Lets talk about the phenomena of NEETdom. I know we liek thinking

>>1516415
Socially adjusted non-virgins BTFO

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>>1516415
>>1516445

>>1516445
i know this is bait from /r9k/, but
>relying on government for your paycheck
>free

w-wew

>>1516415

>non NEETs are those who live within society's expeced goals, like having a family for example, or chasing after a better paycheck or after renoun or status or the ability to purchase a big house and dine in fancy restaurants.
A none-NEET is just someone who is employed, in school, or in training. You cannot and should not attribute the goals or ideas of success of some the the entirety of the group.

>Some NEETS can do things that they enjoy doing and on top of that also get paid for it,
Getting "paid" implies that one receives money in exchange for a service. Receiving money out of pity or a misguided sense of duty or obligation to the "poor unfortunate souls" of a society is not the same thing.

>as in their actions are found to be relevant to society but they are simply doing what they enjoy.
Shitposting all day because they may or may not have depression or anxiety is not relevant to society.

>From the point of view of society NEETs are useless hedonists because their actions are not productive for others.
Not really. NEETs are viewed as useless hedonists because they cannot/will not support themselves.

You forgot to mention the inherit parasitism of the NEET dynamic. It's not just abundantly wealthy parents letting their kids do whatever and that whatever being masturbating to hentai and playing touhou. I could buy that being some weird form of bohemianism were it not for the fact that NEETs are more often than not, just made possible by enabling parents who really want their kids to move on but are too attached to light the proverbial fire under the ass by kicking them out.

No doubt there are some NEETs who fancy themselves living an ascetic lifestyle but the majority are in fact, shallow consumerists who live for their computers and steam accounts. My own guess is that they actually do want some agency and independence but are too scared/comfortable to actually go out and get it.

Material prosperity definitely has a role in the rise of NEETdom but I'd say it's more social breakdown, a lack of values or pride being instilled in the NEET, rather than some willing rebellion.

Fuck off

>do thins they enjoy doing
Like not being able to go outside? Like it being able to socialize? Kek

If you think those tat receive government aid are living the dream try it yourself. Try not talking o a hone. Try not leaving the house. Try not being able to hold convo with another person. Try not to have any money and depend purely on family support for years.
Also live through the shame of having your family members/anyone abuse you due to your inability to communicate properly.

>>1516505
"scared comfterble" are a causal choice you make. I can say you only wagecuck because you have a fear of social rejection or any infinite number of causes.
In short your description is simply a veiled insult.

>>1516841
What makes you think not being in employment or education means you can't leave the house?

Are you relying on dissuasive stereotypes rather than the actual meaning of words?

>>1516505
>a lack of values or pride being instilled in the NEET, rather than some willing rebellion.

I actually think its more likely the opposite. Throughout childhood kids are now built up to expect greatness, and so study to get such and such qualifications, which in turn creates more qualified people than there are jobs in these high places, and a population too proud to go for anything bellow their own expectations of themselves.

They were told they could do anything, so they choose to be poor and comfy rather than slightly less poor and cleaning toilets. I'm guilty of this hubris myself and I'm sure there are plenty of others in the thread who are as well.

>>1516483
Fucking this. Yet they have the audacity to be racist and hate blacks for disproportionately being on welfare meanwhile that's the only way they can keep up their leech lifestyle..unless they have unusually doting parents.

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>>1516415
>being a NEET
>when you can make money drawing porn

>>1516415
>>1516445
>implying NEETs actually work on self improvement

>>1516445
Some people have to work to survive, asshole.

>>1516415
I prefer to think of the NEET phenomenon as a byproduct of economic efficiency.

As economic processes improve and more abundance generated, many young men become redundant. The are no longer needed to fill the factories and slave away in the mines.

Society has no use for these men. They do not have the kind of social currency that young women have, and they have no goals, structure, or direction provided to them by the overarching society.

They do not have to work to live because they can find some little niche, whether at their parent's house or otherwise, in which to subsist at minimal overhead.

Furthermore, the NEET's true habitat is online. Retreating from the over-complex, unfriendly and pointless world around him that has rejected him so, the NEET finds solace in the realms of the web, where he consumes large amounts of media and communes with others in the same predicament.

If we were sending off our young men to die in the trenches, or if we were experiencing a great economic boom, we might not have NEEts.

Bit since we have reached this state of comfortable stagnation, our directionless youth have no outlets in which to apply themselves. So they become NEET.

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>>1516415
Then why are NEETs more likely to commit suicide?

>>1519555
Correlation does not equal causation.

>>1519555
>was suicide part of your plan?
Of course. Society favors the suicide of the weak NEETs. We had to find out which the best NEETs are.

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"neither in education, employment, or training"
There is nothing wrong with taking a few months or even a year off just fucking about and enjoying life. Trying to discuss this around the literal sense of NEET is pointless because it encompasses so many different types of people. So I'll just stick with the teenage/young adult who plays video games and watches anime all day. You know, the 4chan kind.

These NEETs do not progress at all. They're stuck in a world of instant gratification. Their very way of life is procrastination. I don't think this is morally wrong, and i don't give a shit if they provide for society. But they're still wasting so much potential. They're not utilizing themselves. They can carry on through their twenties if they wish, but at some point reality will strike and they realize they do want "normal" stuff.
Being able to work at something other than Mc Donalds would be nice.
Being able to socialize or having social skills at all would be nice.
Having some sort of skillset other than video game skills would be nice.
I don't know if it's a social thing or a biological thing, but making an effort is rewarding to the human being. To create, to solve, to help, to improve, things that require effort, these are rewarding. We have evolved to find satisfaction in the feeling of contribution and achievement. Yes i'm sure you can manage and live your life shaking your penis to imaginary cartoon girls and play games, but the sheer joy and excitement life has to offer is just so immense and fulfilling you'd be a moron to hide from it.

The wage slavery meme is just an excuse.
Life is a massive playground. A theme park "normies" explore to varying degrees of success. NEETs are in a corner playing with beetles. Sure who gives a fuck, but they're missing out.

thanks for reading. Have a snek

>>1519559
>le le all i have to do is cite one meme and i can pretend there's no causation! *tips fedora*

you know there's a causation

>>1519813
Thread/

>>1519877
That doesn't mean that is the causation. Maybe they are two reactions to a third variable.

If the suicides were all NEETs or vice versa you'd expect the the unemployment rate to go down, because we don't count the dead as unemployed.

>>1516415
>>1519537
this guy got it right, NEET's are just the result of a world not big enough for all, some kind of "if you know you are going to lose why even try?"

about me:

>38
>on NEETbux since 1998
>live alone since 2003 (my grandma died and I moved to her house)
>only leave the house 1 or 2 times a month to buy food

While you successfully describe the positive possibilities of NEETdom, most of them aren't actually fulfilling any of their potential and are, in fact, just depressed basement dwellers who play vidya all day long.

>>1519924
>If the suicides were all NEETs or vice versa you'd expect the the unemployment rate to go down, because we don't count the dead as unemployed.
you're literally retarded

>>1519537
This. Also, it's pretty evident that the vast NEET population is a great unfulfilled economic asset. Anyone who finds a good use for this resource is bound to be hugely successful, while also being helpful for a lot of people.

>>1520017
Nice refutation.

>>1520041
The problem is that NEETs are lazy and inherently unwilling to do anything that doesn't grant them immediate satisfaction. Poor material for workers.

>>1520053
>NEETs are lazy and inherently unwilling
I don't think that's true though. It's pretty clear to me that this is a learned behaviour, and can therefore also be changed.
I'm obviously not necessarily talking about any traditional kind of work either. I'm not even proposing that whatever it is would necessitate for them to even change their lifestyle that much.
Playing vidya or arguing about trivia on internet etc. can certainly be seen as work, and it could possibly be used for something valuable.

>>1520085
>>1520053
as a long term NEET I can say yes I'm lazy but I would like to work from home, most NEET's actually want to work from home but shit is just impossible when we have absolutely no skills

>>1519813
How do I build social skills? I have developed hard skills that give me a well paying job and a healthy lifestyle. When I have free time, the only thing I want to do is hangout with people or do my hobbies, which are mostly solo. Also, is there something I can do to meet people on a Friday night that doesn't involve drinking?

>skills
Experience is valuable but skills is just a meme word used by people that don't want to bother training newer workers.

>>1520127
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/aw/d/B01AU8C766?fp=1&pc_redir=T1

Helped me into normiedom

>>1520041
This.

Just think of how many geniuses who could revolutionise the world are wasting their lives in their parent's basement.

>>1520085
>>1520041
i think you're really on to something. i want to brainstorm ways to get paid while supplying neets with jobs they can do from home.

>>1520515
Teach them 3d modeling but lock away the lessons with paywalls.

>>1519813
>"lyfe's a party, dude, like just b yrself, dude"

I'm not a NEET, but please stop.

>>1516841
>Try not talking o a hone. Try not leaving the house. Try not being able to hold convo with another person. Try not to have any money and depend purely on family support for years.

This has been my life for years and it really doesn't bother me. The not being able to hold a convo thing plays into why I don't work since I otherwise wouldn't mind putting in the hours but I just can't handle the social dance required to get a job. If I were to ever get kicked out I imagine I'd just be homeless, but I have no idea if I'd keep that up or if it would be uncomfortable enough for me to somehow act in spite of my social fears and incompetencies to try and get a job. I don't have anything against anyone being NEET if they want to, good for them, but it does seem fair to give something back to the society whose infrastructure I couldn't live without even if that society didn't give me anything intentionally.