>yfw Catholikek and you realize that Mary is dead and can't

Prayer is actually just self hypnosis, there is no one listening except your own conscious.

lol, she sure was dead at Lourdes.

>>1551123
And Fatima, and Akita, and Guadelupe....

>>1551109
Kierkegaarde pls

>>1551104
Why would the Mother of God, sanctified by the Incarnation, be subject to the corruption of death?

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repent, heretics

>>1551406
Because its impossible for anything to sanctified because nothing holy exists

>>1551436
I take it you're not OP.

>>1551406
because she was human, an heir to sin and the wages of sin are death

>>1551438
Elijah and the Chariot of Fire.

>>1551438
>what is the Immaculate Conception?
>what is "being the New Eve?"

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>orthocuck and you chop your balls off because Jesus said so

>>1551438
wrong, the immaculate conception is biblical

>>1551619
God existed before Mary

Mary was created is finite, is sinful, not the 'Mother of God'

God simply used her to become flesh.

>>1551625

No Mary no Jesus

KNOW MARY KNOW JESUS

>>1551630
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
- Isaiah 42:8

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Don't ever talk to me or my wife's son ever again!

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>>1551104
>yfw religion is for the sheep

>>1551104

> It's a "people role playing as firebrand protestant fanatics claim that catholics worship or pray to Mary or any other saint" episode.

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>>1551183
>akita

you mean doge doesn't hear me when I pray to him?

>>1551420
>literally pulling the population argument over Christianity

"Narrow is the road to heaven"

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>>1551406
>Why would the Mother of God, sanctified by the Incarnation, be subject to the corruption of death?
Does Mary technically qualify as a "waifu"?

>>1551999
That's not an Akita.

>tfw you realize that not only is Jesus dead and unable to hear your prayers, he'd only understand prayers being said in Aramaic and Hebrew, and he also wouldn't answer the prayers of Gentiles if he could anyway

>inb4 an apologist claims that Jesus, an impoverished and illiterate peasant from one of the poorest and most conservative regions of Palestine, may've taken the pains to learn Greek, despite him saying Gentiles are "dogs" not worthy of his time
>inb4 an apologist tries to argue that the time Jesus etched something in the dirt when the Pharisees were trying to stone a prostitute means that Jesus was fully literate

>>1551639
Why do prods get so assblasted about the Catholic veneration of Saints

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>>1551829

>>1552131
Part of YHWH's portfolio is the spell Comprehend Languages, Jesus learned the spell when he leveled up.

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>>1551913
>mfw a catholic actually expects me to believe he's not worshiping the statue he just prostrated himself in front of

Then why was she in the sabbat crusade?

>>1552131
Jesus id divine. Mary was a human and worshiping her is blasphemy.

>>1552164
Because it's blasphemy if you don't believe the church's excuse and retarded if you do.

If (a) Mary isn't in that statue and (b) you aren't actually praying to her, you're just asking her to talk to God for you, then why not just pray to God directly?

Since the statue is only a representation of Mary, then it must be possible to be heard in heaven. But if this is true there is literally no reason to talk to anyone but God. Why would they think of you any more favorably?

The whole thing is so obviously an elaborate excuse so you idolators can keep your statues and pretend you aren't breaking any commandments.

>>1551406
Idolatrous heathen

>>1551420
>Catholic
>Christian
Pick one please.

>>1551470
>>what is the Immaculate Conception?
>>what is "being the New Eve?"
Heresy

How do I get into Virgin Mary worship? What kind of literature should I read and what kind of practices are associated with worshiping Mary? Thanks.

>>1552286
Let's not forget that they re-wrote their bibles to hide the second commandment against idolatry into the 9th against covetousness.

>>1552919
>How do I get into Virgin Mary worship?

Join the Whore of Babylon.

>>1551406
>Mother of God

So no Mary, no God?

>>1552258
And lit candles to, and burned incense to, and expects to hear him, and expects to mediate for him before God......

>>1552927
How do I do that?

>>1552927

The comedy value of American Protestants is the best thing about this board.

I mean really what is so bad about idols, not really any more superstitious then prayer to a non-idol/nothing.
It's not like you don't already believe in miracles and mysteries, why suddenly have scruples about Marys.

So is Mary worship a sexual thing or a spiritual thing?

>>1553003

This is a false dichotomy, it is both.

>>1551470
Bullshit.

>>1552925
Luther used the same numbering of the 10 commandments we do. We aren't hiding anything. The first commandment already contains the prohibition against idolatry.

Mary is my waifu

>>1551104
Dead physically not spiritually. She can hear us just fine.

We worship feet nao. The more disgusting the better.

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>>1551123
>>1551183
All those cases of "Marian Apparitions" are frauds...

A combination of religious hysteria, outright lies, pious crimes, and much later interpolation, intentional myth-making, and appropriation from Church authorities in order to combat what they see as an encroachment and erosion of their influence of power.

Notice how reactionary the messages of some of the more famous apparitions are - almost too reactionary, to have come from a supposedly divine or supernatural being. It's the exact same reason why the Ummo affair is deemed a hoax: because they are preoccupied too much with the Left-Right/Conservative-Liberal spectrum, so much so that it's completely ridiculous to assume either a supernatural spirit being or an extra-terrestrial being would hold views that align and correspond so neatly - conveniently, even - to the political spectrum of humans.

>>1552836
>Jesus' Presense in her womb wouldn't sanctify her

What's the Protestant justification for this limit of God's Power?

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>>1551829
You realize Christians take that as a good thing right?

>>1551619
Bullshit.

Mary was chosen to bear the Messiah; she was favored.

NOT "FULL OF GRACE"

"FULL OF GRACE" is attributed to JESUS ONLY.

>>1551630
...with blasphemies upon blasphemies coming from her whore mouth....

>>1552845
>>1552836
Nice response Protfag.

>>1552938
You go to your local Whore of Babylon outlet and speak to the man with the funny black and white collar.

>>1552950
Laugh when you're burning in hell. Then I'll admire you.

>>1552098
No? Why would it?

>>1553041
You don't even know your own vile history.

Martin Luther was a catholic friar, and never anything else but an excommunicated catholic friar.

>>1551999
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita

>>1552258
You realize prostration is an entirely different gesture from genuflection right?

>>1552286
>If (a) Mary isn't in that statue
She isn't.

> and (b) you aren't actually praying to her, you're just asking her to talk to God for you, then why not just pray to God directly?
Why not talk to a buddy in upper management to vouch for your request to the CEO? Sure you can talk directly to the CEO but why wouldn't you take the option?

>>1551660
Hearty kek

>>1552928
More like "No Mary, no God Incarnate, know Mary, know God Incarnate."

Or do you follow heresy that says Jesus isn't God 100%?

>>1553003
>So is Mary worship a sexual thing
What the?

>>1553021
Got proof Prot-bro?

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>>1553141
>dead physically

Riiiiiight.

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>>1553231

>>1553640
>"FULL OF GRACE" is attributed to JESUS ONLY.

Someone better inform Gabriel of that then.

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>Some of us have seen a doctor of theology dying, for consoling whom a certain theologian, a monk, was employed. He pressed on the dying man nothing but this prayer: Mother of grace, protect us from the enemy; receive us in the hour of death.

>Granting that the blessed Mary prays for the Church, does she receive souls in death, does she conquer death [the great power of Satan], does she quicken? What does Christ do if the blessed Mary does these things? Although she is most worthy of the most ample honors, nevertheless she does not wish to be made equal to Christ, but rather wishes us to consider and follow her example [the example of her faith and her humility]. But the subject itself declares that in public opinion the blessed Virgin has succeeded altogether to the place of Christ. Men have invoked her, have trusted in her mercy, through her have desired to appease Christ, as though He were not a Propitiator, but, only a dreadful judge and avenger. We believe, however, that we must not trust that the merits of the saints are applied to us, that on account of these God is reconciled to us, or accounts us just, or saves us. For we obtain remission of sins only by the merits of Christ, when we believe in Him. Of the other saints it has been said, 1 Cor. 3:8: Every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor, i.e., they cannot mutually bestow their own merits, the one upon the other, as the monks sell the merits of their orders. Even Hilary says of the foolish virgins: And as the foolish virgins could not go forth with their lamps extinguished, they besought those who were prudent to lend them oil; to whom they replied that they could not give it because peradventure there might not be enough for all; i.e., no one can be aided by the works and merits of another, because it is necessary for every one to buy oil for his own lamp. [Here he points out that none of us can aid another by other people's works or merits.]

>>1553720
Fascinating, and what's the Protestant response?

>HUR DUR MUH HORSE OF BOBBY LING

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>>1553649
She is a perfect sinless virgin 2dqt that Christians wish would sit on their face.

>>1553768
That's disgustingly irreverent.

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>>1553772
Who would you rather have sex with, Jesus or Mary?

>>1553768
I'd make her conceive, but it certainly wouldn't be immaculate.

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>>1553779
Please don't talk about the Lord or His Mother like that. Ever.

>>1553784
You do realize that A, she was a consecrated virgin and B, the Immaculate Conception refers to HER being conceived, not Jesus.

>>1553793
>jesus_christ_and_mary_magdalene
>mother
Did Jesus have an Oedipus complex?

>>1553812
>what's a very common girl's name

>>1553803
I don't really care, point is, I would bone her, given the chance.

>>1553812
When did we change Marys?

>>1553803
>consecrated virgin
Only in the apocryphal Gospel of mary

>>1553822
There are three Marys in the Marian trinity.

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>belonging to a denomination and it's hivemind

>>1553839
I hope the third is Asherah

>>1553832
That's from the Protoevangelium of James.

>>1553839
>Marian Trinity

So the 3 Madisons in my nephew's class are a trinity now?

>>1551437
No, that's pretty in line with Protestantism.

>>1553992
>Protestants don't believe in God because holiness and sanctification don't exist

Topkek

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>>1553803
>the Immaculate Conception refers to HER being conceived
what in the fuck

>>1554022
Nobody can be born without original sin, so if Mary gave birth to Jesus he would have original sin and therefore not be sinless. So instead, God created Mary without original sin.

Now you may be asking, if God can just create Mary without original sin, why not just allow Jesus to be born without it? Mary could be born despite her parents sinning, why not Jesus? The answer to that is, of course, gkkgodksmeitkfmsbd New Eve fjdjdhd ark of the covenant gjfldoejtudkskeltn.

>>1554071
I knew it! Mary was God's waifu all along.

>>1554022
In Catholic dogma, Sts. Joachim and Anne had a baby girl named Mary who God guarded from Original Sin for the purpose of becoming the Mother of the Messaiah. The conception of this girl is called the Immaculate Conception because it was a Conception free of the mark of sin (immaculate means clean, tidy, free of marks or errors). Jesus' conception on the other hand is called the Incarnation, as it is God becoming Flesh and taking on human nature (carne- flesh)

>>1554071
New Eve.

Eve was made perfect but in her disobediance to God brought for sin and death onto humanity. On the other hand, Mary as the New Eve brings the exact opposite, by her fiat, her obedience to God, she brought Slavation and Life into the world.

To fulfill the role of New Eve, she had to be made without sin just as Eve was made without sin.

>>1554098
Why does everything with the Catholics feel like retroactive rewriting to back up some magical paradox?
I suppose they kept getting free passes throughout history because they had a cultural monopoly and no one else could do anything about it.

>>1554130
It's more we actually take every single thing to its logical conclusion based on scriptural truths in order to discern further truth. The Trinitarian heresies were considered heresies not because monopoly but because when entertained they were incompatible with the entirety of scriptural revelation.

>>1554161
That's pretty convenient when the Early Church fathers wrote and translated the Bible. I don't buy it. The sense of legitimacy o f"logical conclusions" is undermined by the fact that they could meddle with the Bible to backfield whatever agenda they wished. So your initial "scriptural truth" is whatever they wanted it to be in the first place, and the "heresies" are whichever books they chose to exclude or proscribe.

You don't think it's suspicious when the Catholic Church uses the humble beginnings of a dirt-poor Jew to become Italian lords on golden thrones? Nothing creepy about that?

>>1554130
>Why does everything with the Catholics feel like retroactive rewriting to back up some magical paradox?
Two-thousand years of strict rationalization to try and untangle a few decades of extreme fluidity and freedom of interpretation.

>>1554122
Who is the New Adam in this scenario?

>>1553667
>a buddy in upper management
Mary isn't your buddy any more than God is.

>>1552950
I will pray that God forgives you, heretic.

>>1554238
There is also the implication that somehow Mary is more merciful or more forgiving than God, at which point we might as well just worship her and consider Jesus her errand boy who has the ignoble task of actually carrying out her wishes.

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>>1552982
>I mean really what is so bad about idols
Oh not much, except that we were SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO MAKE THEM

>>1553660
I know exactly what I'm saying, and don't pretend that there aren't catholics who do the former.

>>1554071
Bullshit.

Inherited sin is from the father's side, and Jesus' father is God.

You Mother Earth cultists need to be stopped. You're dragging people to hell with you.

>>1554130
When you write the history books, you get to tell your own side of the story.

And not the bloody side. Not the evil side. Not the vile side. And when you commit genocide, you don't write about it, and neither do they.

>>1554235
I don't know who it is in papist mythology, but in the bible it's Jesus.

By one man's sin, Adam, all died.

By one man's sacrifice, the Second Adam, Jesus, all may be made righteous.

>>1553793
I want you to imagine Jesus engaging in kinky sex with his mother Mary and them cuddling afterwards in the afterglow :33

>>1554280
Yeah, and the ones who PROSTRATE before anything that isn't the Most Holy Sacrement aren't looked upon fondly by us.

>>1554235
Adam was the King of the World, meant to lead and guide mankind. But he sinned and in his death damned us.

So who is the New King of the World who through his death saves us?

>>1554206
Name a heresy and why it doesn't mesh with the truth.

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>>1554414
>Adam was the King of the World

>>1554414
>>1554284
>Jesus is the New Adam, and Mary his mother is the New Eve
>>1553812

>>1554206
>You don't think it's suspicious when the Catholic Church uses the humble beginnings of a dirt-poor Jew to become Italian lords on golden thrones? Nothing creepy about that?

Yeah, Israel NEVER had that problem being started by some desert goat herder who's great grandsons founded 12 tribes and an entire civilization.

Why do you assume we are blind to the sins of the past?

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>>1554303
>I don't know who it is in papist mythology
It's Jesus. We Worship Jesus too dumbfuck.

>>1554441
Disgusting.

>>1554464
>too

Good luck worshiping God's enemy, papist.

>>1554484
"Too" in relation to you, you self-righteous bastard.

>>1554481
You have to admit, it's a little strange. Yahweh creates for himself his perfect virginal mother figure to raise him up from a childhood, and his followers call her the title (Queen of Heaven) that they used to call his former wife.

Maybe Jesus had a few issues he needed to work out. No judgement, he was only human, after all.

>>1554484
Why do evangelicals make shit up and grasp at straws to paint the Catholic Church as a boogeyman that their paranoid ramblings make to seem like the Catholic Church is an evil more powerful than God somehow?

>t. Lutheran

>>1554513
Religious people see the world as US = GOOD; THEM = EVIL.

>>1554513
In many evangelical circles the Roman Catholic Church is considered to be the Whore of Babylon and a major player in the end times. Nobody has really gotten the memo that the RCC is not the powerhouse it once was, at least not outside of extremely specific regions of the world.

>>1554505
You do realize Israelite Queens were the mothers of the Kings right?

Would you let the Virgin Mary sit on your face, Anons?

>>1554541
do proddies actually believe the pope is the antichrist? how common are these beliefs?

>>1554778
Asherah was the consort of El, and when Yahweh took on his attributes she became his consort also. Whether or not Asherah was also originally his mother or Yahweh was imported from elsewhere is a different question.

>>1554790
Here in the States we are pretty damn superstitious, most of us believe in ghosts and witches and demonic possession.
A lot of that bleeds off into our Churches. We love tent-revivals and faith-healings and speaking in tongues. On the urban end we love megachurches and televangelists and stadium-filling Victorious Christian Living self-help seminars.

>>1552840
This meme

>>1554859
If you're a stupid Protestant, that applies to you too you know.

>>1554392
>not all catholics

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Catholics do not "worship" Mary, they venerate her.

>>1554392
>le no true catholic scotsman

>>1555254
>they venerate her
>by kneeling in front of her statue and asking for things
>in other words, worship

>>1555226
And not all Protestants let their kids die of easily treatable illness because they eschewed medicine for straight prayer.

Some do though, and they are idiots who are doing it wrong.

>>1555261
When you have official codes of conduct "no true Scotsman" doesn't apply.

>>1553634
Book, chapter and verse please

>>1554513
Fuck off papist cock sucker