp* *slurp*
ugh

>>1650501
>one guy who got blown to pieces by a French cannonball and one guy who was there when Prussia defeated heavily outnumbered French troops

Amazing, truly the stuff of legend.

>>1650501

lol Blucher

Old Boney and The French Republic did it by themselves, that's the difference.

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>>1650512
>hey Abdul the rosbifs and yankee scum have kicked out the Germans for us
>they lost hundreds of thousands of men in the process and restored the rightful government
>what should we do
>hahaha let's take credit for it
>and kick them out too, what have they ever done for us?
>>1650518
Poor quality bait

>>1650525
If the Americans were really trying to liberate France, then they should have no problem with France being independent and no longer under American occupation. If they were trying to conquer France, well then I guess they did a pretty bad job at it.

The full Stockholm syndrome way you defend your owner is truly nauseating though.

>>1650543
>they should have no problem with France being independent and no longer under American occupation
Being friendly allies is another thing entirely. Instead you went the full ungrateful little shit route like a nation of fucking toddlers.
>The full Stockholm syndrome way you defend your owner is truly nauseating though.
The US and the UK are best friends.

>>1650550
i hate being friends with the US id rather be closer to europe

>>1650558
>i hate being friends with the US id rather be closer to europe
>I'd rather be friends with the Germans that conquered us militarily and culturally
One to talk about Stockholm Syndrome kek

>>1650550
France wanted independence. Whats so difficult to understand?

>>1650550
>Being friendly allies
That's exactly what France is to America.

>The US and the UK are best friends.
lmao, no, you're nothing but their mindless cumrag.

>>1650569
>ignoring the fact we were allies with prussia for ages
good job
id rather be friends with these people than people who are scared of the word commie and the colour red

>>1650573
>That's exactly what France is to America.
Friends tell each other to get the fuck out all the time right?
>>1650570
No need to be a douche about it.

>>1650587
>id rather be friends with these people than people who are scared of the word commie and the colour red
>muh ebil Americans may may
We should blow up the Chunnel tbqh.

>>1650593
not evil just stupid

>>1650588
Friends don't maintain military occupation of friends and dictate their foreign policy. That's called a liege-vassal relationship.

>>1650597
That's pretty fucking arrogant right there.
>>1650600
>Friends don't maintain military occupation of friends and dictate their foreign policy
>What is the Cold War

>>1650569
>>1650593
You're talking to a Brit you complete retard.

>>1650605
If you don't know what the Cold War is you can google it.

>>1650569
>two countries who conquered each other and have a long violent history together should not try to be closer

>>1650606
Get the fuck out of my country.

>>1650605
im the eternal anglo what did you expect?

>>1650479
OP typed out a bunch of redeeming qualities of civilized peoples (mostly Anglos) and disingenuously attributed them to the Gaul. Not my fault you're a snail-sucking whoremonger incapable of being objective.

>>1650447
muh prussian heritage

>>1650682
7/10 nice try hans

>>1650682
inb4 you can't give any legitimate examples

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>>1650619
sometimes when proven wrong a ukipper will shout "bluddy foreigners" or "we are full" and occasionally "get out of my country" but do not fear these are just the confused screams of someone has just lifted the noose over his head

>>1650726
>English, later Russians, Germans, and Americans infinitely better at science
>Italians, Russians, and Austrians better at Arts
>English and Germans better at philosophy
>Long history of unprovoked aggression being checked by British, Spanish, and Germans/Austrians
>Last or second-to-last among its western Euro (and some eastern!) peers in every category listed
>Japan objectively best shaped (excluding the bits of Ch*na when applicable)
>Again, long, bloody history of unprovoked military aggression (inb4 shitposting about WWI and ignoring the Italian Wars, Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, French phase of 30 Years War, etc.)
>Always been backstabbing and vindictive

If anything, France is history's supervillain

>>1650837
>Again, long, bloody history of unprovoked military aggression (inb4 shitposting about WWI and ignoring the Italian Wars, Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, French phase of 30 Years War, etc.)
>Napoleonic Wars

You're aware these were started by Britain, right?

>Matters reached a diplomatic crisis point when the British rejected the idea of mediation by Tsar Alexander, and instead on 10 May ordered Whitworth to withdraw from Paris if the French did not accede to their demands in 36 hours.[42] Last minute attempts at negotiation by Talleyrand failed, and Whitworth left France on 13 May. Britain declared war on France on 18 May, thus starting the Napoleonic Wars that would rage in Europe for the following 12 years.[43]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Amiens

>>1650837
Francophobia is a mental illness

>>1650869
>France lying
Why am I not surprised?

Really, it goes back to 1792 when you (yes, you- not your "eternal Anglo" meme) declared war on Prussia and Austria.

>>1650881
You're aware the French Revolutionary Wars and the Napoleonic Wars arent the same thing, right?
The Napoleonic Wars were started in 1803 by Britain

By your logic one could claim that Austria started WW2 in 1914...

>>1650895
No. The Napoleonic Wars were a direct continuation, the link between WWI and WWII is grossly overstated.

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reminder to anglos
God choose a side against the forces of Evil

and not yours

>>1650837
>>English, later Russians, Germans, and Americans infinitely better at science
Stopped reading there, make it more subtle next time.

>>1651111
I'd stop reading too if my country was that stupid.

I'm amazed you made it this far.

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>>1644553
>arrogant country
>smelly people
>fought on protestant side of 30 years war just for power grab
>anticlericism
>Napoleon violently spread masonic ideologies across Europe all for glory
>lazy people
>Napoleon III kills swaths of his countrymen in Crimean war to stop Russia from RETAKING FUCKING CONSTANTINOPLE
>revolution of '68
France is the world's super villain.

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>systematically destroy philosophy, philology, psychology, plastic and pictorial arts, poetry and literature over the span of 150 years
>carry out a Revolution which was the worst fatality since the fall of Rome

The French are ripe for extinction, and one should help them along the path.

>his country will never cause this much butthurt

on est vraiment privilegies

>>1651235
>systematically destroy
You misspelled "singlehandedly create" there buddy.

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>>1651404

You're thinking of the Greeks faglord. Hellas was a thriving hub of culture, art and commerce while the Gauls were still hunting with sharp sticks and drawing on cave walls.

>>1650184
Wait, is Classical Greece not Western? Does that mean French Neoclassicism isn't Western either? Is it Asian? African?

>>1651429
Yeah and before that it was Egypt while the Greeks were still flinging shit at each other. Your point?

>>1651563
No, Greece is not in Western Europe, well spotted.

>>1651585

Greeks invented many things that the Egyptians and Persians did not. The French invented nothing but haute couture and haute cuisine.

>>1651601
Lmao, you'll be hard pressed to find something from the last 1000 years that wasn't invented by the French.

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>>1651617

>Lmao, you'll be hard pressed to find something from the last 1000 years that wasn't invented by the Germans

ftfy Pepe

>>1651638
Can you even name one thing?

>>1651638
Did you just post that photography as an example of a French invention?

>>1650837
>Italians, Russians, and Austrians better at Arts
France had always been center of the art world, and nearly all relevant artists have come from France or moved to France.
>English and Germans better at philosophy
France had has some of the most famous philosophers, I can think of no relevant English ones
>Long history of unprovoked aggression being checked by British, Spanish, and Germans/Austrians
Name that "long history" because I can't, as it doesn't exist
>Japan objectively best shaped (excluding the bits of Ch*na when applicable)
Japan was just lucky enough to be an island with natural borders, France looks the way it does from centuries of conflict
>Again, long, bloody history of unprovoked military aggression
Ok you just repeated what you said previously but lets see here... WW1 - German agression, Napoleonic wars - Coalition aggression against France, the only exception would be Spain, but it can be argued, Franco-Prussian war - Provoked by Prussians, but France declared war. France joined the 30 Years War because Hapsbugs were an enemy and then again religion was irrelevant because the war had little to do with fighting for that reason.
>Always been backstabbing and vindictive
Such as? If anything Britain deserves that title

>>1651586
You didn't say Western Europe. You said
>in Western history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe

>>1651669
>France had some of the most famous philosophers, I can think of no relevant English ones

That's because you're uneducated.

Have a single one of importance, John Locke.

If you want a more recent philosopher, AJ Ayer.

>>1650092
>besides, Descartes while influential, isn't as useful as Empiricists such as Locke, Bacon, and Hume.
You heard it here first, folks.

>Aside from Descartes, and Rousseuauau and Montesqueeueqie (both of whom are very important), who do the French have?
Well, other than some very influential "continental hacks" and the other philosophes, the latter of whom defined an era. there's also
>Abélard and Heloise, some of the most important medieval thinkers
>Auguste Comte, the father of modern sociology
>Poincaré, a philosopher of science who debatably thought up special relativity before Einstein did

And a few others I can't be bothered to mention. To believe the Dutch are the equals, let alone the superiors, to the French in philosophy is downright laughable (art is a different matter, the Dutch masters are top tier). On the other hand English philosophy, while interesting, mostly covers empiricism. If you equate empiricism to useful philosophy (a very narrow and short-sighted view) then the English trump the French, but in all other regards the French trump the English. Both in most influential philosophers (Descartes vs Hume) and in breadth.

As I said earlier, as far as the post-classical era goes only the Germans are in the same ballpark with such influential and brilliant thinkers as Kant, Hegel and Leibniz.

>>1644553
>275 replies
Can you idiots take your /int/shit elsewhere?

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>>1651646
>>1651649

That's Wilhelm Maybach you absolute slave. Along with this man, Gottlieb Daimler, he invented the internal combustion engine.

Nikola Tesla had something like 280 patents in 26 different countries. France was not one of them.

Get the fuck out with your elementary school tier history

>>1644553
>IQ dropped 4 points in a decade because third world immigration
Lel

>>1644621
Not a nation

>>1651707
Western history is the history of Western civilisation, not Greco-Roman civilisation.

>>1651820
The internal combustion engine was invented by the Niépce brothers.

>>1652274
>The internal combustion

you mean was invented by the American, John Stevens in 1798

>>1652354
>by the American, John Stevens in 1798

You mean the dutchman, Christiaan Huygens in the 17th century

>>1652354
>>1652366
The hell are you all on about, the first internal combustion engine was the Pyréolophore built by Nicéphore and Claude Niépce in 1807, this isn't even controversial.

>>1652403
maybe that's what they teach you in frogschool

1798: John Stevens builds the first double-acting, crankshaft-using internal combustion engine.

https://archive.org/details/johnstevensameri00turn

>>1652422
That guy apparently built a steam locomotive of some sort, that's it.

This thread is int without flag.

>>1652693
You can easily recognize frogs and bongs though

>>1652271
You don't seem to understand. Greece and Rome are Western, even though they aren't Western Europe. Just like Britain is part of the West, even though it's technically Northern Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe#Modern_divisions

>>1652271
Graeco-Roman is Western you dip

>>1644723
/thread

>>1652951
>>1652959
What are you babbling about? Britain is Western. Greece isn't Western neither geographically nor culturally.

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>>1652951
>>1652959
>We're totally ancient Greeks and Romans you guys! Praise Jupiter!

*tips crown of weeds*

>>1653128
great post mate

>>1653122
Did you read the article I linked? If you're going to insist that Classical Greece is not Western because modern Greece is not part of Western Europe, then you can't count Britain, Scandinavia, or Iberia as Western either. Western Europe refers to France, the Benelux countries, Switzerland, Germany, and Austria.

You, however, did not say Western Europe in >>1650127. You just said Western history, which, because we were discussing the merits of British and Spanish philosophers, was assumed to refer to Western culture, not Western Europe.

>Ancient Greece is considered the birthplace of Western culture, with the world's first democratic system of government and major advances in philosophy, science and mathematics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture

>>1653128
The debate was about ancient Greece, because the other anon said that Plato and Aristotle weren't Western philosophers.

>>1653212
How the fuck aren't Britain and Iberia Western, have you ever seen a map? They're literally the Westernmost points in Europe. I can't tell if this is bait or just extreme retardedness.

>You just said Western history
Which refers to Western civilisation. The West is the civilisation which appeared during the Middle Ages in Catholic Western Europe. It is not the same as Greco-Roman civilisation, which is an ancient extinct civilisation that died about a millennium earlier, and which is no more closely related to us than it is to the Muslims. Claiming we belong to that same civilisation is Renaissance WEWUZISM from Italians who were trying to pass themselves off as ancient Romans. That there are still people parroting this braindead nonsense 600 years later on a supposed history board makes me lose all hope for humanity.

>>1653250
>Claiming we belong to that same civilisation is Renaissance WEWUZISM from Italians who were trying to pass themselves off as ancient Romans. That there are still people parroting this braindead nonsense 600 years later on a supposed history board makes me lose all hope for humanity.

Nobody is claiming that you sophist. An anon merely claimed that Plato and Aristotle were western philosophers, and most sources agree:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_philosophy
A History of Western Philosophy - Bertrand Russell
http://www.philosophybasics.com/general_western.html
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Western-philosophy

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato/
"Plato (429?–347 B.C.E.) is, by any reckoning, one of the most dazzling writers in the Western literary tradition"

Before you say "but hah! I said western history not philosophy!"

Western History has no single division, but the Romans and Greeks are included the majority of the time. Simply chucking insults and strawmen at people and saying they are "parroting braindead nonsense" just makes you look like a dip.

>>1653285
West refers to Western civilisation, which ancient Greeks don't belong to. That's a historical reality that isn't changed by the opinions of random people with no understanding of history. If you want to resort to arguments of authority, you'll find that all historians that seriously studied civilisations make a clear distinction between ancient Greco-Roman and Western.

>>1653301
well that's all well and fine except we're not arguing whether the ancient greeks are part of western civilization, but whether they were part of western history, and the western philosophical tradition, which they are.

an if somebody is talking about western history in relation to philosophy, they are 99% of the time going to include Greek philosophy.

also when one says western history, they don't necessarily refer to "western civilisation", and they definitely do not always refer to your definition

here's another source that will wind you up:

https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-history-basics/beginners-art-history/a/a-brief-history-of-western-culture

"In the West, writing was invented in ancient Mesopotamia just before 3000 B.C.E., so this period includes visual culture (paintings, sculpture, and architecture) made before that date."

;)

anyway i've got dinner now, so seeya

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>>1644576
literally a chick
>imblying

>>1653383
lmao nice coast.

>>1653326
>In the West, writing was invented in ancient Mesopotamia just before 3000 B.C.E

What the fuck, that's just completely retarded. Did they talk about China or something right before? Except Mesopotamia is the first place where writing was invented so that wouldn't make any sense either.

>>1655430
Writing was independently developed in Egypt, Mesopotamia, China, and possibly India.

Egypt and Mesopotamia are tied, since they both evolved a written language from a proto-writing system around the same time.

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>>1655430
I guess they define "the West" as the entirety of the relevant world since the beginning of humanity.