How is it possible for one side to be so thoroughly blown

>>1514680
>tfw the only truly magnificent leader will never capture Vienna and destroy the c*tholic churcg

wait but it said they took the castle or whatever

how is that being "BTFO"

maybe if they had lost but in this case they won tho

>>1514680
>pyrrhic victory
>"btfo"

wew lad

>>1514699
>they won
>take some shitty castle defended by a rag tag group of drunk and untrained Slavs outnumbering them at least 30:1
>end up demoralised and give up on your goal of taking Vienna

I'm guessing you think the United States won in Vietnam too.

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Zerg rushing your enemies don't work when they have had time to build up their defences.

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>>1514680
Sieges are hard.

>>1514750
it would be more impressive if the habsburg actually won there was battle with the same result but with the larger side losing

>>1514750
Not to mention that the Sultan literally died

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>>1514808
Ikr

>>1514788
>Mustafa had the bodies of the knights decapitated and their bodies floated across the bay on mock crucifixes. In response, de Valette beheaded all his Turkish prisoners, loaded their heads into his cannons and fired them into the Turkish camp.

s a v a g e

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How did the Byzantine's get so fucking BTFO'd by the turks?

>>1515590
fuckin hell they got demolished

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>>1515590
JUST

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>>1515683
FUCK

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>>1515690
MY

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>>1515692
SHIT

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>>1515695
UP

>>1515692
Cantabrian circle too good.

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Was Shapur a big guy?

>>1516343
>army fucked up by disease loses to healthy enemy army

Holy shit
Stop
the
Presses

>>1515590
How did they lose with such a majority?

>>1516482
Same way the Chinese lost in the Battle of Talas. Mercenaries were not very reliable.

>>1516343
No, but it was very painful.

>>1516474
>disease

>>1516550
>Mercenaries were not very reliable.

Actually the mercenaries in the Byzantine army proved very reliable, including the Turkish cavalry auxiliaries, who actually fought to the death.

The problem were the backstabbing Doukas cucks, who, like on so many other occasions, brought ruin to the empire in their desperate bid for power. They withdrew from the battle when they were called upon by the emperor, causing chaos and confusion in the Byzantine army, even causing some men to rout, thinking that the battle was lost.

Also, the pic in this post: >>1515590 is shopped, the numbers weren't that lopsided, though the Byzantines did have a numerical advantage.

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>>1516343
>>1516565

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>>1516888

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>>1516927
Yes, it swings both ways.

>>1515406
Fuck I love history
>We will never be able to decapitate roaches again
Feels

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>>1516988
well sharia law looks like it's going to be a thing in britain soon, so you can just convert to islam and decapitate all the roaches you want :)

>>1517016
>Spaniards and Maltese
>British
what

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Khalid's banter was off the charts

>>1517051
he mentioned roaches, who else could he have been referring to?

>>1517061
>3k vs 100k+
>using the Quran as your source
Abdul stop posting please

>>1517083
Do you even military history? That man is easily in the top 5 generals of all time

>>1517083
>Chronicle of Theophanes the confessor (p. 337–338): 80,000 Roman troops and 60,000 allied Ghassanids Arab christian troops (Gibbon, Vol. 5, p. 325).

>>1514788
>I don't know how heavily fortified sieges work

>>1517097
Nope.
>alexander the great
>Jan zizka
>Subutai
>Napoleon
>Yi Sun Shin
>Caesar
All greater

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Crusade of Varna

>Venice
>Poland
>Hungary
>Croatia
>Bohemia
>Lithuania
>Serbia
>Wallachia
>Moldavia
>Bulgaria
>Holy >Roman >Empire
>Papal States and whoever served under them
>Teutonic Order
vs
>Ottoman Empire

>Result: Decisive Ottoman victory


L M A O

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>>1517138
>siege of malta
>outnumber geriatrics and the dumbass natives 14:1
>still lose

>>1517158
>doesnt know how ottoman siege logistics worked

80% of those "army" casualties were slave rowers, sappers and siege enginers

>>1517173
>80% of army is made up of sappers and siege engineers
>still can't breach a single castle

>>1517127
nope, read this, easily one of the greatest victories in history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk#Battle

in every engagements the more numerous and more disciplined byzantine infantry defeated the arabs infantry, but this guy manouvered his reserve cavalries in such a way that the arab lines didnt break, he did this literally every single time

>arab casualities :3000
>byzantine casualities :45% of entire army or 50,000+ killed

>>1517194
Never said it wasn't, just that there are greater generals

Its really funny how eastern Europeans wave these battles on the face of the Ottomans and call them weak while they still got duminated by the ottoman for five hundred years and are still Butthurt about it.

>the Ottomans lost every war ever but we let them have half of europe, constantinople, middle east, and north africa out of pity

lol

>>1517237
The Ottomans only won when the Europeans fought each other and thus made it easier for them, but when they allied they fucked shit up (Lepanto, Vienna)

>>1517248
>The Ottomans only won when the Europeans fought each other and thus made it easier for them, but when they allied they fucked shit up

>what is the crusade of nicopolis
>what is the crusade of varna
>what is the battle of mohacs
>what is the battle of kosovo
>what is the holy league battle of preveza

people like to forget before vienna and lepanto the ottomans literally dominated warfare for hundred of years

>>1517260
Because nobody gave a shit about Eastern Europe and North Africa, and they half hearteadly sent men

The moment they tried expanding into Western Europe they got BTFO

>>1517061
>Battle of Firaz
>Sassanid Empire & Byzantine Empire & Christian Arabs
>Strength: 120,000-150,000
>Sources: "Dubious"

>>1517377
>>1517061
>source: swordofallahdotcom
Hahaha

>>1517414
>Source: Reddit

lmao

>>1517217
You would have to argue this very hard. Name one other general who could consistently win against such overwhelming odds

>>1517424
>reddit
What?

>>1517433
The absolute madman that is Yi Sun Sin

>>1517460
Agreed, but he was an admiral not a general

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Albanians got so buttflustered they turned on NATO cheat mode to win the war.

>>1514699
because of the time it took to take the castel the weather got so bad, that they had to stop the invasion
so, win?

>be me
>be trading with many people
>read many books and news about other big countries
>get idea
letsstartourowncountry.gif
>recruit bandits
>take over small cities, recruit more and more bandits, use slave soldiers and effective, bud unpretty tactics
oh, and i declared my own religion with me as a prophet so that these people die for me
problems?

>>1517572
Lost the war

The Shimazu are kind of famous for that.

Their two main strategies were:

1- Feigned retreat
2- Kill the enemy general

Having better soldiers than the others didn't hurt, either.

One of their best generals, once charged with 5,000 men against Toyotomi Hideyoshi's 170,000. And almost came close to him. Fans of medieval warfare know how enormous a 170,000 men army is.
I wonder how crazy would be history if Niiro Tadamoto succeeded in killing Hideyoshi.

>>1517138
You know the Christians didn't really outnumber the Turks in that battle?

>>1514680
Croats are godlike soldiers.

>>1514750
Nikola's men weren't semi-trained Soviet recruits.The vast majority of Slavs are highly competent combatants,especially in short-range encounters.

>>1517138
What the subhuman Turks wanted to say is that the Crusaders were vastly outnumbered and actually winning the battle because their leader - the Polish king was shot to death by several crossbow projectiles.

>>1517572
>Cherry picking sources to make the Soviets seem inferior and to reinforce the narrative of MUH ASIATIC HORDES

kek

>>1517194
>>arab casualities :3000
>>byzantine casualities :45% of entire army or 50,000+ killed
>source:Akram, A.I (2004), The Sword of Allah: Khalid bin al-Waleed – His Life and Campaigns, third edition, ISBN 0-19-597714-9
totally legitimate

>>1519266
They rarely like to be reminded of the Belorussian Strategic Offensive Operation.

>>1517260
The Crusade of Nicopolis is you being saved by the charge of the heavy Serb cavalry, the Crusade of Varna is you outnumbering the Crusades by half a score, the Battle of Mohacs is one of your rare, legitimate victories, the Battle of Kosovo is you losing most of your army, Bayazit being forced to retreat because he couldn't breach the left flank which was led by Vlatko"break the Turk whore and fuck her until she's swolle " Vukovic.

>people like to forget before vienna and lepanto the Ottomans literally dominated warfare for hundred of years
People like you also tend to forget that it took the Ottomans 229 years to conquer the most sparsely populated part of the European continent, even though as the same time, they had to contend with the Venetians and the Hungarians.

Also, what's with the battle of Bileca and Plocnik?

>>1517282
It's because they had no more men to spare, they've wasted most of them in fighting off the Ottomans for almost two and a half century

>Because nobody gave a shit about Eastern Europe

Just because Eastern Europe is largely insignificant today doesn't mean that she was back then too, the reason why no one gave a fuck about her is because she was predominately of Catholic faith.

>The moment they tried expanding into Western Europe

Meme knowledge.

I'm just say Battle of Curupayty.