>mfw I found out Cao Cao is a historical person and the Three

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>mfw I found out Hitler is a historical person and the Third Reich is real

I'm Cao Pi

who /Lu Bu/ here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbWGIHEpI0c

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>>1589343

>mfw I found out Zhuge Liang invented the wheelbarrow, the repetition crossbow and skylanterns

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>>1589435
That may be so, but Liu Xuan burnt Wei and Wu to crispy perfection

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>>1589343

No it isn't, don't be silly

>>1590200
Chen Gong is the real goat

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>>1590206

If only he killed the villain cao cao before he begin his genocidal reign

>>1590230
Cao Cao is based too. Blame Lu Bu.

Can someone tell me what movie these pics are from?

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>>1589585

>this motherfucker

Fucking Wu, they just fuked up with Cao Cao and Liu Bei, but they had no endgame, they were just trying to stall forever, fucking useless assholes.

>>1590260

The greatest asian political-military series since LOTGH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kingdoms_(TV_series)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNHnX4xsplo&list=PL33A390995E9A7F00

>>1590265
What did you expect from the river niggers?

The greatest things they ever achieved was killing Guan Yu and Red Cliffs.

Reminder that Sima Yi did nothing wrong.
Reminder that Zhuge Liang did everything wrong.

>>1590277
Thank you so much

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>>1590289

DELETE THIS

Who Caofag here? I was so fucking butthurt at the ending of the series. At least those southern faggots lost too.

>>1590289
Except for that time Sima Yi ran with his tail between his legs because he saw Zhuge Liang playing a fucking harp on top of an gate.

>>1590304
Cao Cao was brilliant.

Cao Pi was a fucking failure.

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>>1590277
>mfw thr only chink in LOTGH got BTFO hard

Yeah and everyone else eventually got BTFO by some semi steppe horsefuckers of Qin

>>1589399
WTF
I
HATE
GERMANY
NOW

>>1590314
>this scene

why'd you have to bring up those feels

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>>1590277
The series was great fun. Only downside is having to put up with idiots like >>1590306 or >>1590307 who think the series was historically accurate.

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>>1590334

What series is that .webm from? looks cool.

>>1590200
>>1590206
>>1590230
>be ambitious slimy backstabber who chooses the wrong leader to follow and is ultimately defeated and killed
>popular fiction portrays you as a hero just because the guy you betrayed happened to be the designated villain in fiction
>they also cut out the part about you betraying him at the worst possible moment

Man, Chen Gong lucked out.

See:
http://the-archlich.tumblr.com/post/105531523137
or if you're picky about sources see:
http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com/post/146736393201/

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>>1590349
Cao Cao

It's not really a Three Kingdoms series, as it only focuses on Cao Cao, starting from a fictional childhood in the 160s and ending in 207, but it does have a Liu Bei as a minor character, who is easily the best Liu Bei ever.

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>>1590314
Because Yang, like many retarded chinese figures across history got cucked to death because they married a shitty ideology and couldn't see 2 meters in front of them or didn't go with the times.

See most of the chink dinasties

Also what did the real yellow river kingdoms think about today's south china back in those times?

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>>1590365

Cheers anon

>>1590265
>they had no endgame
You have it backwards.

The endgame was actually pretty clear: consolidate control of the southeast, screw with the southwest and north leaving them divided and weak, proceed to conquer both and unify the realm.

What they screwed up was the beginning. Despite the efforts and energies of the early generations of officers, when the foundations of Wu were laid, Sun Ce and Sun Quan et al proved unable to break the network of power of the established gentry families, only win their allegiance. In the long run, the Wu central government could not maintain control over these local interests, and Wu naturally splintered apart after the death of Sun Quan and the inability to find a sufficiently strong leader who could keep the allegiance of the local powers.

Read de Crespigny's General of the South. It's free online.

Also, Wei actually ended up suffering the same problem. As soon as Cao Rui died and was succeeded by a weak child, immediately the powerful local gentry ended up shifting their allegiance, allowing one of those established powerful gentry family, the Sima family, to eventually use the old guard network to usurp power.

>>1590375

Southern china was a sparsely populated bumfuck nowhere until the fall of the jin dinasty.
Source: Fall of jin dinasty wikipedia article

>>1590422
For fuck's sake stop trusting wikipedia articles on Chinese history. The wikipedia editors have no idea what they are talking about and can't read classical Chinese for shit.

>>1590277
I just started watching this because of your post, anon.
What am I in for?

>>1590442
Entertaining historically inaccurate political intrigue.

Might be relevant:
http://jiuyangda.tumblr.com/post/134596453049/

>>1590442

Treachery. Politics. Generals with superhuman strength. Morally grey characters. 80% historical accuracy (it's based on a classical chinese novel about real facts). Submissive women. Ancestor worship. Top tier military tactics. It's 200 a.c.

Protip: Refrain from reading anything about the period anywhere and from reading threads about it. Massive spoilers.

>>1590430

Wikipedia can be trusted with general knowledge. For details you go to the sources.

>>1590355
>Zhuge Liang (- - - | - - -)
>Ma Chao (- - - | - - -)
>Liu Bei (- - - | - - -)

brutal

>>1590467
>>1590465
Nice. Is it mainly just politics?

>>1590475
Adding onto this, out of curiosity, when did the show end? Everything I look up just says it started in 2010, not when it ended.

>>1590467
Please don't try to pass off the series as historically accurate in any degree. Putting the battle of Chibi in the correct year does not excuse nonsense like Cao Chong being poisoned (a plot that was completely original to the series too! not even previous fiction dared go so far in deviating from history)

>>1590475
No, it's just the politics that make it entertaining. There are battle scenes where you'll want to fast forward too because you want to watch the exciting people in costumes talking to each other scenes instead.

>>1590475

It's like a Game of thrones anon. A fragmented kingdom with several factions trying to win everything. Dinasties, politics, war, espionage, etc.

>>1590496
>>1590495
Alright, will be watching it thanks.
Though out of curiosity, can someone answer this question I had >>1590484

>>1590496
I enjoyed the first 20 episodes so far.

I hope they shorten the "romance" scenes though. It's at least better than Japanese """""romance"""", but the Koreans are the best.

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1994 master race beats 2010 anytime

>>1590640

Diaochan and Lü bu's romance is the only long romance. The others are much easier.

>>1590467
>80% historical accuracy (it's based on a classical chinese novel about real facts)
The novel is at best 50% historically accurate and the tv series is just barely better, mostly because it doesn't have a massive pro shu bias like the novel.

>>1590495
>There are battle scenes where you'll want to fast forward too because you want to watch the exciting people in costumes talking to each other scenes instead.
It helps that the battle scenes are downright horrendous and the fx seems to come from a 60s b movie.

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Posting best girl

>>1590442
Once the Diaochan episodes are over, you'll be fine

>>1590475
>>1590496
it is better than game of thrones

imagine game of thrones centered on stannis, tywin and roose bolton without any 2edgy4u nonsense

>>1591796
The bit where Sun Quan was found out to be using his sister as a Political B8 to trap Liu Bei was funny as kek.

Also he betrayed Zhou Yu pretty fast by saying "IT WAS ZHOU YU'S FAULT."

zhuge liang here AMA

>>1591812
Was Ma Su your bitch? If not, why the fuck else did you think so high of him when everybody else considered him a moron?

>>1591800
Dear god that whole subplot was full of blatant pro-Shu whitewashing.

>Look, Liu Bei totally doesn't look 50 so it's fine
>Look, Lady Sun totally fell in love with Liu Bei after a sword fight that no one could seriously believe actually happened so it's fine
>Look, Lady Wu approved of the marriage and supported Liu Bei despite being dead for the past 8 years so it's fine

It's a fun story, but please don't treat any of it as history. Frankly I'm surprised they even acknowledged that historical Liu Bei was in his 50s at the time of the political marriage.

>>1591837
Ma Su actually seems to have been regarded rather highly in his own time. His career before Jieting was actually quite successful; it was only the disaster that forever tainted his reputation and made everyone forget his pretty solid pre-Jieting career.

Also, one might suspect Ma Su ended up as being a huge scapegoat for the defeat to let Zhuge Liang save face. Ma Su's own tactical mistakes aside, one must wonder what Zhuge Liang was thinking when he decided to send his vanguard so far ahead and without any support against Zhang He's numerically superior force.

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>>1591812

sup nigga

>>1591852
>one must wonder what Zhuge Liang was thinking when he decided to send his vanguard so far ahead and without any support against Zhang He's numerically superior force
The same things he must have been thinking before all his others military blunders: "nevermind that I've just won one single battle in my whole life, I'm certainly the greatest genius in chinese history*, so how can I do wrong?"

*I'm paraphrasing here, but he did literally compare himself favourably with warring states period sages in his treatises.

>>1591778
Please don't assign these arbitrary percentage points. Yes, there's the famous "7 parts 3 parts" quote, but that one's taken out of context (the guy was actually criticizing the novel as pseudo-historical garbage and is probably spinning in his grave from all the people quoting him to justify their taking things from the novel to argue about the actual history), and one has to realize that in the Chinese language the words for numbers are often used in a figurative or metaphorical sense; think of them more like using the word "few" or "most."

You can't quantify deviation from history because the fact is that the fictional story is nothing like history. It is fiction inspired by history.

Take for example the whole marriage alliance subplot. Historical records only tell us that the marriage occurred as a sign of political alliance at Sun Quan's proposal, with Liu Bei as the junior partner of the alliance. How can you possibly quantify the "deviation" when comparing the simple historical records to the whole made up story of Zhou Yu's plots and of them being foiled by Zhuge Liang's tricks to win the Lady Wu over to supporting Liu Bei?

>>1591812
Why couldn't you establish a functional record-keeping and history writing department?

The Shu section in Sanguozhi is terrible. While some pro-Shu idiots claim Sanguozhi is biased against Shu because it gave Shu the smallest section, if you actually read the damn thing you can sympathize with how hard Chen Shou worked to scrape the bottom of the barrel to make it even as long as it was. Record keeping was so terrible that the Shu "Annals" sections can't even give specific dates on which hugely important Court events like enthroning an Empress or a Crown Prince took place. Some can't even specify a month!

Seriously, there's one guy who has a biographical entry in the Shu section, over half of which is a letter from Zhuge Liang to that guy, because Chen Shou presumably had no other archival material to work with. And that letter wasn't written by the guy, it was written by Zhuge Liang to that guy.

Over half of a guy's biographical entry was quoting Zhuge Liang.

>>1591889
>Why couldn't you establish a functional record-keeping and history writing department?
Do you know how much internal opposition Kongming had? If he allowed other people to write history, the truth about him not being nearly as good as he wrote would have gotten out.

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>>1591926

>being this anti-Kongming

Fuck off Cao supporter. May you die without an inch of land to be buried and may your ancestor shrines be desecrated.

>>1590422
>Southern china was a sparsely populated bumfuck nowhere until the fall of the jin dinasty.
wew lad ever heard of Chu/Wu/Yue?

>>1592227
He might be imagining a different definition of "south China" than you.

Chu, Wu, and Yue were centered about the regions of the Yangzi river valley, but south of them is more mountainous territory and eventually the Pearl river valley, which were indeed less populated and civilized until the extensive southward colonization efforts following the collapse of Han.

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>>1592086

>>1590365
how do i watch this

all google shows is 3kd episodes

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>>1592387
It's on youtube

>>1592284
>He might be imagining a different definition of "south China" than you.
The historical "south" was the lower/middle Yangtze,territories further south were considered barbarian.

Southern regimes developed local identities, ruled from the aforementioned areas as well as being the primary destination of northern migrants.

Genealogies and local gazetteers are easily fabricated,southward migrations were never primarily directed at regions south of the Yangtze.

Low population density doesn't change the fact that Western Jin elites fled to the lower Yangtze not Fujian/Guangdong.

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>>1592408
well I must be a fucking retard because I can't find it

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>>15926

>>1592617
Kiss asian/ three kingdoms

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>>1592326

LoL. You made me kek.

>>1592617
You clearly just watched it.

Cao Cao (2013 TV Series). That's the series.

>>1592718
it's a trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huLJrysAQgQ

Is Zhang He actually a homosex or did the video games make him that way for sheer diversity?

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What the fuck with wrong with this nigger?

>puts his troop on a single hill
>no source of water on said hill
>general tells him he's crazy and will be obliterated if they're seiged
>"ayy lmao we'll just fight harder if we put ourselves in an impossible situation, I'm as ebin as Sun Tzu :^)"

What the fuck? He was Zhuge Liang's prize student, he was studying under him for 20 years and this is what he does?

>>1593157
Too much ego, too little experience. He was basically a sycophant and liked to try and impress Zhuge Liang with his insight. His cleverness was not tempered by wisdom.

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>>1593157

was taught by zhuge liang

WHERE CAN I FIND THE FUCKING SOUNDTRACK

Thank you

>>1592908
Vidya.
Knowing Japan: as a fucking Joke, not because of diversity or something.

But then again the Chinese were into homosex shit like Greeks.

>>1593262

No OST my friend. I search the forums where the translation originated and nope, there is none.

HOWEVER!

I just made this (for myself) yesterday. So I'm gonna share with my bros just for keks.

https://mega.nz/#F!AMUFUaZT!zX9EJHEh2ppAftOoRDdybw

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>watching & enjoying tk2010
>get to parts with Liu Shan
>he has almost the same mannerisms as you

>>1593262
>>1593310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa14MVSgGp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUERHU_llq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH0c7L6VFe0

>>1592908
>>1593280
The name Zhang 張 pronounced in Japanese is Chou, which is a homophone for the Japanese pronunciation of 蝶, meaning "butterfly."

That is literally it. The name sounds like butterfly so they made him a butterfly. Never mind that loads of other characters also have the name Zhang/Chou and don't get the same treatment.

Japanese humor is bizarre.

>>1593157
Why are you surprised? Zhuge Liang literally only won one single campaign his whole career, and that against a bunch of infighting leaderless southern barbarians.
He was not certainly a teacher of warfare.

>>1593833
Funny thing is that Ma Su did relatively well in that one southern campaign.

We all know the best warrior was Lu Bu.

Who was second best? A lot of strong contenders.

>>1593846
What did Ma Su even did in that campaign? The only mention I've found of him was that bullshit about catching and releasing Meng Huo 7 times, which is pure fiction.

>>1593862
>Lu Bu
That's not how you spell Zhang Liao.

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>>1593395

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>>1590375
Yang was very competent leader that people want, but not not by his personal choice. His biggest flaw was comparably opposite to Reinhardt, that is his choice of life style before the Empire immersion. He just want to stay at home and read books, he never wanted to get involved and that lead to his late start of power and ultimate ending. But in one sense, he did won the war philosophically for his homeland.

>>1594100
sight, mobile posting sucks.

>>1593369

Are you physically retarded?

>>1593862

Zhou Yu.

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>>1591796
>he doesn't like the diaochan episodes

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>>1593395

>>1594490
Not him, but anything Lu Bu related in the show is fucking shit. Who the fuck thought to cast a little bitch like that to play fucking Lu Bu of all people? It's not like he was a good actor either, he sucked bad.

>>1590349
Where can I find that HD rip?

I was wondering:
What is /his/ opinion on Red Cliff movie?

>>1592908
Zhang He is a goddamn prophet in ROTK

He predicted his own death

>>1595553
That stupid Xiao Qiao subplot doesnt deserve to exist.

Its costume department & props rock though.

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>>1595553
Costumes are reconstructions of actual unearthed late Han dynasty clothing and armour.

So I give that 10/10.

Actions scenes are flashy but grounded in reality, no flying horses or 1000 meter spear throws. It's quite John Woo in style but it's cinematics, it's meant to attract and excite.

But the second film where Cao Cao reminisces over Xiaoqiao and they sneak into Cao Cao's personal camp is basically bullshit.

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What's your opinion on the historical Liu Bei? Media often portray him as the Chinese Jesus, but did he actually care more for the people than his rivals?

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>>1595407

https://avistaz.to/torrent/27613-2010-three-kingdoms-complete-720p-bluray-x264-wiki

>>1595743
You don't happen to have a login and password do you? Seems like you have to be invited to use this torrenting site.

>>1595778

I can send a invite, got a 10minutemail or similar I could send to?

>>1594448

Probably

>>1595653

>the helmets are designed to acomodate the man bun

Praise Zhou Yu

>>1595653
>Actions scenes are flashy but grounded in reality, no flying horses or 1000 meter spear throws.
Doesn't stop them from having the obligatory Guan Yu slaughtering entire armies by himself and Zhang Fei knocking people down by yelling scenes.

God, would east Asian audiences riot if any film dared deviate from these archetypes? Even the Cao Cao TV series, which dared recast Liu Bei as a slimy self-promoting attention whore still kept Guan Yu as a one-man army and Zhang Fei knocking people down by yelling.

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>>1596310
Yes.

Because not making them do so will go against almost a millenia of folk stories.

Guan Yu and Zhang Fei's meme weapons would not even exist up until the T'ang Dynasty. But I cant for the life of me imagine Guan Yu without his Green Dragon Crescent Blade. You just cant. It's like Jesus without the meme cross/crown of thorns/hippie hair.

>>1596046
[email protected]

I think this should work

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>>1596330

doesn't like it

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>>1590703
my nigga, the 1994's casts are far better at played characters

>>1596341
[email protected]
This should work

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>>1596375

Doesn't like that one either, how about making a throwaway gmail/yahoo/mail.com account?

>>1596434
Or send him regular email and he'll send you his actual email through that.
Though that seems like a crazy idea.

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>>1593157
The genius of ZL was not in warfare, but in civil matters. He was a master administrator but only an above-average military strategist. Military tactics was more Pang Tong's thing. If PT had lived then he could have handled military matter while ZL handled civil. Sadly it was not to be and ZL had to juggle civil administration, court politics and fervently trying to conquer Wei.

The only competent military people around at the time were Wei Yan (but untrustworthy), Jiang Wei and Ma Dai. The Tiger Generals were dead except for Zhao Yun who was like 70. The sons, while competent were not like their fathers. He had to make do with what he had, and it was not enough.

Wei controlled the Chinese heartland and Wu the entire Yangtze river. Shu was literally just mountains, unsettled borderlands and jungles. Easy to defend but sparse in resources and manpower. Shu lost the struggle after Liu Bei's defeat at Yi-Ling.

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Wei Yan did nothing wrong

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So many 2010 worshipers, time to clear up the dust.

1994 vs 2010
Plot: 1994>2010
Characters: 1994>2010 (mostly)
Dialogue: 1994>>>>>2010
Music: 1994>>>>>>>>>>>>>2010

Once you get into the 1994 version, it will be superior to 2010 in almost every way. No lack of inspiration and woodiness with the debates (Kongming vs southern scholars, etc). No repetitive overly Western soundtrack that plays every single episode.

The only things 2010 was Mengde the troll and the battle scenes. Even though the 2010 fighting parts did get boring after a while, I do admit 1994's battles were utter crap.

>>1596365
Bretty much

>>1596810
This, although the Sichuan basin did have enough fertile land for Shu to be more than a buffer state.

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>>1596919
>Wei Yan did nothing wrong

>working for shu
>working under zhuge liang
>getting killed by zhuge liangs fuccboi

>>1596810
>The only competent military people around at the time
Way to out yourself as a novel reader with zero knowledge of the actual historical records, though the fact that you named Ma Dai (aka the guy only recorded in history for being related to Ma Chao and being the one to kill Wei Yan at Yang Yi's order) of all people as one of the "only competent military people" really drove it home.

A list of the important and competent military commanders of Shu:
Huo Jun
Huo Yi
Luo Xian
Wang Lian
Xiang Lang
Zhang Yi
Hang Hong
Fei Shi
Huang Quan
Li Hui
Lu Kai
Ma Zhong
Wang Ping
Zhang Ni

>>1597020

got a torrent?

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>>1597103
It's available for free with subtitles on jewtube. Just type in "romance of the three kingdoms 1" and select the one with lots of flowers in the thumbnail.

Does anyone have a working torrent to Story of Han Dynasty? Cannot find it for the life of me.

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>>1589435
>mfw i found out Zhuge Liang cried because he was bullied by the Shu bros

I read somewhere that the 2010 series was filmed in under a year.
That shit completely blew my mind. The quality might not always be great, but that's still 90+ 40 minute episodes they had to film.

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>>1597321

>you will never be as happy as cao cao just before fucking obliterating his old friends army

why even go on?

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>>1597443
[spoiler]is /eagg/ sustainable in this time?[/spoiler]

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>>1597542

>124 posts
>2 days

maybe one day

>>1597563
Hopefully, are you taking part in the Three Kingdoms Quest over on /qst/?

>>1597563
those tatutos keep fucking dying

was it a running joke or something

>>1597576
/tg/ quests are pure utter cancer of the highest order

Worst thing to ever happen on that site.

>>1597594
There is really nothing to talk about in an /eagg/ thread outside shitposting about waifus/husbandos and the occasional actual gameplay discussion

>>1597600
*/qst/

The group we have so far isn't bad, most seem knowledgeable about the setting and history

>>1597600

We must continue the fight brother.

>TFW Xiahou Dun wasn't as cool as he was in DW
Still nice to learn he was a chill dude to the peasants though

>>1597635
He was Cao Cao's right hand from day one. That's still pretty cool.

http://xuesanguo.tumblr.com/post/143696666937/

>>1597635
>Xiahou Dun wasn't as cool as he was in DW
IRL he was much cooler. Instead of just looking cool but jobbing every single stage, he was actually extremely useful to Cao Cao in civil administration and military logistics. Not to mention an extremely loyal friend and confidant to him.

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>>1589343
>mfw I found out America is a historical person and the United US is real

>>1597576

Sorry for delay, no i don't, but i'll take a look

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>>1598096
I think it's the same dude who is running it who ran it two years ago but it fell apart, hopefully it doesn't go the same route

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>>1598116

Looks good, gonna get some sleep then go though all the archived threads

>>1597542
Tgs will be coming, hopefully DW9 news can sustain /eagg/ for like a week

>>1597542
>>1597563

I want a Sanguó general so I can shitpost about Cao Cao and Zhuge Liang 24/7

Please Kek let it happen!

>>1597073
>No Liao Hua

>>1598608
No one ever shitposts about Cao Cao. It's always hating on Zhuge Liang (understandably, since this is a history board and he was pure cancer to Shu historiography and all following historiography biased towards Shu).
I do wish we talked about Wei, Wu and Jin too in these threads.

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>>1589343
"real"

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>>1599238
>but when he was winning he lost in the end

>>1597635
>Xiaohou Dun in movies and video games
>balls to the wall warrior who fucks shit up

>Xiaohou Dun in IRL history
>Confucian bookworm administrator who sometimes leads the army

>>1599428
Bookworm who was still tough enough to beat you up. The eye arrow wound suggests he fought in the front lines, at least early on (to be expected; even Cao Cao fought on the front lines with his men early on), and he killed a man as a kid.

What could be a historical setting in Europe for similar intense warfare and court intrigue period for a similar show?

>>1599853
>and he killed a man as a kid.

Judging by Han dynasty society standards, this is pretty common.

>>1600011
The other War of the Three Kingdoms

>>1600011
30 years war.
Rome after the assassination of Julius.
Napoleonic wars.
The Italian wars.
Pelopennisian wars.
The Trojan war.

>>1600011
Considering how many people keep bringing up Game of Thrones, obviously the War of the Roses.

>>1599413
>>1599238

Does it count as "losing" if you suddenly die of an illness in the middle of it?
Serious question.

>>1600011

30 years war
Napoleon
100 years war

>>1600722
Yes.

Also, despite that pic's jokes, even in the novel Zhuge Liang was bogged down and not making any real progress in his last campaign.

To Zhuge Liang's credit, he was able to at least pose a significant threat and may even have had local superiority over Sima Yi in that last campaign, though this was not entirely his own doing.

The 234 campaign was part of a united effort where both Wu and Shu launched massive offensives against Wei simultaneously in all three major battle theaters. As Wu was the larger and more serious threat, Wei's resources were mostly focused in the southern and eastern theaters against Wu. Sima Yi was given strict orders to hold to defenses and not risk what few troops were left in the western theater in open battle, and just wait out Zhuge Liang.

This proved to be a wise decision: Wu forces were surprised by the unexpected reinforcements coming east and were driven back, while Zhuge Liang indeed was able to overcome Sima Yi's defenses and died without any progress.

>>1597020
>The only things 2010 was Mengde the troll and the battle scenes. Even though the 2010 fighting parts did get boring after a while, I do admit 1994's battles were utter crap.
The 2010 version had a lot less crying

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>>1601412
True, 2010 Liu Bei especially wasn't as much of a crybaby. But he acts jarringly two-faced about muh benevolence in that series whereas the older series reconciles his positives and negatives much better. The foremost example is comparing between the two series of how Liu Bei acts when asked to stop being so absorbed in his martial arts waifu .

Also, most of the times, you could sympathize with the crying in 1994 if you have grasp of where they come from. Webm related.

>>1602096
>we will never get a parallel scene of Cao Cao in 217 staring at the Yangzi and realizing he will never cross it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgY4kTQDXr4
Is this what music in the Three Kingdoms period sounded like?

>>1602143
Can't tell if trolling or not

>>1602143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vT2r5JajAU&index=26&list=PLA3CAA0FF05FEC5C0
These two should match the period .

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>you will never be so baller you kill people with your epic banter

>>1602251
>have exciting life full of adventure and warfare
>build successful political career and reach the very top levels of government
>happen to die of natural causes far away in the capital around the same time as Zhuge Liang's first campaign is utterly routed
>hundreds of years later people say you were there and that Zhuge Liang killed you with words just so that Zhuge Liang can claim one victory from the whole debacle
>you are forever after remembered only as "that guy who got killed by words"
Poor Wang Lang is spinning in his grave.

>>1602143

yes

t. 3rd century chinese

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Do you think things would have gone differently if Cao Cao hadn't killed his own fucking uncle while he was trying to make him a nice meal?

>>1602332
I don't think it made a difference in the grand scheme, Chen Gong might have stuck around but he wasn't anything special.

>>1602332
Well, considering that the historical man didn't kill his uncle and the historical records ended up almost completely different from how things are portrayed in the novel, one would probably have to say yes.

But on the other hand the point of divergence between novel and history is already even before that, so who's to say it wasn't some earlier thing that made Cao Cao kill his uncle in the novel?

Seriously though, the whole Cao Cao killing Lv Boshe subplot in the novel pisses me off because it breaks geography. In the novel Cao Cao flees Luoyang, is arrested in Zhongmu and released, reaches Chenggao, where he kills Lv Boshe, then continues on his way until reaching his destination. Problem is, Cao Cao was fleeing east from Luoyang, and Chenggao is to the west of Zhongmu. Cao Cao must have reached Chenggao first, and only afterward reached Zhongmu.

>>1602361
Historically Chen Gong did not join Cao Cao until around 191. He betrayed Cao Cao in 193, for completely different reasons than his novel counterpart's desertion.

Historical Chen Gong honestly has very little to do with his novel counterpart.

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>>1602332

Yes, he would of been tricked by his evil uncle & killed for the ransom.

if it ever happened that is.

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>Make a touchdown with your beibi
>"Wowww how can my son be this retarded?"

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>>1602455
>that look of utter disappointment on his deathbed
He knew Wu was fucked

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>>1590277
外国人居然也看这个

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>>1602526

and a ching chong nip nong to you too

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>>1602251

>>1602650

>no spitting blood

boo

>>1602650
>Wang Lang had great talent and wide learning, but by nature was orderly and generous, often with awe-inspiring manner, respectful and frugal and economical, and at his own wedding present gifts and would not receive them. He always ridiculed the worldly who had reputation for liking to give and yet did not provide relief to the poor and lowly, and therefore used his wealth to first provide for urgent situations.

>>1602650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-W06fiwlo
btfo'ing starts 5:30

>>1602455
Cracks me up every fucking time.

>>1602650
>>1602728
Fuck you, Zhuge Liang. Wang Lang was studying statecraft and learning the classics under none other than Grand Commandant Yang Ci before you were even born. He loyally defended Kuaiji in the name of Han against Sun Ce while you were sitting in your little family farm telling your friends about how your unemployed ass was as great as legendary statesmen Guan Zhong and Yue Yi.

Wang Lang was a champion of the downtrodden. In Kuaiji he cared for and pacified the people with his love and grace. As a senior minister of Wei he always lobbied for reduced expenditures in order to reduce the burdens placed on the common people. He gave his personal wealth to bring relief to others.

Also his granddaughter ended up being the wife of Sima Zhao, who oversaw the conquest of your Shu.

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>>1603669
Traitor of the Great Han detected. Go fall off a horse and die.

>>1603947
>quoting peasant rebel Chen Sheng
What a fine way of revealing how little loyalty you actually have

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>>1603978
Since ancient times, the virtuous has assumed power from the corrupt and decadent. Chen Sheng thus had the prerogative to rebel against the tyrant. Whereas the Qin was oppressive and went against Heaven's will, the Imperial Uncle has demonstrated his virtue and obedience to it. Smashing the armies of the spawn of eunuchs, suffering with his people, and displaying his magnanimity to the world, he demonstrates that it is one's duty to follow the current emperor in Shu. Heaven has not abandoned the House of Liu.

Shoo! Sycophants like you who know no true master can never redeem their honor, no matter trifling trinkets you or your masters dole out. You are delaying fate and increasing the suffering of the people in the long run by throwing Heaven and Earth into chaos.

>>1603947
I always enjoy the "fast blinking with a tilt of the head" gesture thats a signifier for being flustered in Asian drama. No other expression quite captures that feeling of

>N-no you

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>>1604084
Furthermore, the High Ancestor himself was well into his adulthood when he righteously fulfilled his ambition. Why grudge living in obscurity for a time when one can further the Great Cause at the appointed time?

>>1603947
>>1604084
>>1604213

>talks about the virtuous taking power from the corrupt and decadent
>defends a corrupt and decadent dynasty

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>>1604084
>>1604213
the house of liu is full of rapist cannibals, check

>>1605188
Funny thing is that the rapist cannibals were the good ones.

The rest were weak-willed momma's boys, the receiver in homosexual relationships, somehow couldn't father any heirs despite having hundreds to even thousands of women in their harems, and always keeled over before even hitting forty.

>>1605243
emperor ai is definitely the extreme that you listed yeah

>>1605172
Did you read the part about about the Han?

>>1605172
Former dynasties had been overthrown because their rulers were legitimate assholes. The last Han emperors were just weak, not tyrannical. And the opportunistic warlords jumped at the chance to gather more power to themselves. The Han never deterioated into Qin, Shang style tyranny. Usurping the Han was pure opportunism.

>>1605325
>Former dynasties had been overthrown because their rulers were legitimate assholes.
Meaningless propaganda. Ziying had only just restored his authority from the overly powerful minister Zhao Gao and barely reigned forty days before he surrendered to Gaozu. And what were the crimes by which Nan of Zhou lost the Mandate beyond weakness in the face of opportunism?

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>>1597563
>dadudu.jpg
Grown men constantly crying and throwing themselves to the floor after their commander coughs blood made me lol

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>>1605514

>>1605514
I see the concepts of loyalty and devotion is alien to you.

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>>1605514

you should take care of your dadudus

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>>1606109
dadudus are meant to be protected and cared for

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Was it /his/ approved?

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>>1606125

Indeed.

>>1606130
not 60 dollars worth, if you're looking for an RPG influenced style game like X, you're not going to get it, it's like a watered down XI with simplifed X elements thrown in

there's really nothing to do in the game outside of serving a lord

people new to the series would probably like it though

>>1606130
>a strategy game
>on ps4
Why even. Just pirate it for pc or buy it on steam. You need a mouse for these games.

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>>1606109
>>1605590
It isn't easy being a dadudu

>>1595743
Where did you guys get the 1994 version from? Looking everywhere, but I can't find it.

Only thing I have is the 2010 rip off of nyaa. Why did kat have to die ;_;

>>1606879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyS1CuUiPno

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>>1606699

How is "dadudu" really written in pinyin? I havent been able to figure it out and I want to know.

>>1607264
大都督 (dà'dū'dū)

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Oh no! the Imperial Chancellor is stuck!

what do you do?

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>>1607361

>>1607298
>>1606699

All this time i could have sworn it was "Ta to do".
I hate the way chinese is romanized.

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>>1589343
Chinese fun fact: the phrase "speak of the devil" can be translated into Chinese as "shuo1cao2cao1cao2cai1dao4" or "say cao cao, cao cao arrives".

>>1608837
Cao cao dindu nuffin wrong, he was just removing a weak leader.

>>1606699
especially when everyone has tuberculosis

>>1608837
>Using pinyin with tone markers

>>1608837
Supposedly this derived from his impressive speed in marching and ability to catch enemies completely off guard.

Xiahou Yuan might have been even faster.

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You will buy her PUK right /his/?

>>1610723
If koei makes a better game sure

>>1610119
好,那我就會用國語,"speak of the devil"的中文翻譯是”說曹操,曹操到”

>>1610177
True, but the way it rolls of your tongue in Chinese is pretty based.

>>1608974
You lie. Cao Cao loyally served the Emperor of Han and refused all petitions that he ascend as Emperor.

>>1611785
謝哉!

>>1611855
>You lie. Cao Cao loyally served the Emperor of Han and refused all petitions that he ascend as Emperor.
Cao pi didn't, though

>>1611855
>>1613945

Cao Cao has already won if there are people that thinks like this.
Beware of Cao Ahman's tricks!

>>1589343
Do the Chinese still have that baby name/adult name/courtesy name schtick?

>>1613978
Babby Name/Adult Name still there

Courtesy name is long gone. Died with the fall of the Qing. Although in the first half of the 20th Century there were Chinese walking around with Courtesy names. Mao Zedong is styled "Runzhi." Chiang Kai-shek (Jiang Jieshi in Mandarin) is styled "Zhongzheng."

>>1597576
Ce a best

>>1613978
>>1613987
Jieshi is actually his style (字), Zhongzheng is his personal name (名) though it's one he chose for himself. He had a few other personal names before settling on that one.

It's actually more complicated than that, because naming conventions actually became more complex over time rather than simpler.

>>1613968
Yes, he was so tricky, writing all those history books that show his loyal refusal to ascend as Emperor written after his death from beyond the grave.