Was FDR a meme president, or was he really as my friends would

>>1544929
No, he was a fascist corporatist warmonger and was the closest thing America has ever had to a dictator

>>1544935
How so?

>>1544948
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt

>inb4 lol Wikipedia

Tl;dr he was a welfare capitalist Keynesian who greatly expanded the federal government, promoted extensive state economic intervention, and favored collectivism and authoritarianism over individualism

>>1544929
The main cause of the recovery was monetary, not fiscal. His best decision was to end the gold standard. The NIRA essentially cancelled out any expansionary effect of his spending.

>>1544970
>welfare capitalist
>he said as if this wasn't the best form of society yet developed by humans

I wish Social Democrats could get rid of the SJWs.

It's a great system, other than the identity politics fags.

>>1544970

That's because individualism failed. The constant cycle of stock panics had finally shredded the American economy. The only way out was to institute an income tax so that capital could be freed up and spent generating new capital (say with aqueducts in California, or hydro dams in Tennessee) so that the economy could be rebooted. For the most part, it worked. WW2 came along and the government managed to buy their way out of the depression.

Obama attempted the same thing as well and it partially worked. Problem is that capital is still being locked up by elites and banks, and that the recent wave of startups/entrepreneurship is extremely localized (specifically in a select handful of large cities) and doesn't employ enough people. As we can see with europe, higher taxes only promote capital flight (say, to the US) and negative rates are not helping either.

WSJ asked 78 professors of history, law and political science to rank the presidents back in 2000, and FDR came in third place.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB974336784441980753

>>1544929

Real rates and real unemployment rose adjacently with one another even after the new deal reforms were enacted, so his ideas didn't go as planned.

He however was a just leader, I don't think there is merit in calling him a draconian dictator. If there is give me evidence.

World War 2 got us out of the depression.

>>1545622
>He however was a just leader, I don't think there is merit in calling him a draconian dictator. If there is give me evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

>>1545633
A sensible security measure when your nation is in a state of war with enemies who want your destruction.

Feelings get hurt in war.

>>1545622
>He however was a just leader, I don't think there is merit in calling him a draconian dictator. If there is give me evidence.

he literally tried to usurp the supreme court when they ruled against him. Luckily, even his supporters in congress saw that as autocratic.

>>1545622
>clearly stating your profound lack of basic economics

Do you even know what the broken window fallacy is?

He just increased short term aggregate spending which created a bubble that was extended by military expansion until the Korean war recessions

Back to plebbit you go

>>1545546
>As we can see with europe, higher taxes only promote capital flight
[citation needed]

>>1545671
>feelings

Ahh yes surely just feelings got hurt.

>>1545690
Abenomics/China's economy is essentially the same thing. Government spending fostering demand + real rates being negative.

Essentially Keynesianist expansionary policy on permanent overdrive.

Only issue is that it generally diminishes future demand growth rates and diminishes the ability to spend more in the next recession.

Which is what the 50's were. Recovering from the bubble spending and artificial demand growth of the 40's.

FDR is a monster, basically America's Mussolini/Hitler/Stalin/Tojo/Chang Kai Shek/Mao/Franco.

>>1545671
>Feelings get hurt in war.

And civil rights apparently. Then again when did FDR ever care what the constitution said?

>>1545671
More Japanese were put in concnetration camps than germans or italians. Japanese were never caught or later proven, to have engaged in anti american activities. While many germans and italians were caught.

>>1544929
He cucked this country out of socialism but did a lot of good for the American worker

>>1544935
Warmonger? How? Are you a leftcom?

>>1545810
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The USA had cracked the Japanese codes years before the war. We knew everything about the Japanese we could intercept.

FDR knew what he was doing when cutting off exports to Japan. He knew they were going to attack Pearl Harbor. He wanted Japan to declare war on the USA. So he could declare war on Fascism and save his little pinko commie friends.

>>1545948
>he fell for this meme
>he doesn't understand the difference between "something is going to happen" and "there's going to be a simultaneous attack on all of our shit"
>he doesn't know that FDR considered the Japanese to be a distraction from the European theater

>>1545675
>he literally tried to usurp the supreme court when they ruled against him. Luckily, even his supporters in congress saw that as autocratic.

>It's only okay when we do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lochner_era

>>1546256
>wah you were bad as well
is not an argument

>>1544929
He's only a good president if you're a baby boomer or brainwashed by a baby boomer

>>1544929
Easily one of the best Presidents of the United States, helped the country recover from the Great Depression and led us through WW2, in addition to establishing Social Security and whatnot.

I'm a leftist who ranks FDR pretty highly, but the right are correct in calling him an authoritarian who undermined free market capitalism. People are mostly willing to overlook his flaws and how he wrecklessly rushed us into a war the country didn't want any part in because it worked out in the end.

>>1544929
He is responsible for making America into the interventionist, imperialistic, world police nation that it is today.

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>>1546315

That boat sailed a long time ago.

>>1545750
I liked the line in Ken Burns' "the Roosevelts" that went something along the lines of "Jefferson wrote the Constitution to define what government could do, but the Roosevelts saw it as defining what they could not do. "

>>1546310
>Recklessly rushed us into war
Did you forget about the lend lease program, where we were basically pumping out materiel for everyone and their mothers. We were ready for war by 1941, and especially eager after the Japanese attemptes to neuter our navy. Had we waited any further we would have been in an even worse position in the Pacific

>>1544929
List of his crimes:

>tricking America into believing that Europe, Africa and Asia exist
>tricking America into believing communism is a thing
>killing around 20 billions of Americans
>creating death camps for another 200 billions.
>creating FBI and CIA to hide all those facts from American citizens

>>1546399
Oh I forgot - he also prolonged the great crisis so we suffer from it to this day while non-interventionist policy would make it end in a month or so.

>>1546256
>product of a by-gone era
Except they just did it not even a year ago

>>1545546
>Stupid monetary system
>Individualism failed

Best thing he ever did was leave the gold standard

>>1546256
Surprised I was never taught about this

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>>1546315
Wrong Roosevelt

>>1545756

Do you understand that you literally just proved that the internment camps were necessary and effective