Why does everyone wank over the loser factions of the Spanis

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Can't even imagine how shitty Spain would be now (though it probably wouldn't exist anymore) if the Republicans/communists had won

Why liberal democrats cry over the death of a soldier (Khan controversy) and are outraged that Trump's wife once took some sexy pics (what happened to the traditional family?!), even though they're anti-war and anti-morals? Leverage.

Can't even imagine how shitty Spain would be now if Franco had won

Oh wait you don't have to imagine

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>>1535651
Spain isn't really that bad, its poor but not impoverished by any means.
and Franco did a lot for Spain, its gotten worse since his death and the socialists crawling back again from their mass graves

>>1535651
Franco's Spain was the "Economic Miracle" and the China of it's day.

>>1535637
Why liberal democrats cry over the death of a soldier and grandstand their parents while bashing parents of dead soldiers during the same day of the conference?

>>1535666
>Franco did a lot for Spain

Like unleashing Moroccan rape squads?

>>1535651
Seeing how communist countries turn out, I think far better than what the commies had in mind

Why does everyone wank over the losers of the American Civil War?

>>1535681
racist commies shitting on Moroccans again, ironic people call Falange racist yet they were all about unity of Spain and everyone in it.

Franco revitalized Spain, however depressed it is today it was significantly worse before and significantly better under Franco

same goes for Portugal though the Americans and Capitalists stripped it of its core territories overseas.

>>1535694
It's like leftists really don't have principles and rather just go back and forth according to the context and audience, and that they really have ulterior motives (revenge, envy, libido, etc.).

>>1535675
Lmao no

>>1535694
Is it better if it was Spanish rape squads?

Nowhere did they poster imply it was somehow worse because they were Moroccans.
What he implied was that conquering your nation with foreign forces is pretty fucked up for someone claiming "nationalism".

>>1535609
Filthy subhumans and daeshlike brigades, Franco did a good job removing these subhumans, but today they are ruling spain, which is shame. Spaniards never learn.

>>1535795
>today they are ruling spain,
?

>Spain was slightly not as economically successful because of Franco's fascism
Every socialist experiment was an economic catastrophe
>Economy is not everything!

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>>1535609
Because they were cool.

>>1535799
>>Spain was slightly not as economically successful because of Franco's fascism
but it was successful?
though he did abandon his distaste for capitalism it was an economic miracle after the abject failure that was Spain prior.
Spain today has a very high quality of life, and unemployment was far lower under Franco

>>1535804
Slaves preaching their slave mentality.
and Communism is the biggest one of all.

>>1535811
I know I was impersonating a lying shitlib.

>>1535815
Anarchism is quite literally the exact opposite of slave mentality.

>>1535819
>implying there are non-lying shitlibs

>>1535822
Actually it is and you don't have a clue about the concept. Slave mentality means trying to ruin it for everybody else because you can't succeed, which is socialism and anarchism in a nutshell.

>>1535631
>implying Spain should exist
It's a meme country like Belgium

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>>1535804
>hurr I like their propaganda
you do realize you are no different from those spooked by Franco's propaganda

>>1535828
W E W L A D

>>1535828
Except by installing anarchism you have succeeded, you are free, you have no masters and as such are no longer a slave.

You reject the authority of others over you, that is not the mentality of a slave. Accepting the claim that others are better and deserve to rule you, is bootlicking at its finest.

> you don't have a clue about the concept
If you're taking Nietzsche's concepts then it's usually called slave "morality" and not "mentality".

>>1535830
Yeah but I like this propaganda better.

>>1535822
it is a slave mentality, the desire of all slaves is to be "free" as if freedom will bring meaning to their empty lives.
Masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master-morality with their slave morality. Unlike master morality which is sentiment, slave morality is based on re-sentiment; devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as 'good'.
maybe some forms of Anarchism value the creators and aristocrats of the soul, but certainly not Anarcho-Communists who's only goal in life is to be an autonomous herd of sheep with no Shepard.

>>1535840
>Except by installing anarchism you have succeeded
Until even the smallest state near you comes and enslaves you because you have surrendered your centralized means of colecting taxes and spending on defense.
>You reject the authority
Anarchist don't. You confuse power and authority.
>If you're taking Nietzsche's concepts then it's usually called slave "morality" and not "mentality".
I suppose I was. But still.

>>1535631
Whiter.

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>mfw I not only win the war, but I force the filthy communists and anarchists to rebuild the churches they destroyed.

>>1535887
I wonder if some of them converted. Dostoyevsky was an edgy socialist but he became a Christian monarchist in prison.

>>1535891
Some of them converted and were saved, I assume.

Many refused, no doubt, and are now writhing in hell with the rest of their "comrades" in true, infernal, equality.

>>1535855
>it is a slave mentality, the desire of all slaves is to be "free" as if freedom will bring meaning to their empty lives.
This is the great thing about freedom, it has no purpose or meaning. Just as life has no purpose or meaning.

But you are right, what Nietzsche would call slave morality does vilify its oppressors. And this is a good thing. When there's a boot on your neck you don't kiss it, you get rid of it. No matter how much "meaning" it brings or morality it shackles you with it is still fundamentally an obstacle to be removed. Just as always happened to the ruling class in all of history, they are removed with all their sentimentality and values with them.

And this is the way Nietzsche saw it would go, all the further towards nihilism and the total destruction of all prior values. And I say good riddance.

>>1535862
>Until even the smallest state near you comes and enslaves you because you have surrendered your centralized means of colecting taxes and spending on defense.
Well yeah, but this is getting into heavy what-iffery now.

>Anarchist don't. You confuse power and authority.
As I said in the rest of that sentence "you reject the authority of others to rule over you". Which anarchists do. The authority implied by ruling over someone (such as a state) is different to the justified authority of say being a doctor.

>>1535843
If I lived in Anarchist Catalonia I'd immediately move to America and try to make it big on the stock market. What would you do? Die for Caballero?

>>1535905
>implying Nietzsche was a nihilist
all it would lead to is a bigger heard of sheep ripe for the next Nomad who comes along to take over and create his own values to enforce on the herd.

>>1535935
idk I've never lived in anarchist Catalonia.

>>1535949
That's not what I was saying at all, I was saying Nietzsche opposed nihilism and as he feared nihilism has triumphed (as far as Nietzsche would be concerned anyway).

>all it would lead to is a bigger heard of sheep ripe for the next Nomad who comes along to take over and create his own values to enforce on the herd.
Yes, which is why the herd must be strong enough to resist any new masters.

>>1535961
a herd can never be strong, its nature as a herd means its always susceptible to domination.

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>>1535961
>Yes, which is why the herd must be strong enough to resist any new masters.

>>1535975
Except it can, there are herds of wild animals since it's not exclusively applied to domesticated livestock.

Not to mention it's a metaphor anyway.

>>1535989
>Not to mention it's a metaphor anyway.
its not a metaphor, the herd mentality of societies leads to the collective degeneration of man into merely a utilitarian entiry. the innate jelousy and weakness of the slave masses leads to its own downfall and inevitable takeover by more powerful outsiders, either ideological outsiders who rise up above the herd, our "nomads" riding in to put the collective down. not that the mentality of the oppressor is not dangerous, but the mentality of the mass herd is far more destructive. all the herd has is a lust for revenge against the powerful and this leads to a society of mediocre minds weak and fragile against a powerful storm.

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>>1536006
>Bombastic prose
>No argument
I see Nietzschean philosophy has not changed in almost 200 years.

>>1536016
whats the argument that a headless throng of slaves run by bureaucrats is inherently better?
not like every example of it hasn't failed tremendously, ESPECIALLY in the case of Spain.

>>1536016
>>1536046
>argument
All political ideologies are dictated by an underlying will, be it the will to impress sense, order, structure, meaning and form upon reality or the will to level and destroy so as to return to the archetypal mother's womb where all pain and struggle cease, or something in between. Arguments are mere rationalizations.

>>1536076
what is your argument for this?

>>1536081
>argument
All political ideologies are dictated...

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>>1535887

You're forgetting about that giant cross he made them build

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>>1535609
But I find both sides interesting.

I also find both sides equally shitty. Literally a no-win situation for Spain. At least I got a game out of it.

>>1536577
Makes my heart skip a beat.

>>1535829
t. greedy catalan kike

>>1535609
Communism=Bad
Fascism=Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLs-AyeRlqM

>>1536658
>Franco
>Fascist

Nice meme, faggot.

>>1535609
Because Republican Spain would have been a peaceful quasi-leftist shithole rather then a violent reactionary one that happily slaughtered dissidents were it not for Franco.

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>>1535950
So how can you be sure they were cool when you never lived in anarchist Catalonia?

>>1536671
They spent years suppressing the rights of Catholics before the war. You know, with the burning of churches and assassinations of priests.

>>1536671
More likely it would have been a USSR satellite state that happily slaughtered dissidents. After getting rid of the anarchists and non-stalinist commies of course.
After all, there's nothing that the left hates more than other leftists that ever so slightly stray from the true path.

>>1535637
>democrats
>liberals
???

>>1536577
>>1535887
true beauty

honestly, im sold. Franco is a 10/10 imo

>>1535609
Rooting for the underdog


Same reason yurupeeans that have fuck all to do with the south root for the confederacy...even if they don't particularly hate nigs.

Because it's edgier to call Franco "cool" & the people who frame public discourse prefer people who <3 being workers to people who <3 being people.
This is why socialism is more mainstream than fascism, socialism reduces humans to economic unites while fascism doesn't base its entire ideological structure on the notion of liberating The Humble Worker.

>>1535829
>Spain. Exists due to conquest and union of crowns
>Belgium. Exists due to anglo wanting a beach on the mainland
Explain yourself

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Daily reminder that the true losers of the war were the national syndicalists.

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>>1537099
>fascism doesn't base its entire ideological structure on the notion of liberating The Humble Worker.
excelente post capo

>>1536706
>Implying the USSR could actually project it's authority all the way to Spain.

lol, at worst they would have been closer to Titoist.

>>1537099
What are you talking about? Anything short of radical egoism dehumanizes people to some extent or another by rendering them components of some collective or another. Fascism just reduces human beings to "citizens" of some arbitrary nation-state.

>>1537178
>Implying the USSR could actually project it's authority all the way to Spain.
What is Cuba?

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>>1536671
>Republican Spain
>PEACEFUL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>1535989
The only reasons herds work in the animal kingdom is because instinctively herd mentality is ingrained in them. Each animal in a herd from birth knows what they must do to survive: go with the herd. They have no complex tasks to complete and they don't require a constant line of communication.

Human civilization requires heavily on coordination and communication. And because of the complexity of technology, industry, and society most people have specialized roles unlike a herd. To coordinate these specialized people, resolve communication issues, and ultimately oversee the completion of a task there must be leader. However the more complex these tasks get, in other words the more advanced the technology, the more leaders you need to coordinate more specialized people. Back then in the feudal ages there wasn't an overreaching government like we have today, this is mostly because in order to achieve the average standard of living at the time they didn't need that many specialized peoples. Therefore the government was small because at the time that was all they needed to have.

Here's some basic rules:

More people = More need for coordination through communication = More administration

The only possible way to achieving the communist vision of herd independent hierarchies is to change the biology of humanity to have unlimited and instant communication with one another.

However given the current technological and moral constraints that isn't an option in the foreseeable future.

If we cannot change the very foundation of communication then we're stuck doing what we've always done and increase efforts to make administration more transparent, efficient, and purer. And have leaders that are intelligent, compassionate, and charismatic.

Rather than completely removing hierarchies, we should work to improve them.

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>>1535989
>>1537228
Also rather than having the master morality of aristocrats/the bourgeois and the slave morality of the proletariat, there needs to be a new morality that encompasses an entire nation: a morality that views that giving/gaining strength as good, and losing/taking away strength as bad. A morality that encourages providing a viable and realistic path to individually obtainable financial security, education, and independence to every individual in a nation. All achieved through proper government planning and work.

The rich who take the strength away from the weak will be vilified, those who do not will be respected, and those who give strength to the weak will be commended.

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>>1535609
Because muh granpa told them spaniard children how evil was Franco by banning their fedoras.

>>1536671
>Implying Stalin and the ethernal anglo would not push them to war with Mussolini's Italy

>>1536671
>Falange Spain wasn't peaceful

as I recall there were no wars and a smooth transition of power after his death.
if a few commies got free helicopter rides then what's the issue?

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>>1537186
It's almost like an ideology's worth should be based on the net increase of happiness it gives to the most amount of people, rather than the subjective emasculation a human experiences.