Why have Muslim empires so consistently excelled at Architecture?

>>1535410
>Have there ever been a historical rival to Muslims in terms of architectural prowess?

Greeks, Romans, Gothic and Baroque Europe.

>>1535410
>4,000 years of pooinloo hindpoos and their most defining monument is the Taj Mahal

Built by a Islamic dynasty...

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>>1535415
Thats literally my point. All these masterpieces were made by Muslims...

The Islamic world's true achievement is not in the architecture per se, because they developed it by learning from the best, out of all their predecessors in the East and West.

It's in their iconoclast decoration.

>>1535410
It is famous because it is a nice and romantic story that is straight out of a fairytale.
A huge number of western tourists visit southern india and their temples, Khajuraho is well known as well and Ajanta and Ellora are well known to the more well known tourist

>>1535432
This looks Baroque as fuck. Interesting.

>>1535449
Yeah. It's a blend of Gothic+Islamic architecture

>>1535451
my dick

Would muslims allow non-muslims to enter a mosque?

Really wish I wasn't on mobile so I could dump my HINDU architecture folder

>>1535410

slave labor

>>1535439
this looks like some weird russian church-turned-mosque

>>1535472
Yes? as long as you're not a dick and follow the guidelines (no shoes n some other stuff that varies from place to place). The one down the road has cake sales occasionally.

>>1535472
In Western and less extreme countries? Yeah.

But Saudi Arabia and the like? Nope

>>1535432
What's that?

>>1535509
You are now aware that Islamic architecture is heavily influenced by Byzantine architecture.

>>1535413
>best exemple of 'muslim architecture'
>20th century fantasy-style

They conquered highly advanced civilizations and enslaved their intellectual elite. If it wasn't for the muslims, India would probably rule the world by now.

>>1535568
>India would probably rule the world by now.

WORLD POWER BY 2050

SO MANY WHITE SLAVES

>>1535432

Now that is cool

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WELCOME TO MECCA CASINO

>>1535410
Its mainly because they are "Exotic" to look at for a westerner like you because you are used to western Architecture

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Look at the surroundings. Brazilian favela tier.

>>1535581
i hate saudis so god damn much

>>1535591
Looks like a British folly. Architect?

>>1535622
What is it with oil barons and being gaudy/showy?
Is it just a nouveau riche thing, or something cultural?

>>1535581

HER NAME WAS LOLA
SHE WAS A SHOWGIRL
BUT THEN SHE FINALLY GOT THE SACK
AND NOW WALKS AROUND IN A GARBAGE BAG

>>1535644
Yeah, it's a psychological issue, due to imbalance
>spent millennia living like dirt in the desert, barely scraping by
>suddenly strike oil and become rich
>try to show you're as good as the rich westerners
>overcompensate and end up gaudy as fuck

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>>1535561
Pic related was originally a Byzantine church, which was converted into a mosque by the Turks when they took over Constantinople. (This triggers a lot of people on /his/ for some reason)

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>>1535410

Gothic/British Imperial style/Old French style/Renaissance architecture

You can't deny that St. Peter's Basilica is one of the most beautiful buildings in existence, especially the interior.

Worth noting that the domed architecture characteristic to Muslim architecture was heavily influenced by Eastern Roman Christian churches. I've always liked the open interiors of mosques and such though,

Also, old Russian orthodox architecture is pretty cool, pic related

>>1535709
>(This triggers a lot of people on /his/ for some reason)
Many /his/torians also browse/post on /pol/ and /int/

>>1535410
Muslim architecture was ripped off from the Sassanids. For example, Cteisphon.

It mostly came from Persians:
>"Virtually all European scholars claim that Arabic music and architecture has Persian origins".[38]

>>1535561
More like Sasanian architecture.

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>>1535661
>he doesn't know what the Saudis did before oil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_sack_of_Karbala
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Wahhabi_War

>>1535709
>for some reason
Haha XD
You motherfucker.

>>1535750
Oh wow, they waged war.

What a peaceful and prosperous time they must have had

>>1535410

>Why have Muslim empires so consistently excelled at Architecture?
>muslim architecture
You mean byzantine(Greco-Roman-Christian) and Persian architecture ?
>>Thousands of years of spaniards before and after Muslim rule in Spain and their defining monuments are castles and mosques made by Muslims


Nope.

>>1535581
Whatever architectural accomplishments the muslims have had throughout the years, they nullified them all with this cancerous fucking eyesore.

>>1535765
My point was the Saudis commanded groups of Wahhabis and even made a pact with the founder of the ideology itself. They used this group to commit genocide against Shias at Karbala and would have done more heinous acts if Muhammad Ali Pasha didn't bitch slap them.

Yet this family is one of the few bastions for hope in the Middle East and there's no problem with them being head of the UN Human Rights Council, according to the West.

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>>1535410
'Merica fuck yeah

>>1535800
>My point was the Saudis commanded groups of Wahhabis and even made a pact with the founder of the ideology itself. They used this group to commit genocide against Shias at Karbala and would have done more heinous acts if Muhammad Ali Pasha didn't bitch slap them.

They also murdered tons of them in the 1920's, which pissed them off and indirectly led to the siege of Mecca in 1979, which led to Wahhabism being exported outside of Saudi Arabia.

Basically, the whole Wahhabi murderfest is really just a proxy war between the Saudi royal house, who just want stability and money, and the Saudi Ulema, which are the actual Wahhabi shitheads who probably prop up al-Qaeda and ISIS and want to take over the whole Middle East

Many lulz will be had when they run out of oil and Saudi Arabia collapses. That will probably be a Liberia-tier fuckfest of murder and perversion. Or they can reform their religion, but we all know that will never happen

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>>1535831

>tfw Russia will never return to its former glory and remove kebab in the middle east

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Sorry I joined the party a bit late, I know a lot about Islamic Architecture, read these books too. Ask me anything

The Muslims back in the pre-modern era were at the forefront of mathematics, due in no small part to the fact that they had access to some ancient Greek and Roman texts. This is also why he Byzantines had such cool architecture.

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Why is it that whenever Muslim art, architecture, literature, or any other aspect of their civilization is mentioned there's always a swarm of autists going on about how they 'stole' Greek and Persian culture as if that were a bad thing?

Why are Cambodians allowed to copy Indians, Romans allowed to copy Greeks, Japanese allowed to copy Chinese, but Muslims not allowed to copy any earlier culture, including that of their own ancestors?

>>1535410
>Have there ever been a historical rival to Muslims in terms of architectural prowess?
Indians/Southeast Asians easily had better architecture than Muslims up until around the 13th century, after which point Westerners easily had the most impressive stuff. Islamic architecture has consistently been great but it was never really the 'best', though maybe around the late 16th/early 17th centuries you could say it was on par with Western stuff.

>>1535472
I went to a mosque during a trip to kazakhstan.

>>1535561
Weren't the slavs the ones inspired by turkic and persian architecture?
Not trolling, just wondering.

>>1536120
Western Islamic and Russian architecture are both ultimately derived from Byzantine architecture. The similarities are because of their common origin.

>>1535410
russian/orthodox>gothic>british>spanish>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old nippon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

Isn't Islamic architecture heavily influenced by the architecture in the lands it spread to/conquered? Byzantine, Roman, Greek and Persian for example.

>>1536145
Mostly Persian. However, it mixed with Moorish and Turkish elements to create the generic Islamic architecture stereotype

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>>1536145
Literally every idea in history was built upon and refined, that's how we get progress. How this basic rule escapes most of the people in this thread and this website in general amuses me.

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Under construction:

>>1535410
>spain is andalusia
Fuck off moro

>>1536378
Spain might not be Andalusia but you sure are anda-deluded lmao

>>1535410
Taj Mahal was a hindu shiva temple converted to a mausoleum.

t.pajeet

>>1535419
>That disgusting illumination.
Who can ever thought that these lights were nice?

>>1535489
Interested. Please do post when you reach home.

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>>1536386
kek

>>1535568
>They conquered highly advanced civilizations and enslaved their intellectual elite
That's because they were a highly advanced civilization. Stay anally devastated rajmukesh

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Go blow yourself up terrorist

>>1535410
>Thousands of years of spaniards before and after Muslim rule in Spain and their defining monuments are castles and mosques made by Muslims
Are you retarded?

>>1536369
>Under construction
>In Baghdad

The constructors must be very confident if they are constructing a structure like these in middle of a state of war.

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>>1536398
>rakesh how about we build a fucking pyramid with cuts in it and call it the epitome of our "civilization"
>good job pradeep *shits next to it"

Looks like kalima's pointy dildo you smelly brown bastard

>>1536544
/int/ posters should be shot

>>1536552
D E S I G N A T E D

Christianity and Islam are two great builder religions.

Only SEA Buddhists can rival them in their freaky temples.

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>>1535415
The lack of hindu architecture that comes to your mind may be because Muslims destroyed a lot of temples in their areas of influence you know?
Besides that, the remaining Hindu architecture is already amazing.

>>1536110
>Why is it that whenever Muslim art, architecture, literature, or any other aspect of their civilization is mentioned there's always a swarm of autists going on about how they 'stole' Greek and Persian culture as if that were a bad thing?
Because they're racists who think only whites can build stuff.

>>1535410
Plenty of nations excelled at architecture. If there's a serious, non-troll question here, then it's because the economic network of the Medieval Muslim world allowed skilled artisans to move about freely, especially when enticed by incredibly wealthy patrons who, starting around the 12th century I think, began to see donating to public works and religious buildings as the best way to earn fame and prestige. With a common language, or at least an easy way to accommodate well-traveled foreigners no matter where in the Muslim world they went, a skilled artisan or architect from Morocco could end up all the way in India, theoretically at least.

t. Muslim.

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>>1535410
Since Islam has a very strict attitude towards Images/depictions of Earthly things, the only path for a Muslim artist was to innovate via the use of elaborate patterns, mosaics and other such things while at the same time being completely free of depictions of humans, animals, etc. While there are notable exceptions, (the Taj Mahal has depictions of flowers set in semi-precious stones in the marble, for instance) patterns dominated the scene of Islamic architecture and art. I have seen absolutely stunning Jain, Hindu and Buddhist temples on my trip to India, with fantastic statues, frescoes, and carvings all over the building, but people seem to be much more attracted to abstract patterns than icons nowadays. It's more easy to connect with an elaborate pattern than a fresco of Buddha's life or of Shiva if you are not familiar with their respective cultures/religious dogma.

>>1535410
>Greeks
>Romans

>>1536693
>>1536712
Also this, the Taj Mahal and other fantastic Mughal works involved artists, architects, artisans, and even materials from places such as Afghanistan, Persia, Arabia, The Levant, The Ottoman Empire, etc. The Lapiz Luzuli and other stones that make up the flowery depictions on each arch of the Taj Mahal were mined in Afghanistan.

>>1536544
Not an indian here but you're a retarded Mohameddian subhuman, Indu temples are magnificient.

>>1536110
>Why are Cambodians allowed to copy Indians, Romans allowed to copy Greeks, Japanese allowed to copy Chinese, but Muslims not allowed to copy any earlier culture, including that of their own ancestors?
The Cambodians did not invade and desecrate the Indians and their religion, slaughtering wide swathes of the population and suppressing/oppressing those who were left until they adopted their barbaric religion. The Japanese did not do this to the Chinese, the Romans did not do this to the Greeks, etc. Islam an insane, psychopathic desert death cult that idolizes some filthy pedophile merchant who became a cult leader and slaughtered all of his detractors while destroying any semblance of any religious fate in his region except his own. His successors to this day are repeating this, from the Zoroastrians in Persia to the Hindus, Jains and Buddhists in India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Brunei, the Buddhists/Zunists in Afghanistan, the Christians in Ethiopia, Egypt, the Levant, Anatolia, Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Armenia, the Levant and Mesopotamia. You are the cancer on the civilized world, and the only way you ever manage to restrain the beastly, monstrous urges of your people to oppress and kill anybody different from them is when you are brought under the control of Western powers, or at least, under Western style governments, the Shah, for examples. But just like the Shah, you people always manage to rear your heads like a disease and ruin it. It is no wonder that non-Muslims are harassed, beaten, killed, tortured, forcefully converted and raped from Bangladesh to Sweden. Every misfortune, set-back, defeat and humiliation your people suffer are deserved ten-fold, and I hope and pray for the day when we can eliminate your filthy, goat-screwing, little girl fucking, acid mutilating, bombing and shooting people are wiped off from the face of this fucking Earth for good.

>>1535410
It's funny you are naming the Dome of the Rock as it was planned by Greek Architects.

>>1536120
Russians, not "Slavs" you dense retard.

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>>1536748
100% agreed. Fuck muslims, if you dont want to be hated, dont be a fucking muslim.

>>1536448
It was started in '98.

>>1536748
Wow what a pathetic post. First of all, all those people you mentioned invaded others, destroyed large parts of their culture, killed lots, and forced them into other cultures. Then you do the typical "they kill people, lets solve it by killing all of them" hypocrisy. The rest is just the typical tripe about pedophiles and shit.

It's clear to anyone with more than two brain cells that the causes of such a fucked up Islamic world are western intervention, and not that western intervention fixes them. The Shah was literally overthrown thanks to the USA.

The Muslim Mughals were literally India's best period, but i think your post is actually subtle irony.

>>1536841
This is just a side point, but it's important to include Russia in what you say is the west. I assume you do mean for the west to include Russia's meddling as well, but you open yourself up to all sorts of bullshit academic dishonesty by not making it explicit. And on the same note, it's especially important to make explicit that mentioning either does not diminish the other's influence in shaping the contemporary middle east.

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>>1536841
>Then you do the typical "they kill people, lets solve it by killing all of them" hypocrisy
Thats like saying since Nazis genocide jews you need to sit on your arse and do nothign because "you will become Nazi anon" argument.

You are a islamic apologist and other than Akbar the mughal period was largely punctuated by wars, rebellions and large scale death that set the stage for Marahtas to rise along with the Sikh Empire and over-throw the islamic stranglehold on the subcontinent. This inturn allowed centralized powers to fragment that led to English exploiting the break and fill in the gaps to become the prime authority in India.

People like you see history as an argument to be won, it isnt, according to me it is a series of causal events that needs to be viewed objectively and any mention of islam to be villified and denigrated because muh feelings.

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OUTTA MY WAY, MOHAMETAN FUCKING SHITS

>>1536841
>It's clear to anyone with more than two brain cells that the causes of such a fucked up Islamic world are western intervention.
Did the Romans intervene to cause Mohammed to rape little girls, or to destroy religious idols? Did the west intervene with Aurangzeb demolished every single Hindu temple in Varanasi? The best time in Mughal history was Ackbar's time, he left Islam and created his own religion, it was the only time when different religions could debate. How about when the Mughals reserve the fate of creating skull towers for non-Muslims, or when Babur smashed centuries old carvings of the Jain Tirthankaras? Did the west intervene to cause the Jizya? How about slaughter Zoroastrians en masse? Middle-Eastern Christians? How about Visigoths living in Spain? Or the Greeks living in Anatolia? Yes, George Bush caused all of that, didn't he?

The fact that you would reduce Mohammed being a filthy pedophile to a "trifle" is staggering. You're going out of your way to defend a pedophile and dismiss his deeds as being trifles. You're absolutely fucking sick, like every single Mohammedan on Earth.

>>1536841
Can you name to me an example when the Romans did this to the Greeks on the scale of the Muslims? Or when the Cambodians did this to the Indians and Chinese?

>The Shah was literally overthrown thanks to the USA
>No fucking proof.
The Shah was PROPPED UP by the USA, and Britain, you're absolutely fucking deluded if you think the USA propped up the Ayatollah Khomeni so that he could rule Iran. Are all Muslims this mentally deranged? Are all Muslims this accepting of worshiping people who fuck 9 year old girls?

>>1536975
>Are all Muslims this accepting of worshiping people who fuck 9 year old girls?

That's the definition, isn't it?

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>>1536799
>Muslim
>Has a Heineken tee

>>1536870
>according to me it is a series of causal events that needs to be viewed objectively
>any mention of islam to be villified and denigrated because muh feelings.

That's a complete non sequitur

>>1535410
Because Muslims destroy and deface local architecture.

>>1536748
THIS

A world without muslims and islam would much more secure, the MENA would be civilized and there would be no muslim attacks.

>>1536992

>no indication that he's muslim whatsoever

>Muslims move in
>destroy all native architecture or convert it to Mosques
>lol look at all this cool shit we built!

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>>1537008
Read it again and fully
>People like you see history as an argument to be won, it isnt, according to me it is a series of causal events that needs to be viewed objectively and any mention of islam to be villified and denigrated because muh feelings.
>according to me

>>1537112
Repetition isn't useful for getting a confusing point across outside of verbal speech. In what way is vilifying and denigrating any mention of Islam in history, because of feelings no less, a result of seeing history as a series of causal events viewed objectively?

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>>1537129
I am being ironic by pointing out the fact that everyone ends up doing the same. Jesus do I have to explain my nonsensical statements on an anonymous mongolian shadow puppet forum?

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not that other guy but here's an example of Indian Architecture

>>1537288
seems pretty generic south east to me

like bruma or somethin

>>1535581
>building a huge casino right next to your holiest site
How is this not insulting as fuck?

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>>1537329
They are mentally retarded. Muslims in general will only criticize something that has a fatwa stamped consensus by the Ulema. They are sheep of the highest degree unlike classical adherents of that faith.

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>expecting this thread to be turkshits squaring off with Europeans over culture
>its actually a poo damage control thread

Please accept this image of pleasant architecture as compensation for my shitpost.

>>1536903
i guess it's nice if you're a fan of dark souls

the ugly HDR on the photo isn't helping either

>>1536367
Looks pretty shit

>>1536367
This looks like something from an Earthworm Jim game, beyond awful.

>>1536369
>That fuckhuge luxurius building when the surrounding city is favela tier
There is no fixing the middle east isnt it?

>>1537516
>There is no fixing the middle east isnt it?
>fixing
>middle east
a land drowned in the blood of its own people continuously for the past 3000 years in the name of nonsense and idiocy. No not without a dramatic shift in cultural attitudes and norms that can only be caused by a survival thing bought about by a genocidal shock

>>1537880
This is not a Hindu temple, it is a Jain temple, the idol here is a tepiction of the third Tirthankara, Sambhavanatha. You see below the figure, alligned with the crotch is a depiction of a horse. Each Tirthankara is identifiable depending on the animal that they represent. For example, the first Tirthankara is Rsabhanatha, whose animal is the bull. This is a Svetambara Jain temple instead of a Degumbara well because the Tirthankara depicted here is depicted with makeup and a crown, whereas a Degumbara Jain figure would be naked and without any ornaments/makeup. Furthermore, we can deduct that this is a Tirthankara based on the ornament on his Chest, every single Tirthankara statue has that same ornament, which is how you can distinguish an idol of the Tirthankaras from some other venerated icon, like a dead holy man.

>>1536544
t. 100% pure persian descendent of the prophet and living in PureLand.

>>1535709
The minarets were the missing piece. It was not complete before 1493

>>1537953
>jain temple
>implying there are differences in architecture.

>>1535661
They remind me of those rich tribal families in Fallout

>>1537664
>a land drowned in the blood of its own people continuously for the past 3000 years in the name of nonsense and idiocy

Not muslim but you described every continent on earth anon. Europe has been the same

>>1536789
dumb pedant
kys

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>>1537966
There are though.
For one the Jains have a system of "chambers" for their Tirthankara idols, with an outer chamber and an inner one from which Brahman's can conduct Puja on the idols daily, another point is that I recognized that picture because when I went to Delhi, I saw an identical statue with identical carvings on the side, with identical designs on the statue itself, an identical table, an identical lantern, with identical material. Same went for Jain temples I visited in Ladnun and Jaipur, and this temple pictured is in Kanatak, which is all the way in the south.

Please do some research about the subject before you start talking about shit you know absolutely nothing about.

>>1538015
>Please do some research about the subject before you start talking about shit you know absolutely nothing about.

dude ur on /his/, 80% of this thread has been pseudo historical bs and dickwaving. Where did you go to in Dehli though?I swear to god I went there when I was a young'un but all I can remember is how fucking massive it was.

>>1538011
I honestly hope you die in your sleep.

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>>1537953
I've never heard of more than half of the terms you mentioned man. I just liked the way it looked.

>>1538061
>dude ur on /his/, 80% of this thread has been pseudo historical bs and dickwaving.
This thread and this board doesn't have to be either of those things, and it's our duty to make sure /his/ is a quality board, one quality post at a time.

I went to Qutub Minar, Connaught Place, The Red Fort, The Sikh Gurudwara and two Jain Mandir's in Chandni-Chowk. Tried to go to the Jama Masjid but some fucking Muslims guarding the entrance demanded we pay a fee to get in, even though entrance is free legally. Muslims are the Niggers of India, truly. Went to the Gandhi Museum, went to Khadi shop and then to tailor where I got two shirts made for me. Stayed there for roughly 2 weeks, I was living in a Jain Monastary complex in the northern part of the city, right next to the Ghazipur landfill.

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>>1538098
What is your opinion on the different fees charged for foreigners and locals at major Indian monuments?

>>1538128
It's understandable, as foreigners often have more money and do not have to shoulder the tax burden that the Indian people have supporting these monuments.

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>>1538140
What kind of stupid communist thinking is that?

>>1538098
It doesn't have to, yet it's fucking 4chan, half the twats who come here come because "COOL AND EDGYMEMES".
I try, but sometimes the urge to shitpost is so fucking strong, especially when it's
>SEALION GUIZ
>DAE HOLOHOAX
>MUDSLIMES REE
>VIKINGS
or even
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>
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at this point I think the board is too far gone, should have remained /tg/s schtick desu.

>>1538098
>>1538228
also that sounds neat, my only memories are the Red Fort which was pretty neat and sweating buckets. God I fucking hated India.

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>>1538228
>or even
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>>1537964
Funny roach

>>1538228
I love how /tg/, /lit/, /int/, /gsg/ and /pol/ all claim to have spawned /his/

>>1536748
Go away /pol/
>The Japanese did not do this to the Chinese
See WW2
>The Romans did not do this to the Greeks
Battle of Corinth and the Achaean War

>>1535410
>Have there ever been a historical rival to Muslims in terms of architectural prowess?
Art deco.

>>1535472

Yeah but keep in mind most mosques are grungy little buildings. These tourist sights will definitely allow you in, and so will most other mosques.

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>>1535718
These look like shit.

The best looking Orthodox churches ever are the wooden ones built in bumfuck nowhere.

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>>1538567
>See WW2
The Japanese were appropriating and co-opting European technology, culture, law, military, and everything else they could get from the Western World. China had pretty much zero cultural or technological influence on Japan during WW2, and you're a fucking idiot for thinking that what Japan did for a little over a decade is comparable for what Islam is and has been doing for over one thousand years.

>Battle of Corinth and the Achaean War
>Invade Greeks
>Every single person down to the least respectable Pleb speaks Greek.
>Learning, Speaking, and Reading Greek and Greek things is required for anyone who wants to get an education.
>Emperors/Senators/Consuls/etc quote passages of Greek poems and writers all the time
>Constantly paying homage to Greek rulers and warriors sometimes to the point of obsession
>Co-op Greek gods and allow Greeks to worship their own gods
>Don't linguistically or religiously overpower Greeks
>When your Empire is split, you become the Greeks
>The Greeks became the Romans and stayed like that for almost a thousand years
>This is comparable to the treatment of Christians, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Manicheans, Gnostics, Jews, Zunists and Pagans under Islamic rule and conquest to this day.

>>1536572

Why is maintenance so poor in hindu buildings?

>>1535472
>>1538575
They did not allow me to enter Jama Masjid in India without paying an exorbitant fee, even though entrance into the Mosque is free. This encounter was also punctuated by the fact that I had visited two Jain temples, one Sikh Gurudwara, and one Shiva temple on that very same day and was welcomed.

>>1538586
>The Japanese were appropriating and co-opting European technology, culture, law, military, and everything else they could get from the Western World. China had pretty much zero cultural or technological influence on Japan during WW2, and you're a fucking idiot for thinking that what Japan did for a little over a decade is comparable for what Islam is and has been doing for over one thousand years.
Muh Years

>>1538586
>>This is comparable to the treatment of Christians, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Manicheans, Gnostics, Jews, Zunists and Pagans under Islamic rule and conquest to this day.
They don't even have to pay dhimmi tax anymore in the majority of Islamic countries, what the fuck are you talking about.

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>>1538594
>Muh years.
>Pointing out the disparity in logic when you compare a decade of military occupation in the western world to an over a Millennium of cultural, religious, and sometimes ethnic genocide of countless communities from Indonesia to Spain
>"Muh"

>>1538586
The Caliphates made the Middle East the most cultured place in the medieval world
And compared to Christianity at the time Islam was more progressive when it came to other religions
They could worship and live in peace if they paid a tax unlike Europe at the time where they killed you
Modern extremism is because of the Saudi reaction to the 79 mecca seizure and them exporting Wahhabism
Go away /pol/

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>>1538595
What a relief! Those tolerant Muslims, they don't even have to pay the Dhimmi tax, in MOST Islamic countries! They just have to worry about their priests being slaughtered in Bangladesh, or their women having acid thrown in their face in Pakistan, or their churches being detonated in Pakistan and Iraq, and their cultural heritage being destroyed in Afghanistan, and their temples being constantly under threat in India, and their religious symbols being destroyed and desecrated all over, or their religious scriptures being suppressed in Iran, or their missionaries being arrested, or their governments neighboring them invaded. At least they don't have to pay the Dhimmi tax!

>>1538603
>The Caliphates made the Middle East the most cultured place in the medieval world
Any Empire that stretches from Afghanistan to Portugal is going to have that affect, just like how the Mongols mixed Chinese, Persian, and other artisans, scholars and architects from all over their empire. It still doesn't discount the fact that they were awful, brutal rapists and murderers who killed over 70 million people. The different between the Mongols and the Muslims is that they are still in power and still perpetrating committing atrocities to this day. Also, bear in mind that the Christian world would probably have been just as connected if they still held their territories in the levant, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morrocco, Spain, and Portugal, and all of this provided that they unite under one Empire.
>And compared to Christianity at the time Islam was more progressive when it came to other religions.
By forcefully deducting taxes from them that they could not pay? Why is it that pagan statues of Jupiter and other infidel idols were tolerated and even preserved in such areas as Rome and Greece while Muslims are desecrating and destroying ancient statues and icons to this day? Even the ones dating back to the very beginning of civilization.

>>1538639
Nigga Isis isn't all Muslims
Nobody except Isis likes Isis
Even super fundamentalist Muslims hate Isis
Nobody else destroyed those statues and temples, not the Caliphates or Ottomans

>>1538650
Only, durr, ISIS didn't destroy the Buddha statues, the Taliban, whom the majority of Afghans supported, did it

>>1538661
I was talking about the Temple of Baal and the other stuff in Palmyra
The majority of afghans didn't support the Taliban you fucking dipshit

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>>1538603
>They could worship and live in peace if they paid a tax unlike Europe at the time where they killed you
This was essential because the Muslims conquered so much land, and so many non-Muslim people, at such a fast pace that it would be more advantageous to slowly economically squeeze and destroy them rather than simply murdering them. The Christian conversion of Europe was a slow and centuries long process that frequently involved priests risking their lives to venture into Pagan lands in order to preach.he worst examples of Christian brutality towards Pagans was the Frankish invasions of Saxony, and the Teutonic knights. Even then, this was repayed several times over with multiple Pagan incursions into the Christian world before they themselves willingly converted to Christianity. You might know them as the Vikings, and they raided another Germanic group in Britain that also willingly converted to Christianity. See a pattern? Jews continued to live in such places as Poland all the way into the Modern age without any difficulties.
>Modern extremism is because of the Saudi reaction to the 79 mecca seizure and them exporting Wahhabism
If you're under the delusion that that is the cause for the current Muslim fundamentalism you're insane. The Iranian revolution and the propping up of the Ayatollah was done completely independent of, and in spite of, Saudi interests. Yet it still achieves the same affect.

>>1538650
>Nigga Isis isn't all Muslims
Didn't say that. Most of the examples I posted weren't committed by Isis, in fact, the picture I posted earlier was in Afghanistan, and was conducted by the ruling government which required American intervention to stop. This has been going on long before ISIS.
>Nobody else destroyed those statues and temples, not the Caliphates or Ottomans
The Ottomans desecrated Byzantine Christians, Byzantine art, Byzantine churches, and forcefully conscripted the offspring of non-Muslim families into a slave-soldier force.

>>1538674
>The majority of afghans didn't support the Taliban you fucking dipshit
If that's the case then why did it take American intervention to stop it? I thought the Afghans were good at countering conquerors like the Taliban, wonder why they didn't counter this one? Hmmm.

>Nobody else destroyed those statues and temples, not the Caliphates or Ottomans
I mentioned the Ottomans before, I went through how the Caliphate destroyed Zoroastrian, Zunist, Ethiopian Christian, Nestorian, Egyptian Christian, Visigothic, Suebi, Christian Berber, Jewish Arab, and Pagan works several times, on several posts, in fact, I've been continually mentioning these things, and you seemed to have not listened purposefully, only to repeat questions and statements that I answered before.

It's awfully clear that you're arguing in bad faith or you're stupid, because you wouldn't keep repeating the same points over and over again when I keep giving you answers and rebukes to these points.

>>1538639
Because Afghanistan is the average muslim country

>>1538674
The majority actually did support them. This is how they started out with 20 soldiers in a valley and within two years they took over the whole country.

>>1538698
I can find you the same examples in Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Lebanon. If we're judging Afghanistan's status as an average Muslim country by their willingness to destroy religious idols and cultural monuments that aren't their own, then by all means, it is a very normal Islamic country.

>>1538712
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Some areas of the world are less developed than others, Iconoclasm isn't unique to Islam either.

>>1538675
The Iranian revolution was because they had a brutal dictatorship
And most Iranians today are not satisfied with their government
And the countries that still make people pay dhimmi are backwards as fuck
And Bangladesh arrested all the people in the hacking attacks
And they saved a bunch of hostages in the restaurant
it's a secular country with a bunch of religions
>>1538691
The Afghan population didnt counter conquerers the Taliban did

>>1538712
How come they're only being destroyed now? They must have stood for over 1000 years there, but only recently are they being destroyed.

>>1538716
>Iconoclasm isn't unique to Islam either.

Um yes it fucking is?

I bet you can't name a single culture that does the same fucking shit as they do. Stop sucking Ahmed fucking cock.

>>1538703
Yes, because a deeply conservative place like Afghanistan would rather have that than the Soviets or Americans. How dare they

>>1538500
tbqh the minarets do really complete the structure. I really don't know how, but they do. Maybe because they give a point of reference for how tall the main cathedral is?

>>1538732
They should have a national socialist government that respects the superiority of the white man, not some backward sandnigger shit

>>1538732
>moving the goalposts
The zenith of muslim debating skill everybody

>>1538721
Not him, but here were periods of iconoclasm in the Byzantine Empire and the protestants in the Low Countries were especially bad during the Reformation. Don't let your hate for Islam make you ignorant.

>>1538742
This

>>1538738
Or maybe we are just too used to seeing them there?

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>>1538716
>I don't know what point you're trying to make.
this one >>1536748
>Some areas of the world are less developed than others, Iconoclasm isn't unique to Islam either.
Can you name me one other area of the world where this is happening right now?

>How come they're only being destroyed now? They must have stood for over 1000 years there, but only recently are they being destroyed.
If you want me to go back in time to show you examples of Mohammedans destroying idols and images, I can go all the way back to Mohammad himself. Whether's it's the Mughal Emperor Babur hammering statues of the Jain Tirthankaras, or Aurangzeb destroying every single Hindu temple in the holy city of Varanasi, or the systematic destruction of Zoroastrian monuments, towers, and temples, or the burning, dismantling, or even bombing of Churches from the past on to today. Perhaps the statue was too big for medieval Muslims to bother hiking all the way up there to destroy it? Bombs make everything a lot easier.

>>1538717
>it's a secular country with a bunch of religions
Are you fucking insane? Bangladesh was originally named "East Pakistan." The whole state of Pakistan was created in order to be a home for Muslims in India. Hindus, Buddhists and Jains living there were systemically deported and the country remains at over 90% Muslim to this day, You have no god damn idea what you're talking about.

>The Afghan population didn't counter conquerors the Taliban did
>The Afghan population didn't counter conquerers

>>1538742
A thousand times this.

>>1538675
They OIC tried to spare the Buddhas
Saudi Arabia and the UAE
And the destruction wasn't all bad
After they were destroyed they found 50 caves 12 of which full of paintings
They also found the translation of the original Pratītyasamutpāda

>>1538742
How? You're ranting off that Afghans chose the Taliban, with no understanding or consideration of why beyond, "because they must be bad people".

>>1538748
>this one
Which is a non point. People do bad things, Muslims aren't an exception. You could just as easily write the exact same thing about white people, or Asian people, or Africans.

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>>1538749
>And the destruction wasn't all bad
IT WASN'T ALL BAD GUYS, JUST A SCRATCH AMIRITE? XDDDD
Doesn't fucking matter. They bombed a centuries old religious monument. There are not excuses, why don't we just dismantle King Tut's tomb so we can figure out what's on the other side of the hollow chambers covered by walls?

>>1538753
>non point
The idea that Muslims are exceptionally wantonly violent, barbaric, disgusting and perverted among the world's faiths is definitely a "point." If you think writing about the heinous acts of Muslims all over the world in the modern day is comparable to the acts of Whites at the same time, hang yourself.

>>1535410
The iconoclast zeal of Islam lead Muslim artists to focus on decorating architecture, calligraphy and other crafts.

>>1538745
IM INSANE!?!?
Bengali people fucking hate Pakistan
They fought a whole war against the Pakis because they were massacring Hindus Buddhists and any Muslim that spoke out against it
Look up Operation Searchlight
Calling Bangladesh Pakistan is the most untrue thing ever you must be retarded

>>1538751
Because you. aren't. following. the. argument.
>afghas supported the Taliban
>NO THEY DIDN'T STOP LYING
>actually they did, that's why they grew so fast
>THEY WERE BETTER
The argument was never about why they chose them, just that they did, indeed, choose them

>>1538758
>The idea that Muslims are exceptionally wantonly violent, barbaric, disgusting and perverted among the world's faiths is definitely a "point."
They aren't exceptional though, they're pretty much the norm. Even ISIS are fucking lightweight compared to what humans have done in the past.
>If you think writing about the heinous acts of Muslims all over the world in the modern day is comparable to the acts of Whites at the same time, hang yourself.
Well, the USA has killed more in Iraq and Afghanistan than ISIS have killed, in regards to civilians. So there's that.

>>1538769
I said they did from the start, not my fault you confuse me with another anon.

>>1538761
>iconoclast zeal of Islam
Funny way of saying if you make a picture they'd chop off your head.

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>>1536748
Get a load of this guy

>>1538772
>the USA has killed more in Iraq and Afghanistan than ISIS have killed, in regards to civilians. So there's that
>all the casualties in the Iraqi civil war were killed by the US
top retard, stop posting now.
Iraq after Saddam was a sectarian war between the shias and the sunnis in which the US got caught, leaving all the bodies at their door is disingenuous, but it is what I have come to expect from your kind

>>1538774
...so then why are you butting into random arguments making points no one is arguing about?

>>1538772
Are you counting US deaths as those directly caused by US forces or do you include those killed by US forces during occupation too?

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>>1538772
>They aren't exceptional though, they're pretty much the norm.
>The behavior, opinions, and actions of Muslims in the modern day are pretty much the norm.
Sure pal.
>Well, the USA has killed more in Iraq and Afghanistan than ISIS have killed, in regards to civilians. So there's that.
see >>1538784 also the US was fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, you know, the people who blew up that Buddha?

>>1538741
There is no superiority of the white man
They invite the destruction of their own race and are cucked to oblivion
Anybody that thinks whites are still superior should slit their wrists

>>1538784
>top retard, stop posting now.
Translation: I have no argument, please stop saying things i dislike
>raq after Saddam was a sectarian war between the shias and the sunnis in which the US got caught, leaving all the bodies at their door is disingenuous, but it is what I have come to expect from your kind
I am talking about those killed directly due to the war, which is more than ISIS.
>>1538790
All killed by US forces.

>>1538788
Because this is 4chan.

>>1538792
>>The behavior, opinions, and actions of Muslims in the modern day are pretty much the norm.
We're specifically discussing extremists, stop moving goalposts. Regardless your image proves what exactly? That people from less developed countries believe in less developed things like patriarchy and rule of religion? Well done genius, of course they do.
>also the US was fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, you know, the people who blew up that Buddha?
Only after propping them up against the Soviets though. Created their own enemy.

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>>1538765
>They fought a whole war against the Pakis because they were massacring Hindus Buddhists and any Muslim that spoke out against it
And they're doing the same thing right now

>>1538798
Sorry buddy, but your math is fucking wrong.
Total civilian casualties are 120,000. The US was there for 8 years. For all of those casualties to be US made, that'd mean they were killing an average of 41 civvies a day, every day for all of the 8 years

>>1538806
Here are some polls on what Muslims believe:

Pew Research (2013):

Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

Wenzel Strategies (2012):

58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression

ICM Poll:

40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

Pew Research (2010):

82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

>>1538806
WZB Berlin Social Science Center:

65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

Pew Global (2006)

68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865

World Public Opinion (2009)

51% of Egyptians approve of groups that attack Americans
44% of Indonesians approve of groups that attack Americans
33% of Pakistanis approve of groups that attack Americans
32% of Moroccans approve of groups that attack Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

NOP Research:

62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06

People Press Surveys

31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/

>>1538806
Belgian HLN

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

ICM Poll:

25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp

Pew Research (2007):

26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Al-Jazeera (2006):

49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

>>1538806
Populus Poll (2006):

16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

GfK NOP:

28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research:

68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06

MacDonald Laurier Institute:

62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada

http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

al-Arabiya:

36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html

Gallup:

38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/just-like-us-really

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>>1538798
>Translation: I have no argument, please stop saying things i dislike
Right after that statement he proceeded to say his argument. Holy fuck, are Muslims this used to deceiving other people that they would go to these lows when they're clearly beat?
>I am talking about those killed directly due to the war, which is more than ISIS.
Sorry we saved your people from your own barbaric instincts, at least for a short time, and we're still managing it in Afghanistan, but you can't really blame the US for invading the Taliban or Saddam, considering the things that they've done.

>We're specifically discussing extremists, stop moving goalposts.
No, we are not, the whole discussion from the very beginning was about Muslims in general. >>1536748

>Regardless your image proves what exactly? That people from less developed countries believe in less developed things like patriarchy and rule of religion? Well done genius, of course they do.
>"less developed countrties."
Yes, I'm sure the Catholics in Mexico and central America are planning to bomb those heretical Mayan pyramids to smithereens as we speak!

>>1538808
This is a tiny minority in Bangladesh
And they already arrested a bunch of people in connection to the killings so it's probably gonna stop

>>1538806
>propping them against the Soviets

Soviets left in 89, Taliban was created in 94, by Pakistan if I might add. I found that Afghanistan discussions serve as a great retard filter as the retards are too easy to spot.

>>1538806
Policy Exchange:

1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

Ibm Times:

50% of British muslims want homosexuality criminalised
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/more-50-british-muslims-back-criminalising-homosexuality-icm-poll-reveals-1554126
"Almost half the ethnic Turks living in Germany consider following Islamic teaching more important than abiding by the law, a new survey claims. They also view Islam as the “only true religion” with about one in five justifying violence if it is provoked by the West."

https://www.rt.com/news/347063-germany-turks-islam-law-survey/

Anywho

Damn this was a comfy architecture thread and then /pol/ came and fucked it up
Why can't you stay in your containment board

>>1538832
>muslims/nigs/tankies get BTFO
>fuggen /pol/
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>>1538813
>>1538818
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>>1538809
The US army itself estimates 60,000 killed which is more than ISIS is reported to have killed. You are beat.
>>1538813
I literally don't care because you're missing the central point that the entire world isn't on some magical linear development progression scale where everyone becomes civil and westernised and stops believing stupid backwards things at the same time.
A heck of a lot of Islamic countries are "backwards" compared to western countries, their people believe "backwards" things and they do "backwards" acts. But is this unique and inherent to Islam? No, every group of people on earth has committed the same acts and beliefs at some point or another and many still do today, Muslims are neither unique or an exception, I'd wager you'd find about the same results if you did studies on Sub Saharan, Christian, Africa. But you'd probably blame that on them being "niggers", rather than just less developed. And to be honest, the West is a hypocrite too, for all this talk of being progressive and civilised like claim, a mere 70 years ago Germans committed mass genocide, 70 years is nothing in the scope of humanity despite your short cultural memory, 100 years ago the Belgians murdered 10million Congo people, and today the west despite claiming morale high ground, continues to bomb indiscriminately. There is no black and white here, there is no Evil Muslims vs everybody else good. All humans are shit and do shitty things, Muslims just have the spotlight right now.

And frankly all your sources do is prove that the majority do not believe those things you claim, even if a significant minority do, they are still minority for the most part.

>>1538824
>Sorry we saved your people from your own barbaric instincts, at least for a short time, and we're still managing it in Afghanistan, but you can't really blame the US for invading the Taliban or Saddam, considering the things that they've done.
Do you seriously believe the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan worked and saved those countries? Have you turned on the news any time in the past few years?

The discussion is about Architecture.

>Yes, I'm sure the Catholics in Mexico and central America are planning to bomb those heretical Mayan pyramids to smithereens as we speak!
Nah, just massacre students, skin them alive, chainsaw prisoners, that sort of thing.

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>>1538813
>>1538818
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>>1538827
DELETE THIS

>>1535410
>Thousands of years of spaniards before and after Muslim rule in Spain and their defining monuments are castles and mosques made by Muslims

clearly retarded

>>1538836
mate it's an architecture thread

if you made a thread about how to fry a good steak

and I came in posting about how obesity is rife in america and completely de-railed your thread, you'd be pretty annoyed

>>1538838
O S H I T

/POL/ B T F O

T H E L I B S W O N T H I S O N E

D R O P P E D A F U C K I N G P A R A G R A P H

>>1538843
>>1538851
>damage control!

>>1538852
I'm not a liberal at all, I'm just not a follower of progressivism like most critics of Islam seem to be.

>>1538838
>The US army itself estimates 60,000 killed which is more than ISIS is reported to have killed
Source? All death counts I've found don't differentiate between those killed US and those killed by insurgents.
And the math STILL isn't on your side.
That's 20 civvies killed by the US every day, for 8 years straight.

I think I'd have heard of the US running death camps of this size.

Not to mention the butthurt over that wikileaks cover up story, and Bush would have been impeached a long time ago

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>>1538843
>Nah, just massacre students, skin them alive, chainsaw prisoners, that sort of thing.
Thing is, they're not going out of their way to destroy centuries old cultural religious monuments that just happen not to be of their own. That's the major distinction here.

>Do you seriously believe the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan worked and saved those countries? Have you turned on the news any time in the past few years?
Not invading Afghanistan would have resulted in more bloodshed and worse, more historical monuments being destroyed. While the Iraq war was not nearly as successful in terms of preventing ARCHITECTURE and other historical things from being destroyed, it still established a Western-style government that is actively destroying ISIS as we speak. In all honesty, I don't really care about any military action so long as it preserves historical monuments and heritage sites, if the invasion of Afghanistan could have saved one more archaeological site from disaster, then I am happy. It still doesn't detract from the point that it is the Muslims who destroyed all of these monuments. If a fucking American invasion in your shitty country over a decade ago causes your people to chimp out and destroy ancient Assyrian/Roman ruins and archaeological sites and museums, then there is something seriously wrong with your people. Didn't see the Serbians/Croatians/Albanians destroying each others cultural sites and castles when they warred against each other AND the Americans stepped in.

>>1538838
>A heck of a lot of Islamic countries are "backwards" compared to western countries, their people believe "backwards" things and they do "backwards" acts. But is this unique and inherent to Islam? No, every group of people on earth has committed the same acts and beliefs at some point or another
Have.
Every group of people HAVE done this.
Not ARE.

>>1538856
What?

>>1538843
Iraq was doomed to suffer after the gulf war

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Could we keep /pol/ out of the discussion for once and just discuss architecture?

Just don't reply to their posts, it's as simple as that.

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>>1538838
>And frankly all your sources do is prove that the majority do not believe those things you claim, even if a significant minority do, they are still minority for the most part.
>Surveys conducted by the most reputed pollsters and statisticians of the Muslim people show a majority of Muslims believe in a certain thing
>"This only proves that it's a minority!"

>>1538868
You're on a fucking history and humanities board, and you're butthurt that people are discussing the HISTORY of Islam and Islam itself?

>>1538868
They simply can't keep their ideology out of any discussion
They are worse than internet communists

>>1538838
>significant minority
Nearly all of these are either close to 50, or over it. Denial is not just a river in Egypt

>>1538872
You're on a fucking history and humanities board, and you're butthurt that people are meta-posting about HISTORY and HUMANITIES?!

>>1538876
Ebin.
Reddit is down the hall and to your left

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>>1538872
Stfu you leftie shit, this is an ARCHITECTURE thread. Not a whine about humanities, Islam and /pol/ thread. Just stop replying to them.

>>1538877
Not an argument

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>>1538877
>8877

>>1538838
Half of my statistics are Western muslim men.

>>1538852
>Writes a paragraph full of false equivalencies and strawmans
>b-b-b-b-btfo!...
Not remotely /pol/, I just recognise cancer when I see it.

>>1538888
Double Hitlers confirm, muslims eternally BTFO

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>>1538888
Checked

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>>1538899
>>1538900

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>>1538888
>>1538888
>>1538888
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>>1538888

islam's greatest architecture is a copy of a Byzantine one

lol

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>>1538827
>http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf
>http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
Maybe you guys would be better off just listing the second source since the first one kinda gives away the spin.

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>>1538916
You do know that pretending to be a mod is grounds for a permaban right?

Better delete this post right now or there will be consequences

>>1538599
Not that guy, but the recent atrocities in Indonesia had nothing to do with Islam. They were politically motivated and was carried out in the name of stamping out communism. It's also common and unclassified knowledge now that the ragtag gang leaders that became the de facto leaders of Indonesia received funds and arms from NATO.

I am not trying necessarily to negate your point and in general I think that Islam promotes a toxic culture that civilization should actively resist. For the record.

>>1538922
>He checks every source
>One mistake
It's all a ruse guys!

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>>1538924
>implying I'm pretending to be a mod and not just laying down ground rules to frogposters like you

>>1536748
>the Romans did not do this to the Greeks, etc

hahahahahahahaha

>>1538930
>every source
Nah, I just thought the 34% figure looked interesting and checked that out. Anyway you guys should try doing your own research instead of copy pasting stuff all the time.

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>>1538933
>implying I didn't recognize your shitty reddit copypasta

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>>1538949
>implying I go on reddit and you're not just trying to slide the discussion

>>1538943
Romans were civilised though. They NEVER stole culture, only incorporated it.

>>1538968
Meant for
>>1538937

Muslims really didn't have any other good art so they had to put all their artistry into mosaics and architecture

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>>1536748
This is correct. The buttmad leftists/mudshits that keep replying confirm that.

>>1538128
Literally every country gives discounts to locals when they visit their own fucking monuments.

>>1538758
In the late 19th and early 20th century, Europeans bombarded and razed an arbitrary number of foreign cities and monuments, with the Japs and commies soon finishing the job in Asia.
Muh Buddhas is nothing compared to the destruction of the Summer Palaces in Beijing, sacked and burned by the Brits and French out of sheer butthurt.

>>1539586
Victor Hugo:

"There was, in a corner of the world, a wonder of the world; this wonder was called the Summer Palace. The Summer Palace was to chimerical art what the Parthenon is to ideal art. All that can be begotten of the imagination of an almost extra-human people was there. It was not a single, unique work like the Parthenon. It was a kind of enormous model of the chimera, if the chimera can have a model. Imagine some inexpressible construction, something like a lunar building, and you will have the Summer Palace. Build a dream with marble, jade, bronze and porcelain, frame it with cedar wood, cover it with precious stones, drape it with silk, make it here a sanctuary, there a harem, elsewhere a citadel, put gods there, and monsters, varnish it, enamel it, gild it, paint it, have architects who are poets build the thousand and one dreams of the thousand and one nights, add gardens, basins, gushing water and foam, swans, ibis, peacocks, suppose in a word a sort of dazzling cavern of human fantasy with the face of a temple and palace, such was this building. The slow work of generations had been necessary to create it. This edifice, as enormous as a city, had been built by the centuries, for whom? For the peoples. For the work of time belongs to man. Artists, poets and philosophers knew the Summer Palace; Voltaire talks of it. People spoke of the Parthenon in Greece, the pyramids in Egypt, the Coliseum in Rome, Notre-Dame in Paris, the Summer Palace in the Orient. If people did not see it they imagined it. It was a kind of tremendous unknown masterpiece, glimpsed from the distance in a kind of twilight, like a silhouette of the civilization of Asia on the horizon of the civilization of Europe.

This wonder has disappeared."

>>1535733
It was ripped from both the Byzantine/Eastern Romans and Persians yeah, but the Sassanids themselves were hugely influenced by the Arsacid dynasty who came before them. One of the major hallmarks of Mosques and Palaces are the vaulted four way corridors that lead to an open courtyard or garden area. Also a lot of geometric interior artwork stems from Sassanid days which survive in some Sassanid structures to this day in Iran and Iraq.

>>1535442
That looks so cool.

>>1537329
Corrupt-ass Saudi monarchy. If there's ever a civil war Mecca will get destroyed and they'll fuck over the entire Islamic population of the world. Idiots.

>>1536992
That man is a Zoroastrian actually

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>>1538587

A lot of Hindu temples are 1000+ years old and have endured Monsoons, Muzzie and Bong invasions. However, there has been a trend recently to rebuild old temples razed to the grounds. Pic related is Somnath temple, which was destroyed in 725 AD and rebuilt in 1950.

>>1538838
>All humans are shit and do shitty things, Muslims just have the spotlight right now.
Don't do that, don't just generalize humanity to justify the actions of Islamism.

Islam needs to be eradicated, and that will be the clarion call or else you will be reciting the shahada

>>1536369
That looks like it belongs in Star Wars.

>>1536748
Are you asking me to list the number of religions and countries that were fucked up by Christians? Or are you one of those idiots who think you can disregard the centuries and millennia of cultural development that got a culture to where it is today?

>>1538587
The temple in that pic is ancient.

>>1538852
/pol/ is immune to logic that goes against its own poorly conceived logic, they can't be BTFO because they're too intellectually dishonest to notice or understand it.
>>1538871
Believing Sharia Law is the best law is one thing, anon. It's fine that most Muslims do. It's their legal right to do so. It's when they start to break the law in order to follow or institute Sharia Law that they do wrong, and the majority don't do that, and when they do, and are caught, they're punished according to law, except when inbred Brit local police fail to understand that nobody of relevance decries the punishment of organized child rape, no matter how pro-immigration they are, save some tiny number of actually insane people.

>>1538098
>This thread and this board doesn't have to be either of those things
Its inevitable - its 4chan

>>1538863
>it's happening TODAY so it's different
>history is just fiction guys you shouldn't take it into consideration when reflecting on TODAY
And we "stopped" (citation because it's not like Europe or America's prosperity the last century hasn't leaned heavily on a multitude of aggressive and immoral acts in the Arab world) after a long fucking history of what in the modern day is called, rather hypocritically, atrocities. Sure, we're more secular than most Muslim cultures. How? So much fucking war and killing to redefine the power structures of involved countries. Were WE TODAY involved? No, but we reap the benefits, or consequences, all the same, and so do they for ours and their own actions there. Muslims are more prone to killing their daughters for fucking the wrong guy? I'm with you, I disagree with the practice. But what do you hope to do by opposing mostly non-violent cultural exchange between Arab cultures and European/American secular cultures? Do you think that will promote Westernization of the Arab world? That in a generation Europeans will have converted to extremist Islam because there's a Muslim minority? What do you even think ISIS bomb shit in France and Germany and say it's immigration that's at fault? Because they LIKE immigration or cultural exchange with secular societies? Have you ever stopped to think what purpose ISIS might have in wanting to close the borders between Arab and non-Arab countries?

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>>1535419
>Those lights

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Haha, time for a small dump.

>>1536134
No

>>1535439
Disney-land tier

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>>1535709
Same thing happened to the church in Nicosia

>>1536903
Photoshopping ugly architecture doesn't really fix it

>>1536748
>The cambodians didnt invade and descrate the indians and their religion
but they did their own people
>The japanese didnt do this to the Chinese
First thing Hideyoshi did once he was united was attack China/Korea
>Romans did not do this to the Greeks
They sure did wage a lot of wars with them

>>1536748
>the Romans did not do this to the Greeks
They literally ruined some of the greatest Greek cities. They went full Carthage on Corinth. You're talking shite maite.

>>1538748
bangladesh literally split off from pakistan on linguistic lines you mongoloid.

>>1538748
So I guess it's nothing when the us nukes 500 year old castles
And when the French and Britbongs sack the summer palaces for no fucking reason
The alt right is so fucking annoying

>>1535410
Great question.

In India, I'd assume it's because Muslim rulers brought new Arab, Persian, and Byzantine techniques to a region which already had a well-established architectural tradition, allowing for a synthesis that encouraged innovation.

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>>1535410
You do know that most of the hindu architecture was destroyed during the muslim invasions?

Plus most of the Mughal architects were Indian and so were the workers

>>1539586
>Europeans destroyed a European palatial estate that happened to be located in China.
>Meanwhile China steals European space plane technology.

The first invader of China will probably be a pissed-off Finnish Aerodynamicist. He/She will destroy the Chinese space plan, a carbon copy of the British one, and then more retarded apologists like you will say:

>Oh no poor Ching-Chong. Bad Finooömïlïmåël, bad! Oh, come here poor Chong-Chong.

Every non-Western society, even Mexico, slaughters its intelligentsia and props-up populism that benefits the regime. What the fuck is wrong with you, thinking you and I are inferior or equals to any non-Westerner?

At least we try to pretend American architecture is not awful. If you were Arab or Chinese and criticized the prince(ling)'s latest supermegagiga project, you get assaulted, your wife raped, your children beat and your car tires slashed. Daily. By your neighbors. In broad daylight. Without remorse.

If I criticize Trump, the worst that can happen is assassination, a-la new!chekov, and even then that acts as Christianly-just pretext, an eye for an eye, to assassinate back.

>>1538861
Saddam Hussein spent a small fortune renovating the ruins of Babylon. The united states decided to turn it into their LANDING strip.

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>>1536748
>contributes literally nothing
>rants on about popular biased opinion

Nigga don't. Post architecture or gtfo.

>>1535750
I'm surprised but not disappointed.

>>1537964
I have to say they do compliment it well. It looks kinda bare without them.

>>1535856
What's that supposed to be, Hagia Sophia?

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>its a /his/ gets triggered about Muslims and desperately tries to deny their numerous achievements and chalk it up to pure coincidence episode

>>1537970
Literally this.

>>1545305
>>>/pol/

>>1545305
>>1545320
>posts his niggerly opinions in an architecture thread

fuck off redditor

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>>1545280
Fuck Moors, the fact you make appeals to non Moors is proof Moors are shit.

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>>1545321

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>>1545323

>>1545305
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>>1545336
Are pollacks aware nobody wants to come to their shit country anyways?

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>>1545340
Good (but not really the case), stay away Muslim scum.

>>1545340
As a pole this really make me sad. We have like 0.1% muslim population and all this retard nationalist are like HURRR POLAND STRONK NO ISLAMISATION WE HATE MUSLIM

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>>1545384
Fucking idiot.

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>>1545404

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>>1545406

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>>1545407

>>1545404
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>>1545408
Fuck off

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>>1545414
Eat a dick pedofile-mass-murdering-warlord worshipper.

>>1535983

What's your favorite food?

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Niggers, I just wanted a comfy architecture thread.

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>>1535410

>Your religion doesnt allow you to build 128 m (420 ft) statues of your prophet

Shit tier religion famalamam

>>1542929

wtf are you even talking about bitch? do you think that south of the rio grande becomes hell on earth? what a poor sheltered little blonde shit you are m8, really.

>>1535415
Muslims destroyed whatever greatness the Hindus had.

Chinese sources mention great universities and temples before the Arbized-Persian-Mongols invaded India

I swear to god Indians are annoying as shit. Today everyone looks at Islam, shits on Islam, shits on Arabic Culture, shits on this, and on that, that's just the Jews putting a spotlight on us. Indian hindu culture is shit, sati still happens, the caste system didn't disapear, and you still kill people over cow meat or being muslim. go fuck yourselves, india is shit. anyway, not like the west is much better, your cultures are literally built upon sucking dick, you allow gays/trans to change biological fact, and allow women to take control of the country your ancestors (men) built from the ground up. youre all faggots.

>>1538818
>>1538813
you do realise how small these numbers are? 32% want sharia = the majority dont want sharia or are unsure. as for adulterers, sorry but they should be crucified. Marriage is a contract, you break it, sorry bud you gotta die. Really all this says to me, as a muslim, is that we're not cucked. Lol. stealing an object is a crime, but breaking a heart isnt?

>>1546772
t.Muhamad sister fucker ali

There is so much bs in your statement I don't even know if you trolling or are an inbred Muslim

>>1546836
>says im wrong
>doesnt prove im wrong
go fuch yourself fred

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

mughals even banned this shit you shit shitting monkey

>>1535413
That looks just like a mosque in isfahan.

>>1538691
Why didnt the afghans destroy the statues the centuries before the taliban where the statues stood while centuries of muslim rule?

>>1546849
It's not practiced anymore now is it retard? You could argue the same thing about my country by talking about with trails but we don't do that anymore now do we?

It wasn't followed by everyone either. Dis you even read your own link? I swear to god muslims are worthless rats, atleast Pajeet are contributing something to society what the fuckbare you arab fucks doing except rape and terrorism?

>>1547134
caste system is, so is sati although sati is more prevalent in rural areas. ive been to india, more than once to pick out maids. anyway, at least we're fucking women, all you guys do is jack off to the WOMEN WE FUCK

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>all these MIDFs in this thread
I don't care what poo in loos do in their countries, but atleast they usually keep that shit within their own borders. Kebab are just cancer with infect every society they touch.

>>1546772
Don't forget bestiality :^)

>>1538838

> OH YEAH WELL IME AND MY BUDDIES MIGHT HAVE RAPED AND MURDERED PEOPLE NOW BUT MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE THIS AND SOME OF THEM WHERE YOUR BUDDIES LIKE 500 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!