>After Jesse Owens won the 100m sprint at the Berlin Olympics,

>>1565597
In the context of things, FDR was probably the bigger racist at the time.

Also the mass internment and deliberate targeting of ethnic Japanese specifically, not so much Germans and Italians (i.e. other whites) though.

>>1565597
>And I'm supposed to believe Hitler was the racist?
Hitler didn't like blacks but he also didn't give a fuck about them. In 1930s Europe there were no blacks so they just weren't a pressing concern or a potential scapegoat a la Jews. On the other hand Slavs were right there and had been right there for the past then 1500 years so they were the primary target.

On the foreign diplomacy area Hitler did plan on eventually realizing the Mittelafrika dream and also very openly supported Apartheid regimes in South Africa and Rhodesia.

>>1565608
Many germans and italians got targeted, what the fuck are you talking about.

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>>1565612
>jews were a scapegoat

If there was no legitimate reason to fear jews, why were all the leaders of the Bolshevik attempt to seize control of germany jewish?

>>1565643
The difference is that they specifically targeted German and Italian nationals, meanwhile they targeted Japanese based on race alone.

>>1565652
Because Communism is Jewish invention to keep the white people down. Or something, my point is that the average German didn't know or give a fuck what race were the leaders of the Bolsheviks the Jews were just a convenient socially approved scape goat and frustration focus point for the Germans.

>>1565658
>the average German didn't know or give a fuck what race were the leaders of the Bolsheviks

Uhh, they definitely knew. Why do you think Hitler was so popular. Germans hated communism and jews, and jews were behind both. It was the perfect shitstorm.

>>1565654
also there a shitton more german and italian americans so that probably made made a difference as well

>>1565597
Hitler was only racist against gypsies and jews and such. He was all buddy buddy with asians and arabs. Nazi = hates all nonwhites is a meme. Doesnt really help that neonazis are too stupid to understand their own idol

>>1565652
>communist jews overthrew russia
>communist jews overthrew south america
>communist jews overthrew china and korea
>communist jews got BTFO by the germans

Maybe the hitler meme about germans being the master race was correct

it doesn't really matter anyway when that country is going to look like brazil in 50 years tho

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>>1565652
>If there was no legitimate reason to fear jews, why were all the leaders of the Bolshevik attempt to seize control of germany jewish?

So, let me get this straight. Communist attempt to revolt against the Weimar government: Very Bad Thing that totally legitimized Jewish hate. The Freikorps and Hitler's own attempts to revolt against the Weimar government: Heroic German heroes that should have been immortalized.

Do I have that right?

>>1565652
>country that lost 4 years long war during which 3 years were market by gigantic food and material shortages for civilian populations experiences revolution
>killalljewsitstheirfault

On an interesting note, Russian-living jews openly collaborated with German and A-H armies, proportionally to the population German Jews were more likely to serve in the army than ethnic Germans and Bolsheviks were funded by Kaiser.

>>1565684
the weimar government was pretty much nothing but jews

I think it was something like greater than 65% of the german parliament at the time was jewish. while this was going on germany was an absolute shithole with insane inflation.

notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?

that's not a democracy, that's jewish rule over a mob of germans. jews statistically should not have made up more than 2% of the parliment

>>1565684
No.

Communists attempted to revolt against monarchial Germany at a time of war when Germany was in a huge war against France and Britain, causing Germany to have to sign a humiliating peace treaty and lose half its territory.

Hitler attempted to revolt against a decadent puppet government of corrupt beaureaucrats that was kowtowing to a surrender treaty that bankrupted and destroyed germany.

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>>1565693
The Bavarian Free State ALSO rebelled against Weimar you fucking simpleton. Was Weimar a decadent leftist government controlled by the Jews or was that the Communists? You can't have it both ways.

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>>1565680
>>communist jews got BTFO by the germans

uh anon, I have some bad news...

>>1565707
I think you are getting things confused, anon

>>1565701
Even in your little wikipedia screencap you can see Weimar was the government that opposed the Communists for the longest.

And if you think the Communists are what caused Germany to lose the war, you're out of your mind. Germany and her military was literally starving to death.

>>1565710
They wouldn't have lost the war without jew puppet roosevelt going into the war

If it was just purely germany vs USSR, germany would have won. the final battle was supposed to be national socialism vs communism, but because (((they))) had their way it was national soclaism vs communism and american democracy

>>1565597
>if you do nice things to one man you're not a racist

>>1565597
> he received a congratulatory phone call from Hitler.
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>>1565597
>Hitler supported liberation of Irish, Indian, African, Asian people from white European colonialism.
Of course he did...do you srsly still not understand what both world wars were about?

They were about attempting to topple the status quo which was the British Empire. Naturally anything that aided that was welcome.

>>1565701
>causing Germany to have to sign a humiliating peace treaty and lose half its territory.
Just like the treaty Prussia herself forced on France in 1871. And the one Germany forced on Lenin at Brest-Litvosk. Germany was perfectly happy with humiliating peaces when they were the ones dictating the terms.

>>1565737
They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever. Germany only finished paying ww1 reparations in the last decade. Once you finish a war, finish it, take the land and end it. Don't make the other side have to pay you money forever, that just makes the war go on forever.

>>1565693
>notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?
Actually he got a freemason to make an economic bubble for him.

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>>1565688
It's actually kind of funny. Admiral Horthy made mention in his memoirs that the people leading the Hungarian Communist Revolution were mostly Jews, but he also made immediate note that the people who opposed them the most were also Jews.

>>1565753
Let talk about how many german debt were erased by the ally power, and how Weimar never truly pay it. And let finish by how French pay it without destroying all of Europe for "muh french race".
Here a Wikipedia link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations
And a book:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/4545835?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>>1565753
>They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever.
No, because France worked itself to the bone to pay them back way ahead of schedule. The amount of reparations Prussia forced France to pay in 1871 was a greater percentage of their GDP than the amount dictated at Versailles.

>>1565753
>They didn't make them pay "reparations" forever
They made. Except Russia didn't pay because of civil war and France paid it back ahead of schedule.

Germans didn't pay their WW1 reparations because they didn't want to pay. Weimar Republic's economy was one of the fastest growing economies of the 20's yet they whined on international arena how they are unable to pay their reparations so they've got erased.

>>1565753
>Germany only finished paying ww1 reparations in the last decade.
Not reparations. Debt repayments. Reparations were effectively cancelled even before Hitler took over. And it only took them "this long" because they were not paying for a long time. In fact, even the reparations themselves were entirely payable - had Germany not actively tried weaseling their way out of them initially, including sabotaging their own economy.

>>1565680
>communist jews overthrew china and korea

wut

>>1565787
communism was a jewish created ideology

>>1565790
desu. national socialism was created by a guy who was once Marx's friend.

Then Marx fucked his wife.

>>1565792
[citation needed]
Also if it's true, Facist and /pol/ are truly the cuck of mankind.

>>1565792
>Germans created a branch of fascism even before proto-fascism existed
WE

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>>1565808
>all fascism is national socialism

>>1565718

>When you loose, blame the jews

Stay mad, stormfag

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>>1565718
>If it was just purely germany vs USSR, germany would have won.
Like they did at Stalingrad and Kursk?

>>1565718
No, germany did as well as the possibly could have against the USSR

>>1565814
Well no there is also the shit kind.

>>1565597
Hitler wasn't a racist, he targeted groups directly responsible for the downfall of Germany in WWI. He didn't believe in targeting random groups or German racial superiority.

>>1565821
>germany on its own
>ussr has 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to it by america

uh huh thanks for proving him right

>>1565597

Uneducated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destined_to_Witness

>>1565597

Deniers at finest here. All non whites, christians, jews was thrown in the oven, idiots. Hitler was with ALL europeans the biggest racists.

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>>1565693
>haha Hitler was such a good economist, that's why he bankrupted Germany twice and real wages grew 33% while inflation grew 300% despite forced fixed prices on goods
>also haha fixed prices totally a sign of a healthy economy

I want this meme that the Nazis were good economists to die already. They didn't do shit to help the economy actually recover, they created an economic bubble that overheated the economy, then forced that on the side burner by going balls deep into a war economy which further strangled the private sector but at least kept it from collapsing by subsidizing it with reckless unaccountable military spending with money that didn't exist.

>>1565679
They believed Arabs and most Asians were Aryan. He even hoped Native Americans would rebel against the Americans as he though they were Aryan.

>>1565597
FDR in regards to blacks was the bigger racist yes, the US was in that regard more racist then Germany in general. It was also a different kind of racism, while Hitler believed in the superiority of some races and inferiority of other, the racism in American was/is more blind hatred. This was not true when it came to Jews of course, but still the difference should be noted. Hitler wasn't anti imperialist though, he was anti French and eventually anti British which is why he advocated against European imperialism, Japanese imperialism was something he never spoke out against. Germany at some point even tried to regain its colonies diplomatically, but this ended in nothing.

>>1565597
How do bluepillfags justify if we can trust the history we are taught when the (((establishment))) has been caught lying so many times, like the "race against racism" propaganda which Owens himself confirmed was nonsense?

>thread about x is derailed by /pol/ to be about MUH JEWS

You people are so goddamn tiresome. Yes the jews are the reason why you suck at life while others are succesful. We get it. Can you stfu about it now?

t. shekels greenbergstein

>>1566536
People from /pol/ are annoying not because of their opinions but because they are clearly uneducated.

>>1565693
I can't even say if this guy is serious or not.

>>1565597
Hitler was a racist (see Rhineland Bastards), it's just that Americans were always extremely rude.

>>1565597
I was with you until >muh colonialism is evil

>>1566645
>colonialism is good

>>1566393
>>ussr has 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to it by america
Why do you lie on the internet?

>>1566691
0/10

>>1566696
Alright it wasn't intially "given" but the Americans wrote off the debt owed by the USSR after the war when the Ruskies refused to pay up

>>1566393
Yes, the USSR had 90% of its trucks, trains, aeroplane fuel, food, and steel given to them by the US in 1942. This is the REAL reason Army Group South was totally destroyed at Stalingrad. This is also the reason the blitzkrieg was halted for good at Kursk.

>>1566726
You still haven't explained why do you lie on the internet. Not only in the "given" part but also in the "90%" part.

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>>1565597
Hitler also ended human zoos.

I mean, he wasn't such a bad guy. After all, he was just a failed liberal arts student.

>>1566769
because stormfags want it to look like USSR victory was simply a product of Soviet numbers and Western equipment
totally ignoring German soldiers (not butthurt generals) who respected Soviets a lot and found them superior opponents to Western allies
and totally ignoring that USSR minus occupied part was literally weaker than Axis Europe, and that there was no real challenge to Germans before 1944 in Western Europe
historically illiterate Wehraboo kids
ignore them

>>1565778
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_reparations

Two things: 1, the "historians" cited in opposition to Keyne's view of the reparations are not economists, this is amply demonstrated by their attempt to prove that Germany could pay by looking at its production figures. As any economist knows, the economy is not simply the total tonnage of production. It is very much the perceptions of the public, their animal spirits, their morale, their hopes for the present and future. That is why the federal reserve spends a huge amount of effort crafting the correct messages to send to the public, it is almost as important as the actual rates they set, if not more important.

They go on to say "The tonnage estimates prove that it was not an economic reason for Germany not to pay, but rather due to Germany's unwillingness to pay."

What a ridiculous statement. Take for example if the auto industry collapsed because no one was buying cars, because for whatever reason, they were unwilling to pay for them. You could not say that their unwillingness to pay is not an economic phenomenon, because willingness to pay is at the basis of all economic transactions. This is not a moral issue! Proof by contradiction. Q.E.D.

>how French pay it without destroying all of Europe

https://www.clausewitz.com/readings/Jacobsen-TheWarOfTheCommune14.htm

Let us set aside the fact that knowledge of economic theory was infantile in 1871 compared to 1921. Let us set aside that the goals of both wars were completely different in scale and intent.

You understandably have not read much on the Franco-Prussian war or its aftermath. The French public revolted against its government, and was ruthlessly suppressed in a violent massacre. In order to appease your enemy you must sometimes murder tens of thousands of your countrymen. You are going to say France was right? You are going to condemn Germany for not doing the same?

>>1566840
Not to mention he killed the most evil person of all time (Hitler)
He was a pretty good guy after all

>>1565664
Not a single Japanese person in America was ever discovered committing acts against the USA. Meanwhile many Germans and Italians in America were caught.

Japanese Americans were sent to Europe to be used as shock troopers in some of the bloodiest battles. In segregated units commanded by whites.

Germans and Italians were not singled out during military service, unless they could serve as a translator.

>>1566921
>Japanese Americans were sent to Europe to be used as shock troopers in some of the bloodiest battles.

The 44nd was a well respected unit but lets not get carried away with bullshit. Other units, such as those on the Western front in particular, fought in more difficult situations, were on the attack far more often, dealt with tougher opposition, and suffered far heavier casualties.

>>1566921
>Not a single Japanese person in America was ever discovered committing acts against the USA.
Demonstrably false.

>>1567576
Technically true. The basis for the internment was a case of two Japanese-Americans helping a pilot from...Hiryu, I think, at a remote island off Hawaii. No Japanese person on the mainland did anything like that.

>>1566898
>Let us set aside the fact that knowledge of economic theory was infantile in 1871 compared to 1921.
You could say the same thing about economic theory in 1921 compared to now. Germany in 1921 was much more developed and had more economic options than France in 1871. I'm extremely skeptical of the meme that reparations would reduce Germany to mass poverty.

>>1567270
Name all those units that suffered higher casualties, because the 442nd was pretty high up there.

>>1567696

It had been set aside. Do you care to actually refute the logic set forth? Your opinion is noted.

>>1567702
Just off the top of my head i'll give this. Give me some time and if this thread stays up i'll give cases where regiments had entire battalions virtually wiped out in single battles i have to sort through my source material. The 112 Infantry in the Hurtgen Forest. As a matter of fact the Hurtgen Forest battle was such a meatgrinder that it's two GI nicknames were "The Green Hell" and " The Death Factory.

The 141st was virtually wiped out trying to cross the Rapido (Yes i know, Italy)

>>1570588
Should have read...The 112 Infantry for example.

Just a tidbit...

"The 28th's lieutenants kept leading. By November 13, all the officers in the rifle companies had been killed or wounded. Overall in the Hurtgen, the 28th suffered 6,184 combat casualties, plus 738 cases of trench foot and 620 battle fatigue cases. Those figures meant that virtually every front-line soldier was a casualty. The 28th Division had essentially been wiped out."

"Between November 7 and December 3, the 4th Division lost over 7000 men, or about ten per company per day. "Replacements flowed in to compensate for the losses but the Hurtgen's voracious appetite for casualties was greater than the army's ability to provide new troops." Lieutenant Wilson recorded his company's losses at 167 percent for enlisted men. "We had started with a full company of about 162 men and had lost about 287." Sgt. Mack Morris was there with the 4th and reported: "Hurtgen had its fire-breaks, only wide enough to allow two jeeps to pass, and they were mined and interdicted by machine-gun fire. There was a mine every eight paces for three miles. Hurtgen's roads were blocked. The Germans cut roadblocks from trees. They cut them down so they interlocked as they fell. Then they mined and booby trapped them. Finally they registered their artillery on them, and the mortars, and at the sound of men clearing them, they opened fire."

>>1565718
It was Hitler who declared war on the USA

>>1567270

>The 44nd was a well respected unit but lets not get carried away with bullshit.

No they weren't they were treated with disdain and contempt by the rest of the Army. It wasn't until long after the war with revisionist propaganda that painted them in a more positive light to try and promote the whole bullshit idea of the "melting pot"

The 442nd was one of numerous tragic and dark stains on Asian-American history. They set out to prove to the US that they too were Americans but they didn't achieve a fucking thing except get themselves killed for a country that forever treated them like second-class citizens.

>>1570736
But it literally was. Hitler declared war on the US after Japan did. He'd have preferred not being at war with the US much like he'd have preferred being on good terms with the Brits, bur had to come to terms with who were and were not his allies.

>>1570756
Why the hell did he declare war on the US?

pride?
treaty he signed with the japs?
was he a moron?

>>1570743
What? I was taught about the 442nd in contrast with internment camps, and how Japanese people fought and died for America even when they were hated and mistreated. I mean, yes, they were used for the melting pot agenda, but it was pretty clear they got shafted hard in WWII. The narrative was the same as internment camps. It was not a good thing, it was an awful thing, fucked up and things need fixing.

>>1570760
all 3

>>1570760
His ally had just bombed and declared war on the US, who were already sending a fuck load of supplies and gear to his enemies who would likely have broken without, and his navy was already fighting them in the Atlantic. They practically were at war already, and if he hadn't it was likely just a matter of time anyway. By declaring was he proved to Japan that he was with them and probably looked more like a decisive Leader by declaring war rather than wait for a cripple to do it. But that's all speculation on my part..

>>1570743
>they were treated with disdain and contempt by the rest of the Army

Citations. And make them good ones, not agenda pushers.

>>1570743
>They set out to prove to the US that they too were Americans but they didn't achieve a fucking thing except get themselves killed for a country that forever treated them like second-class citizens.

Let's see. They became glorified in US Military lore and also made the subjects of movies, books, and academic studies.

>>1565814
seeing rainbow dash really get me i never felt sad before i saw her now it relly sets it hw scary that is.

>>1565693
>notice how after hitler kicked the jews out, their economy started to recover?

Yeah, since he took enormous loans to fund gigantic public projects and fight unemployment that way.
Bubbling away the crisis so you can fight it in a couple of decades instead isn't a good move.

>>1566393
The trucks (less than 90%) came later, the american aid was used to conquer Germany, not to defend Russia.
Russia defended itself, while still having to keep a big army near Japan mind you.

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>>1570884
Eh, according to Russians the aid was pretty necessary in its defense too.
I don't think people realize just how much material and materiel had arrived by 1943. Everyone loves to say oh but most of it arrived after 1943! Yeah but you're talking literally billions of dollars worth of stuff going over. A small percentage of a billion is still in the millions.

>>1565679
>>1566431
desu I don't think they actually believed that rather than claiming to for the sake of political convenience. They were pro china before they were pro japan. It was really about which country could potentially bring them the most advantage in the future.

>>1565717
>Germany and her military was literally starving to death.
Not since August. They were to busy getting blown the fuck up to starve anymore.

>>1571469
So what? Because it's a big fucking number, that means it's always essential? Fucking Mongolia produced big numbers of stuff during the war.

>>1571579
Well, yes. According to Russians both now and at the time, and looking at the numbers themselves, the good sent appeared to be quite crucial. Especially in regards to food shipments.
Russia lost its main food producing areas early in the war. They faced issues keeping their population fed pretty much from year 1, they faced much less issue keeping their soldiers fed because of the masses of spam sent over by the US. Really, without the US Lend Lease Russia would have faced starvation in many areas, and according to Russian commanders in the war, would have been unable to actually feed its troops. Even with all the food sent Russia was still having serious issues keeping everyone fed by the time the war ended. In many areas villages and towns were going hungry. Russia employed so many of its peoples making tanks and planes it hardly had anyone left growing crops in comparison, and had even less usable crop land anyways for much of the war.

Lend Lease was a deciding factor not because of the war materiel, but because the food and clothing and telephone lines and metal shipments allowed the Soviets to not worry as much about making all the stuff you need to wage a war in the backlines, and just worry about making tanks and planes and rifles and keeping factories going at full production. I think Lend Lease was 100% necessary in Russia winning the war, and this is because of all the Russian accounts about it I've read.

>>1571658
I take it you consider the people you are quoting to be stating facts at the time, since you take their quotes as facts.
Should I look up some of their other quotes, and assume you will equally treat them as facts?

Or are "the russians" only speaking truth when it suits you?

>>1571680
If you can find those people saying "yeah we didn't need Lend Lease" then sure. I've read both sides. The sides that tend to say LL did nothing lean on the "Literal Communist Propaganda" side of things, while the LL was necessary camp tend to be generals like Zhukov who had little love for Communist quackery. And even Stalin himself until after the war ended and he tried to paint a narrative of the Soviet Union defeating Germany entirely by itself. I see his pro claims as likely a bit of flattery to ensure the goods keep flowing in, but I find his anti LL speeches to be quite clearly propaganda aimed at discrediting the West.

>>1571768
You find statements agreeing with you to be factual, but statements from the same people that disagree with you to be propaganda lies?

>>1571768
>If you can find those people saying "yeah we didn't need Lend Lease" then sure. I've read both sides.
The problem is, people who fought the war tend to vastly overestimate the Germans. Which is reasonable when you lose 20 million people. Or even just see your own cities bombed. It's with the benefit of hindsight and digging through all sides archives that we realize yeah, Lend Lease wasn't that important. The Soviets were not going to lose the war as soon as they decided to keep fighting the Germans (and German policy ensured they would).

>>1571777
I find propaganda to be propaganda, as the anti Lend Lease statements contain few facts, much hyperbole, misinformation, and literal propaganda about how great the USSR is and how it's invicible armies will protect it from the capitalist dogs of the West, who did basically nothing in the Great Patriotic War, that was all us, they didn't do anything. The direct attempts to silence all references to lend lease, the censorship, the sealing of records we did not get to see until just 20 years ago, the works. I do not think all sources that say Lend Lease was unnecessary are propaganda. I think the propaganda, which makes up the vast majority of anti LL citations I've read, are propaganda.

>>1571794
Well no, in hindsight, more and more people, especially Russians, are beginning to think Lend Lease was vitally important. For a long time there, especially directly after the war, very few people believed Lend Lease had played a vital, or even significant role. Over the last couple decades this trend has reversed as the previously hidden away records have revealed just how much of LL were goods and materials the Russians either did not, or could not produce. Such as high octane aircraft fuel, of which 100% was from the US. Or how 25% of the medium and heavy armor at the Battle of Moscow were British tanks, and how they were used and lost at the same rate as Russian tanks. For a long time people believed Moscow was saved solely by Russians, when in fact British Lend Lease played a notable part in it.
Of course if you ask me they would have won without those British tanks, not particularly by their own merit but simply by how badly the German's position had become. Overextended, under supplied, outnumbered and freezing, I could go on.

And don't misconstrue what I'm saying here. I do not think the US was the primary force by which Germany was defeated.

>>1571830
At the end of the day all the tanks and trucks and processed animal meat in the world can't do anything without men to make use of them. The Russians saved Russia by their blood, their sweat, and their lives. Lend Lease was in my opinion, completely instrumental in them doing so, but it was inanimate objects when you get right down to it. As much as leftists want to claim guns kill on their own, they don't. Russians had to take these weapons and use them. Russians had to take the aluminum and nickel and craft it into a T-34. Russians had to crew these trains and trucks and distribute the fuel and food. Russians won the East, Lend Lease was just one of many tools they were given to do so.

>>1570804
That doesn't contradicts the fact that they could be treated like shit during the war. They could be glorified after as "compensation" like the anon you're replying to said.
Just talking about your argumentation, i don't know about the actual facts.

>>1570794

>Sent on suicide missions
>Sent to areas with the most intense fighting
>Not allowed in commons unlike other soldiers

What next you want me to explain why the world is round?

>>1570804

What part of "revisionist propaganda" went over your head? Even when the 442nd is talked about they're only mentioned in passing.

>>1572065
>Sent on suicide missions
>>Sent to areas with the most intense fighting

A typical fighting on the Siegfried line.

>>1572065
Citations needed.

>>1572573
Should read, "A Typical day"

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>>1566645
I wonder who could possibly be behind this post?

FDR had to walk on eggshells with race relations because he needed Southern Democrats on his side to ram the New Deal through Congress. He wasn't racially progressive by any standard, but his hands were tied by the regionalism of political parties prior to the 1960s.

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>>1565597

Hitler lost the war, and history is written by the victors. If Germany had won the war, all the movies and video games about WW2 would be flipped.

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>>1565597

Hitler even arranged fun filled summer camps for Jews to enjoy so that they could run around and play in the sun and get some good exercise and yet westerners will STILL claim he was some sort of """racist""". It's pretty despicable desu, he was a kind, sweet man who's had his legacy dragged through the mud because FDR and Stalin and co. were upset at how popular he was. Their bullying even drove him to suicide.

Imagine what the flower of Germany could have done if he had just powered through the dark times and pushed into the light? Unfortunately, the world will never know now... more's the pity.

>>1566393
nice source

>>1566420
dude hitler and his movement were christian

>>1573680
Someone should put George Sorel's face on that pic.

>>1566898
>In order to appease your enemy you must sometimes murder tens of thousands of your countrymen.
I'm sorry, wait, are we saying Hitler wasn't that bad because the ALTERNATIVE was suppressing communism?

>>1571830
>For a long time people believed Moscow was saved solely by Russians, when in fact British Lend Lease played a notable part in it.
>Of course if you ask me they would have won without those British tanks, not particularly by their own merit but simply by how badly the German's position had become. Overextended, under supplied, outnumbered and freezing, I could go on.

No, do the opposite. If lend lease is so vital, explain how the Germans are going to take Moscow, nevermind defend against the counteroffensive, without lend lease arriving.

>>1574572
lel

>>1574592
Well the Russians were quite out of steam by Christmas as well. The counteroffensive was made possible by the arrival of fresh, well trained and well equipped winter troops from Siberia, who took severe casualties in the counteroffensive. They lost a lot of men and materiel and needed significant reinforcement afterwards to make them truly combat capable again.

In 1942, the Germans still had the initiative even after the setbacks at Moscow. Without British LL the overall outcome is probably still largely the same, but the longer you go into the war the more crucial LL becomes. Russias food situation deteriorates the longer the war goes on, Russia's production takes a significant hit, their logistics take a massive hit, the VVS is reduced in strength by 20% and lacks any and all high octane fuel, metal quality drops severely without metal alloys sent by the Americans and British, the Russians would have faced a distinct lack of boots without Lend Lease, and coupled with a massive loss in trucks which would mean many more men walking, this further exacerbates the boot problem Russia would face. Men can only march so long as their feet are capable of marching. You NEED boots to have infantry, they are as vital as a rifle and ammunition to an infantryman.

Without LL Russia would have difficulties sustaining offensives, counterattacks, resupplying and reorganizing armies, feeding troops, ferrying defenders to Stalingrad, supplying troops at Stalingrad, moving enough supplied men to Stalingrad to encircle and destroy the 6th Army, the massive preparations and in depth defenses at Kursk were made possible by the great amount of mobility the Soviets had gained due in no small part to LL truck and fuel shipments. The defense at Kursk would have simply been impossible for the Soviets to have achieved in 42, let alone 41.
And of course after Kursk, assuming the Russians somehow faced the same level of success without outside aid-

>>1575525
-the Russians would have experienced a great deal of difficulty in sustaining a hundred mile long push as they did historically, and if they could manage that, it certainly would not have been at the same pace, or seen the same level of success as they did historically. And by 43' the food problem would have been quite severe without spam shipments. There would have without a doubt been villages going hungry, starvation, and shortness of food among even the Russian military. Along with the whole people dying or getting sick from malnutrition, this would have killed morale.

WW2 was messy enough and difficult enough for the Soviets with Lend Lease. Take it away and things become a whole lot harder. If the Russians were facing hunger issues even with hundreds of tons of food, imagine how bad it would have been without said hundreds of tons of food.

>>1566694
Yep, how dare the colonialists invade barren wastelands and leave them with modern infrastructure.

>>1574584

We are talking about the Weimar republic in the 1920s. You can at least read the fucking thread.

>>1565597
But Hitler was also a colonoalist. Otherwise why did he invaded other countries?
There's isn't a single moral reason to justify those invasions besdies "muh i want more land"

>>1575581

>draws arbitrary borders, mashing different ethnicities together
>play one ethnicity against each other, causing tensions, violence and mistrust in these newly formed borders
>plunder and exploit resources, giving the benefits to the home countries and to certain members of society
>bar natives out of higher forms of education, mechanisms of government and entrepreneurial positions
>leave abruptly, taking funding away from public works
>leave taking skilled and capable administrators
> leave leaving corrupt officials in positions of power
>leave having created tensions within the borders your drew up and leaving a whole lotta guns around

yeah, thanks for the hospitals; we're gonna need them.

>>1565597
honorary aryan

>>1575581
If they wanted those "modern infrastructure" they would've gladly accepted.
Why did Incas and native americans fought against colonialists then? Why did Tokugawa banned foreigners from Japan? which lasted 250 years and every foreigner that was caught in Japan was immediately killed.

>>1570760
i read that he was on various drugs.

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Don't you worry your pretty little head Schneckchen. While you and your little friends are getting viciously gang raped, I'll be deep in my bunker getting married! And about you wondering if we'll hear your screams or terror? That is so grown up to think of Uncle Dolphie's feelings.

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>>1566420

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>attemped a coup d'etat
>went to prison
>night of the long knives
>burned the reichstag
>killed hindenburg
>breaks countless international agreements
>makes schools teach nothing but how to be a good soldier

>people still defend hitler

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>>1576709

you forget

>was directly responsible for the gang rapes of tens of thousands of Nazi girls by the invading armies

>>1565597
>ugh, I can't tell if you're serious or not. How can people believe something else, how can they support a man who put nation and identity above all?
>wait, you weren't kidding? Oh my God, I can't believe you. Ugh, this is ridiculous.
It writes itself. Truly the media is in the hands of the perpetrators. That this is that daft to even entertain says something.

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>>1576702

Oh not to worry, Spatzi. I'm sure some of the invading soldiers will gang rape boys, too. So don't be jealous of your little sisters.

>>1576651
This is true mainly for Africa. And the main problem with Africa is that they never developed any real civilization, so yes, all of the states there are artificial. What you wrote is not true for asian states that were colonized.

Africa at that time was a huge barely populated land. European colonialism managed to, at least, reduce the illness thanks to vaccination campaign. And it's not true that the natives were always excluded from higher form of education. Blaise Diagne was a native from Senegal and became part of the french government.

>>1576679
Because they're blood thirsty savages who had to be dragged kicking and screaming into modernity.

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who was in the wrong here?

>>1576914
having better tech doesn't disqualify you from being a savage

>>1566645
>colonise half the world
>"WAAAAAH IMMIGRANTS"

you guys deserve to be flooded with pakis tbqh senpai.

>>1573680
Get out.

>>1576857

All that is completely bullshit

Yes there were civilizations in Africa and yes the Europeans applied all those policies in Asia.

>European colonialism managed to, at least, reduce the illness thanks to vaccination campaign

That only applies to Europeans, the native Africans developed immunities to tropical diseases that killed the Europeans by the bushels.

>And it's not true that the natives were always excluded from higher form of education.

The only ones given the opportunity for higher education were the class of compradors, native administrators given special privileges by their colonial masters. Ironically enough the children of these compradors that the Europeans were cultivating became radicalized through their education and many of them became involved in the independence movements of their respective regions.

>>1576914

>descendant of dumb savages that destroyed one of the greatest civilizations in world history and plunged Europe into an irrelevant backwater for centuries
>after inventing a fire stick proceed to pillage and destroy the great civilizations of the Old World and New World
>calling anyone a savage

Cuckniggers are worst than steppe niggers.

>>1577831
who the fuck are you talking about

>>1565792
Moses Hess was a zionist-socialist. His idea of race struggle had nothing to do with that of the Nazis. Stop getting your info from /pol/ info-pics.

>Then Marx fucked his wife.

That was Engels

>>1566393
>germany on its own
You mean Germany, Finland, Hungary, Romania (and it's oil), Bulgaria, Italy, Japan being hypothetical second front, trade from Sweden, volunteers from Spain and conquered territories.

If you going to remove all help USSR got, do same for Nazi Germany.

>>1576857
>And the main problem with Africa is that they never developed any real civilization
Define "real" civilization. The funny thing about your arbitrary defintion of "real" civilization is that compared to a civilization 1000 years in the future, we'll be savages closer to primitives than the "real" civilizations of the future, so would your support a space faring alien civilization coming to earth and wiping out humanity under the reasoning that they are a "real" civilization solely because they had the ability to do so?

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>>1576857

>And the main problem with Africa is that they never developed any real civilization

I'm glad hollywood is making efforts to show us the truth about hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3SO2CxNeSI

>>1577797
>Yes there were civilizations in Africa
Which ones ? If you want to talk about civilization it needs to have lasting effects. While they were empires in Africa, none of them developped a civilization. What was left of the Mali empire when the french came ? Nothing really, already destroyed by Morocco long ago. The Europeans fought against small kingdoms and city states. A civilization is organized around one state, it didn't exist in Africa.
>That only applies to Europeans, the native Africans developed immunities to tropical diseases that killed the Europeans by the bushels.
This is one of the stupidest thing I've read on this board. I guess Africa doesn't have problems with smallpox, malaria, cholera thanks to the immunities developed by the natives.
>The only ones given the opportunity for higher education were the class of compradors
So it basically contradicts with what you said earlier. Most of the natives were excluded from education, but not all of them. And not all of them were oppressed either since those natives elite were the allis of the european powers.

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>>1565718
t.16 year old

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>>1580006

>While they were empires in Africa, none of them developped a civilization

>>1580006

So much stupidity in this post. Did you even graduate high school or did you simply drop out like every other retard on 4chan?

>While they were empires in Africa, none of them developped a civilization.

Your opinions are objectively garbage

> I guess Africa doesn't have problems with smallpox, malaria, cholera thanks to the immunities developed by the natives.

Obviously it didn't effect them as much because actually developed societies and civilizations in spite of those diseases.

>So it basically contradicts with what you said earlier.

There's more than one person who's calling you out for being a retard, learn to differentiate.

>And not all of them were oppressed either since those natives elite were the allis of the european powers.

All of them were oppressed, some just learned to leverage their positions better than others. At the end of the day a house nigger is still a nigger as many of the educated native compradors came to realize.

>>1565684

He didn't say whether it was right or wrong, but that fears of Jewish influence were justified because communist Jews attempted to seize power.

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The nazis were good and it's bad that they lost WW2

>>1572065
>Even when the 442nd is talked about they're only mentioned in passing.

All things considered, why should the 442nd be mentioned more prominently than other regiments? I would bet anything that no one here can name the regiment that captured the bridge at Remagen, something that was far more important to the war effort than the 442nd ever did.

>>1565597
>America was racist so Hitler wasn't

>>1566591
Their opinions *are* uneducated. It's not an independent variable.

>>1565597
>>Hitler supported liberation of Irish, Indian, African, Asian people from white European colonialism.
>European colonialism
>not British colonaialism

>>1576709
I feel like there's something else really bad Hitler did that you forgot to mention.

>>1573680
While the fedora and outfit are cringeworthy the guy has a point. As un-PC as it is to say, almost every critical issue in human history has been resolved through violence

>>1574592
>>1575525
>>1575537
>gets BTFO by well reasoned answer
>doesn't even have the decency to respond

>>1580006
>While they were empires in Africa, none of them developped a civilization
Can I get this framed please?