Why is it still socially acceptable to be a marxist/socialist/communist

>>1518986
>socially acceptable
It's not, really. At least in the US. It's common enough to find alienated teenagers who self-identify as "communists" but that doesn't mean it's socially acceptable. In fact it kind of implies the opposite.

>>1518986
>muh good intentions

>>1518986
>implying anyone takes any of those delusional shitters seriously
>m-muh proletariat r-revolutions guise

>>1518990
I'm assuming you're one of the lucky ones living in a red community then? In the vast majority of areas of the US if you're in the age group of 16-30 and you're not a socialist you're considered the most evil person on Earth

>>1518999
Not really, no. I grew up in Cleveland, OH, which alone can swing the entire state blue in the elections. I went to a small liberal arts college which was crawling with these people. But it's just youth. Older people don't bother with that silly shit, and if they do it's just to make money off of impressionable kids who will buy like that "Communist Party" tshirt where Mao and Lenin are drinking out of red plastic cups.

>>1518999
America is not a North Sea fjord clusterfuck that's 90% coasts.

I live in South America and I think that every so-called socialist spoiled, sheltered middle class brat deserves to live under a socialist tyranny because death is too light a punishment for him/her.

>>1518999
That's because socialist means new deal welfare state to them. It's that simple.

>>1519022
Most major metro areas are extremely leftist

>>1519044
Just because more voters in urban areas vote for the Democrat party doesnt mean that the whole "metro area" is "extremely leftist." I think you're understanding of people's politics is kind of warped and super reductive.

>>1519044
No, they are extremely black / spic. Those are the guys voting for the Democrats but they're really no commies, actually blacks are extremely socially conservative and vote Blue only because of gibsmedats.

>>1518999
>democrats are now socialists

What a meme.

>>1519081
Thanks for understanding my point of "16-30" dumbass. The socialists are the youngins who then graduate to moderate democrats when they finally reach adulthood

>>1519080
Ok? What does that have to do with my post

>>1518999

Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I've ever read in my life.

>>1519098
Welcome to the ridiculousness of the US millennials

>>1519098
I know. Leftists are ridiculous and should be drowned in the ocean.

The majority illusion in social networks
https://arxiv.org/abs/1506.03022

>>1518986

They're both filth, at least in the case of Eastern Europe.The Bolsheviks have butchered at least 55 million, the Germans on the other hand have killed at least 38 million and have destroyed 84% of all of material property in Eastern Europe.

>>1519024
Why are spoiled brats roleplaying as commies so popular here in South America? I swear, every teenager I see talking about politics is either a "communist" or an indigenist or both. The only nationalist I know looks like a jew.

>>1518999
>>1519081
>>1519086
>>1519105

I am a millennial and this is just blatantly false.

A very short few years ago I was in High School (in a pretty liberal area I might add) and everyone laughed at the edgy self-proclaimed commies.

As soon as they started in on their shit someone would reply with "Holodomor!" or "don't you know Communism doesn't work?" or "Go to China then".

>>1519105
>This generation!
kys

I am 18 years old.

I live in a fairly liberal place.

I have never met a single "communist."

Maybe this will change when I go to university next month, but saying it's "socially acceptable to be a communist" is simply and factually incorrect, at least in the United States amongst non-retards.

Calling yourself a socialist is a whole different story, socialism, at least amongst my generation, is more associated with Scandinavia and Bernie Sanders than the distant regimes of the past.

>>1518986
>Karl Marx - Jew
>Vladimir Lenin - Jew
>Leon Trotsky - Jew

Hmmmm... I wonder why there isn't the same stigma attached to Communism as Fascism?

>>1519259
Karl Marx's parents converted to Christianity before he was born.

>>1519270
still a jew

>>1519252

I'm not having a pop at you but this whole "Scandinavia is Socialist" thing is also massive bullshit.

http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/list/#tab:overall

>>1519289
Well I mean undoubtedly subsidized higher education and medical care are socialist policies, and more than we have in the US. Just because they wont confiscate your business and private property doesnt mean they dont implement socialist economic policies

>>1518986
>Romanovs
>Innocent
I agree that killing the entire family was kind of a dick move but still.
>Confusing Stalinism with socialism
kek and also ignoring that the Soviet Union got much better after he died.
>Confusing Maoism with socialism
kek
>Confusing what Pol Pot did with socialism
kek

Also, what is Catalonia circa 1937?

>>1519303

Socialism is about the workers owning the means of production. Welfare states were actually developed as part of capitalism.

Just to be clear to anyone that wants to start shitposting at me, I moderate right wing, I'm not a Socialist defending Socialism. It just helps to actually understand what you are arguing against.

>>1519308
>no true scotsman fallacy

Not an argument.

>>1519281
But no?

He didn't even like Jews.

And calling Lenin a Jew is dumb. He was one fourth Jewish and never from a practicing family.

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>>1519308
Oh shit here comes the not real socialism brigade!

>>1519214
I tend to find among most lefty millennials not so much an embrace of socialism but rather a dislike of capitalism. These two don't necessarily imply the other.

Some of them want gibsmedats, it's true, but others are just turned off by all the facts about how shitty capitalism has become lately. Such as all the income gains going to a very small minority of people, politics being bought out, corporations jacking up the price of healthcare and so on, the rising cost of living while wages remain stagnant.

This is especially true for millennial coming from the lower classes, as they know their shot of a good prosperous life is vanishing.

The ones who feel this way usually want a welfare state rather than a socialist system. These are not the same.

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>>1519386
>>1519308

>>1519308
>SOCIALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED
I guess capitalism has never been tried either.

>>1518999
Dial down the hyperbole, bud.

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>>1519552

>>1519386
The problem with Venezuela is that their entire economy is built on one thing so they could be in any economic system and none of it matters, only how good the one product is

>>1519724
>wow look at this idiot on twitter he represents all of the socialists

>>1518986
Because communism/socialism at its core wants the best for the common people, while fascism is about keeping all the resources/power to a small defined group.

>>1518986
I have no idea what planet you're on. It isn't socially acceptable to be either a Commie or a Fascist anywhere. I'm pretty sure most Commies/Nazis are social outcasts or autists hence why they follow the most edgy political ideologies.

>>1520084
>what is every communist dictatorship that ever existed

>>1518986
Because Communism, whether you believe in its practices and possibility not, at heart is based around improving the lives of the majority and reducing inequality.

Facism from most ethical standpoints is inherently immoral.

Again, this doesnt mean I'm a communist, I do have leftist leanings, but it's easy to see why Communism from a purely ideological standpoint can be viewed as moral.

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>>1519252
>I live in a fairly liberal place.
>I have never met a single "communist."
No shit, sherlock.

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>>1519252
>Bernie Sanders
>Socialist

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>>1518986
At least in the west, it isn't socially acceptable to be a communist at all. I know this for a fact. There used to be a clique of self-identified Marxists who were in my AP Psych class in HS. They were complete social outcasts and everybody, including the teacher, thought they were insufferable. They were incredibly smug and talked down to anyone who disagreed with their shite ideology. It doesn't really help that most far-leftists (Anarchist, "Revolutionary" Socialists, MLs) are all literal autists either.

>>1519350
>no true scotsmeme

what is socialism anon?

>>1519184
>Muh privliege
>I dont deserve it
>look at all those hardw0rking peasants
>they deserve better
They have this romantized view of workers as noble and honest, its a kind of racism(believing all who doesnt earn X amount is oppressed and share Y values, Y values being left) which is bullshit, they lack the experience to think of people as individuals and the knowledge to understand that everything is not black and white, all people have different "realities" that in the end are the same, when you mature you start to realize that money isnt the key to a healthy and meaningfull life, your interests and the people around you create your reality and "yourself"

>>1518986
because the one is racist/nationalist while the other isn't

and being a racist/nationalist in a multicultural and connected world is harmful to society

>>1520096
Not Real Communism™

>>1520128
Pretty much anyone who isn't a conservative/liberal is just a LARPer. Some ideologies like communism are autistic LARPers though.

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>>1519308
oh look, it's a teen trotskyist

>>1519350
>>1519386
>>1519589
I don't agree with his position and I'm not defeing communism but he actually implied that Catalonia was a functioning example, so he is not claiming that there was never socialism.

>>1519350
>>1519386
>>1519589
>>1520174
Go read Homage to Catalonia and then come back.

>>1519325
moderat?
the government taxing over 50% of all BNP in Sweden and redisturbing it isnt socialism?
10% goes to heathcare
10% goes to school system
11% goes to police and military
5% to infrastructure(loan money and pay morgage)
rest goes to bullshit, like culture, art worth piss much money, people that work at public service doing nothing but drink coffee all day and migrants and poor people who collect welfare checks.

The system is made for big companies and people inside the public service, the socialdemocrats been in power for like 80 years until they lost 2006 and rewon 2014, the system is made bureocrats(spelling) oppressing hard working people owning small companies and people working in private buisness.

The economy is pretty free, but monopolized alcohol and shit is still stronk.
People create shit ton of value, but it could be so much better than it is, if the taxes were lower.

>one theatre in Sweden get 100$ for each customer in tax money customers/taxmoney
The culture is "state" owned more or less, filled with disgusting feminists and leftist faggots, its awful

>>1520184
>catalonia
>successful

c'mon man I'm a socialist and I admit Catalonia was a failure.

>>1520184
Catalonia was a hilarious failure. If you refuse to acknowledge this fact, then you have no place on a history board.

>>1520234
>>1520213
It was a failure because the Stalinists were being dicks.

>>1518986
The US is barely getting past the red scare tho
Where do you even get these warped perceptions.

>>1520236
So the concentration camps built and supported by the anarchists were the Stalinists fault?

Both the Stalinists and the anarchists fucked each other over when they should have been more focused on defending the republic and bashing some fashes.

>>1518986
Because Marxism has been made utterly inconsequential, it's toothless and trivial now, it's adherents are either old farts or ultra-passive youth.
It's been tamed by Capitalism and made into a cheap fashion accessory.

Fascism is a problem because it's rowdy, it causes trouble, and it's overtly opposed to the current system meanwhile socialists have found a quiet nieiche to be of use to their capitalist masters.

It still has claws and therefore must be segregated.

Why do people obsess about Catalonia rather than the Ukraine Free Territory? Makhno was much more consistent in applying his anarchist ideals (though he still fucked up a bit too).

>>1520105
Reducing inequality is inherently immoral

Has anarcho-communism ever been tried?
Serious question people.

>>1520259
No form of communism or socialism has ever even come close to being tried dummy

>>1520249
So it failed because communism?

>>1520259
"yes"

>>1520271
it failed because of petty sectarianism and the fact that the nationalists received weapons and supplies from Germany, Italy, and America.

>>1520274
It wasn't real socialism

>>1520277
Also because Falange is badass
If only they won in Lebanon too.

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>>1520285
>Falange won because it was badass

>>1520289
Obviously the socialists weren't since they lost hard.

>>1520291
we're coming bucko

>>1519214
>Holodomor
Ukrainian diaspora? I don't think an average American high school student would know about it.

>>1520289
whatever that dudes drinking wouldnt exist in a communist society
>captialism 1337 communism -666

>>1520258
How so?

>>1519773
The inherent weakness of planned economies is their inability to react to things like oil price shocks. Venezuela would have fared much better were it not for the stifling effect the state had on all non-oil forms of industry and services.

>>1520319
Oh shit let me just educate you on economics and philosophy in a 2000 word post

>>1520339
I'm sorry, I don't see many ways for an economy to react when met with such a shock.
Certainly Venezuela is not the only oil economy that shrinked harshly due to the falling oil prices, although it was the only one with a private ownership too invested on not being stocked.

>>1520299
Not that guy but we do learn about it.

>>1519773
The memes say capitalists think in the short term, voters no doubt care about long term things like their children's future and the environment, but voters are limited in their knowledge and ability to influence the government which is usually only thinking about the next election at most 5 years later. This can be contrasted with average P/E ratios on the stock market which are usually in the ballpark of 20 or 25 or so, meaning investors are willing to wait 20 years before they start receiving more than they put in.

Venezuela is a good example of this. Multinational corporations were willing to make long term investments in the Orinoco fields which dropped to token levels under Chavez despite their intention to sell more oil to China and Cuba. They are less interested in investments in nationalized oil than in embezzling money and investing it abroad, Maduro could be overthrown in a few years or there could be an internal reshuffle inside the United Socialist party then the racket will be over.

>>1520463
All of the countries that weren't shit weathered the oil shock fine.

It was literally just the pisshole countries that had choked out private industry with their incompetence.

I hate the Saudis as much as the next guy, but that really was their master stroke.

>>1518986
Well socialist seemed ok, Marxist are questionable, and nobody likes communist

>>1518986
>"expect maybe in Sweden"

What the fuck? Sweden has never been socialist. Nordic countries are socialistic not socialist.

>>1520153
Nice ideology you got there, mate

*sniffs*

>>1520507
> "hey look socialism seems to be working in these countries :)"
> NO IT'S NOT REAL SOCIALISM U FUCKING IDIOT REEEE IF IT WAS REAL SOCIALISM IT WOULDNT WORK REEE

Why do socialism haters always use the "no true scotsman" fallacy?

>>1520537
Well as socialist.......... Sweden isn't socialist, these meme needs to stop

>>1520553
You're right

Sweden is an Islamic theocracy

>>1520507
It is not socialistic it is social.

>>1520537
There is a fucking huge difference between socialism and social democracy.

>>1520520
I reed it myself, thanks br0 (':

>>1520580
No. Butthurt partisans exist in both

>>1518986
Nazis have no cache in universities, communism and other forms of collectivism do. We adopted 'anti-racism' in opposition to the racist Nazis despite being incredibly racist ourselves, so people tried to change their ways to resolve this contradiction. In contrast, the universalism that is inherent to communism was not present in Nazism, and we haven't gotten rid of that.

Wow, seems like the Red Scare and COINTELPRO were so successful that their effects are still noticeable today. You dumb motherfuckers, baka desu senpai.

>>1519018
>I went to a small liberal arts college which was crawling with these people
Oberlin?

>>1519174
>The Bolsheviks have butchered at least 55 million
I'd love to see a source on that. Claiming that they literally killed a third of USSR population seems "a bit" overdramatized.

>>1520153
I don't really see much of that with the commies I know. Most of them would probably treat your average working man as a pest if he disagrees with his communist beliefs, or would think he's some sort of state pawn, a mindless robot created by the oppressing system.
I agree with the you when you say that they romantize workers a lot, I mean, for what I've seen, they are condescendent with them (indigenists do this a lot as well).

>socially acceptable

it's not. by educated youth maybe but they make up a minority of the population. people weren't calling obama a socialist because they agreed with socialism

>>1519259
The motivation of communism is ultimately constructive while the motivation of fascism is ultimately destructive. Communism is just Christianity for secular people

>>1520299
I learned about it and I went to public HS for two years.

>>1518986
get the police to build the damn roads

>>1519289
Oh dear god you're one of those retards who thinks socialism implies you can't have an efficient economy. Do you even know how to breathe through your nose?

>>1518986
I'm not sure really. I joined the labour party near where I live in a hope to get a place on the city council (I did it because it was a labour strong point, not because I actually believe in any of it). I met up with some councilors who actually boasted about being from communist families which kind of took me back. I tried to have a rational discussion with them but they brushed me off because "I'm too young to understand the benefits of socialism".

>>1518986
Communism is destructive in failed execution
Fascism is destructive by design

>>1520123
Don't imply he isn't.

>>1521951
He's a closet Leninist

>>1521946

>Fascism is destructive by design

yeah because Francoist Spain wasn't one of the most stable countries in the World and with growth
Fascism does not have Jingoism by default

>>1522014
Any system based on growth is unsustainable.

Even if it was "stable", Francoist society was highly recessive and unequal. Why should that by idealized?

>>1521967
I wish

Well for start communism does not advocates genocide of entire races and only freedom it (theoretically) suppresses is the economical one. The one most people don't care about/

>>1522410
Except it socioeconomic class differences are often intertwined with race, do the events in certain parts of Africa within the last fifty years not exist to you?

>>1518999
>people laughed at my Fountainhead book report

>>1522410
>communism does not advocates genocide of entire races

just the genocide of christians, midle class, political dissidents and political incorrect intelectuals

>>1522410
>communism does not advocates genocide of entire races

only the genocide of christians, midle class, political dissidents and politicly incorrect intelectuals

>>1522410
"A simple, direct answer to the question, "Why does communism kill?" is-because the founder of Communism, Karl Marx, told them it was necessary to kill a large segment of the population in order to attain the basic objective of Communism.

Marx states in the Manifesto of the Communist Party:

You must, therefore, confess that by "individual" you mean no other person than the bourgeois, than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed, be swept out of the way, and made impossible. (Published by Progress Publishers, Moscow, 1973 edition, page 66)"

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>>1518986
>marxist
>socialist
>communist
>fascist
>nazi

>>1519472
>Such as all the income gains going to a very small minority of people
You mean the vast majority of people on the planet? The only people not experiencing good income growth is western middle class people

>>1521487
No but it was that exact same template with less money and prestige

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>>1518986

>Muh Gulagsgsgsgsgsgsgs

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>>1522470
Spooky.
Damn nigga, atleast post warnings.

>>1519359
Don't bother, stormfags bend over backwards to call someone a jew, mostly resorting to memes like maternal lineage.

>>1519026
It's funny because New Deal welfare state social democracy is literally corporatism/fascism

>>1520259
Free Reublic kind of

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>>1518986
Because the leftists are the authoritarians now and they decide what is socially acceptable.

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>>1523814
What is the point of this cartoon? To show that Marx was somehow at fault for Communism being used as a vessel for dogmatic tyranny? Does this mean Jesus is now responsible for the 30 Years War? Nonsense.

>>1523490

>>The only people not experiencing good income growth is western middle class people

Guess who most of the people who post on 4chan either are or are the children of?

Furthermore, guess who ultimately decides the outcome of elections in most advanced nation states?

>>1523995
....... Do people actually believe this? Both pic related and anons comment?

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>Fascism is immoral and destructive
Come on, now...

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>>1520285
>>1520289
>implying FET-JONS was falangist

>>1522410
Are you really this stupid?

Because it has "good intentions", unlike fascism

>>1519024
Fucking this, and fuck having 8 different university political parties, where only one of them centre right and all the others are some kind of ancom socialist marxist shit.
This shouldn't happen in this country, they should just flee to Cuba or whatever, fuck.
Pinochet did nothing wrong, except for not killing enough commies.

>>1524214
>Fucking this, and fuck having 8 different university political parties, where only one of them centre right and all the others are some kind of ancom socialist marxist shit.
This shouldn't happen in this country, they should just flee to Cuba or whatever, fuck.
Pinochet did nothing wrong, except for not killing enough commies.
W E W L A D

80% of the posters in this thread need a quick blow to the back of the head with a lead pipe. Or repeated blows. Truly showing your ignorance, amerilards. No wonder the rest of the world doesn't take you seriously.

>>1524214
But fascism has good intentions you retard
unity of the people based on the nayion's integral culture(s)
a strong government for a strong people
protectionism so that you don't get fucked over if you're a small business
(sometimes) bringing your enemy to justice
a dictatorship that allows populist demands, has an iron fist if the people are leading the nation to destruction, not as corruptible as democracy
succession of leadership to the most capable and etc etc

>>1524930
I know it does, asshole, that's why I said "good intentions" between quotes.

>>1524235
Yeah

>>1519081
>>1519611
It isn't really.
Most of the lefties believe in one or more of the following: open borders, mass immigration, "diversity and cultural enrichment", feminist garbage, redistribution of wealth, whine about pitfalls of capitalism and the 1% Michael Moore bullshit.
Socialists, from a societal pov and economic pov.

>>1518986
If you're a basement dweller and philosophize - literally no one care what you believe or what school of thought you adhere to.

Just start doing something in society - then maybe you'll become relevant, when you're able to shape public opinion.

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If I support Rojava am I a marxist/socialist/communis?

>this fucking thread
>Sweden is socialist

Here's a friendly way to spot socialism:

Do the workers own the means of production?
>yes
It may very well be Socialism, congrats
>no
It's not socialism you fucking retard, REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>1518986
Because the first three were started by jews

>>1526587
On the shoulders of giants, the shills will shout.
It's all just state capitalism, bro. Stop harshing my mellow.