why didn't china industrialise when europeans did or conquer-colonise

>>1521943
chingchongs were all like dirty white devils out REEEEEE

>Chink thread everyday

I don't know how many RMB you get for one thread like this, Cheng

>>1521943
too busy fiddling korean DICK

the reformation

>>1521943
why is taiwan red in that map

Many issues.

First, the europeans tried limiting the scientific/technological knowledge transfers.

Second, the internal courts had two sides, the conservatives old timers and the modernists.

Third, the state of the government, which was rife with corruption due to the illegal Opium flooding the market.

Fourth, the inability of the government to fix this issue due to war from European nations that want China to fall over.

>>1522203
Because it's a part of Qing China?

I wonder how it would have been with all the pink territories as part of Russia.

>>1522280
>under Ming dynasty

>>1521991
so how did the PRC discover 4chan?
was it after hiroshimoot got to buy it? Does the PRC consider 4chan to be rightful chinese cyberclay?

>>1522288
>who is Zheng Chenggong

>>1522288
Ming conquered it. Kicked out the Dutch pirates that tried to set up shop there too.

>>1521943
Because of the eternal Altaic

Fuck the god damn Manchus. If they hadn't fucked up so monumentally hard the world would've been a very different place.

>>1521943
one reason: labor was so cheap because they were so many that there was no need for machines.

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>another China thread

>>1522288
Sorry, I'm a retard

>>1522289
Maybe they think they can convert 4chan into their personal army. Lots of potential "one china" shitposters in here

Europe went through a series of weird but fortunate events

>tribes forming into states to quickly that tribal notions of egalitarianism and equal rights became part of the legal code
>tribalistic legal codes surviving in monarchies
>the near abolition of slavery
>the existing order of the continent being shattered, once by the Roman empire collapsing, once by the black death
>merchant confederations becoming so powerful that they create entire systems of government to protect themselves, using the republic because nobles and monarchs tend to steal private property
>never unifying politically, which means that technology and society had to constantly advance because of military competition
>discovering huge territories full of natural resources whose people couldn't defend them
>having a phonetic alphabet that made the movable type printing press dramatically more useful than it was in the east
>developing the steam engine at a time when the legal conditions were perfect for entrepreneurs and inventors to make their fortunes, and in a country that had huge amounts of iron and coal, and the world's most developed ironworks
>the scientific revolution
>the enlightenment (just saying these words is enough to trigger half the board

The TL;DR is that if you look at a society and think "that would be a good place to start a business" than odds are it will end up rich and powerful, because it uses its resources very efficiently. If you think "I couldn't run a food truck here, much less an industrial concern" then it is likely to stay poor.

This is true today, as evidenced by things like the ease of doing business index.

>>1521943
It did conquer most of Asia just look at its incredible size and how long it managed to maintain that.

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>>1522203
>>1522280
>>1522288

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>>1524867
Never change, /his/.

>>1521943
Christianity culturally unifying Europe deterred an empire from forming. Feudalism gradually evolved into nationalism, but there was little interest in unifying Europe into a single political entity.

Furthermore, having more coasts relative to interior were favorable to nation states forming. As was the alps. The mountains and narrow corridor separating Iberia from France was another geographical boundary conducive to nation states forming.

Similarly, having lots of coast relative to interior encouraged sea travel. Once the colonization occurred, specialization became possible. More importantly, colonization increased competition between nation states. Although, Christianity deterred outright conquest of fellow Europeans.

Discovering new people, particularly large cities and empires provided impetus as well. Industrialization was necessary to gain power. Knowing the great feats of others instills a desire to surpass them.

Furthermore, the rise of mathematics thanks to philosophers such as Rene Descartes made Europeans better engineers. This includes both those who studied cutting edge math, and those who knew others who did. Suffice to say there was a cultural shift.

Even earlier, Europeans became more more preoccupied with empirical evidence thanks to Copernicus, Galileo and others. Man was able to think beyond dogma, and contemplate new possibilities. Observation was combined with creativity, reaching new heights.

>>1524693
Thanks to dumb Manchus, China have that big of territory

If not because of them, chinks would only stayed on the red colored territory. So yeah, fuck the manchus

>>1521943
Lack of cash capital. Really that had been a issue for them since around the early 15th century when the bottom fell out of their paper money. It makes taxation, large scale trade, and paying salary all harder. The goal of the voyages of Zheng He to get sliver to be made into coinage. One of the reasons that the Ming started to close off marine trade was because it appears that they were losing a net amount of sliver and gold. When marine trade restarted the Qing tried very hard to make sure they would have a positive net intake of sliver. At that point they were near to industrialization in some of their seaboard cities. Then the Opium trade happend.


> what was the secret of the europeans

Aztec blood gold. European had similar issues to what china had since the 1280s. The intake of gold from the new world fixed the problem. The growth of the power of the state in the 16th century in European starts to take off the same time gold and sliver starts to make it back home.

>>1524959
>>Christianity culturally unifying Europe deterred an empire from forming.
lol no it didn't. The complete collapse of the previous empire followed by a bunch of barely developed tribes occupying land and endlessly warring with each other did.

>>Although, Christianity deterred outright conquest of fellow Europeans.
lol no.

>>1522203
Are you retarded?

>>1522203
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/military/17cen/taiwan16611662.html

Because the Ming conquered it and held it for decades?

>>1521943
You literally posted a map outlining Chinese military conquests in the 18th century.

>>1522203
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Zeelandia

>>1525460
>barren desert where no one lives
>barren steppes where barely anyone lives
>barren mountain range where barely anyone lives
>military conquests

Yeah I mean I guess playing ping-pong with yourself does automatically qualify you as the winner.

1525475
(You)

>>1522203
Ahh the quality of /his/ posters in China threads

>>1525475
Just like European Colonialsm.

>>1525475
>>barren desert where no one lives
>>barren steppes where barely anyone lives
>>barren mountain range where barely anyone lives
are we listing European colonial conquests?

>>1525478
embarrassing

>>1521943
europe had a thousand years of roman boots to stand in

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china was far more isolated topographically than the west

think of the mediteranian like a slut getting bukkaked repeatedly for thousands of years

"rapid progress"

>>1525700
aaaand you're a dumbass.
Romans were successful due to their culture as a people. Have you never studied the second punic war or roman philosophy?
The peoples which followed Rome in the west also adopted similar culture and over time their cultures refined to be more like that of Rome. You can find a fine example of high roman mindset in protestantism to a good degree bizarrely enough.
It's not about riding the roman wake, it's about the European mindset and ability simply being better. Before India was cucked by Buddhism which stagnated it and later allowed them to be cucked by Islam, they were a powerhouse civilization developing shit left and right. That's because the cultural norms which bound their civilization was conducive to advancement rather than stagnation. Confucianism and Buddhism were ultimately detrimental to Chinese society.
Deal with it. Some cultures are dogshit.

>>1524812
Topkek, you know history but have it bound by a delusional narrative m8. Try again.

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this >>1525732

I've answered this question several times before.

http://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/r7m7AifyS6Sy6jCD_a4f6w/

>>1521943
For some reason gooks are willing to follow blindly the authority. This is why they never developed modern free market as we know it because the "emperor" was the stone in the middle of the road.

In the other hand euros have been really hostile against their liders,(French rev, the rebellion of the German peasants etc..)

One additional fact is that most of the bloodiest wars were fought in China but not for freedom, but for some ruling dynasty.

>>1525793
>In the other hand euros have been really hostile against their liders,(French rev, the rebellion of the German peasants etc..)

The Chinese overthrew emperors too, though.

>One additional fact is that most of the bloodiest wars were fought in China but not for freedom, but for some ruling dynasty.

Most of Europe's bloodiest wars were fought for retarded reasons that had nothing to do with freedom either.

>>1525808
Most of them, but the ones which fought for freedom and a "system change" are the ones that matter.

Is true that they overthrow emperors and Kings, but only to place an other ruler, just like Europe did, but the few war for freedom and system change, made the difference

>>1525793
God I hate this meme.
It's the fucking opposite, China has seen more than its share of rebellions and they were more widespread than the European ones and they involved more the population, even proportionally to the size of the country.
And yes, many of them of them wanted systemic change. Fuck, replacing a dynasty essentially equaled systemic change. Marx was a moron because the Chinese changed their modes of production with every dynasty, from feudal serfdom and forced labor to free-market private landowners and hired labor to collectivized totalitarian systems and weird hybrid systems, they cycled through that shit for thousands of years.
Japan was about as schizophrenic too but they did it without popular revolts apparently.

Someone needs to make a list of actual Chinese reform(ers) and revolutions instead of the traditional monarch lists.

>>1525872
>Change of dynasty
>Change of system
>Relaying more on the ruling class than the idea of change
What matter is the unorganized(at first unorganized) revolt of the people, like the French rev and the rebellion of the German peasants

Thanks for supporting my argument

>>1525891
Please never post about history again.

>>1525895
>why didn't china industrialise when europeans did or conquer-colonise at least asia.

then what is the answer?

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>>1524812
>having a phonetic alphabet that made the movable type printing press dramatically more useful than it was in the east

Pretty much this. The Chinese had woodblock print in the 3rd century and movable type by the 12th and yet by they 19th century the number of printed books (albeit some being rather large as fuck) being in the few hundreds of thousands.

Meanwhile in Europe...

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>>1521943

What is the secret of a powerful society of a specific race who conquer the whole world? Believe it or not, there is a hidden, non human, hand behind ANY global power. Its not a human achievement, low brainers.

>>1525991
Basically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-level_equilibrium_trap

But see rather Gang Deng's The Premodern Chinese Economy for a much better explanation of "structural equilibrium."

>>1525891
Dude there were peasant revolts all the time. You know nothing about chinese history.
>>1525895
This

>>1525891

Do know that the french revolution was financed by jews and was the first step of Judeas plan to overthrow white people? If we still had Kings and Emperors like Bismark or Louis IX the french and german people wouldn't be a minority in their own countries like now.

>>1525834

see >>1526762

>>1526762
Well, it may be /pol/.

>>1526006
They didn't have access to forests they can cut off on widescale and make paper for overconsumption.

Meanwhile Europe colonized forested areas across the world and leeched off of that natural resources.

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>>1527029
??

China is the 3rd largest producer of lumber in the world. Those same forests have been there for thousands of years. The chinese have had massive amounts of paper available and even used it for building materials

>>1521943

Whites were superior

>>1527029
>They didn't have access to forests they can cut off on widescale and make paper for overconsumption.
Yeah, let's ignore the fact that by the 1300s, they were making toilet paper.

>>1525793
Nice meme

>>1527183
More like 500 or 600. Maybe they were mass-producing it by 1300.

>In 589, the Chinese scholar-official Yan Zhitui (531-591) wrote: "Paper on which there are quotations or commentaries from Five Classics or the names of sages, I dare not use for toilet purposes".[9] An Arab traveler to China once wrote of the curious Chinese tradition of toilet paper in 851, writing: "... [the Chinese] do not wash themselves with water when they have done their necessities; but they only wipe themselves with paper".