If it weren't for Germany fucking up and starting two world

>>1513438
>If it weren't for Germany starting two world wars

The USSR would not have existed without WWI.

>>1513438
Germany promoted and pushed communism during WW1. Russian Marxist POW's captured by the Germans were released.

They knew the Marxists would bring down Russia eventually and knock them out of the war.

Too bad the Marxists had so much power at the end of the war they started stirring up trouble in Germany and the rest is history.

Go back to WW1 and look at Germanys ties to the Marxists in Russia.
German high command approved the transfer of Lenin and gave him funds, once Bolsheviks started the civil war Germans sponsored the Bolsheviks. Giving them arms and finances.


Bolsheviks were sent by Germany to destabilize Russia. Germany is literally responsible for WWI, WW2, AND THE EXISTENCE OF COMMUNISM.
Holodomor is the fault of germans. Katyn is the fault of germans. The killing fields is the fault of germans. The purges in the Soviet Union are the fault of germans.

>>1513653
So with this logic France is to blame for everything the US has ever done.

>>1513663
Germans created communism.


League of the Just founded by Germans in 1836.
League of the Just was a utopian socialist and Christian communist group.

League of the Just became the Communist League.


Before the First World War the Social Democratic Party (SPD) was the largest party in Germany and the world's most successful socialist party


Bolshevik Revolution was financed and supported by Imperial Germany.

During ww1 the war effort failed and the tsar had to abdicate. Germans smuggled in And supllied Lenin an co. So he could form a communist state. Lenin made a peace treaty with the Germans while Russia descended into civil war. Bolsheviks exterminated a large number of people and succesfully afirmed Power.

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>>1513680
>>1513653
Thank God for those Germans, then!

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>>1513438
>implying the gain in power and political credibility after WW2 wasn´t the only thing that made communism a serious pretender for the dominant ideology of the world

Without WW2 communism would be associated with atrocities and piss poor russian peasants and not with a brave vicotry over fascism. Without WW1 there wouldn´t have been a major communist country so lets assume WW1 happened.

Even if after WW1 the communist revolution would have been successful in germany the western allies still would have won. The economical basis of the western allies/ NATO combined with their bigger potential of power projection around the world makes a communist victory in the struggle of ideologies likely in over 90% of the scenarios.

>>1515893
Fascism was founded as counter-communism and communism was a serious threat before WW2 else the first red scare would have never occurred.

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>>1516306
>serious threat before WW2

The UDSSR was a serious threat too but they also never had a shot of really winning ( destroying humanity isn´t winning in my book)

>>1513443
The first post answered your question, yet the thread continued anyway. Strange.

>>1516526
>>1513443

Sounds debatable. For something as chaotic for the russian revolution to happen I doubt it was just because of a four year war and more because of various things building up from the last ten - twenty years.

>>1516542
>just because of a four year
Yeah, the largest and costliest war ever had no effect at all.

if ww1 doesn't happen, the USSR doesn't happen
If ww2 doesn't happen, the USSR never modernizes and expands as strongly as it did as a result of war

Why does /his/ have such a boner for the USSR? It's the textbook definition of a failed state.

If Germany doesnt fund Lenin, no USSR.

If the USA doesn't arm, feed, clothe, and show the USSR, Germany smears the USSR like a bug.

>>1516542
Tzar would have been able to crush any revolt coming his way, like he did in the past, if the military and the country as a whole wasn't completely decimated by WW1.

Moreover, German kaiser LITERALLY SUPPORTED LENIN so that Russia would sign a separate peace.

>>1516542
What he meant say is that Imperial Germany had financed the rise of Bolshevism in the former Russian Empire, on the direct orders of the Emperor himself, that is.

>>1518577
>why is a history board interested in quite possibly the most important political entity of the 20th century?

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>>1513438
>implying germany started ww1