Why is fascism considered right wing when it's clearly a

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>>1605720
Aryan capitalism is still capitalism :)

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>>1605720
fascism is a left-wing collectivist big government ideology

>>1605720
Same reason the US Democrats run as the party of the little people.

You lie long enough, people believe it.

>>1605732
>60 Million?

No

>>1605720
Because none of your preceding statements are true.

>>1605732
nice buzzwords

>>1605720
It's actually left-wing.

>>1605728

The fact that nazism was a racist ideology doesn't inherently make all facists "muh aryans"

>>1605760
why not

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>>1605720
It's a buzzword today, like Communism.

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>>1605732
>Le NSDAP were left-wing meme
Fuck off ron paul

>Muh big gubmint boogyman

really people still think that fascism is right-wing or left-wing? fascism is third position
t. rexist fascist

>>1605788
what makes it "third" position

>>1605720

Because fascism is inherently morally conservative.

Because fascism decrees that everyone is who they were born to be and you cannot change that. Fascism defines you by your sex, race and religion and allots you a place in society according to that. This is a right wing concept.

Just because fascism is authoritarian doesn't mean it's left wing.

>still believing in the political compass

When will this meme end

>>1605732
>fascism is a left-wing collectivist big government ideology
>This is what people actually believe

>>1606311
>Fascism defines you by your sex, race and religion and allots you a place in society according to that. This is a right wing concept.
So SJWs are right wing now? Good to know.

>>1606336

From urban dictionary:

>Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

>The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

So to answer your question; No.

Fascism is the final boss of Capitalism.

Fascism is a reactionary ideology,hankering back to a time when warlords and tribes ruled.

>>1606336
Actually...

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>>1606344
>mfw I realize /pol/ types are SJWs
Really makes ya think.

>>1606361
Everyone else hit this realization in like 2012.

GG catching up.

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>>1606364
Remember the backbreaker that started all this shit

>>1606350
No they where Futurist, but also primitivist, but also socialist, but also ecologist but also insdustrialist but also [insert word].
FAcism never been a defined ideologie so they weren't Right or Left, they're were a mess of idea and clashing interest.

>>1606311
Facist werent all Nazi,
>Race
Italien fascisme was nation based, the race was added much latter.
>Sex
At this time feminisme was first wave, you can't say that gender inegality was a facist thing when France didn"t give vote right to woman.
>Religion
Also false, see the Nazi.

So no Facist was the 3e way, between the "degenerate" democrate and the "degenerate" bolchevik.

>>1605720
>reacting against both communism and capitalism in equal parts?

Because fascism doesn't really react against capitalist markets, they just want to control the capitalists.

>>1606345
Truth

>>1605720
Basically the political spectrum has more than one axis but the establishment want to keep it into only one axis : comunism-capitalism.

They just dub as extremists whoever they want to ban from power.


other axis : Nationalism-Internationnalism
I guess other axis may be found.

>>1606375

>Italien fascisme was nation based, the race was added much latter.
Nationality is just another way of segregating people. You cannot discount it.

>At this time feminisme was first wave, you can't say that gender inegality was a facist thing when France didn"t give vote right to woman.
Fascists actively opposed feminists and women's rights.

>Also false, see the Nazi
If anyone segregated people based on religion, it was the nazis. Rosenbergs trite is about nothing else.

I'm not suggesting that Fascism is set, it is different in every country. But an important part of fascism is the division of people into different groups, who are all treated according to their sex, race or religion.

>>1606368
jesse cox is a pretty cool guy desu

>>1606401
>Nationality is just another way of segregating people.
So are unions. Man, that pesky working class trying to advance its own interest, am I right?

>>1606429

Unions are voluntary.

>>1606433
You're free to emigrate to another nation if you don't like one that acts in the interests of its citizenry first and foremost.

>>1606433
No they aren't, only some are.

tbqh, if you haven't read anything from Ironmarch you have no room to speak about anything involving Fascism/Nazism as your opinion is literally based upon regurgitated memes and media telephone games without a shred of actual ideology, philosophy, or history to backup your views.

>>1606401
>Nationality is just another way of segregating people. You cannot discount it.
It a sound division at this time for me.

>Fascists actively opposed feminists and women's rights.
All anti-feminist weren't nazi, french Republican oppose feminist and yet aren't facist, so my point still tend, they're were in accord with their time.

>But an important part of fascism is the division of people into different groups.
Judaism with the concept of Chosen, Islam with the concept of Ouma lot of religion, Marxism and the concept of class, feodalism, indian caste system, division between us and them is the begining of group identity, it isn't a purely fascist ocurrence .

>>1606440
What does that have to do with anything?
>>1606438
My views on fascism is based on actual fascist states, not some internet forum where nobody can agree with anyone else.

>>1606442
I'm not saying all anti-feminists are fascists, I'm simply defining one trait of fascim which places it in the right.

>>1606453
>My views on fascism is based on actual fascist states
Then we can agree that fascism goes hand in hand with promoting worker's rights.

>>1605788
>Rexists
>Thinking Belgium is a real country

>>1605720

Because it focuses on extreme ultra-nationalism and scapegoating of minorities.

>>1606453
Because when people who don't have the first clue what they're talking about, like yourself, spew their misguided opinions all it does is lower the quality of public discourse and prevent us from taking away the good qualities of Fascism/Nazism.

>>1606466

Ostensibly, yes. But no fascist state I know of have improved the life of workers. Nazis forbade all unions except their own, lowered wages, gave immense power to employers and allied himself with the old money of Hugenberg.

Mussolini forbade demonstrations and protests and limited workers freedoms.

>>1606485

Ok.

>>1606485
the good qualities of Fascism/Nazism.
Nazi were one of the most failed state ever, they're how you don't run a modern state guide.
Turf war, misinformation and political complot was a daily occurence in War period germany.

>>1606485

Historically speaking there hasn't been any success for Fascism / Nazism.

It's consistently ended in epic failure.

>>1606508
Nazi also cause full employement, restore national pride, get vacancy center for working class(force through joy, something like that), they weren't rutless capitalist right wing, they were ultra nationalist corporatist socialist centrist, yep Right-left axi is ineficient to modelize politic.

fascism by defintion is right wing

fascism
ˈfaʃJz(ə)m/
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

So is national socialism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

>>1606521

Full employement is not that great if employment is bad. Overall, all wages dropped during the nazi regime and the state elite lived well in luxuary. "Voluntary" charities sapped the remainder of the workers Pay. Not that there were any consumer goods to spend it on to begin with.

Robert Ley, the minister of work, was a corrupt drunk sex maniac.

Strength through Joy was a nice initiative, but ceased entirely when war broke out. The italians had a similar program. Both only applied to Aryan/Italian nationals, as per fascist doctrine.

>>1606536
>Italian nationals
Don't see why a nation should not prioritize it own national.

>>1605720
Because the right wing means different thing to different people. It refers to economic freedom and traditional values at the same time which dont necessarily have to go with one another. I dont like the Nolan chart but it does a good job showing how Fascism and Libertarianism can both be considered right wing. In many ways Fascism is considered right wing because nationalism is seen as the traditional antithesis to globalism.

>>1605732
>american education

>>1606548
Neither did the fascists.

>>1606536
Wait, the wages in Nazi Germany were lower than that in the Wiemar republic? This could only be possible if you weren't adjusting for the massive inflation when a reichmark was more valuable to burned than to be sold

>>1605740

There were no preceding statements.

:^)

>>1606559

Of course you have to adjust for inflation, otherwise the workers of the weimar republic were the best paid workers of all time.

>>1606564
That's what I meant, so those that were employed were actually making a decent amount of money? I'm sure the benefits of that were offset by the massive unemployment

>>1606553
Are you impling:
>Because you consider that a nation should consider itself fisrt you're a fascist.

>>1605763
Because Mussolini, Mosley and many other fascists were not racists. Hitler =/= all fascism.

>>1606478
If you accept that the Soviet Union was not communist (which it wasn't) you need to accept that Nazi Germany wasn't nationalist (because it wasn't).

>scapegoating
You mean populism? Yes, every political party ever does populism to some extent. Whether it's the 1%, jews or whatever

>>1606559

Both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy followed fairly standard Keynesian economics, which was the dominant school of economic thought at the time. Neither Fascism or Nazism (if you consider Nazism separate) have left any useful body of thought behind about how to run an economy.

>>1606572

First of all, the hyperinflation occured during the early 20's and the economy stabilized log before the nazis came to power.
The major catastrophe was not the low quality of living for thr average employed, but for the Unemployed - of which there were Many. Social programs shut down and there were no unemployment benefits.

But towards the end, the Weimar republic workers were fairly well off.

Second, the workers of the

>>1605737
This is exactly the reason. Social marxists that infiltrated US academia have labeled it as right-wing to imply going far enough down traditionalist paths somehow magically leads to fascism.

>>1606574

No. Again, Im simply explaining what makes fascism right wing.

>>1606581

>If you accept that the Soviet Union was not communist

Eh? When did I remotely suggest I accepted that?

>you need to accept that Nazi Germany wasn't nationalist

I don't need to accept Nazi Germany wasn't nationalist under any circumstances, because it objectively was.

>>1606311
Fascism is not conservative. It's AGAINST reactionary politics and is in fact progressive and radical, considering it wants to create "new man" and "new society", rather than returning to status quo ante.

This is also why people like Evola or Franco cannot be called fascists.

>>1606599

Fascism is in no way progressive. Fascist culture is exclusively conservative. Operas and Classical beauty were cherished, whereas a-tonal music and abstract art was viewed as degenerate.

>>1606595
National preferency isn't right wing or left wing, it the base of a nation. Some french socialist(Joffre is thing) say that for the poor nation is the last refuge.
Also i use Nation not in the way of race related group but the French/American definition, citizen based nation.

>>1606598
It wasn't.

I'll tell this now and simply. You may wish to argue against me but it will only end in
a) you admitting you were wrong and using wrong terms
b) you shitflinging and starting to argue semantics because you were wrong

Nazi Germany was imperialist, not nationalist. Imperialism is the direct opposite of nationalist. Hitler wanted to create an pan-European state, and allowed such peoples as: Norwegians, French, Hungarians, some slavs, finns to operate under his empire.

A nationalist would have seen an influx of such foreign peoples as an threat to the homogeneity of the state and thus the stability of the state.

Hitler and Nazi Germany was not nationalist, even if they claimed to be. In the same way as The USSR wasn't communist even if they claimed to be.

>>1606599

Fascism is radical and revolutionary rather than conservative. You'll have to come up with some citations that suggest it has ever been labelled as "progressive".

>>1606618
And futurism, Fascist were not a coherent ideologie, but sure they ally with reactionary(Franco wasn't truly a fascist).

>>1605720

fascism doesnt exist. Its just a meme to describe an authoritarian regime you disagree with

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>>1606618
>abstract art was viewed as degenerate
>Classical beauty

Look at this shit and tell me there's anything "classical" about it.

>>1606626

As someone that wrote a literal dissertation in the Fascist ideology I'm laughing at you.

Imperialism and nationalism aren't mutually exclusive concepts nor is the claim that Nazism was prepared to accept some other European peoples under it's ethno-nationalistic ideology an argument that it was not nationalistic.

Rambling on about the USSR is, again, just a random strawman that you have brought up.

>>1606638

That's not art, it's a propaganda poster.

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>>1606651
>propaganda is not art

>>1606626

I've seen many things in my life.

But this is the first time I've ever seen anyone reject that nazism was a nationalistic ideology.

What the fuck. Do you even know what Nationalism means?

>>1606626
>Hitler wanted to create an pan-European state
I need a source for that, seems like brexiter bullshit
>Norwegians, French, Hungarians, some slavs, finns to operate under his empire
Wrong, he want to band together all percieved german, and add "race"stock that can benefit germany(Czech in example) he was clearly in the line of romantic pan-german.

Nationalism do not exclude Imperialism, see bismarck or the French Revolution(or hte french at all).

>>1606660

Even if it is, it's certainly not abstract.

>>1606660
I can't help myself but love Axi and URSS propaganda, they were just you know.. good at propaganda.

>>1605720
it takes a lot of things from different ideologies which is why it's called the 3rd way

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>>1606668
Just accept you know fuck all about fascist art and that much of it isn't Classical at all.

>>1606671
>URSS
>United of Republics Soviet Socialist

???

>>1606676

Well, you have me convinced. I need to brush up on my Saffretti.

>>1606679
>Union des républiques socialistes soviétiques

>>1606685
Coюз Coвeтcких Coциaлиcтичecких Pecпyблик

>Coюз
Union

>Coвeтcких
(of) Soviet

>Coциaлиcтичecких
Socialist

>Pecпyблик
Republics

>>1606651
>>1606660

all art is propaganda

>>1606694
No, some art is advertisement.

cont

>>1606694
Some art are just Art for the Art see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Void

>>1606650
>Imperialism and nationalism aren't mutually exclusive concepts
Yes they are. Under specific circumstances such as Bismarck it can be maintaiend as nationalist, (as >>1606661 stated) but in the end a maintained imperialist policy (the continuous extent of your states power) is unsustainable as nationalist. Soon enough Bismarck had united all the Germanic peoples, but German Imperialism didn't stop. They took African countries and islands from the pacific. The moment they did this, they seized to become nationalist.
>is the claim that Nazism was prepared to accept some other European peoples under it's ethno-nationalistic ideology an argument that it was not nationalistic.
But it literally is. Nationalism as all ideologies consists of two parts: The ideology and the method. The ideology of nationalism is that all languages, cultures and/or races deserve their own nation state. This can be extended to the idea that a homogeneous state is the most stable state. The methods of nationalism are things which maintain this, be it integration or assimilation programmes or in the case of ethnic nationalism genocide. Thus accepting foreign peoples into your empire makes it not nationalist.

>>1606662
>Wrong, he want to band together all percieved german, and add "race"stock that can benefit germany(Czech in example) he was clearly in the line of romantic pan-german.

This is very much circular reasoning. Nationalism can never be based on something that isn't real, such as the "aryan" identity Hitler envisioned. It always has to be based on something real, such as a real culture or a real a language. The Aryan race Hitler envisioned is not real, as he handed it out like candy to people who are quite different from Germans such as the Japanese and Finns.

>>1606661
>But this is the first time I've ever seen anyone reject that nazism was a nationalistic ideology.
It isn't as uncommon as you think when you go outside of History channel.

>>1606749
cont:
>Rambling on about the USSR is, again, just a random strawman that you have brought up.
Strawman

def:"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent."
Never did I claim that you argued anything about the soviet union.

I used the soviet union as a parallel, because it too was an institution that used some ideology to stir up the masses, and claimed to represent it but in the end wasn't anything like that

>>1606662
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)
Pan-European was probably the wrong word since it goes beyond europe but the point still stands:

Hitler wanted to rule an multicultural, multi-ethnic Empire.

>>1606749
>Yes they are.

Nope. In fact they usually go hand in hand.


>imperialism
>the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies..

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/imperialism

>The moment they did this, they seized to become nationalist.

I'm laughing at this on multiple levels.

>>1605720
Btw, why is it okay to hate some harful ideologies (nazism, communism...etc) while it's illegal to even criticize some others (islam)?

>>1606804
>Nope. In fact they usually go hand in hand.
Actually they don't. Germany is the only European empire that claimed to be ideologically nationalist. Other strongly nationalist countries like: Finland, Greece, Hungary and so on never maintained imperialist policies. Their thoughts on expansionism was always based on liberating their own peoples, Karelia for Finns, Western Anatolia for Greeks and so on.

Your entire idea of nationalism is based on Germany, and you ignore all other history behind the movement.

But again, your post lacks any argument. You aren't saying anything of substance, and essentially just repeating "Lol u wrong".

>>1606785
>Hitler wanted to rule an multicultural, multi-ethnic Empire.

No he didnt. Hitler wanted to colonize eastern europe+Russia and take all their resources so he could turn Germany into a completely self-sufficient super power.

He also had a very strick list of peoples to be done away with, particularly jews who were being killed off. He also planned to completely destory things like Polish identity. Polish culture, nationalism, history, architecture and language would be done away with. They were taking polish kids and putting them through a very strict "germinization" program. The persecution of the Poles got so bad, even Mussolini protested against it as completely unnecessary.

Hitler and nazism was about German superiority, not white power

>>1606823
I know. Hitler did maintain some nationalist methods, but nationalism as an ideology is absolutist.

There is no "partly homogeneous" homogeneity. Even if Hitler wanted to genocide poles, slavs and jews he still allowed plenty of other cultures to live in his Empire.

>>1606749
>honorary Aryans
Do you not know what this meant? Race is entirely real btw. Google Lewontin's Fallacy and learn why you're stupid.

>>1605720
It's anything. Strasser, Rohm, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Hirohito had far different political leanings all over the place. Fascism is a meaningless buzzword.

>>1605802
The fact it called itself the third way

>>1606524
Fucking underage plebeian get off my board

Fascism is simply the name for a specific kind of Right-wing authoritarianism, it doesn't encompass all kinds of oppressive authoritarianism

>>1606524
>being this retarded

>>1606311
Then Stalin was right-wing?

left right annoying

Because you're using a very specific, contextual use of left/right that doesn't make sense in context of fascism.

Fascism is right-wing. Trump is also similar to fascism.

>>1608996
Trump believes in expanding the state to control the moral values of his country, as well as becoming an autarky and strongly opposing american liberalism?
No. His very motto "make america great again" refers to old american liberalism which is something fascism was created agaisnt.

Educate yourself retard

>>1609007

Trumps rhetoric strikes almost all of the 14 identifying points of Fascism

Those being:

>1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
>2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
>3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
Do I need to elaborate?
>4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
>5. Rampant sexism
>6. A controlled mass media
>7. Obsession with national security
>8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
>9. Power of corporations protected
>10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
>11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
>12. Obsession with crime and punishment
>13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
>14. Fraudulent elections

He easily hits 10 of these.

>>1609007
>Trump believes in expanding the state to control the moral values of his country
LOL

>as well as becoming an autarky and strongly opposing american liberalism?
LOL

>No.
LOOOL

>His very motto "make america great again" refers to old american liberalism which is something fascism was created agaisnt.
LLLOOOOOLLL

>>1609055
haha xD

>>1609038
9/14 of what you stated also fit into communism
You clearly can't distinguish what is a part of most ideologies, and what separates ideologies

>>1609062
>9/14 of what you stated also fit into communism
Maybe Soviet Russia, which nobody defends but the tankiest of tanks.

Stop being such an ideologue

>>1609067
So something that declares itself as communist isn't communist, but something that denies being fascist is fascist?
Rather interesting idea you have there

>>1609038
The "points of fascism" were made up on Democratic Underground during the Bush administration and attributed to a professor who doesn't exist for the sole purpose of relating modern American conservatism to Fascism. You're an idiot.

>>1608996
>>1609007

I'd say both Fascists and Trump are rightwing populists, playing on emotions. They certainly share similarities, but so do many conservative authoritarian thoughts.

>>1609072

Not him, but Soviet Russia never claimed to be a communist state. It claimed to be in a phase of socialism, with communism being it's end goal. Communism =/= socialism.

>>1609640
Trump is easily more left wing than Hillary Clinton.

>>1609649

No, he is way to nationalist, isolationist and elitist for that.

>>1609660
You can be a nationalist, an isolationist, and an elitist and still be Left Wing. And even then, Trump is barely a nationalist or an isolationist (I'll give you elitist, but certainly no more so than Hillary Clinton).

He's a centrist moderate from fucking New York. The only things """""right win""""" about him are his stance on enforcing immigration/deportation laws and cutting immigration from countries whose governments support anti-American militancy.

>>1609669

>you can be a nationalist, an isolationist, and an elitist and still be Left Wing.

No.

>>1609693
Trump is a nationalist in reaction to a growing trend of globalism among western politicians that is actively depressing the wages of the working class in the U.S. and Europe, while making multinational corporations more money.

Thus, his nationalism is a left wing response to a problem with unfettered capitalism.

>>1609706

Donald Trump wants to regress on women's rights, isolate from the world, propagates a nationalistic worldview and cut taxes for the rich.

If you don't think that's right wing, you don't know what right wing is.

>>1609693
What is the Soviet?

>>1609712
Wow, another wannabe leftist entirely ignoring class issues to talk about his hypothetical oppressed women? Color me shocked.

>>1609718

A totalitarian state.

>>1609712
So you can show me on his website where he's advocated all of those things?

>>1609728
A left totalitarian state.

>>1605720
Because as you can see ITT people are oblivious to fascism.

There is nothing even remotely conservative in it. It is one of the most progressive ideology ever, believing fully into the progress meme. It is revolutionary from start to finish. No one destroyed old German legal traditions than Hitler.

>B-but muh art
The fact they liked some old architecture does not invalidate anything I just said.

Also the meme that nationalism = right wing, which is more or less true in the US and England, but they are here anomalies. Certainly it is false in pre-1945 Italy and Germany, where fascism happened. It is also completely false for France.

>>1609712
>cut taxes for the rich.
Cut taxes on everyone. In fact "the rich" get the worst tax cut.

>propagates a nationalistic worldview
Besides being nothing wrong, that's neither "right wing" or "left wing".

>regress on women's rights
Terrible maymay. I guess you mean being against abortion, but just say it like it is instead of some retarded "women's rights" talk.

>>1609749

>Besides being nothing wrong, that's neither "right wing" or "left wing".

Yes, left wing is internationalism. It's opposite is nationalism, which is right wing.

>Terrible maymay. I guess you mean being against abortion, but just say it like it is instead of some retarded "women's rights" talk.

That's what I mean, yes. Women's rights.

>>1609754
>Yes, left wing is internationalism.
Not since along time, globalism and anti-nationalism are now more a rightwing liberal thing.

>>1609754
>Yes, left wing is internationalism. It's opposite is nationalism, which is right wing.
I'm sure all the socialist nationalist leaders in Algeria, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Romania, China, ... agree.

>That's what I mean, yes. Women's rights.
Just say abortion. Talking about women is truly a pathetic polarizing attempt to present yourself as the white knight, but then you are the one presenting Trump as making "tax cuts for the rich".

The scholars are pinko-philes

>>1609038
This list has little to do with fascism.

Point 4 is outright retarded. I guess it comes from the imagery of Nazi Germany as a warring state, when the army was the only thing offering a counter power to the state, along with the Church (point 8).
Point 5 is absolutely lulzworthy.

This list, despite being vague, could be used to describe Confucius, Charlemagne, Cicero and Lee Kuan Yew, apart from the corruption claim which comes out of nowhere.

>>1606453
>Fascist dictator
>First to give the nation worker rights explain this

You could interpret the spectrum on "inclusiveness" OP. So left wing would lean towards accepting everyone regardless of race, nation, gender, ability, wealth, etc, whereas right wing might exclude some or all of these. I accept that fascism belies both communism and capitalism (less so the latter) but it does exclude everyone who isn't a certain nationality.

>>1609797
>I'm sure all the socialist nationalist leaders in Algeria, Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Romania, China, ... agree.

Every single one of the movements you mentioned arrived at their state of ideology as a form of protection against external threats. Nationalism can be used as a populace control mechanism. Many of the states you mention are neither left NOR right wing, they are simply different shades authoritarian. Many of them hold conservative morales. Many of them can be debated if they're really left wing at all.

>Just say abortion. Talking about women is truly a pathetic polarizing attempt to present yourself as the white knight
You're not making any argument here. Abortion is a women's rights issue, so I don't see why you have a problem with me using the term "Women's rights". It is an appliceable term. I'm sorry it "triggered" you, but maybe you should get out of your comfort zone more often.

It is a socialist plot to vilify capitalists and conservatives. Everyone that disagrees with them is an evil fascist.

>>1608836
They also called themselves Socialist, which was pretty much the only socialist thing about them.

>>1609038
Hillary Clinton hits all of these.

>>1609926
>as a form of protection against external threats
Literally every political formation ever. Some more than other, but I'm concerned how you will spin Romania and China as resistance against external forces.

>Many of them can be debated if they're really left wing at all.
Yes, I had forgotten, they were state capitalism. Is that it?

>You're not making any argument here.
But I am, it's simply not exposed like a Nolan movie.
>Abortion is a women's rights issue
It's not. This is where the argument was.

You are invoking particular characteristics about citizens to make particular laws. Besides, treating abortion as a purely "women's rights" issue (because of muh body I guess) is a very crude lie when the law carries so many obligations for fathers that have no say in it. If the laws were such that there was no legal bind between father and child, then abortion would (today) de facto legally concern only women. When artificial wombs come in, will they be subject to "women's rights"?

>you should get out of your comfort zone more often.
This right here is an actual non argument.

Because it's tribal. It grants rights, privilege, and favor to some in society and denies them of others. It's ideologically exclusive, and not inclusive. That is Right Wing. One family, one race, one way of life, one tribe.

>>1610094
So the Left-Right is only a degree of inclusiveness. It ignore so much part of political stuff like Religion, economie, law, right, state organisation, history and basicelly everything, man you need to open your mind in political thinking, you can't pin such a Right-Left on degree of inclusiveness.

>>1610067

Still not seeing any arguments...

So you give up, I suppose.

>>1608836
>The fact it called itself the third way
So does that fag Fresco call his little resource-based economy bullshit "a system unlike anything that has existed previously in history", but anyone who has studied communism realises it's orthodox marxism with an ecological spin.

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>>1605771

Communism is no buzzword and we should be ever vigilant for the red menace.

Plenty of commie fucks voted for Bernie. And plenty of commie fucks are out marching in anything that will create social discord. See BLM / Trump protesters for video proof. Always a commie flag in attendance.

Communism must be stamped out wherever it sprouts. Shit is disgusting and infiltrating my animu.

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>>1605771

Wrong pic.

>>1606364

/pol/ has facts on its side though.
SJW's have feels.

>>1610229
>infographics are """facts"""
kek

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>>1610233

Actual recorded statistics are facts though...

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>>1610233

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>>1610233

Like, it's kinda too coincidental that it happens globally.

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>>1610233

These are official numbers not just sourceless graphs ;p

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>>1610233

London...

>>1605771
>>1610215 is right.
While the word "commies" is indeed a buzzword, some real socialists do plague society.
Among us in Yurop, no matter how much people try to assimilate people to fascists, actual fascists can be counted with your fingers. But legit full commies are still going in the 5-15% of the population depending on the country.

>>1610617
to be fair, this information is a little outdated. we currently have more problems with poles than we do with blacks statistically

>>1605720
Because the left is associated with economic socialism while the right is associated with social conservatism. If your stance is social conservative and it's the main part of the ideology, you're right and/or far right. If your stance is economic socialist and it's the main part of the ideology, you're left and/or far left. If your main stance is economic liberalism, you're center-right. If your main stance is social liberalism, you're center-left.

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>Trump
>fascist

When will this meme end?

>>1610631

Just curious, how do you know this if you don't gather statistics by race anymore?

iirc that article wasn't that old, anywhere from 2008-2014. Which is quite a timeframe, but usually not a large enough timeframe for a real shift in crime rate to take place.

>>1609640
Read the fucking thread

Fascism is not conservative

Also all ideologies use populist rhetoric to gain support and it's been like this since the birth of ideology

>>1610932

I have read the thread. Fascism is morally conservative and regressive when it comes to civil rights.

>>1609984
I'll need a citation on a fascist state calling itself socialist

>>1610938
>whig history
dropped

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>>1610938
>Fascism is morally conservative and regressive when it comes to civil rights
Nowhere in the definition of fascism itself is the oppression of fags and women mentioned, nor is it obligatory

>>1606345
4th Comintern go and stay gone

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>>1605720
because those who created and lead fascist movements and called thesmelves fascist literally wrote down that their movements were right wing.

>>1610959
nor is the hijab obligatory in islam but that doesn't prevent a fuckload of muslims from wearing it

>>1611151
NOT
TRUE
FASCISM

>>1611137
I'll need a citation on that

>>1606336
Uh bruh

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>>1605720
>Why is fascism considered right wing when it's clearly a politically centrist ideology that's reacting against both communism and capitalism in equal parts?

Capitalists and monarchists alike loved the fascists because they were cheap, disposable shock troops for use against the socialists.

>>1610959

What do you call something that looks like, walks like and quacks like a duck?

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>>1612138
>it's another anon makes baseless idiotic claims to suit his ideology episode

>>1612138
>Monarchists.
>Loved Fascists.
Depends. The Italian one booted their King.

Furthermore I doubt that. Monarchists love capitalists, not Fascists. Fascists more often than not peddle Nationalism around, and the subjection of the Monarchic dynasty to this National Idea. Monarchists support, well, the damn monarchy. Full Stop. The institution is the state, not the nation, who more often than not, would like to destroy empire/kingdom into its component tribalniggery.

>>1610940
NAzi got socialist in tehir name.

>>1612699
>nazism wasn't simply corrupted fascism
smdh@thisboard

The only examples of "pure fascism" are Mussolini's fascism, Mosley's fascism (even then not so much) and also phalange but not francoism


People who assume nazism is a proper example of fascism should educate themselves further than what they learnt in high school, or at the very least not participate in debates on fascism

>>1612891

>The only examples of "pure fascism" are Mussolini's fascism

There is no "pure fascism". Fascism varies from country to country. It's not like Marxism where there's an old text written in the 1800's with guidelines on how to create a fascist society.

Nazism is just as a legitimate example of fascism as Mussolini's fascism.

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>>1612919
Mussolini wrote a coherent text on fascist ideology, Hitler did not
Mein Kampf was just racist ramblings and not relevant to fascism

As well, nazism is an incredibly specific ideology and despite fascism being fairly flexible they barely coincided

Nazism being "fascist" is just propaganda so we can put all of the ww2 enemies into the same box

>>1612939

Mussolini enacted racial laws against other nationalities in the colonies and african territories. Quotes about the irrelevance of race is just a bunch of hot air.

>>1613050
You're a fucking idiot who has absolutely no idea what historical/moral relativism is

Go back to your frankfurt school of thought this board doesn't need this kind of thinking

>>1610940
Is this some kind of low tier "I'm only pretending' bait or are you a genuine mouthbreather?
>National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsJzəm, ˈnæ-/[1])
I mean shit nigger, grow some brain cells. before you post something.

>>1613056
isn't the whole relativism thing part of the frankfurt school?

>>1613056

What?

I don't think you are aware at all about what we're discussing. I put no value in fascism being good or bad. Simply that it is right wing and share certain elements across borders. If facts trigger you, go to tumblr and start a safe space

>>1613058

Nazism viewed socialism as Marxist and was vehemently opposed to it.

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>>1609038
This isn't even good bait yet many people took it. Bravo.

>>1609660
Trump proposes expanding medicare and taking taxes off the working class whereas Shillary courts the big banks.

>>1609693
Yeah. Just like that nationalist, isolationist and far-right nation of North Korea.

>>1609038
The only ones Trump hits are 1,2,3,7,12, and maybe 9

Clinton hits more than him.

>>1613291

North Korea is totalitarian.

>>1612939
wtf I love the Che now

>>1606814
Because not all muslims.

>>1606594
>Implying Franco, Mussolini and Hitler weren't all incredibly socially conservative

>>1610229
Nationalism is an appeal to emotion in itself. Do you think there is logic and reason at play whenever a neckbeard /pol/ memester types out 'Deus Vult' on a youtube feminist cringe compilation? No. It's reactionary tripe and it's a bigger appeal to emotions than any critical theory feminist drivel that gets used as "evidence" against leftism.

>>1606311
That's not a conservative trait, that's a collectivist trait.

>>1605732
Fascist, Communist, or liberal, I think we can all agree that libertarians should be shot.

>>1614066
Mussolini wasn't conservative and Franco was not a fascist.

>>1614097
>Nationalism is an appeal to emotion in itself
? It makes logical sense that you're willing to band together with people who share your language, culture and upbringing.

MUH NO BORDERS is the true appeal to emotion

>>1605720
Because a lot of Fascism involved social conservatism, so while the economic aspect of it is centrist the social aspect of it is far-right, which leads people to shorthand the entire philosophy to far-right.

>>1608836
I can call myself handsome and good in bed but it doesn't mean I am.

>>1617301
>fascists rallied against reaction since day 1
>opposed the conservatives, sometimes even very violently
>wanted to bring about the "new man"
>loathed traditional hereditary aristocracy and considered it a backwards social practice
>many fascists were atheists, agnostics or outright pagans who hated Christianity

But no, obviously they were conservatives because some Marxist pizza faced retard on 4chan said so