>Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all

Read Plato and Aristotle.

>>1579212
Only those who perform a public service (military, work in hospitals etc...) for a minimum of 5 years should be allowed to vote.

One vote per household.

Single people don't get to vote. NEETs don't get to vote

>>1579253
Generally agree that NEETs shouldn't decide anything, but still voting rights should be based on pedigree and not merit.

Reminder that God appointed the Emperor as ruler!

>>1579212
>implying the majority of humans aren't retards
>implying most non retards aren't too busy working and raising families to actually research politics

Above everything else, women don't get to vote, unless widow and head of the family.

>>1579263
Come to think of it, women shouldn't vote period.

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Democracy is outdated. Technocracy is the future.

>>1579262

>implying intelligent people don't take an interest in the governance of the society they belong to

>>1579263
>>1579266
I agree with you my dear Abdullah al-Mahmud, our God truly is the greatest, praise him.

>>1579275

I don't get why /pol/ hates islam when it seems to embody most of their values.

>>1579275
Women shouldn't vote
t. Catholic

>>1579212
>Democracy is only as good as its people
>Autocracy is only as good as its leader

it isn't inherently good or bad. All you have to do is look as all the third world democracies to see that.

>>1579268
Engineers make the worst rulers that could possibly be if the US is any indication.

>>1579280
>fiddling kids
>endless war
>non-european
>throwing acid on women's faces
>rape
Yeah its so /pol/
Kys

>>1579280
Because islam thinks Jesus is just a shitty prophet and not literally God. Islam is a mockery.

>>1579284
1. Generals
2. Planters
3. Lawyers
.
.
.
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99999. Nuclear Engineers

>>1579289

Of that list non-European is probably the only thing that would trigger /pol/lacks.

>>1579299
I posted degeneracy so youre incorrect.

>>1579268
>rationalia is founded
>there is no evidence that rationalia is superior to other countries
>black science man executed for irrational beliefs
>rationalia disbanded

>>1579299
>/pol/ wants to diddle kids and throw acid on women's faces, as well as endless war
I know lefties are delusional but this is a whole new level

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>>1579306
>black science man flees to foreign country
>national borders deemed irrational
>executed via death squad

>>1579328
>DUDE
>NOTHING IS REAL
>LMAO

>>1579328
I wonder if he forbids members of his own species from crossing into his premises with artificially constructed barriers as well

>>1579212
A voting roll that excludes nearly everyone but the upper middle class.

>>1579283
There are developing world nations that have a pretty decent democracy.

A limited democracy in the form of passing a rigorous exam that covers subjects like economics and theory of government.

Meritocratic and elitist, literally no downsides.

>>1579437
and there's a lot of developing world nations without democracy while there are plenty of democratic failed states.

>>1579445
>meritocracy

Pipe dream.

>>1579445
>passing an exam is meritocratic

I want everyone younger than 25 to leave

>>1579445
The problem is who designs the tests?

>>1579453
And Autocratic states are the easiest to corrupt, exploit and turn to shit.

>>1579445
so the Jim Crow south is your dream government?

>>1579462
Granted, I didn't imply that such a democracy would be. Just that the filter for voting rights would be more meritocratic.

>>1579467
Yeah the potential for corruption is real. But then again, it's not like regular democracies are good at avoiding that either.

>>1579477
The test there was whether or not you were white. That has nothing to do with how educated your vote might be.

>>1579466
desu what are you doing on this website past 25

>>1579473
yes, but they're also the easiest to reform and develop. Meanwhile a democratic failed state is almost impossible to save without some illegal government change.

>>1579486
>le 4chan is only for little kids maymay

Do you think the 20 year olds that were here in the late 2000s just packed up and left?

>>1579500
Yes. They got real job, children, families and loving wives. No time to shit post.

>>1579500
I would hope so.

>>1579506
I got all of that except for children and I'm still here. It's just a website you moron, stop treating it like a secret treehouse for kids.

>>1579512
If you go to imageboards where the average age is higher, the average post quality tends to be higher as well.

>>1579445
>A limited democracy in the form of passing a rigorous exam
This is utterly ridiculous, but it'll make for a nice short story.

>>1579486
>The test there was whether or not you were white

that's not true, they just tinkered to where a majority of blacks would be below the threshold. The only way they could be racially discriminatory was through Grandfather clauses, however those were outlawed federally within a decade or two of being passed. The Jim Crow south had very low voting participation regardless of blacks. However it only proves >>1579467 rights, once you make tests to vote, you invite open corruption.

>>1579512
Why?

>>1579242
>military
>public service

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>>1579212

>I feel more and more disillusioned.

You and me both m8

I have zero faith in the system anymore. Universal suffrage was a mistake.

>>1579229
Republic and Politics were "artistic" in their exercise and hopeful in practice.
They are better used to improve already existing states rather than begin a state.

Good advice.

>>1579523
Didn't classical China put their officials in power through civil service exams? Not saying it was perfect but it's worth a look back at I think. I readily admit I was throwing an idea at the wall and it's probably fucking stupid.

>>1579526
Good point, I suppose the larger problem wouldn't be that recently freed slaves would make uneducated votes but that there would be nothing stopping the entrenched upper class from giving them no representation.

>>1579539
In my home country my government tried, as part of an educational reform, to force teachers into undergoing rigorous tests in order to test whether teachers were fit to teach or not.
Teachers who did well on said exam would get their careers promoted and receive a bonus.
Everyone was baffled with the idea.

The most immediate issue was, indeed, who the fuck was making these exams, and why would they even be representative for teaching skills. They absolutely weren't.

But the most magical thing happened when teachers started to obviate the task of actually teaching little fucks in order to concentrate on getting good grades on their exams, because they had a better chance at career advancement by doing great on written tests than getting kids through elementary school.

So imagine a society utterly focused on passing exams because power is now correlated to a grade on an exam, isn't that a compelling idea?

>>1579574
Well there is indeed more to teaching than information. It's a profession that has a performance based element that can't be captured on a written test. The same isn't entirely true for voting, I suppose an exam trying to remain objective has no way of judging whether or not you have good judgement. But at the very least it would filter out people who have no idea of governance or the ideals that the nation stands for.

Now the debate over whoever got to create these tests probably would result in all out civil war but hey, maybe in a smaller entity like a city-state with a test agreed upon during the formation of the constitution it would work, maybe. I don't know I'm just some guy.

>>1579608
Or, you know, just make high school education compulsory.
Just saying.

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>>1579212
>Turn down every opportunity to rise to power he has
>goes full >muh democracy & ideals
>actual alpha Kaiser fuck his """"democracy's"""""" shit up and rules the universe better than democracy

Democracy is a meme, enlighted autocracy is the best

>>1579613
As long as you aren't guaranteed to pass.

>>1579212
Problem is that West is barely holding on to and may have already lost democracy.

The US is a corporate ran oligarchy with two artificial parties with damn near identical elite where people's votes don't even directly count towards the election of the president while Europe is "enlightened" despotism sort of affair with overly self important bunch of cunts waxing poetic about need to remove borders and combine the human race while living in their gates communities and mansions while the average person is left on the street to be raped by Muslims.

Neither can really be called democracy. If the only party that's willing to even question immigration in Sweden is openly and constantly called nazi and racist and is intentionally excluded from the government by the other parties, then how the fuck is that democracy? And in the US the fucking Republicans were going to embrace immigration and multiculturism after the 2012 elections, what's even the fucking point of being the opposition party if you're not even pretending to be different to the other party then?

>>1579280
Islam is barbaric Arabic cancer.

>>1579664
Actually it's barbaric Semitic cancer.

Depends on your metric for goodness.

>>1579258
Reminder that your god doesn't exist and even if he does he's full of shit and has no authority over our affairs.

>>1579290
>Implying he wasn't a Buddhist and all you dipshits didn't completely miss the point

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>>1579289
>>endless war
>>rape
>not /pol/

>>1579908
>non-european
>polygamy
>pedophilia
>rape

>>1579257
>t. his majesty the lord inbred floppywhotsit von habsburg-bourbon XXVI

It's amazing that people still unironically believe this.

>>1579920
>>polygamy
>>pedophilia
>implying most of /pol/ would turn down multiple wives or underage girls

>>1579920
Pedophilia is thing everywhere though and so is rape.

>>1579959
Considering how much /pol/ loves to rail against degeneracy and sex, yes, yes they would.

>>1579964
So is murder doesn't mean we have to like it or accept it.

>>1579268
This is fucking retarded.
How is "the weight of evidence" determined?
Who determines it?
If it is one person, that's a monarchy.
If it is a counsel, that's an oligarchy.
If its everyone, that's democracy.

>>1579212
Democracy is a perfect system in theory.
The devil is in the details.

>>1579991
Computer evaluate it, duh.

>>1580001
Who writes the program?
Who feeds it information?

>>1580000
>perfect system in theory.
No. Monarchy is the perfect system in theory. Democracy is only better than tyranny in theory and practice.

>>1580022
Educated professionals.

>>1580000
>_________ is a perfect system in theory.
You can say that about a lot of things.
Also, checked.

>>1579976
Only when its gay sex, tbqh. It sounds like you've never gone there

>>1579619
The thing with autocracy is that most of people relate it with muh nazees or sharia countries

>>1579619
>pic
that guy is a retard

>>1580000
No monarchy/dictatorship is the perfect system in theory. If you could guarantee genius, selfless, hard working, empathic, energetic, skilled ruled with unlimited power the society would always be a paradise.

Democracy is the system that's about as equally bad in theory and in practice but with smaller range from worst case to best case than the systems with one or few guys at the top with all the power.

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>>1579212

>>1579298
>Planters

?

>>1579212
There aren't very many true democracies. Most law is filtered through elected representatives who are career politicians. Most countries don't pass every law through referendum.

>>1579268
You could say the same thing about rule by a military junta. After all, they rose to the top through hard work, and you can't get into a senior military position today without a good chunk of academic credentials. We should all run our governments by the military, it totally won't be a failure like every other time it's been tried!

>>1579320
>/pol/ isn't obsessed with ancient Greece and Rome
>/pol/ isn't obsessed on treating women as subhumans
>/pol/ isn't obsessed on waiting for a "race war"
Your super special unique not-like-all-others /pol/ really doesn't sound like our /pol/, tbqh.

>>1579289
but christians do the same thing... except the acid

>>1579976
but you dont say christians support pedophilia when it had probably the biggest case of it through the church

>>1580041
so we buy off those professionals and profit dope

>>1581942
atheists do all of that, plus partake in mass murder from time to time tbqh

>>1580142
Plantation owners like Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe

>>1579268
>weight of evidence
This same man would throw a fit if I so much as hinted to him that there is evidence that race is biological

>>1579619

Except autocracy is never enlightened because to maintain power one has to do many unenlightened things, like crush dissent that has nowhere to vent itself since the citizenry is excluded from the government

Democracy is basically one of the better things that are. Everyone gets to be his or hers own fuhrer.
Don't say this is not better. Or how?

>>1580041
Welcome to Professor Aristocracy.

>>1579574
>So imagine a society utterly focused on passing exams because power is now correlated to a grade on an exam, isn't that a compelling idea?
It sorta is. But if there exists a society outside of the Exams and Grades, its basically pointless.
I.E Uni/High Scool grades or Trade School Grades versus Nepotism or experience in field.
Modern society looks like a exam society, until you pass school, get a Trade Degree, and do real work. Then you realize its a turbo capitalist society where Certification isn't useful in any way.

I am not being typically left here
What we really want, what we really need is an end to differences in income, education level, car brands: design thy own.
It will work much better and other places in the world might like to follow, which will even increase the success.
*Follow: implying their original honor would not be saved.....

>>1579874
This

And all really have the same feelings about the sexual preferences. Which is making us mentally ill in a way. Because it is not known. So: democracy so that it does not get worse.

In the end we'd probably like to have some sort of right-left. Just to rule out confusions or blockage of other good things.

>>1579659
at least iceland looks to be doing something positive. The pirate party'll likely be their biggest party following the next election, and they promise to introduce direct democracy and loosen copyright laws.

In Ireland we have a body composed of citizens meant to be representative of the population which recommends changes to the constitution. One of then was to implement citizen-initiated laws which would be passed by referendum, which had overwhelming support from the recommending body, but was ignored by our prime minister when discussing the report. We had a referendum of lowering the minimum age of presidential candidates instead

>>1579242
Anyone who is paid by government can't be allowed to vote

>>1584726
What do you do

>>1584580
That constitutional convention was a sham. Full of ex-Labour candidates for elections. A man and his wife "randomly selected". Thing was a farce from day one and basically designed to get a gay marriage referendum. Labour's pet project

>>1581986
It's not like he would argue that his skin color or other markers of recent African heritage aren't genetic. It's just that races relate to phenotype first, genotypes second - you decide on your categories based on looks, then work your way up to back those categories with references to uneven distributions of specific genes across populations.

>>1579253
>single people cant vote
Why shouldnt smart people be allowed to vote? Have relationships sure, but only a dumbass would get married with u.s. marriage laws.

>>1585255
>Why shouldnt smart people be allowed to vote?

Because "smart people" tend to be spectacularly prone to supporting dumb ideas.

Some examples:
>Stalinism
>Eugenics
>Freudianism

What you see in the West isn't democracy anymore. It's oligarchy masquerading as a republic.

Elections in the US work like the Iranian system. The people are given a vote, but only those preselected by the ruling class are eligible to win.

>>1585275
Time to vote for these independent list kind of persons.

>>1582060
No
More income is an incentive to work better
if someone steals your money anyway then you can get by with the bare minimum of work
A good economy needs capitalism and a low crime rate

>>1585275
All governments are oligarchies you fucking moron. True autocracy and democracy are impossible on a large scale.

>>1585264
I know plenty of dumb people who support eugenics.

>>1579212
no, monarchy was superior

>>1585372
A society that respects the rule of law and allows for free and fair elections isn't some child's pipe dream, and calling anything less than pure, ancient Athenian democracy an "oligarchy" is being deliberately obtuse and intellectually dishonest.

>>1579445
>meritocratic
Only if you have read Micheal Young's "The Rise of Meritocracy" to be aware of the pitfalls of said meritocracy

>>1585379
Yeah, heard the Spanish loved Charles II

Democracy is the end result of the crisis of every preceding form of government. It's the closest to anarchy you can get without ditching government altogether.

>>1586938
>Elected aristocracy
>Peoples rule
Pick one

>>1579212
I am an SJW
All humans have rights
Unless you are White
Or you are men

>>1579263
>>1579266

Inshallah

>>1579526
>that's not true, they just tinkered to where a majority of blacks would be below the threshold.

That is NOT what the situation was. Nobody could """pass""" the tests unless they wanted you to. Read this.

http://www.openculture.com/2014/07/literacy-test-louisiana-used-to-suppress-the-black-vote.html

>>1579242
But the government also creates jobs over laws without paying the employees directly.

>>1579268
>weight of evidence
Welcome to the right-wing science man!

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>>1579306

>>1579268

............someone tell me this is trolling

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