ITT: post your favorite historical figure other people say bad

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>>1625093
>Captures the enemy and his son
>Lets them go

>>1625150
Didnt put willy on a leash

Also mine
>Enver pasha

jesus christ

>>1625093
Enver Hoxha

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>B-but Fabius Maximus was TRULY the guy who brought him down!

>He is a Greekaboo!

Luther
Hitler

>>1625287

He wasn't the son of god.

>>1625306

Both lead Germany to ruin.

>>1625305
Is a nigger

>>1625150
broke balance of power

this kills the Europe

>>1625306
one lead to 30 year war
other lead to rape of berlin and the domination of the commies

If you really like Germany you would hate both

if you hate Germans and Euros (and jews) they should be your favorites

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>>1625703
He allowed the execution of Otillio Montaño on some pretty flimsy charges.

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try to say something bad about him without embarrassing yourself

>>1625753
He was Italian.

>>1625753
He dressed like a dickhead

>>1625753
like Alex he was mostly victorious because everyone else had the idiot ball or were secretly for him.

unlike Alex he lost

>>1625753
I always thought that Napoleon looked somewhat like Chris-chan in this painting.

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>>1625093
great general

>>1625787
jewish

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>>1625829
>Pompey conquers the rest of the advanced Hellenistic world
>Caesar attacks a bunch of unwashed barbarians
>Caesar goes down as the strategic genius while Pompey gets forgotten

life's so unfair

>>1625848
He lost.

>>1625922
but if he didn't disband his army he would've kicked Caesar's ass

how was he suppose to know that Caesar was a law-breaking cheat?

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>>1625093

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>>1625789
Fuck me up dude - I can't unsee that

>>1625789
I always thought he looked kind of like Ted Cruz.

>>1625738

He's asian

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He was 10x what Nero wanted to be, designed the Pantheon, ushered-in the Pax Romana, spent NO time on his ass in Rome but instead toured and secured the Empire for over two decades. And he had the sweetest boipucci the Empire could provide all unto himself.

Cyrus the Great

>>1625690
I would mainly blaim the Catholic Church for the 30 years war. Luther tried to fix it's corruption and then it got out of hand, much because of the church's reaction.

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>>1625093

>>1626115
People forget how the slaugter of Magdeburg impacted the peoples opinion on the church.
It was kind of a medieval version of an exterminatus by the holy roman emprah.

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>>1626221
>Edgelord

>>1626261
>magnificent beardlord

>>1625666
More like he balenced Europe, it was the man child Wilhelm who broke it

>>1626261
>Republics are suddenly edgy

>>1626261
holy fuck where the guan dao touches the base of the statue

fuckin cancer in my eyes

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>>1625093
Find a flaw.
Protip: you can't.

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>>1625093

>>1625285
He had the right ideas but he was incompetent as fuck.

>>1626291

fucked boys

>>1626312
Like a patrician

>>1626291
I was gonna buy a book about him but then I realized I don't care

>>1626288
fled constantinople like a bitch

>>1626517
>t. mehmet
You wish kiddo, he died fighting the t*rks together with his soldiers until the bitter end
t. byzaboo

>>1625753

He was short, lol

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>>1626943
It was the Jews of Constantinople who opened the gates of Byzantium to the Turks!

Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus

>>1625666
>i know nothing about bismarck
ok

>>1626965
WTF I hate jews now!

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>>1625093

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>>1625150
He got too cocky and was too comfortable with killing German citizens just because they were socialists. Also creating the modern welfare state.

>>1625150
He created Germany

>>1625738
He stopped what could have been the most badass land war ever between Samurai and Chinese warriors. Imagine all the anime we lost because of him

>>1626106
He forgot the Roman economy was built entirely around conquering people to replenish capital, and fucked up everything REALLY quickly because of it.

>>1626291
Only fought a bunch of retarded t*rkroaches.

>>1627133
Didn't fuck up the greeks, and left it to his retarded son instead.

>>1627161
Cant say anything bad about that guy really, save for the fact that his son shouldve quit fucking around and get a legit heir.

>>1625753
Logistics, nigger, haven't you heard of it?
>>1625787
Write down shit so your apostles wouldnt be making up bullshit stories.
>>1626261
Obey your lord's commands, fucktard.
>>1626288
Totally did not flee, nope.
>>1627133
Serves him right, he trusted Scythian barbarians.

>>1627180
He did logistics he took everything he could get for this mission

it's just no amount of 19th century (or 20th century) prep work can get you ready for Russian winters.

>>1627180
Napoleon was actually a genius when it came to logistics. That's what made him such a successful general. When he invaded Russia he had everything planned right down to the lat wine bottle. It wasn't his fault that the Russian's burned their land to the ground and that he faced an unusually cold winter.

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>>1625738
>constantly protects corrupt assholes who screw him over

basically pic related

>>1627013
he tried to rebuild the balance but it was already broken. He humiliated France, made Britain nervous, brought about Italy. It was already in shambles when Welhelm got to it.

>>1625765
>try to say something bad about him without embarrassing yourself
Hmm.. try again

>>1627264
>>1627265
Or maybe he could just have listened to the Poles who actually knew about the climate and had a long experience of fighting the Russians?

>>1627264
>>1627265
Nope.jpg.

Napoleon is famous for disregarding an 18th Century trend in European logistics: supply corps, supply depots, and stockpiling.

Largely because Napoleon believed that shit slowed his army down. He was right, but it also meant his soldiers were a medieval tier army that foraged for food and became pain in the asses to the people they marched through.

>>1625753
Too much hubris when it came to Russia.

>>1627278
He fixed the balance, it was autistic Willy that broke it by being a warhawk

>>1625093
>of Woodstock
Was he the knight of Rock'n'Roll?

>>1627180
HE
>DID
>NOT
>FLEE
REEEEEEEEE GET OUT OF MY BOARD T*RKROACHES

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This guy was so fucking hardcore that I only dare to post his coat of arms.

>>1625949
>how was he suppose to know that Caesar was a law-breaking cheat?

Pretty sure that's why he conspired against Caesar in the senate.

>>1625753
Abandoned his Army in Egypt,with selfish motives, at his first opportunity.

>>1625829
Got hundreds of thousands of people killed, enslaved, impoverished, maimed and left homeless for his personal ambition.

>>1628631
mah nigga

>>1628631
>green and yellow
shit color scheme

>>1627137
touche

>>1627161
he lost,his country occupied by turks for centuries

he did everything wrong

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Sir Geoffrey de Charny... the guy dying with the oriflamme.

>>1628668
well he didn't suspect he was THAT much of a law-breaking cheat

>>1628675
>gotta defend my nation against the 2nd coalition
>selfish motivation
sure dude

>>1630008
>Wanted to end the Cold War via a Nuclear Holocaust

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>>1628675
To be entirely fair, part of the peace negotiations for Amiens was the guaranteed safe return of the French soldiers deployed in Egypt. He abandoned them, but he never forgot them.

>>1625753
One of my favorite historical figures as well, but these are some bad things about him:
1. He reinstituted slavery. What the FUCK Boney? What happened to your "I will be the messiah of the revolution" bullshit? Slavery? Seriously?
2. He reinstituted the nobility and created 2000+ new noble ranks. Again, what the fuck? What happened to egalitarianism and meritocracy? Nobles? You know that makes you just as bad as all the retards running the rest of Europe, right?

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>>1625731
Destoyed 4000 years of cultrual heritage and sucked imperialist dicks. Literally a pedophile.

袁世凱沒犯錯

>>1625150
Tried ethnically cleanse Germany from non-German people and culture.

>>1625287
A manchild hippie.

>>1625299
Was a paranoid chinklover and turned his country into shit.

>>1625753
Inferiority complex.

>>1625829
Abolished the Republic.

>>1625857
Interfered in European theater in WW2 by actively sending weapons to UK and USSR.

>>1630008
Showed political incompetence by suggesting a nuclear war with China.

>>1625753
Couldn't do a situp.

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Perfect guys don't exi--

>>1626261

What mmorpg is this from?

>>1631695
>yfw China is just a real life mmorpg

>>1627152
You're thinking of Darius the Great.

>>1631684
Most of his achievements were done by others, and conflated through fiction. Real life Zhuge Liang achieved little, and what he did achieve failed to continue past him in a meaningful way. He helped create a state that barely lasted two generations.

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debatably historical, but he's dead now (rip and & pbuh) and hadn't been in politics since 1990, so I think he qualifies

name one flaw

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FUCKING NORMANS REEE GET OUT

>>1632107
bad family name

>>1625848
Yet kaesar defeated easily the "conqueror of civilized peoples".
Thus making him better

>>1632348
Had a daughter who was a major slut for Bohemond's cock.

>>1625093
Why not by his more popular moniker, the Black Prince?

>>1632570
i figured people would recognize his actual name better

>>1626291
Failed to actually politically organise the arabs or screwed them over by not telling them about the Sykes-Picot agreement.

>>1625753
He's a wop cuck

>>1631338
If you think Enver Hoxha turned Albania into shit, you should read up on what it was like before him. Albania fucking needed Hoxxy. Or just anything that wasn't related to the monarchy.

>>1625753
He has a funny little jacket and funny little shoes

>>1625753
BTFO by the Portuguese

>>1632660
Albania needed a bunker for every man woman and child.

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>>1625960
I guess he's perfect then.

pls respond

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>inb4 he's not historical

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The only bad thing there is to say is that you can now say bad things.

>>1626255
Wasn't that how cities who refused to surrender early usually were treated?