Explain why this happened, why it went on for as long as it did,

>There was more to this than just money
>history of maritime trade

No, it was literally all about money.

That's actually the point.

You go from an area with a high supply of a given resource buy some of that resource, and move to an area with a high demand.

Your original picture will explain what resources were in demand where, and common sense should explain why this is so.

>>1589830
Ok, that's actually a pretty good point. But then why did it go on for so long? Surely the colonists of NA would've caught on that they were being cheated fairly quickly?

>>1589837
How are they being cheated? Manpower is in demand there and the more wealthy of them can just buy more of it instead of trying to induce others to move there willingly.

>>1589810
>more to this than just money

This hasn't been true since Sumer bro

>>1589837
How were they being cheated? Cotton was a huge export in NA for a reason, everyone in Europe wanted it. The price for cotton kept going up and up until the Civil War. That's when Europe started looking for alternatives (GB didn't want to support southern cotton + it was hard to get with the war going on).

>>1589846
Because the colonists are providing the raw goods and the home country is selling back a finished product. The colonists are having to buy back a product that they worked to create.

>>1589837
The population of new world was tiny compared to the population of the old world, on account of that whole smallpox thing, and on account of sophisticated agricultural societies having never existed in most of the area.

That and the established world powers in Europe jealously protected their manufacturing monopoly, while at the same time, they had denuded Europe of natural resources by this point.

Once the societies in the New World became competitive with the Old World in terms of manufacturing and defense, the European powers tried to hold onto their advantageous economic position by force of arms.

This is exactly what started the American Revolution, and all of the revolutions afterward in Latin America.

>>1589857
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

>>1589810
>more to this than just money.

sugar mang all for some fucking sugar

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>>1589946
>mfw you fags don't know how to make your own sugar

>>1589810

Explain why this happened.

Slavery was outlawed.

>>1589857
>European powers tried to hold onto their advantageous economic position by force of arms.
>This is exactly what started the American Revolution, and all of the revolutions afterward in Latin America.
No. Or at least, very disingenuous way to put it.
The american wars of independence were more about not having to pay taxes to the motherland and being able to trade freely with every nation rather than just with the motherland than anything else.
They certainly weren't about the old world trying to stop the new world from developing a manufacturing sector, that's just a moronic thing to say.

>>1589970
>Explain why slavery was outlawed
Literally muh feels.
I'm not saying slavery is good for the economy mind you, just that the abolitionists did it because feels rather than economy.

>>1589978
You just restated my point.

The US wanted to be able to trade with the rest of the world on even terms.

Hence, an advantageous economic position. Having another country dictate your trade policy and tax your economy for their own benefit is not good for your economy.

>>1589970
expensive, inefficient, dangerous

>>1589982
It actually had nothing to do with feels, and everything to do with competition.

The logic went that slavery would devalue the labor of free men, and if free men had less economic capital, society would logically have to become less democratic.

A very small proportion of the north were moralfags about slavery, and the majority of the north didn't care about it beyond making sure that the slave states didn't gain more power than the free states and outmaneuver them.

The actual war portion was essentially 100% about keeping the union together, from the top all the way down to the individual diaries of the soldiers that historians have found. Lincoln explicitly said that if he could preserve the union and free no slaves, he'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

>>1589984
>You just restated my point.
No, you said
>Once the societies in the New World became competitive with the Old World in terms of manufacturing and defense, the European powers tried to hold onto their advantageous economic position by force of arms.
Which is wrong. The new world wasn't competitive in neither field (US independence came at the hands of french and spanish, SA independence came at the hands of brits and french), what they wanted to trade freely were their raw materials like cotton. Talking of manufacturing is ridiculous.

>>1590004
I was referring to war production

What I was trying to say is that the second the countries in the New World gained the ability to win a fight with the ones in the Old World, they proceeded to do so, because they had every economic incentive to.

>>1589992
That and slave based industry would pose a risk to British goods, which is why the English tried to shut down slavery worldwide.

>>1589992
You're talking of america banning slavery.
I was talking of britain and france, which is what effectively stopped the triangle trade. If you read up on that, you'll find almost exclusively muh feels bullshit as motivations. The economic argument came after Europe had already banned slavery.

>>1590009
That's actually still kinda wrong, because they sure as shit didn't wait until they could win a fight, they only waited until another power offered to win a fight for them.

>>1589810
It was still mostly money. The moral and political realities behind the triangle trade are just icing on the economic cake. Besides, the triangle trade was just a general pattern, not something rigid and enforced. European shipping generally went anywhere it could chasing rumors of profit to be made, and the triangle trade happened to be a fairly reliable circuit.

>>1590015
Nah, see >>1590010

The feels argument was just the way to win popular support for the ban.

>>1590033
But by the time the brits banned slavery, they only owned caribbean islands. No kind of british (as in, from the actual british islands) was also made in say Jamaica and viceversa, so where exactly was the competition?

>>1590023
Well, the US did produce a shitload of guns, gunpowder, and cannons during the war.

France contributed a large amount of powder and fought diversionary battles, but playing larger powers off against one another is a universal feature of insurgent conflict.

>>1589846
Aside from them taking sick and dying in droves, why didn't American colonists make slave populations of the natives?

>>1589854
This doesn't effect countries in the world today, for the same reason. Does a nation like Saudi Arabia, which produces basically no finished goods say "Hmmmm, you know, this trade scheme seems inherently uneven. Maybe we'll be better off just not exporting oil."

>>1590139
Literally that first one.

They died too quickly, and were hard to capture relative to Africans.

With Africans, you had entire slaver kingdoms that existed solely to capture slaves and sell them to European traders for more guns to go capture more slaves. And the exchange rate was cheap as fuck, being that it's Africa and they can't get firearms or other manufactured goods anywhere else.

>>1589992
If we're talking about America there's also the fact that whites were ridiculously out numbered, something like 8 Africans to ever 1 white american. Not to mention the Amerindians would likely have supported an African revolution, because A.) No knowledge of the Africans past and B.) The colonists history with them. Sure the Amerindians were dwindling in numbers but support is support.

Additionally, there is also the point that an african revolution would have likely come as a surprise to white slave owners. There are many accounts of plantation owners in shock at the slaves walking off their plantations after the abolition of slavery. Why? The owners thought the slaves loved them.

Needless to say, it was wise that slavery was abolished considering the possibilities.

>>1590010
It's the exact, polar opposite.

The moralfags may have pushed Britain out of the slave trade directly, but they still made every effort to profit from slave trade indirectly.

Britain was seriously considering intervening on the Confederate side for that sweet cotton.

>>1590176
I think that at the height, there were two whites in the south for every one slave.

Your numbers are a bit off, especially being that the slaves didn't exactly leave afterwards and blacks are less than 10% of the population in the US today.

>>1590159
Also, linking back to the triangle trade, people got bills of exchange from GB because of their sugar daddy shit, so they were literally getting niggers for free.

>>1590159
Hm. Smallpox is a bitch, huh?

>>1590209
Fun fact.

The smallpox epidemic that happened after the Columbian exchange is on the shortlist for the deadliest single event in the entire history of the human race.

The other contenders are WW2, the Mongol Conquests, and a couple of civil wars in China.

All of them are estimated at somewhere in the 50-100 million death range, it's impossible to be precise because the people keeping records died.

>>1590220
>a couple of civil wars in China

Didn't a few thousand people get eaten in a single sacking of a city? Or was that unrelated?

>>1589982
This

They import so many Negros hither that I fear this Colony
will some time or other be confirmed by the Name of New
Guinea. I am sensible of many bad consequences of
multiplying these Ethiopians amongst us. They blow up the
pride, & ruin the Industry of our White People who, seeing a
Rank of poor Creatures below them, detest work for fear it
should make them look like Slaves. . . .

Rev. Cotton Mather 1696

>>1590226
I'm pretty was a siege, but yeah, that shit happened.

Read into Zhang Xianzhong and the seven kill stele if you want to get into some really crazy shit.

The Great Leap Forward probably killed around 30 million people, and that was so recent that it happened when Elvis was still big.

China is great.

>>1590220
>muh 100 gorrilion
Literally worse than the Jews.

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>>1590235
Wew.

If that isn't eerily prescient...

>>1590244
I know, it's super weird.

>>1590240
Smallpox is no fucking joke if you have no tolerance for it.

They're still finding cities in the jungle that nobody in the area know anything about.

>>1590244
>>1590259
Keep in mind that everyone before maybe 100 years ago was an intense Romaboo.

They knew exactly where things could go.

>>1589810
I can tell you why it inevitably stopped. The rise of The Industrial Revolution. Since factories became the new primary investment agricultural slave plantations lost a lot of backing, and began to fall out of popularity. The US South was stubborn in this regard, since all the factories were built in the North. If tractors and all the other tools that came with the Green Revolution were created before the US Civil War, then slavery probably would've just fallen out of style.

And yes, it was 90% because of money that slavery became abolished. Since it was now not needed, the rich simply did away with it to obtain a moral high ground. Sure there were people that were against it when it was still significant to profit margins, but that accounts for that 10%, the ideologically charged. The saying, "Money makes the world go round." exists for a reason. Nothing significant happens in the world without action or reaction from the wealthy man's checkbook.

>>1589810

Rum is awesome and worth more than most human life.

Could you imagine trading slaves for rum?
That sounds like a nice day.

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>>1591041
But to get slaves in the first place you need guns. Where do you get the guns?
Also, have you ever tried Bumbo? Its the pirate style of having Rum, has a Christmasy taste.