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>>1623259
Three Brothers shit is Southern Chinese crap.

Northern Chinese just have something dedicated to either the ancestors, or those meme statuettes of Confucius, Laozi, and Mencius

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>>1623259
>Three brothers promised they'd kill themselves if one of them died with their Oath of the Peach Garden
>Liu Bei and Zhang Fei don't kill themselves after Guan Yu dies
>Liu Bei doesn't kill himself after Zhang Fei dies

I don't even know who they are lmao

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删除此!!!!

>>1623259
>Building shrines dedicated to Worst Kingdom

>Zhuge Liang
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/92945620562
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/26502234029

>As I always say when we’re dealing with Shu, history gets very confused about them. Shu had no official historians. In fact, it was illegal to be a historian in Shu. All of Shu’s “official” records - which were then integrated into the official Records of the Three Kingdoms - came from the writings of one person. Who banned the historians? Who wrote those records? Who is responsible for the image of Zhuge Liang as the greatest military mind of all time?

>Zhuge Liang.

>Yeah…all of Shu’s records - which contain the most information on Zhuge Liang - were written by Zhuge Liang himself. Given all of the propaganda he spread about so many others during his time, can you even imagine the things he made up about himself?
REMINDER THAT ZHUGE LIANG IS THE /his/ ANTICHRIST

HE BANNED HISTORIANS TO PROPAGATE LIES LIKE HIM BEING A GIANT

>One “chi” is approximately equal to one Imperial foot (or .3 meters). This means that, according to Shu’s official records, Zhuge Liang was 8 feet tall (that’s 2.4 meters for my metric friends). While we don’t have any official sources to discredit that claim, if you believe he was 8 feet tall, you’re an idiot.

>Liu Bei
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/97228936927

>It is simply amazing that a man like Liu Bei became the hero of the story because by all rights, he should be the villain.

>Guan Yu
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/101281134272

>TL;DR: It’s amazing that a man who was such a liability to his own army was deified as the God of War.

>Zhang Fei
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/74235301932

>He beat his soldiers and killed them when he felt like it. He engaged in banditry, kidnapping, rape, and murder.

Yes, I hate tumblr too.

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>Kongming fags are this desperate

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OUT OF MY WAY SHU FUCKING SHITS

>>1623309
>http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/92945620562

They are deified for their bravery, wits and above all, LOYALTY. No one ever said they where invincible.

Get back to tumblr, youre family name is probably Sima isn't it!! You beast!!

>>1623311
You're just a butt-damaged Chao-Chao fan boy mad that your boy didn't have the Chinese Da Vinci on his side.

How are those repeater crossbows and flame spitting dragon cannons treating you? Oh wait, you don't have those Hahahahhaha

>>1623259
I am great fan of Zhuge Liang need to know his present following and info

>>1623319
kek

They're slimy bastards, far from loyal

>>1623335
He was a renouned military strategist, engineer, poet, astronomer and overall polymath in the service of the kingdom of Shu.

Ledgend has him playing a pivotal role in key battles such as the clash at Red Cliff, in which tales tell he came up with the idea of using the wind that was blowing toward enemy lines to light their ships on fire. It worked.

He also oversaw the campaign to pacify the southern Nanman tribes in the difficult mountainous reaches of southwestern China.

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>>1623366
He was a fraud. Failed against Wei. Failed against Shu.

>>1623319
>LOYALTY
Guan Yu betrayed Liu Bei by surrendering to Cao Cao then betrayed Cao Cao to join Liu Bei. Liu Bei literally betrayed every major warlord he served with.

>>1623366
Zhuge Liang was only one of many great minds of the time period. He only got so much attention because he had less competition in the comparatively isolated Shu and did not have to compete with the galaxies of talent that appeared in Wei and Wu. And even then, Qiao Zhou et al were probably more talented poets, astronomers, and polymaths than Zhuge Liang ever was. Zhuge Liang was more a patron and sponsor of polymaths than a polymath himself.

>>1623309
>One “chi” is approximately equal to one Imperial foot (or .3 meters). This means that, according to Shu’s official records, Zhuge Liang was 8 feet tall (that’s 2.4 meters for my metric friends). While we don’t have any official sources to discredit that claim, if you believe he was 8 feet tall, you’re an idiot.

Ha, look at the irony of an idiot calling others idiots.

A 尺 may be 0.3 meters in modern times, but it was about 0.23 meters at the end of Han. 8 尺 is a perfectly believable 1.8 meters or 6 feet tall.

>>1623259
I'm only on page 200 guys

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>>1623259
>have Mandate of Heaven
>lose

>>1623422

>Failed against Shu.

How can he fail against his own sountry you twat. You're thinking of Wu, but you still fail anyway.

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I have been reading this entire thread with tears in my eyes while listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa14MVSgGp0

How can people who have benefitted so much from the Han now be so much against it?
Do you not value loyalty?
Do you not value filial piety?
Do you not value virtuousness?
Who are you anyway? Just a random bunch of Cao and Sun supporters with nothing to show for yourselves.
If Cao Cao was so great, why did Sima Yi managed to steal everything from him in the end?
Why do you support failed traitors who have not an inch of land to be buried and whose ancestral temples are already desecrated?

>>1623259

Who?

>>1623297
why did I laugh

Even biologically speaking, he was a success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuge_Village

>"The majority of villagers living in Zhuge Village today constitute a full quarter of Zhuge Liang’s remaining 16,000 46th- to 55th-generation descendants."[1] According to the population census completed in the end of 1992, there are about 890 families and 2879 people in the village.

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>>1623288
Goddammit, I knew this was going to happen.
I'm watching the 2010 series and I had a feeling the Liu Bei was going to weasel his way out of his promise.

>>1624218
Sorry anon I didn't think I'd spoil anyone. You're in for a 10/10 series though, I enjoyed every minute of it (except the Diaochan bullshit)

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>>1624327
No worries, I don't really care about spoilers.
The show's been great so far and I'm even warming up to the Shu faction.
Zhuge Liang and Zhou Yun are still boring mary sue types, but it's becoming clear to me that Liu Bei's hypocricy is an actual character trait, rather than bad writing.
The character became a lot more interesting when I realised he is just a Cao Cao who pretends he's better than he really is and uses the loyalty and hero angle as a means to get what he wants, instead of actually being a hero.

>>1623259
Okay, literally how do you pronounce Cao Cao?

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>>1624098
Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Prime Minister Cao Ahman? It's a Chinese legend. Cao Cao was a Lord of Wei, so powerful and so wise, he could use Emperor Xian to influence the heavens to create...Liu Bei butthurt. He had such a knowledge of warfare, he could even keep the ones he cared about...from being cucked. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power...which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice Sima Yi everything he knew. Then his apprentice ended his line of succession. Ironic. He could save others from being cucked...but not himself.

>>1624146
>only one village
>biologically successful
Real successful ones have tens to hundreds of villages. Seriously, look them up.

>>1624396
The C is the same c in prinCe

>>1624510
Sima Yi's connection to Cao Cao is rather overblown (probably due to Jin propaganda to shore up their image as successor to Wei). Yeah, the two were close, but Sima Yi was only one of many younger officers who could claim to have been "apprentices" to Cao Cao.

But on the other hand, Sima Yi did end up outliving all the other ones, so...

>>1624662
>Real successful ones have tens to hundreds of villages. Seriously, look them up.
More like people sharing the surname fabricate genealogies to claim famous historical figures as ancestors.

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>>1623259
>three kingdoms romance
>it's actually 1 vs 1 boring shit because two of the kingdoms join to fight the third

Wew lad

Shu is shit
Wei is ok
Wu is underrated and has a nice color scheme but is ultimatley just ok
Jin boyz is where its at

>>1624365
Note where he throws his son onto the ground, this brain damage will come into play later on.

>>1623859
>Liu Bei literally betrayed every major warlord he served with.
Don't forget that while Lady Bian accompanied Cao Cao on many campaigns, Liu Bei was the only warlord of the era known to have abandoned his family on no less than THREE separate occasions to save himself.

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>>1624708

>but when he was winning he lost in the end.

>>1623319
Liu Bei never even comprehended the concept of loyalty, let alone lived as an exemplar of it

Reminder that Zhuge 'why does it always rain on me' Liang did everything wrong.

Reminder that Sima Yi did nothing wrong.

>>1624365
It's worse than that: Liu Bei actually buys into his own hype. When he's not failing miserably and being thrown into episodes of crippling self-doubt.

>>1625145
That's not even mentioning how he choose to kill Liu Feng despite being loyal and competent since he already choose Liu Chan.

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I started watching this series a few days ago. Previously my only experience with the 3 Kingdoms had been the movie Red Cliff which had a very clear "good vs evil" plot line. Its really cool to see the different points of view this show offers. I find myself hating characters at first and then slowly growing to like them (Lu Bu) or loving characters at first and then growing to dislike them (Liu Bei).

>>1625689
Plebeian: Shu
Contrarian: Jin/Wu
Patrician: Wei

>>1625689

sauce?

>>1625926
Three Kingdoms 2010, it's on YouTube

>>1625079

His goat (literally goat, the animal) face and his dumb laugh made me kek everytime. Same with Cao Cao's laugh.
Where they trying to make us empathize with the villains?

>>1624692
Chinese people have a massive boner with genealogies. Ancestor worship and stuff like that. People in the same extended family gather every few decades to update their genealogical trees. I would trust them on this one.

>>1626313
>Villains
The only villains were Lu Bu and his horrible evil adopted father Dong Shou. Cao Cao was only trying to restore the glory of the Han dynasty.

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alright so listen

zhuge even uses his knowledge of weather patterns for the arrow collecting trick. how does he get rekt by fucking rain in the end?

>tfw can't play DW the same after watching Three Kingdoms
Does anyone know if Legend of Chu and Han is worth watching? I've heard it had a mixed reception.

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>>1626421
>wanting to play Dynasty Warriors at all
kys tbqh familia

That series is hot fucking garbage.

>>1626313
>Chinese people have a massive boner with genealogies.
Most surviving genealogies date to the Qing dynasty.

Claims of common descent was used to solicit aid or to fabricate a prestigious lineage.

> Ancestor worship and stuff like that. People in the same extended family gather every few decades to update their genealogical trees. I would trust them on this one.
It doesn't matter who updates the genealogical tree if you see random historical figures that are included because they happen to share the same surname ie Liu Bang,Liu Bei etc.

>>1626483
Isn't that exactly the same way Liu Bei justified his reign?

>>1626347
black swan event, even with all his earthly knowledge he couldn't be 100% accurate all the time, shu han were noble and virtuous but heaven favored sima yi

>>1626492
The difference is that Liu Bei's purported Imperial ancestry is relatively recent and corroborated by historical sources.

Modern day Liu's(including my maternal ancestors) would have nothing to substantiate their claims.

>>1626492
Liu Bei only had to make up being related to his father, who was recorded in imperial records.

>>1623328
>implying Wei didn't have inventor geniuses
Wei has Ma Jun

>>1625798
Based off of that show? Yeah.

Wu gets pretty shortchanged by the narrative being very much about Cao Cao vs Liu Bei (and later Sima Yi vs Zhuge Liang).

>>1626332
>Lu Bu
>evil
>When the incarnation of treachery, opportunism, and hypocrisy Liu Bei is right there

>>1626997
Lu Bu attempted to destroy the house of Cao off of pure suspicion and was a dog to his step father. He is not better than the dog Dong Shou made him.

What would China look like now had Zhuge Liang succeeded, and Shu had united the empire?

>>1627172
They never had a chance.

And why are you asking this like the Jin didn't collapse nearly immediately, for that matter?

>>1626502
>shu han were noble and virtuous
>shu han were noble and virtuous
>shu han were noble and virtuous

>>1627194
Because had Shu won, there would have been no Jin, and no collapse of Jin.

All you had to do was follow the damn Lu Bu, CJ

>>1627227
>Tiny Shu commanded by incompetents and forced to lose supplies due to rough terrain.
>Winning against the massive forces of Wei filled with brilliant officers and fortified and well-supplied due to the Tuntian system.

>>1627227
Shu wouldn't have lasted any longer than Jin did.

>>1627172
>>1627227
Shu couldn't even maintain a record-keeping department. Who could seriously expect them to have even a shot of conquering Wei?

>>1626313
dong zhuo laugh > sima yi wheezing laugh
they're both amazing but I can't help but want to hang out with dong zhuo, seems like such a fun guy

>>1626510

You're aware that Liu Bei lived 1800 years ago right? He had children, and his children also had childre, and so on. 50 generations later there must be thousands of Liu Bei's descendants. Its not impossible.

>>1628739
There is no way modern day Liu clans can prove their descent from Liu Bei unless you have a DNA sample.(Even Cao Cao's purported descendants aren't always related to him)

Whether or not there are modern day descendants of Liu Bei isn't the point.

The point is not all Liu clans are descended from the Han imperial family and oldest extant genealogies date to the Song.

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>>1623259
>Before the thread begins, you must get on your knees and worship Kongming and accept that the Han, ruling by the will of Heaven, are the only righteous form of government, even greater than Cao Cao!
I have a shrine to Imperial Father Dong, his will is the will of the Emperor.

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>make some friends watch this
>"haha anon, is like chinese Game of Thrones"

srsly, guys, are there any other chinese shows like Three Kingdoms?

>>1628938

I loved Lu Bu in this series. He was pride personified. 10/10 acting. Almost shed a single tear when he died. That episode took me by surprise.

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>>1628975
>that time Cao Cao took Lu Bu's wife
What a dastardly fellow. Why does he love taking other Lord's wives?

>>1628938
Maybe Story of Han Dynasty.

>>1623309
This site seems very interesting for Chinese history, but it is weak on Crusade history.

For example:

>Of all the French lords, only King Philip himself could rival Raymond’s power and prestige.

King Phillip was not that strong. There were plenty of French lords that were stronger.
And the Duke of Aquitaine was more powerful than Raymond.

>>1629187
His Chinese history is pretty bad too. He can't read Chinese, so his interpretations are basically a big telephone game where he reads summaries made by non-Chinese speaking historians who read stuff written by Chinese speaking historians who read the Chinese history records. Needless to say they're full of wrong assumptions.

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>>1626421
I don't think Legend of Chu and Han has English subtitles

I am an East Aryan Korean of dongyi Manchu descent (Manchus and Koreans are the same) and the Han Chinese are my sworn enemies. They are mere peasants and slaves to the Korean nobleman and Korea and China have nothing to do with each other

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>>1630564
t. barbarian revisionist

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>>1626313
My grandmother is Koryo-saram and My grandfather was born in Manchu provinces. The members of my family, They have Nanai-Korean blood in their veins. And as of the present, Our family is living in korea. Our relatives are living in Russia, Primorsky and Sakhalin. Our ancestors originate from the antient Suksin. The province of the Suksin tribe are Primorsky in russia and regions in Amur. Korea and Manchu are in the same cultural area. therefore, Korean and the Manchu language may be different but they still come from the same root(The Southern Tungus group).The ancestors of the Koreans are not the Manchu people. the Ancestrial of the Koreans are from the Yemaekhaan tribe. The Ymh tribe and Suksin tribe for a long period of time have exchanged culture in language, and culture. They travelled back and forth to Primorsky and the Manchu regions. The South Manchu region's first ruler were the Gojoseon of Yemaekhaan tribe, and East-yi,West-yi,North-yi,Ku-yi,, We are all like yi-brothers

Why do I have to worship dead bodies when I can actually read about them and know what they did and preserve their memory on the next generation

>>1630784
Why did you reply to all these anons? No one gives a shit about your we wuz delusions we are talking three kingdoms here.

>>1629698
When will the Records of the Three Kingdoms (三國志) be translated in English?

>>1631020
Never.

Though there's this idiot who's trying:
http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com

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Out of all the periods of history I've found interesting.
Three Kingdoms has always been the most intriguing to me.

I read the first vol. in 8th grade after binging on Dynasty Warriors 4 for weeks.
Probably replayed that game 3 times in full.

Seriously can't get enough of it.

>tfw Xiahou Dun never actually did much.

>>1631196
He was Cao Cao's right hand from day one. That's not much to you?

>Guan "got absolutely fucking destroyed by a sick and dying old man" Yu
To be fair though Lu Meng was the only good Wu

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>>1623259
>not piously attending to your ancestors and Zao Jun, and MAYBE the Amitābha

>>1630978
you don't worship dead bodies, you worship their spirits, as they have ascended to immortality through their legendary deeds. Duh.

>>1631196
>tfw Xiahou Dun never actually did much.
This stupid meme again.

http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com/post/143696666937/

>When Tàizǔ [Cáo Cāo] first raised troops, Dūn always served as vice commander and followed on campaign. When Tàizǔ became Acting General Exerting Martial Ability [190], Dūn was his Major, commanding a separate division at Báimǎ, was promoted to Colonel Breaking Charges, with office as Administrator of Dōng-jùn.
Xiahou Dun was Cao Cao's second-in-command from the beginning.

>He returned to authority as Administrator of Chénliú and Jìyīn, was promoted to General Establishing Martial Ability, with fief as Marquis of Gāo’ān village. At that time there was a great drought and a rising of locusts. Dūn therefore dammed the Tàishòu river to create a pond, personally carrying soil, and led the officers and soldiers in planting rice paddies, and the people depended on this benefit.
Chenliu and Jiyin were the centers of the Yanzhou rebellion against Cao Cao. Xiahou Dun's appointment there means he was in charged with pacifying and rebuilding the war-ravaged territory.

>He was transferred to authority as Intendant of Hénán.
Xiahou Dun defended Cao Cao's left flank during the confrontation with Yuan Shao at Guandu.

>While Tàizǔ pacified the [Yellow] River’s north, he was the commanding General defending the rear.
Self-explanatory. Cao Cao's conquest of the north was only possible due to Xiahou Dun supporting from the rear.

>Twenty-first year [216] he followed in the campaign against Sūn Quán and returned. Dūn was employed as Regional Commander over twenty-six armies remaining at Jūcháo.
Xiahou Dun was essentially commander-in-chief of the eastern front for a while, and apparently did a stand-up job putting pressure there because in 217 Sun Quan made nominal surrender in exchange for having Xiahou Dun's 26 armies removed.

>>1629086
It was his fetish I guess. He had about 8 women in his haram and all were previously married except lady bian who at the very least was a courtesan.

>>1632307
Lu Xun was the most able man the south ever had from start to finish. His exile was the biggest mistake sun quan ever made.

>>1632642
Cao Cao?
More like Cuck Cuck, amirite?

>>1632642
Uh huh. Why don't you actually try listing those 8 instead of making shit up?

While romantic portrayal just loves to cast Cao Cao as having a wife-stealing fetish, I've never actually seen any particularly strong evidence for it in historical records, especially considering that-

>>1632675
-at the time stealing other men's wives was considered a sign of male dominance. The male taking another's wife was the cuckoo stealing the nest from the cuckold, not the other way around. This was also why it was accepted practice for a conqueror to take the women of a conquered leader's harem and family into his own harem, as in the case of Sima Yan taking over Sun Hao's massive harem, such that it is said that Sima Yan's harem numbered over ten thousand women.

One might easily speculate that the image of Cao Cao stealing other men's wives was a natural development from earlier images of Cao Cao as victorious conqueror.

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Give me some officers that served under Liu Yu so I can create them in ROTK XI so he doesn't immediately get steam rolled by Gongsun Zan or Yuan Shao.

>>1632910
Xianyu Fu, Qi Zhou, Xianyu Yin, and Yan Rou

http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com/post/148280006149/

>>1632843
>Uh huh. Why don't you actually try listing those 8 instead of making shit up?
Lady Du, Lady Bian, Lady Qin, Lady Yin, Lady Liu, Sun and Li. Straight from the SGZ and there is a general consensus that although it may be biased there is no text given higher historical accuracy. At least try to look it up for yourself before you open your mouth like a retard.

>>1632923
Ooh, thank you. This was an interesting read, fuck Gongsun Zan. I wonder what stats they should be given.

>>1633033
Again you're making shit up. All you did was list the names of Cao Cao's consorts who had children given in SGZ 20 and then claim it's "straight from the SGZ" when it's demonstrably not. I know because I've read SGZ 20. It's just a list of names, nothing about any previous marriage.

>>1633149
This is the last time I respond to you, you're either a troll or lazy. You haven't read the SGZ or you would have noticed in many biographies Cao Cao is said to have taken somebody's widow as his wife. Specifically Zhang Xiu, the yuans, cao pis has lady bian if i remember correctly. Regardless I have told you where to find this information. You can keep frothing like a retard if you wish but I am no longer willing to help you(assuming you're just stupid) or argue with you(assuming you're just a stupid troll).

Last point assuming you are just a retard, the SGZ is not linear from start to finish. Additional information about a particular person is frequently found elsewhere, in this case his wives. Regardless, it IS there.

>>1633213
你一定沒讀過三國志, 因為你一定不懂文言文。

Fools like you irresponsibly spouting nonsense and incorrect interpretations and then saying "Oh, but it's totally in SGZ" are the reason everyone believes completely made-up stories taken from the novel are true or based on true events.

You have definitely not read any portion of 三國志 in any detail.

>>1633033
>>1633213
From SGZ 20:
卞皇后生文皇帝、任城威王彰、陳思王植、蕭懷王熊,劉夫人生豐愍王昂、相殤王鑠,環夫人生鄧哀王沖、彭城王據、燕王宇,杜夫人生沛穆王林、中山恭王袞,秦夫人生濟陽懷王玹、陳留恭王峻,尹夫人生范陽閔王矩,王昭儀生趙王幹,孫姬生臨邑殤公子上、楚王彪、剛殤公子勤,李姬生穀城殤公子乘、郿戴公子整、靈殤公子京,周姬生樊安公均,劉姬生廣宗殤公子棘,宋姬生東平靈王徽,趙姬生樂陵王茂。
>Empress Bian bore [Cao Pi, Cao Zhang, Cao Zhi, Cao Xiong]
>Lady Liu bore [Cao Ang, Cao Shuo]
>Lady Huan bore [Cao Chong, Cao Ju, Cao Yan]
>Lady Du bore [Cao Lin, Cao Gun]
>Lady Qin bore [Cao Jun]
>Lady Yin bore [Cao Ju]
>Lady Wang bore [Cao Gan]
>Lady Sun bore [Cao Zishang, Cao Biao, Cao Ziqin]
>Lady Li bore [Cao Zicheng, Cao Zizheng, Cao Zijing]
>Lady Zhou bore [Cao JUn]
>Lady Liu bore [Cao Ziji]
>Lady Song bore [Cao Hui]
>Lady Zhao bore [Cao Mao]

Congratulations, you can pick 8 names out of 13.

Please, by all means cite those other passages that don't exist that shows how all these women were already married. I'll even help you: lady Du's prior marriage is mentioned in SGZ 3, which you obviously didn't know before I told you because an English translation of SGZ 3 does not exist.

Lady Bian, as an Empress, has a biographical entry in SGZ 5, except too bad, all it says is that she was a courtesan. Nothing about a prior marriage.

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Let's be real. Empress Bian is the qtest

I'm Cao Pi

>>1633341
Cao Pi, I'm Sima Yi

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Dr. Shu, I'm WEI

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>>1633599

>>1633784
>Your thing right here
>*fondles groin*

>>1630784
WE WUZ SUSHENZ N SHIT

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Cao Cao... had a hard life

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>>1633322

>not Dong Bai

Sun Jian was everything Liu Bei pretended he was.

Guo Jia was a god of strategy and everyone else was a hack.
If he didn't die of ancient cancer things would be different around here.

>>1635044
Xun You was better.

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>>1634736
>you will never be forced to marry dong bai under the threat of telling on you to her grandfather

Give me some good reason why I should and I'll build a shrine to them that includes their dick so I v
can suck when I wake up every day.

>>1635755
Liu Bei is the patron saint of american football

>>1634961
Sun Jians death actually made me cri :'(

>>1633322
I am amazed at how loyal she was to Cao Cao even when she was a courtesan before he got to her.

>>1636623
Courtesan does not necessarily mean prostitute.

More likely in her case it meant traveling singer. It is probably not a coincidence that Cao Cao was noted to be a competent musician himself.

>>1633599
A LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A USURPER

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>>1637849

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>>1637849

>>1637918
Best Cao Cao actor ever

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>>1628938
Nirvana in Fire is a pretty good one.

>>1637836
>Cao Cao was noted to be a competent musician himself
Link to that? Not doubting you at all, it's interesting since he was also a poet, sounds like he must have composed songs.

>>1640484
In general, we are told that training with zithers was part of the education of any gentlemen, so any reasonably wealthy gentleman of the time can be expected to have been a competent musician.

However, for Cao Cao specifically, his eulogy in Weishu explicitly states:
>及造新詩,被之管絃,皆成樂章。
>Whenever he created a new poem, he set it to flutes and strings, and all were completed as a musical piece.

>ywn live in an alternate reality wherein the Industrial Revolution began in Ming China and the contemporary emergent monoculture is High Ming, rather than Middle American as it is in reality

>Cao Cao let people who slandered him become official historians in his court
>Shu doesn't let anyone but the Director General keep historical records
There's a reason why people like Cao more now.

>>1640544
Nice, thanks senpai.

>>1623259
>propagandist extraordinaire
I like Tsao Tsao more. Shu were also bandits once.

>>1639901
>>1628938
This.

Prepare to be bombarded with homolust dreams for Hu Ge.

>>1623259
>liking shu
>at all

>>1643950
Wu > Wei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shu

>>1639901
>>1637857
>>1629766
>>1633599
>>1633599
Do the Chinese use the same fucking sets in almost ALL their TV shows?

I swear to god a lot of locations are reused a lot.

>>1624673

Sima Yi doesn't take power until several generations after Cao Cao's death. He is however responsible for defeating Zhuge Liang.

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>>1643991
Yes.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hengdian_World_Studios
The Chinese literally built a city of film sets next to the city of Hengdian. It's the largest film studio in the planet, and they built replicas of a lot of settings in the area. Including
>A palace/urban sets for shows set in the Warring States - Han Dynasties.
>A palace/urban sets for shows set in the T'ang-Yuan Dynasties.
>A copy of the Forbidden City and Ming/Qing Towns.
>Various temples.
>Manicured wildernesses
>1920s-1940's China.
>Some European locations.

Chink hollywood however remains in Hong Kong.

>all these Kongming haters

Yall are just jealous that you can't summon the wind

>>1623288
Liu Bei had to carry on the Han famalam.
Still more honorable than Cao Cao and any number of the endless Sun family.

>>1644055
>Summoning wind
get with the times, it's all about summoning that Rain now.

>>1644032
>you will never sneak into this place and pretend to be an extra in the background for whatever shows they're filming

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>>1633322
My waifu superior to your waifu.

>>1644641
women will never be this faithful or honorable again

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>>1644641

Nigga that's Xu Shi (Sun Yi's wife) not Xiahou Lingu. This is Xiahou Lingu.

How good is ROTK13? I liked playing 6 and 11 but I don't like 12.

>>1644279
Cao Cao restored law and order, as well as increased agricultural production under his rule vs an old and corrupt system that fucked the people of the land many times over.
Cao Cao's rise into power is that of social mobility vs an entrenched political power class.

>>1644673
>implying women were always faithful and honorable in the past
Marcus Aurelius would have crushed the German tribesmen and secured northern Europe for Rome had it not been for his wife.

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>>1633322
>>1644641
>>1645092
Nope, Bu Lianshi is best girl.

“Alas, my empress! It was she who assisted with the mandate, and together we shouldered Heaven and Earth. Devout and respectful morning and night, she shared my labors. In the wifely teachings she was well educated, and in righteousness and propriety she did not stray. Expansive and kind, she had tender virtue. The people and ministers looked up to her, and she was in the hearts of those far and near. Because the difficulties of the time were as yet unsettled and unification of the country was still incomplete, I followed her fine intentions and cherished her modesty and humility. For this reason, at the time I never bestowed the title. Furthermore, I was sure that her Heaven-granted years would be long and that with me she would respond to and spread Heaven’s blessings. Suddenly, before I realized it, her life recently came to an end. I regret that my original intention was not made manifest earlier and am grief-stricken that she has died and not fulfilled her Heaven-sent blessings. In the extremity of my grief, the pain stabs my heart. Now I charge Chancellor [Gu] Yong, marquis of Liling, to carry respectfully the seal, bestow the title, and offer a sacrifice to the former empress. If her soul is still able to apprehend, may she rejoice in this favor and glory Alas, my grief!”

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Fuck Cao Cao for killing Xun Yu. He was based as fuck.

>>1646552
But on the other hand, Emperor Justinian would have gotten cucked by the Nika rebellion had Theodora not helped him find his nutsack and stand firm.

http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com/post/149823318205/
>Previously, in Jiàn’ān fifth year [200], at the time Bà’s younger female cousin was aged thirteen to fourteen years, at her home commandery, went out to collect firewood, and was kidnapped by Zhāng Fēi. Fēi knew she was the daughter of a good family, and so made her his wife.

WTF I hate Zhang Fei now.

>>1645821
Boring as fuck. It's a stripped down version of 10 and 12 combined

>>1648759
>you will never kidnap prime teen pussy
kill me

>>1648759

>aged thirteen to fourteen years
Asian age reckoning means she had one real less year as stated.
>She was really twelve to thirteen

>>1649111
TFW

>>1648759
>anyone liking Shu at all
They were like marauding bandits roaming around for a period of time.

>>1647033
Xun Yu knew what he was getting himself into.

Tang taizu of tang and Zhao kuangyi of song

Holy shit, the actor of Cao Cao is a player irl. He married a massive cutie.

>>1651054

They were saving the Han you stupid cunt. Can't you understand it? Is it too hard for your pig brain?

>>1653604
Let me get this straight:

Supporting and defending the Han Emperor; settling refugees; restoring agriculture, silk cultivation, salt and iron production; putting down rebels and bandit groups; and restoring government and order across the northern plains is rebellion against Han.

Living as bandits, moving from place to place plundering the local area and betraying every local leader who takes you in, and kidnapping teenage girls is saving the Han.

>>1653623
Muh benevolence

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>>1653639

>>1653738
>Liu Bei
>inventor of Football circa 200 AD

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>>1651072
But giving the nigga a cold shoulder like that? After all his decades of service surely simply exiling Xun Yu would be enough.

>>1654773
>exiling someone with that much knowledge about how Cao Cao thinks and the layout of the empire
That's just asking for trouble. Even Xun Yu knew there was no escape.

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>>1653738
>>1654765
I CANT BREATH

>>1654789
Alright fine, house arrest or some shit then - you can't treat a formerly loyal and indispensable subject like that.

>>1623259
Who are those guys, old fire lords? Fuck off Zuko

t.Katara

>>1654845
And have him as a banner of discontent?

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I have nothing but disgust for Sima.

>>1655077
that manga made me wu biased. They were so based in it.

Zhang Liao was a badass. The fact that they didn't have his awesome battle in Three Kingdoms 2010 was a travesty.

>>1624098
>actually believes this

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>>1653604
>drinking the shu kool-aid this hard

>>1656247
>The fact that they didn't have his awesome battle in Three Kingdoms 2010 was a travesty
What? Interest just plummeted.

I might still watch for Cao Cao but, man, what a bummer

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>>1656247
I'm still butthurt about what they did with Xiahou Dun.
>>1656760
Do it for Cao Cao, that actor alone makes it worth it.

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>Shufags still exist

three kingdoms period is cool and all, but it's obviously neoconfucianism that cemented the current state of chinese values.

I mean, neoconfucians figured out the singularity. Is no one else impressed by this?

>>1657807
When did he show up to fight?

>>1660849
After Cao Cao's commanders threw themselves into the meat grinder known as Guan Yu.

>>1657807
What pissed me off most was that they didn't give him an eyepatch.

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>>1659490
And will forever exist

>>1623259
fuck you, you chong nigger

>>1624218
>>1624327
>>1624365
Name of show?

>>1660849
Around 34:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnCCta4FNjA

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>>1662888
Three Kingdoms (2010).
You can find the entire thing fansubbed on youtube or wherever you get your torrents.

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>>1662702

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Three Kingdoms reboot when?

>>1630784
Korean pls go and stay go.

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>tfw no qt 3.14 marquis to keep my household safe and my roads free from bandits

>>1644032
Chinks are really practical.
It always annoys me how Hollywood and western studios don't keep their sets after filming even if those are of a really good quality.
Deadwood had a massive western set build over multiple years and it got demolished at the end of filming which put any hopes of continuation on ice. Could have fucking leased it to some B tier western productions.

>>1662702
>>1663299

Shu might be completely shit, but Liu Shan in DW is GOAT and i don't know why.

Just looked at a world map that had both the Three Kingdoms Era China and Imperial Rome in the same era.
Imperial Rome was fucking huge. I thought China would be larger.

>>1623259
Ok, Zhuge Liang invented some cool things, but the Han tried to erase Mozi from history. And worse never did anything with the chance they had. So the Han can suck it.

Show me someone better than Thales.

>>1665648
Rome looks larger on a map because of the Mediterranean sea in the middle of it.

>>1666055

What chance are you referring to?

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>>1666055
>Zhuge Liang invented some cool things
No he didn't.

>>1666526
The chance to develop rationalism, empiricism and the scientific method. Not that it was a straight path from the Greeks to Bacon but they were necessary. The Indians and Buddhist also had a shot at it. But then it was more than a thousand years before the Arab developments. So much wasted time.

>>1668720
No? Well then some cool inventions are often attributed to him.

>>1668720

He invented an infinite amount of things MORE than you. Let that sink.

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>>1669027
Wrong, 0 is not a bigger number than 0.
Checkmate shufans.

>>1647033
As much as I disliked him getting killed, his loyality for the Han was kind of retarded. He followed Cao Cao because he was the best thing for the Empire, but then he stopped caring and just wanted more Han.