Why is it that among societies that have traditions - formal

because the traditional form of sexual relationship is between the dominant male and submissive woman, and the first kind of homosexuality you mentioned simply replaces the gender of the woman with the male while keeping the same form of power dynamics

and when sexual relations is between the dominant and submissive, being fucked (penetrated, etc) means that you are viewed as submissive and unmasculine

since life back then was much tougher than modern life the value of masculinity was extremely high, by submitting in the sex act you lower your value in the eyes of society

when some barely pubescent boy submits to his teacher in the sex act it's okay because he's not a man yet anyway, when a grown-ass man bends over he's surrendering his masculinity

/lgbt/ must be a really boring place.

>>1515513
>when some barely pubescent boy submits to his teacher in the sex act it's okay because he's not a man yet anyway, when a grown-ass man bends over he's surrendering his masculinity

You just keep repeating yourself, though. You keep saying "because masculinity was valued", but you don't really explain the 'why' as to how being the penetrative partner would have been submissive, or at least, why the ancients - and even some today - still see it as a sign of transgressing on the idea of manliness.

In other words, you keep telling me "being penetrated was unmanly", but I don't see a reason for 'why'.

>>1515674
because it's a zero-sum concept. Think about how close-minded some people can be about how it's a man and a woman. Now think about that mindset, but compartmentalized in a way to let another man take the place of a woman in this very specific relationship.

Now think of the effective differences that have to exist between the two partners to make this cognitive dissonance acceptable.

Boom: You can give, but don't ask/tell if you're taking. Because that means you're effectively a woman in a society that values the masculine over the feminine. In ways you could be seen as worse than a woman, because you're stepping outside of your masculine role.

Because people do dumb taboos and shit to justify their rigid worldview or something I guess. Do you think fgays are a different species?

>>1515452
A boy is not yet a man, and so the rules of the patriarchy which demand that a man not submit or be penetrated by another man don't apply.

So many cultures turned a blind eye to the occasional bit of boy buggery.

>>1515674
It's painfully obvious that since being penetrated by a dick during sex is the traditional woman's role in sex, and that therefore, a man who takes dick is being womanly and therefore unmanly.

It doesn't take rocket science to make this simple analogy.

>>1515751
So why would there be a need for effete boys rather than more manly men? Because they *look* like women?

>>1515452

The premise of your question is wrong, because present day western society has a tradition of homosexuality that is not constrained to what you describe.

>>1516738

Yes, because men have overwhelmingly visual preferences. In gay communities the "effete" boys are selectors, replacing what the female is in hetero relationships. A masculine has to compete with other masculines for the attention of the effete.

>>1515452
because most men aren't attractive to big burly hairy dudes but all other things being equal would probably be okay with fucking some hairless girly boi if they hadn't been raised to think it's inherently faggoty to do so

>>1516803
Not true.

>>1516936
Really? Why isn't it true? How does it depart from both intuition and ancedotal reality?

The feminine gender is almost always the selector in the vast majority of mammilian species. Humans are unique because we can walk bipedally. Which means that we can outlast prey and scavenge more efficiently over a wider raidus of land. Which combined with bone marrow eating, enables a caloric excess suitable for larger brains.

We're not unique for gender homology.

>>1516953
Because we have so many sexual subcultures that completely turn the heterosexual standard on its head.

>>1516953
most masculine gay men fuck other masculine gay men. Feminine gay men usually end up with bi leaning guys.

>>1516962

These sexual subcultures realistically encompass and facilitate only a minority of sexual experiences.

When you look at how most humans act, it's masculine types competing over feminine types.

>>1516976
No they don't, are you even gay?

Also this: >>1516970

Especially the first sentence is true

>>1516978

lol no wat do I look like some faggot lol lol lol

>>1516985
Nah you sound like a generic breeder pleb projecting his breeder social dynamics on a completely different group

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