>Didn't do shit till the allies roll in, even after the

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Well, if you want a bigger /meme/, it's the Holocaust. Not that it didn't happen, but that it has come to represent a very specific set of ideals and notions to the point that bringing the event up altogether can often solidify a stance in an argument.

French Resistance might be the biggest lie, though. You've probably all seen it from the Wikipedia page, but here's a staged photo shot during the liberation.

Look at what happened in countries with actually active resistance, and maybe you'd understand why most occupied countries only put forth minimal resistance until liberators were nearby to actually make use of the disruption a resistance can cause in the short term.

The worst part is that after the Americans liberated France, a bunch of commies that did nothing during the war, like Sartre and his bitch, began pretending to be avenging resistance fighters and condemned tens of thousands to death for the crime of being to the right of Lavrenty Beria.

Like the massacres of Catholics committed by the Italian communists in 1945, this is one of the ignored examples of communist mass murders, because there was so much more going on during this period.

>>1508370
I get the feeling that a lot of intellectuals pulled this shit to give authority to their ideas. I actually made this thread after reading about Jacques Ellul who supposedly was a leader in the resistance, yet all of the information about his actions are vague claims made by himself.

>>1508344
>>Well, if you want a bigger /meme/, it's the Holocaust. Not that it didn't happen, but that it has come to represent a very specific set of ideals and notions to the point that bringing the event up altogether can often solidify a stance in an argument.
Another problem with all the endless jewish bitching about this event is that it serves to downplay other Nazi atrocities in the conflict. It must never be forgotten that hitler and his cronies wanted to either exterminate or enslave most of europe's slavs.

>>1508326

fucking this, you'd think it was them fucking up Nazis on the daily but they basically didn't do fucking anything besides some spying, but that was mainly SOE, then literally hundreds of thousands suddenly turned up after the D-Day landings acting like they'd freed Francethemselves

wtf i hate french people now

>>1508430
>Another problem with all the endless jewish bitching about this event is that it serves to downplay other Nazi atrocities in the conflict.
how so? No one is stopping Roma from talking about what the nazis did to them.

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>>1508430
Except there were divisions constructed of the "evil untermensch" that were part of the Schutzstaffel and worked in coordination with the Schutzstaffel and Wehrmacht. These forces consisted of Slavs, Africans, Asians, Middle Easterners, ect. The whole ploy of anti-Slavic tendencies was more an idealistic trend that ran within Adolf's political party. In the end the Germans worked in coordination with a multitude of Slavic and East bloc nations during the war.

Didn't the Warsaw Uprising only begin once the Soviet were closing in?

>>1508734
>Except there were divisions constructed of the "evil untermensch" that were part of the Schutzstaffel and worked in coordination with the Schutzstaffel and Wehrmacht.
Yeah, and the Jews had a special units serving under the RHSA :^)

>>1508735
Polish resistance is not romanticized like the French resistance has been.

>>1508740
150,000 Jews served in the German Wehrmacht during WW2

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Not only that, but any "resistance" there was in France, wasn't actually French, but mainly from ethnic groups like Jews, Armenians and Poles.

Vichy propaganda exploited this accordingly.

>>1508735
>>1508743
Correct. The Poles largely tried to keep underground and only commit low key sabotages. Stabbing a guard on watch, stealing arms and ammo, tossing a food truck over a bridge, there wasn't much mass sabotage or armed resistance until the Soviets were close.
Who then promptly waited for the Germans to kill half of Warsaw so after the war it would be much easier to turn Poland into a puppet state with the strongest and loudest voices crying for Polish freedom dead.

>>1508344

the problem with the holocaust is that it is used in the same way as the conch shell in Lord of the flies. Jews use it any time someone calls them on their shit, anti-Israelite's use it to criticize Israels treatment of Palestinians, people call every injustice, no matter how small "their holocaust" and of course, neo-nazis say it never happened while also praising that it happend.

And the worst part is everyone just forgets that 11 million people were slaughtered. Instead of trying to learn anything from it, we just use it as a point enhancer. Just like faggots who call everyone they dont like a Fascist.

>be french in ww1
>do the job
>anglo start being efficient and american arrive in mass
>we strong we decide the peace treaty :DDDD
>germany is nice, let it stay strong, let's just create weak cunts with german minority, dw mate we help you if there is a problem
ff20y
>lol

>>1509080
While I agree with your first paragraph, and it is quite unfortunate, I think you're wrong in the second.

Have you ever been to a holocaust site or museum like Auschwitz or the anne frank house? I've been to several and its clear that there are always many people (including myself) who want to understand the reality of the situation to try to gain a better understanding of how something like this ever could have happened and what can be done to make sure it never happens again.

>>1508326

Were you the guy posting about this last week?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qsOH1ALlSo

>>1508357

Prewar France was in such turmoil many expected a right wing coup. There was rioting in the streets of Paris in 1937, the right even used pro Hitler slogans saying they'd prefer German rule to the left. It's not an exaggeration to say a large chunk of France didn't mind their new government.

>>1508415

They did. Charles de Gaulle was one of the biggest proponents of the resistance myth because he saw value in uniting France. Let the other side vent their frustrations on the "horizontal collaborators" in the streets.

>>1508750
Source

>>1509194
no

How did Free France and the Legion perform in WW2?

>>1509255
they won ww2

>>1509041
Zhukov maintained that the Red Army, having conducted major offensives in 1944 already, was not really in any position to intervene even if they wanted to. Never tried to find out more so Idk how true that is.

>>1508326
>Is there a bigger meme than the French Resistance?

Soviet partisans perhaps

>The Soviet-allied guerrillas routinely engaged in plundering peasants. Documents show that partisan activity often amounted to banditry, rape, pillage, and murder (52-53, 88, 111-112, 144, 158, 166). Occasionally individual transgressors were punished. On the whole, however, the leadership of the Soviet irregular forces considered robbery to be a legitimate modus operandi. Since they largely lacked popular support, the Soviet guerrillas raided villages and manors for supplies. As a top Soviet commander put it, “Most partisan units feed, clothe, and arm themselves at the expense of the local population and not by capturing booty in the struggle against fascism.

>According to that narrative, the Soviet partisans killed 1.5 million “Germans and their collaborators.” In reality, the casualties inflicted on the enemy did not exceed 45,000, half of them Germans. As Musial puts it, “The higher the position of the official submitting the report, the higher the enemy losses reported” (22).

>It was alleged that the Home Army units were “not Polish partisan groups but groups formed by the Germans. These German groups which consist of Poles are to be destroyed,” according to the top secret order of 29 June 1943 (237). On 5 December 1943, it was resolved that “the [NKVD] Chkalov Brigade should commence the cleansing of the area of the White Polish band. The band, especially the policemen, landlords, and settlers, is to be shot. But no one must know about this”

>Musial’s study suggests that the Soviets seldom attacked German military and police targets. They preferred to assault the poorly armed and trained Belarusan and Polish self-defense forces. The guerrillas torched and leveled Polish landed estates much more frequently than they blew up military transports and assaulted other hard targets. “[B]y the end of 1943, most large landed estates had been destroyed”

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>>1508326
It was obviously blown out of proportion for political reasons, but now people (edgy Anglo-Saxon manchildren mostly) are exaggerating in the opposite direction.
Yes, the French Resistance existed. For most of the war it was insignificant. But in the summer of 1944, before, during and after D-day it fought the Germans and the French State authorities directly, causing and sustaining huge casualties.
In the July-August there were real battles being waged in the mountainous regions.
In order to destroy the Maquis during the Battle of Vercors they had to bring in the Paratroopers and their attack by air and they already had a force of thousands of soldiers. .

>>1509604
>edgy Anglo-Saxon manchildren

Way to pass the blame. Surely it has nothing to do with intentionally covering it up for decades and banning open public discussion until the 1980's.

It's like Slavboos complaining about western ethnocentrism when they're the ones who ruined their own credibility by politicizing all scholarly work done for decades.

Holy shit, take some responsibility for once you cowardly french fuckboi.

>>1509682
>It's an all Slavs are Russian episode

>>1509255

Well, they were small compared even to other forces of the Western Allies. And pretty much completely lacking equipment, they needed American manufacturing to do just about anything, which means that they only really provided manpower. (Which, don't get me wrong, is important)

They actually did quite well in Italy, being the only Allied units that would consistently do things the hard but smart way, of actually infiltrating German lines through the mountain peaks and forcing retreats that way, instead of the usual early American/British tactic of going in hard along the roads and getting shot by German mortars.

In Northern France and the final days against Germany, they were unremarkable.

>>1508326

yes that the 'Muricans won both wars

>>1508326
>Is there a bigger meme than the French Resistance?

Yes, Britain in the Napoleonic Wars and WW2
It's a bigger meme because a lot of people actual believe in it (while France is generally mocked for WW2, resistance or not)

>France didn't do shit in WW2 compared to other European countries
>is regarded as a victorious power and allowed to occupy parts of Germany
This is beyond idiotic.

"The French Resistance is a meme" is a meme.

Has there ever been a good movie made about Titos Partisans?

Yugoslavia was as far as I know the only country in Europe to successfully expel the Nazis with no direct foreign intervention. That's seriously ducking impressive

>>1508357
It's not just that
It's about civilized countries vs poor shitholes

In civilized countries where people have a decent life, there's almost always zero resistance unless the enemy behaves very badly.
In that regard, it's astonishing that France resisted so much (compared to other civilized countries).
Now in poor shitholes like Poland, Yugoslavia and all, you'll indeed face much greater resistance
Add to that the cruelty the nazis showed there and it's no surprise the resistance was big

That's why when I see Americans comparing an hypthetical guerrilla situation again the gubmint in their homeland to Vietnam or Iraq, it always make me laugh

>>1509914
How about the actions in the Western Desert Campaign and Bir Hakeim?

>>1508344
Yeah no shit it's a staged photo.

You know how you can tell, aside from the fact that it's completely obviously staged? Because it's in Paris and American troops had no part in liberating Paris, which was almost entirely liberated by a French Resistance uprising, followed by cleanup by the first Free French division.

>>1509255
They did pretty well in N.Africa, but that might be in part due to the Legion's almost retarded suicidalness.

I have literally never heard anyone say anything except "French Resistance is a lie it's fake French didn't resist French are cowards surrender monkeys" etc.

>>1509974
This.

>>1509983
>Because it's in Paris and American troops had no part in liberating Paris
>do all of the work getting to Paris
>completely encircle the city
>provide the entirety of air and artillery support
>hand the liberation of the city over to Free France because De Gaulle is throwing a tissy fit
>American troops had no part in liberating Paris
The most retarded statement I have ever seen on this board by far.

>>1509964
It was political, cretin
America needed all the strong allies it could get for the upcoming Cold War
France had fucked up in WW2, but it was still a major European power with a strong potential

>>1509996
Oh and I forgot the best part:
>German forces only surrender when American troops enter the city the day after the FFL division which was completely armed and supplied with US materiel botches their "liberation"

>>1510004
You forgot to mention that unlike the French in Yorktown, the ungrateful Americans didnt refuse the surrender and redirect them toward frogs

None of you idiots get it.

The point of the French Resistance wasn't to get themselves massacred in a pointless guerrilla war. It was to prepare the Allied invasion. They gathered intel, weapons, provided intelligence and logistical support to the Allies, did a bit of sabotage and assassinations here and there, but only sprang into open combat at D-day. They made a massive sabotage campaign, delaying the arrival of German reinforcements by several days and making it possible for the Allies to secure a part of Normandy, which was essential to the invasion's success. They started uprisings all over France included in Paris which was liberated by the Resistance over a week of urban combat before Allied troops arrived. They also prevented an American takeover of France by quickly establishing provisional local administration and ousting all American appointed civil officers. And most of them joined up with the Free French Forces which went on to help liberate the rest of Western Europe.

>>1510008
Why should we have? You did fuck all.

>>1509996
I'm not talking about the Free French you idiot, learn to read. This thread is about the Resistance. I'm talking about the Resistance uprising which liberated almost the entire city before the Free French even arrived. By then the Germans only controlled the Luxembourg Gardens and the Boulogne park. This probably also saved Paris from being destroyed as Hitler had ordered.

>>1510018
Americans did fuck all against Britain too.

>>1510018
Americans did fuckall at Yorktown, and the frogs still forced the British to surrender to them

>>1510019
>fail to take the city
>start a ceasefire with the Germans because you're getting your ass handed to you despite the Germans being completely encircled. If you don't liberate the fucking city, then you didn't liberate the fucking city, least of all without American troop assistance.

>>1510021
On the seas maybe. On land, where it counted, is an entirely different story.

>>1510024
>take half of the redoubts
>do all of the fighting on the continent
>you didn't do anything
Lad...

The Resistance was overblow after the war for pollitical consideration then destroy by french when they begin to release the sentive collabo memory.
Now the large French myth about France in WW2, few were collabo, fewer were resistant, the rest try to survive.

>>1510025
>On land, where it counted

You're aware the victories on land were made possible by the fact the French on the seas prevented Brits from sending more troops, right?

>>1510021
>>1510024
>>1510008
I like how Frogs seems to hold the revolution over Americans heads despite fucking Americans over several times in the 250 years afterward. You should be happy that you two are even allies again, considering.

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>>1510025
Paris wasn't encircled, and the city was almost completely liberated by the Resistance. That's civilians fighting against the Nazis and reconquering almost the entire city. The remaining Germans were holed up in a few fortified points, and got ousted when the Free French under Leclerc arrived.

>On land, where it counted
lmao, the entire foundation of British power in America was its navy. And then you needed the French to win for you on land at Yorktown as well.

>>1510029
You're aware the France was hardly the only country fucking with the British on the seas, right?

>>1510032
>I like how Americain seems to hold the liberation over Frog heads despite fucking French over several times in the 80 years afterward. You should be happy that you two are even allies again, considering.

>>1510032
>fucking Americans over several times in the 250 years afterward

Ah yes, you mean when France refused to pay its war debt to America, or when it allied with Britain against America, or when it threw such a gigantic hissy fit over America not doing France's bidding or allowing French occupation of its territory that it went on to systematically wreck America's reputation with forced surrender memes.

Oh wait no, that was America. France did give you that statue though, so yeah, fuck them.

Slowy but surely the thread derail in a French-American butthurt, let call it a day and say that everything is the fault of the eternal German.

>>1510040
>derail
What do you think this thread started as?

Americans make butthurt threads about France all the time.

> waiting until your resistance will actually achieve something and not just be a waste of lives and equipment
> 70 years later neckbeards who have never fired a shot in anger will call you stupid cowards

I knew /his/ cannot into History. Obviously they cannot into war either.

>>1510035
>despite fucking French over several times in the 80 years afterward
Yeah, we sure fucked you guys over after WWII.

>>1510039
>Ah yes, you mean when France refused to pay its war debt to America
I don't know why you're memeing like this, the French not only did that they did it twice and they only started to pay those debts under penalty of war.

>when it threw such a gigantic hissy fit over America not doing France's bidding
You started a fucking naval war over this.

>allowing French occupation of its territory that it went on to systematically wreck America's reputation with forced surrender memes
Deserved.

>>1510043
Why American ahve such interest with the French?
They're tsundere gay or what?

>>1510034
Spoken like someone who looked at a wiki page with no idea of the context
I know Americans hate France for some reason and would love to find a way to belittle their huge involvement in the US Independence War, but the truth is that they were the main, if not sole, factor in it.

France funded and armed the colonist in 1776
Without France, the revolution wouldnt even have been able to take off
Now, the country you're attempting to use to downplay France's input is sprobably Spain, right?
Well, if you knew about the historical context instead of just looking at flags on wiki^pedia, you'd know Spain had been France's bitch since 1701
The only reason they helped in that war is because the French ordered them to

>>1510052
Because the French lord something over us we've long since repaid and completely ignore the bullshit they've put us through on top of it.

>>1510055
>The only reason they helped in that war is because the French ordered them to
That's a funny way of saying they wanted Florida back and wanted Britain's colonies in the Caribbean. There was also the Dutch.

>>1510050
France paid back the WW2 debt in full. America never paid back its Independence War debt.

>You started a fucking naval war over this.
No, France had just liberated America from the British, and now it was France's turn to get attacked by the British, and guess what America does? It fucking supports Britain. So French privateers plundered American ships trading with France's enemy as is completely normal.

>>1510059
>There was also the Dutch.

Not militarily
I don't even think they helped economically, I think they just recognized the independence or something

>>1510052
Part is inferiority complex because they owe their existence to France and don't like being reminded of it, but it's mostly because France is the only Western country that since WW2 has maintained its own foreign policy instead of systematically bowing to American orders.

Look at when butthurt and France-bashing in America was strongest:
- When France left NATO command structure and made America remove its troops from foreign soil
- When France refused to support America's invasion of Iraq

America doesn't know how to have allies, only vassals or enemies.

>>1510059
>Because the French lord something over us we've long since repaid
Literally the only time anyone ever mentions French intervention in the Independence War is when Americans go full fat with "WE SAVED THE FRENCH IN WW2 THOSE UNGRATEFUL FAGGOTS THEY OWE US THEY DIDNT DO NOTHING FUCKING COWARDS USA USA FUCK FRANCE"

>the bullshit they've put us through on top of it
You mean forcing you to assemble that statue? Too hard on your fat fingers?

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>>1510070
>- When France refused to support America's invasion of Iraq

It's crazy how easily their government manipulated the people's opinion
Americans are always like "fuck the gubmint, 2nd amendement bitch!!!", but deep down, there utter sheeples who bend to the government's will without even noticing

>>1510077
Indeed.

But their perceptions are still completely shaped by this. A few days ago there was a thread where someone (I think it's the same faggot ITT) quoted Patton as saying "I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me", when in fact that was a quote that James Schlesinger falsely attributed to Patton on TV during the whole Iraq War France-bashing campaign, but now almost everyone believes it's real.

>>1510060
>America never paid back its Independence War debt
We paid in full to the Kingdom of France. We didn't owe shit to some upstart revolutionary who killed the ties.

>No, France had just liberated America from the British, and now it was France's turn to get attacked by the British, and guess what America does? It fucking supports Britain. So French privateers plundered American ships trading with France's enemy as is completely normal
That's not what happened at all. First of all: You cancelled your alliance with us. Second of all: you attacked our ships despite us being friendly and trading with you because we wouldn't pay you money that you weren't owed.

>>1510069
You should educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

>>1510070
>America doesn't know how to have allies, only vassals or enemies
Funny, we didn't have that issue with Morocco. Then again, Morocco doesn't take any opportunity it can get toward pissing us off. There's a reason no one likes you France.

>>1510076
>cancelling alliances (several times)
>refusing to pay debts (twice)
>starting a naval war
>spreading anti-American sentiment to try and keep your people from revolting (1930's before the war broke out)
You are fucking awful people.

>>1510077
Fun fact: The U.S. has held anti-French sentiment since well before 2003. 1 in 4 Americans hated you before that happened.

>>1510077
>>1510080
This is literally the entire 2003 Iraq War propaganda summed up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXpqvf2Xxpk

>>1510081
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Anglo-Dutch_War

Hmm well
>read through it
>it's another country France forced to join the war (like Spain)

>>1510088
>declared war over a diplomatic incident with Britain
>Le French forced them to do it
Your reading comprehension is off the chain.

>>1510081
>spreading anti-American sentiment to try and keep your people from revolting (1930's before the war broke out)

But America WAS responsible for the global economical crisis (which spawned nazism btw)
You can't blame us for telling the truth

>>1508717
This is hilariously naive, call me when the US has nearly as many Roma involved in the film industry as it does Jews.

>>1510081

>We paid in full to the Kingdom of France.
No you didn't pay anything, you used the Revolution as a shitty excuse to not pay your debts.

>That's not what happened at all. First of all: You cancelled your alliance with us. Second of all: you attacked our ships despite us being friendly and trading with you because we wouldn't pay you money that you weren't owed.
No, that's not at all what happened, you started trading with Britain again while Britain was at war with France, so France plundered your ships.

>Funny, we didn't have that issue with Morocco.
What the fuck? Of course you don't have any issues with Morocco, Morocco is completely irrelevant. And even they sent some monkeys or whatever to your Iraq War.

>cancelling alliances (several times)
>refusing to pay debts (twice)
>starting a naval war
>spreading anti-American sentiment to try and keep your people from revolting
This is literally all things that America did to France, not the reverse. Holy shit how delusional are you, this is Soviet tier brainwashing.

>>1510092
>Initially the stadtholder managed to prevent this, but strong diplomatic pressure by France, that selectively applied economic sanctions to Dutch cities supporting the stadtholder in this policy, forced his hand in November 1779

The French-American butthurt is real, aren't they the best ally of each other?

>>1510101
They're very similar in their eternal ungratefulness
It's funny that they hate each others over things that apply to both of them

>>1510101
See >>1510070

>America doesn't know how to have allies, only vassals or enemies.

Ironically if France had fought America at some point, it would probably be portrayed as a super scary badass superpower, like Russia, Germany, and Britain are. But since France was always America's ally, its reward is getting portrayed as useless sniveling cowards forcing America to do all the work instead.

>>1510101
>>1510104
The hate is almost entirely one way. Americans hate the French, the French love Americans. At least those who are blissfully ignorant of what the Americans think and say about France, which thanks to French people lacking English skills is almost all of them.

>>1510096
>No you didn't pay anything
Bullshit. We paid everything until 1787 when we stopped paying accrued interest. We didn't stop paying debts until 1789 because we didn't owe the French revolutionaries dick. Our debt was to His Majesty King Louis.

>that's not at all what happened
That is exactly what happened.

>Of course you don't have any issues with Morocco
Because they aren't petulant pissants.

>This is literally all things that America did to France, not the reverse. Holy shit how delusional are you, this is Soviet tier brainwashing
Irony.

>The debts left over from World War I, whose payment had been suspended since 1931, was renegotiated in the Blum-Byrnes agreement of 1946. The United States forgave all $2.8 billion in debt, and gave France a new loan of $650 million
You refused to pay WWI debts in 1919 and 1931.

>cancelling alliances
You cancelled your alliance with us in 1787, 1919 and 1966. So three times.

>starting a naval war
Already posted evidence of that. We didn't start the Quasi-War, YOU DID.

>spreading anti-American sentiment to try and keep your people from revolting
>However, anti-Americanism came of age in the 1920s, as many French traditionalists were alarmed at the power of Hollywood and warned that America represented modernity, which in turn threatened traditional French values, customs, and popular literature.[28] The alarm of American influence escalated half a century later when Americans opened a $4 billion Disneyland Paris theme park in 1992. It attracted larger crowds than the Louvre, and soon it was said that the iconic American cartoon character Mickey Mouse had become more familiar than Asterix among French youth
Oops. Guess that was y'all.

>>1510098
Cool. That's not what caused the war. You should have kept reading instead of stopping partway through a paragraph.

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>>1510114

>Our debt was to His Majesty King Louis
No you faggot, your debt was to France.

>Because they aren't petulant pissants.
No, it's because Americans couldn't even find Morocco on a map.

>You refused to pay WWI debts in 1919 and 1931.
Renegotiating debt isn't refusing to pay it.

>You cancelled your alliance with us in 1787, 1919 and 1966. So three times.
First two were probably you, 1966 France remained a member of the NATO mutual defence agreement, it just left the organisation of American satellite states.

>YOU DID
I didn't do shit you fat idiot, I'm German. And it wasn't a war, it was France plundering shits trading with its enemy, again completely normal.

>anti-Americanism
Pic related, French "anti-Americanism". In fact French anti-Americanism is just another France-bashing meme made up by butthurt burgers.

>>1510130
>1931
>a renegotiation debt
They halted all payments until the renegotiation which occured in 1946 for fucks sake.

>I'm German
And you know fuck all about what you're talking about.

>it was France plundering shits trading with its enemy
We were trading with France too you stupid fuck.

>Pic related
Ah yes, today is 80 years ago.

>>1509363
>Zhukov maintained that the Red Army, having conducted major offensives in 1944 already, was not really in any position to intervene even if they wanted to.

Which was the bullshit story he had to tell to avoid the gulag.

Stalin knew he would have no control over a non-communist uprising in Warsaw.

He stopped Zhukov so the Nazis could clean up the messy non-communist uprising for him.

Stalin then allowed Zhukov to go in followed by Stalin's hand-picked Polish communists.

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Pic related takes place a decade after France liberated America from Brits
The legendary American gratefulness

>>1510135
It's both hilarious and sad that the French naively think that you butthurt backstabbing idiots are actually their allies and friends. My only hope for them is that it won't last as more French people learn English well enough to see the true face of Americans.

>>1510142
>France fucks off again
Please yes. You can go too, Deutschcuck.

>>1510139
Yeah but see it's France that's ungrateful because it didn't want to abandon its sovereignty and remain occupied by foreign troops after being """""liberated""""".

>>1510139
not really much happened then between the US and France, hence the name the Quasi War

>>1510145
So France refusing to take part in an useless US aggression war on the other side of the world is very ungrateful, but America not only refusing to help France while it fights for survival against half the world but actually siding against them, a decade after being liberated by them, isnt?

>>1510153
>implying Republican France did anything to assist the United States in any way, shape, or form besides attack it on the high seas for daring to trade with countries other than France
Yeah, no.

>>1510154
Yeah, the French king single-handedly helped the 13 colonies
Fuck the taxepayers (still present in Republican France), the soldiers (most of them still in the army after the Revolution) and the generals (same as the soldiers)

>>1509985
Care to emphasis more on this?

>>1510160
>implying governments have duties to citizens of other countries
Yeah, no.

>>1510153
US allegiances were to the former regime (even if it was philosophically aligned with elements of the revolution)

>>1510179
France should have followed the same logic and abandoned all debts to America after Truman left office.

>>1510218
>have allegiance to the French government
>France is an absolute monarchy thus their government is the monarch
>Monarch is violently deposed thus the allegiance is removed
>this is the exact same as allegiance to a government whose head is an elected office
That's a nice strawman you've built there, Oz. You got a cowardly French lion kicking around back there too?

>>1510234
What the fuck are you babbling about?

Anyway you say American debt was owed to king Louis instead of France, so by that the French debt was owed to president Harry instead of America. Simple as that.

>>1510218
>being this retarded

>>1510218
lol retard

>>1510249
You'd be right... if upon the election of Eisenhower a completely new government and successor state was created. Unfortunately, that is not the case. However, that is the case with what happened between Louis and the French Republic. A more apt comparison would be the difference between British Raj and India or the Second Mexican Empire and the Mexican Republic. Our allegiance was to the Kingdom of France. Upon the dissolution of the Kingdom of France, and the removal of King Louis, our allegiance and legal obligations ceased completely.

>>1510234
>>1510258
>>1510262

Nice samefagging lardass.

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>>1510273
>being this assblasted that you're a fucking idiot
>being this wrong

>>1510267
>Unfortunately, that is not the case.
But it was the case. Nobody from Truman's administration carried over into Eisenhower's let alone into Obama's.

>Our allegiance was to the Kingdom of France.
lmao, so now it's "the kingdom of France"? I see you can't make up your mind. But guess what the kingdom of France is. It's France. France just stopped being a kingdom.

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>>1510281
Amazing.

>>1510281
>I can use MS paint

Epic

General Eisenhower also estimated the value of the Résistance to have been equal to ten to fifteen divisions at the time of the landings. (One infantry division comprised about ten thousand soldiers.)[171][172] Eisenhower's statements are all the more credible since he based them on his GHQ's formal analyses and published them only after the war, when propaganda was no longer a motive. Historians still debate how effective the French Résistance was militarily,[173] but the neutralization of the Maquis du Vercors alone involved the commitment of over 10,000 German troops within the theater, with several more thousands held in reserve, as the Allied invasion was advancing from Normandy and French Operation Jedburgh commandos were being dropped nearby to the south to prepare for the Allied landing in Provence.

>>1510284
>legitimate succession is the same as complete dissolution of government, murder of the head of state and government, and the creation of a successor state
Seriously, stop. You're just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

>>1510320
>muh murder
Louis XVI was tried and executed for treason.

>successor state
lmao. Hey Nixon was impeached too, guess America also became a new country after that.

>a political official stepping down at the end of his predetermined time in office is equivalent to a bloody coup that leaves the country in anarchy for a decade or two
This is a fun thread

>>1510333
So now the problem is the bloodiness?

Maybe all debt to America should be cancelled every year on account of the 15 000 yearly gun deaths.

>>1510332
Nixon resigned and gave the office to Ford. We've never had a President removed from office from impeachment. We've never had a President removed from office. You're a historically illiterate moron.

>>1510346
Yeah and Louis XVI abdicated, what's your point?

>Americans supposedly build their country based on democratic principles and legitimacy emanating from the will of the people
>France does the same thing
>lol no we can't pay you back because nations are defined by absolute monarchs not by the will of the people

Americans are nothing but dishonest trash.

>>1510377
American here, I always thought that was a bit low desu

>>1508750
A little high.
About 10x the actual figure.

Many were WWI veterans, most of the rest were "mitschlings". That is, men with a small % of " Jewish blood".

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>>1508326
Typical rightist crap.
Of course, the resistance was small and diffuse.
The communists were better organized.
Most of the maquis were French, not foreigners.
Death rates were high for resistance fighters, especially in the early days.

Watch Jean-Pierre Melville's film "Army of Shadows". It may be fiction, but it feels right.

Also watch "The Sorrow and the Pity" by Marcel Ophuls.